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Not the economy, security,war, jobs, health care! Moral values topped the voters list of importance. What a wake up call this should be to politicians everywhere!
Jaded said:Originally posted by FDrew:
"In fact, he can't legislate anything - that's not his job, he just gets to veto..."
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The American people did not just vote for GW....They voted in enough Republicans to control the Congress. Together they CAN create laws to protect the unborn, define marriage as one man/woman...etc. The question is if those laws would subsequently be declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Depending on how many of those justices leave the bench and are replaced by BUSH APPOINTEES, may indeed sway the High Courts opinions and result in reversals of things such as Roe v Wade (among other things).
What has been done by the liberals CAN be undone by the conservatives. Maybe that is EXACTLY why the MAJORITY of Americans voted Republican.....
Jaded
fruit loop said:....I think the majority of members on this board are Christians. We have atheists, we have pagans, we have agnostics.....but most of us are Christians.
Don't assume that because somebody here doesn't share your politics or your particular beliefs that we aren't Christian. Christians are a contentious bunch and we disagree on a lot of issues.
As a Christian, I find it hilarious when other Christians whine about how discriminated against they are. Yeah, right. We do our own share of discriminating, and although Christian-discrimination does happen, it's EXCEEDINGLY rare.
Or do you just have a persecution complex? Lots of Christians have those too
fairbanksb said:I was speaking to specific comments in the thread. It has already been reported that the election was won because people who were voting on morals and values came out to vote. Now some want to call people hoodwinked as being okay with dropping bombs on people but against two men who want to do it doggie style.
Rob said:You’re missing the point. It’s not morality when you are pro war and anti-abortion regardless of what religion you claim to be. War invariably kills innocent people including pregnant women. It’s called ‘collateral damage’. Bush, Kerry and every other politician knows about it and accepts it when they go into war.
So how do you justify one action as moral and the other as not? You either refuse to accept all killing or none. You can’t say it is acceptable to kill a pregnant woman because of an action you support (war) and then march for anti-abortion. There is no middle road, you can not expect your subjective perceptions of God or morality to be universally accepted. Again, it’s called freedom of religion and you can’t declare your subjective opinion as moral for others unless you are ready to have their subjective opinion establish morality for you.
When we jump up and down about morality then we better be able to defend it universally, your morality is in collision with itself so how do you justify it?
I am not pro war. I did not agree with the attack on Iraq, but we are there and a vote for Kerry wasn't going to change that. In fact Kerry said he would increase the number of troops in Iraq. I am for the war in Afghanistan because they attacked us. So what choices do I have? Kerry all but said he was going to raise my taxes, he flip-flopped on almost every important issue. He voted against almost every defense weapon we have and he basically accomplished nothing during 20 years in the Senate. So I look at values and morals.
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Rob said:You're skirting the issue.
The issue is morality or more accurately ethics. The thread claims that the people voted to reestablish morality. So what is this morality they feel is being established through GWB?
How can you support killing of any kind (Afghanistan) and claim to be moral?
Is killing moral?
What is it to be moral then?
fairbanksb said:Are you a Christian? None of my business but I am.
fruit loop said:People say they're "pro life" and anti-abortion but favor killing in war AND the death penalty?
Not all Christians are against abortion. Some, like me, don't like it but view it as the lesser of two evils, or think it's a matter for individual conscience. Others don't believe it's murder because they think the soul enters the body at birth and until then the fetus is not a separate entity from the mother.
Christians only agree on one thing....God exists.
Trasael Adnepos said:Nonsense, Fruitloop. "Even the demons believe, and they tremble..." Why do you think Rob is so incontrovertibly hostile to The Faith?
Tras
Jaded said:_______________________
"And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling the the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves.
KateCanada said:By the way, not all Christians that claim to be Christain are Christians! People lie! !
Jaded said:Rob:
It seems to me that you are not a student of the Bible/Christian Theology. The last verse I quoted was in response to your suggestion that Christians find another religion.