LEGAL NJ Governor Chris Christie signs ban on gay conversion therapy

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by Angela Delli Santi - 1 hour ago


TRENTON, N.J. (AP) — Gov. Chris Christie signed a bill Monday barring licensed therapists from trying to turn gay teenagers straight, making New Jersey the second state to ban so-called conversion therapy, along with California.

The bill passed both houses of the New Jersey Legislature with bipartisan support in June. Assemblyman Tim Eustace, who sponsored the bill and is openly gay, described the therapy as "an insidious form of child abuse."

In a note accompanying the bill, Christie said he believes people are born gay and that homosexuality is not a sin. That view is inconsistent with his Catholic faith, which teaches that homosexual acts are sins.

The Republican governor also said the health risks of trying to change a child's sexual orientation, as identified by the American Psychological Association, outweigh concerns over the government setting limits on parental choice.

"Government should tread carefully into this area," he said in the note, "and I do so here reluctantly."

"However, I also believe that on the issues of medical treatment for children we must look to experts in the field to determine the relative risks and rewards," Christie said, citing a litany of potential ill effects of trying to change sexual orientation, including depression and suicide. "I believe that exposing children to these health risks without clear evidence of benefits that outweigh these serious risks is not appropriate."

Gay rights activists applauded the ban but pushed for more.

"It is our truest hope that the governor will realize, as the majority of the legislature and a super-majority of the pubic have realized, that the best way to ensure lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender youth are protected from the abuse of being ostracized is to provide them with equality," Troy Stevenson, executive director of the state's largest gay rights group, Garden State Equality, said in a statement.

Christie previously vetoed gay marriage legislation. He has said he supports the state's civil union law, which was enacted to give gay couples the benefits of marriage but not the title. Gay couples have since sued, claiming that the law provides unequal treatment to same-sex couples. Their lawyers say the U.S. Supreme Court ruling granting federal benefits to gay married couples strengthens their case in state court, while Christie administration lawyers say the federal government should recognize the state's civil union law as the equivalent to marriage. A trial court decision is expected next month.

Gay rights groups say the practice of conversion therapy is damaging to young people because it tells them that it's not acceptable to be whoever they are.

Some social conservatives framed the debate as a parental rights issue, saying a ban on the counseling would limit the ability of parents to do what they think is best for their children.

The idea of conversion therapy is an old one that has increasingly drawn criticism for its methods. Last year, four gay men sued a Jersey City group for fraud, saying its program included making them strip naked and attack effigies of their mothers with baseball bats.

Lawmakers heard horror stories from some during hearings on the ban, including Brielle Goldani of Toms River, who testified she underwent electric shocks and was given drugs to induce vomiting after being sent to an Ohio camp at age 14 to become straight.

But, they also heard from Tara King, a Brick-based counselor, who said she should be allowed to "fix" what patients, even under-aged clients, want fixed.


http://news.yahoo.com/nj-governor-signs-ban-gay-conversion-therapy-160807763.html
 

summerthyme

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So, did he also allow medical marijuana for the children!? I mean, if he's SO concerned that some queer kids might be traumatized by someone trying to help them, you'd think that allowing medical marijuana so some children don't have to die from status epilepticus would be a no brainer, right?

But I forgot... Christie IS a no brainer. And he may claim to be a Republican, but even with today's stupidly watered down standards, he's a RINO.

Summerthyme
 

My Adonai

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This is an attack on the parents rights over their children, and an attempt by the state for more control. Sad.
 

FarmerJohn

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You can still sign yourself up for conversion therapy in NJ, if you're an adult.

Those courses have generally proven themselves to be a waste of money and necessarily cruel.

Exodus International was a non-profit, interdenominational ex-gay Christian organization that sought to help people who wished to limit their homosexual desires. It was founded in 1976, but ceased activities in June 2013, issuing a statement which repudiated its aims and apologized for the harm their pursuit has caused to LGBT people.

On May 28, 2013, Exodus International withdrew from the Exodus Global Alliance. On June 19, following a unanimous vote at the organization's annual meeting in Irvine, California, the board of directors announced the impending closure of Exodus International. The board explained that the move came "after a year of dialogue and prayer about the organization's place in a changing culture." President Alan Chambers repudiated the organization's mission in a nearly hour-long talk at Exodus International's 38th annual meeting:

I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didn’t change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents.

Chambers stated that his next ministry would be different: "Our goals are to reduce fear and come alongside churches to become safe, welcoming and mutually transforming communities".

Board member Tony Moore issued a statement that clarified that the decision is "not negating the ways God used Exodus to positively affect thousands of people," further explaining that "a new generation of Christians is looking for change—and they want it to be heard."[14] The organization's local affiliates may continue to operate independently under a name other than Exodus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_International
 

PCViking

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BHO has Christie by the short hairs... NJ is so in need of $$help that Christie, would probably do/say anything BHO asks him to...

:vik:
 

Chair Warmer

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Exodus International was a non-profit, interdenominational ex-gay Christian organization that sought to help people who wished to limit their homosexual desires. It was founded in 1976, but ceased activities in June 2013

Exodus International was insignificant at the time this NJ bill was signed.

Also, the 14 year old's experiences from the original article were insignificant to this bill, as her bad experience happened in another state (Ohio) and not in NJ.

The article does not list even one significant reason that gay conversiont therapy should be banned for minors, although here's a very good reason the ban should not have been legislated;

But, they also heard from Tara King, a Brick-based counselor, who said she should be allowed to "fix" what patients, even under-aged clients, want fixed.
 

Chair Warmer

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So, did he also allow medical marijuana for the children!? I mean, if he's SO concerned that some queer kids might be traumatized by someone trying to help them, you'd think that allowing medical marijuana so some children don't have to die from status epilepticus would be a no brainer, right?

But I forgot... Christie IS a no brainer. And he may claim to be a Republican, but even with today's stupidly watered down standards, he's a RINO.

Summerthyme

Some of the bill passed... Here's the update;


This is the third major legislative decision Christie has made in the past few days. He agreed Friday to expand the state’s medical marijuana program, allowing the state’s dispensaries to provide edible marijuana to sick children. He vetoed part of the legislation that would allow children, like adults, to be prescribed marijuana by a doctor registered in the state.

Instead, parents must have a letter of support from a psychiatrist, as well as a pediatrician, and a doctor registered in the program.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...rsion-therapy/

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...istie-to-Sign-Medical-Marijuana-Bill-for-Kids
 

DHR43

Since 2001
"In a note accompanying the bill, Christie said he believes people are born gay and that homosexuality is not a sin. "

Until he's get that opinion corrected, he'll never get it right. Homosexuality IS a sin, and any discussion on the subject has to start there. And end there, for that matter.

One result of seeing homosexuality as the sin that it IS, is that one can then see that the remedy of being a sinner is to be forgiven by God Himself and to have Him then change your nature, thinking and behaviour. It's that simple.

Stop being a sinner, by nature, and one stops sinning, in practice. No need to go through a 're-education'. That's garbage.
 

Beelbill

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In a note accompanying the bill, Christie said he believes people are born gay and that homosexuality is not a sin.

So he is going to impose his religious beliefs on the children against the beliefs of the parents? If he believed that using a computer was a sin, should he be able to ban parents from allowing their children to use a computer? I bet I could find more examples of children being hurt by sexual predators on computers than he can find examples of children being hurt by conversion therapy. This means that preachers can't preach that Homosexuality is a sin because that would be trying to convert the people in the audience.
 

Dennis Olson

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I'm sorry, but sexual orientation is only the business of the teen. I am not a believer in "therapy" to "adjust" sexual orientation, regardless of what that orientation might be.
 

naturallysweet

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I'm sorry, but sexual orientation is only the business of the teen. I am not a believer in "therapy" to "adjust" sexual orientation, regardless of what that orientation might be.

What if the teen wants help to stop being homosexual? The only therapy they can legally get now is to affirm homosexuality, not reject it.

Yes, there are crazy therapists in every field. If none of the conversion therapy worked, then the homosexual crowd wouldn't be so terrified of it.

Some of the programs have a 50% success rate, while drug and mental illness programs would only dream about have a success rate that high.
 

Dennis Olson

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You know, you people need to stop with this "it's a sin" crap. GOD DOES NOT RUN THE UNITED STATES. GOD DOES NOT WRITE OUR LAWS. GOD IS NOT A LEGISLATOR HERE.

Every single time anything about homosexuality comes up, you people jump on the "sin" horse and beat it half to death. Yes, it's a sin. BUT IT'S NOT YOUR SIN. You will not have to answer for the sins of ANYONE ELSE in this world. Get your damn noses out of other peoples' bedrooms and leave them the hell alone.

God will judge them. You don't have that right.


Sorry for the rant, but this really cheeses me off.
 

Terriannie

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While my jury is still out on whether or not one is actually born homosexual or developed that way, the FACT of the matter is, acting upon homosexual sex is a SIN.....period.

If he's a Catholic, then Christie is not only a Cafeteria Catholic but a Cafeteria Republican or Liberal as well. (Depending upon whatever he finds expediant to put on his tray.)
 

Dennis Olson

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Move to Iran then. I'm sure you'll be able to appreciate a government run by religious decree....
 

TheSearcher

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You know, you people need to stop with this "it's a sin" crap. GOD DOES NOT RUN THE UNITED STATES. GOD DOES NOT WRITE OUR LAWS. GOD IS NOT A LEGISLATOR HERE.

You are correct, but looking at it backwards. Christie using his status a government entity to say that if someone wishes to deal with a personal religious issue via therapy, that is now illegal. IOW, he is enforcing an anti-christian worldview via government edict.

Not only is the government of NJ in the bedroom, they've made it a crime to ask for help in rearranging the bedroom.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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No. IN OTHER WORDS, preventing a parent from forcing teens to adhere to their preference for sexual orientation.


ADULTS can decide whether or not they want said therapy. Teens shouldn't have it forced upon them.



ETA: How is this different from "therapy" for,non-Christians to convert their kid back to Christianity, if the parents were Christian and the child had decided on a different religion? Answer that one please...
 

Terriannie

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Move to Iran then. I'm sure you'll be able to appreciate a government run by religious decree....

I don't think I'll take your "advice" Dennis. As a Christian I'd be killed most likely. But take heart. Give this country a little more time. Christian values already been eroded and soon it'll be illegal HERE to have those convictions and subject to not only derision but arrest and who knows......the same outcome Christians get in Iran.
 

Chair Warmer

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What if the teen wants help to stop being homosexual? The only therapy they can legally get now is to affirm homosexuality, not reject it.

That is correct.

This bill took away the rights teens to obtain any therapy in helping them sort out any confusion they may have about their sexuality.

Now all the therapist can legally reply is; "If you're gay - that's ok and I can help you become proud of yourself, but if you're straight - I can't help you."
 

Dennis Olson

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Christian values should never be forced on people by decree. Many of you people believe otherwise. You are wrong.
 

Vtshooter

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I see this law as a way to stop parents from dumping their homosexual children on a therapist, and saying "fix him", because they disagree with their child's orientation. I'd bet that if the child in question wanted to change, they could find someone who would help them. Otherwise, wait until they're 18 and persue it.
 

Chair Warmer

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No. IN OTHER WORDS, preventing a parent from forcing teens to adhere to their preference for sexual orientation.


ADULTS can decide whether or not they want said therapy. Teens shouldn't have it forced upon them.



ETA: How is this different from "therapy" for,non-Christians to convert their kid back to Christianity, if the parents were Christian and the child had decided on a different religion? Answer that one please...

Again, from the article;

But, they also heard from Tara King, a Brick-based counselor, who said she should be allowed to "fix" what patients, even under-aged clients, want fixed.

They are not allowed to give counseling to teens who may be confused about their sexual orientation, even if the teen WANTS counseling.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Now all the therapist can legally reply is; "If you're gay - that's ok and I can help you become proud of yourself, but if you're straight - I can't help you."

This statement is absolute nonsense. You're saying that a straight person might want therapy to become a homosexual? WTH kind of nonsense is that???
 

Dennis Olson

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But, they also heard from Tara King, a Brick-based counselor, who said she should be allowed to "fix" what patients, even under-aged clients, want fixed.


Therapy isn't about "fixing" a person. I've had a lot of therapy over the years because of my oldest, and the requirement that the parents go to family counseling for a disturbed child. Therapy is about UNDERSTANDING one's self, and deciding to change from within, which is where ALL change comes from. Some of you don't understand that, and would evidently strap someone to the rack until they're "fixed."
 

Chair Warmer

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No. IN OTHER WORDS, preventing a parent from forcing teens to adhere to their preference for sexual orientation.


ADULTS can decide whether or not they want said therapy. Teens shouldn't have it forced upon them.



ETA: How is this different from "therapy" for,non-Christians to convert their kid back to Christianity, if the parents were Christian and the child had decided on a different religion? Answer that one please...

A parent has the right to make a minor child go where they want them to go, and do what they want them to do, right or wrong.

That is what has, up until recent times, been a parental right.

When the state starts legislating away parental rights, then the authority figure over the children becomes the state itself.

If people want minors to not have legal guardians to make these decisions about what's in the their best interest, then the state needs to lower the age of majority and give children the status of adulthood, or else the state needs to take over all the other responsibilities in taking care of the child.

Otherwise, the state puts the parents in the position of being nothing more than becoming the state's foster home for the parent's own child, without getting any state support.
 

Chair Warmer

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Now all the therapist can legally reply is; "If you're gay - that's ok and I can help you become proud of yourself, but if you're straight - I can't help you."

This statement is absolute nonsense. You're saying that a straight person might want therapy to become a homosexual? WTH kind of nonsense is that???

I'm saying if a child is confused about their sexual orientation that would be the only legal response a therapist may now have to offer.

If the child turns out to have homosexual tendencies the therapist is now allowed to support that, but if the child also has straight tendencies the counselor can offer no help to support being straight over the homosexual tendencies.
 

Dennis Olson

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A straight child doesn't need support for "straight tendencies". You really do like to stretch a lot of things to the point of absurdity don't you?
 

Chair Warmer

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Therapy isn't about "fixing" a person. I've had a lot of therapy over the years because of my oldest, and the requirement that the parents go to family counseling for a disturbed child. Therapy is about UNDERSTANDING one's self, and deciding to change from within, which is where ALL change comes from. Some of you don't understand that, and would evidently strap someone to the rack until they're "fixed."

Actually, personally I do not believe that forcing a teen to attend any therapy or church is what's best for most teens.

It does the teen no good if they don't want to participate in such activities.

But I also feel parental rights should trump any sentimental wishes such as that.

Every individual, every teen, and every family dynamic situation is different and there is no "one shoe fits all" solution to those various dynamics.

If a parent makes the wrong decisions regarding their child/ren, there will also be natural consequences to follow. It doesn't need to be legislated.
 

Chair Warmer

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There's been a comment recently that most school age kids nowadays are bi-sexual. If that isn't sexually confused, I don't know what is...
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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You view every issue through the prism of your preconceptions. Your worldview tends to be quite narrow because of it.

First of all, one would have to take that report as truth. I don't necessarily believe it. Second, teens are far more likely to want to "experiment", and not just sexually. Teens and young adults are still learning about themselves and their world. As parents, our job is to guide them, and explain to them about society and societal norms. But it's up to them to decide what they want to try for themselves (and again, I'm not just talking about sexual issues.) The experimentation phase passes as they grow older.

We are to GUIDE our children, not FORCE them. Evidently, you don't get that.
 

Chair Warmer

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Dennis Olson said:
We are to GUIDE our children, not FORCE them. Evidently, you don't get that.

Now sure how I'm not getting that;

Chair Warmer said:
(Post #34) Actually, personally I do not believe that forcing a teen to attend any therapy or church is what's best for most teens.

It does the teen no good if they don't want to participate in such activities.

I do appreciate your feedback and explanation as to where you're coming from.

But I feel at this point nomatter what I say, it's going to be misunderstood, criticized, and/or condemned.

It was not my intention to cause any confusion... and I apologize for doing so, as I am not successful at communicating clearly enough to avert these misunderstandings,... so I'll just shut up now.
 

Terriannie

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A parent has every right to do what they think is best for THEIR children and teens ARE still children!! If a teen says they want to have sex with anybody, straight or homo that should be addressed. Church guidelines are a good start but there are other avenues.

Current mindthink for parents now, is to just throw up their hands with any sexual dilemma and say, "Oh well, it is what it is and they're going to do what they're going to do so why bother?" The thing is, not ALL parents think that way. Believe it or not, most feel a responsibility to lovingly protect that child from a lifetime of sorrow and will do whatever they can to prevent it. That is what parents are supposed to do! For a Governor, government, school system or ANY socialworker busybody to take that parental right away from parents is WRONG!!!
 
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