Government Recommends Food Stockpiles

rafter

Since 1999
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310AP_Bird_Flu_Groceries_Stockpile.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 11:15 a.m. PT

Government recommends food stockpiles

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

The U.S. government is urging Americans to stock up on nonperishable food and other needed items in the event of a bird flu pandemic. Here are some of the items that are recommended:

- canned goods, including meat, fish, fruit, vegetables, beans and soup

- fruit bars or dried fruit

- cereal or granola

- peanut butter or nuts

- crackers

- canned juices

- bottled water

- vitamins

- soap

- toilet paper

- flashlight

- portable radio

- batteries

- manual can opener

Source: U.S. government, http://www.pandemicflu.gov/index.html
 

Hermittao

Inactive
Prepare - Do you Think?

Funny, but this pro-active stance by the government is a bit disconcerting. I suppose I’ve come to expect our leaders to react to a crisis at some point long after it hits, not to prepare in advance for a possible future crisis.

Oh, now I see; they are just telling us the obvious, don’t expect help from the government in the event of an emergency, you are on your own. I feel better; they were just trying to “covering their backside”. There for a second I actually thought someone in the government was actually trying to help.

Unfortunately this message will have very little impact; those who prepare will continue to do so, those who don’t see the need, will not. I see this mindset in my own family. Then again, I suppose it couldn't hurt to say it again: Prepare.

I apologize for being so sarcastic. After working for 35+ years for the feds, including disaster relief assignments… Maybe I just needed to vent.
 

knowzone

Veteran Member
Stock up, so when our hombre amigos, cheech and chong, round up the chattel, they'll have food in the theater.

It's a comin, folks. This nightmare has haunted and driven me since I was a kid, for over 40 years. The visions are starting to show up more frequently on the MSM news.

kz
 

CelticRose

Membership Revoked
As always ...... Will the sheeple listen?

Just a side note ........

Today I noticed that there wasn't a bag of basmati in Sams ....... And the other day, not a single package of ramen, in the local WalMart .........
 

Metolius

Inactive
Is it just me or are there a lot more articles appearing about the need to "stockpile" necessities? Saw another here, about grocery stores, and others as well.

I can't find anything to put my finger on exactly and say "ah ha, THAT is the real concern...". But I just have the sense there is a real concern lately that is giving rise to these prepping type suggestions, esp. coming from MSM.
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
- canned goods, including meat, fish, fruit, vegetables, beans and soup
...
- peanut butter or nuts


The real question is:

If the Sheeple actually started to stock up NOW, how much of their stockpiles would have contaminated food? It seems like more and more items are being found that are contaminated right now. Stocking up a month ago on Peter Pan peanut butter would have been a bad idea. What other russian roulette item could the last minute prepper stock up on nowdays.

Do the preppers get a free "Sucks to be me" T-shirt with every case of baby food, or peanut butter now?

Loup
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
With the "just in time" inventory system (JIT), pandemic flu wouldn't be the only disruption. Imagine what'll happen to trucking, and interstate travel in general, if you start to see truck bombs in the U.S.? How about an outbreak of a real bad disease effecting livestock or crops? How much of a delay in shipping would a full inspection, testing and decon for every vehicle put into travel and transportation? Never mind disruption of rail lines, main utility lines, pipelines, or interstate routes, bridges, tunnels and under/over passes.

Take your pick guys and gals. The senarios are all bad.
 

Splicer205

Deceased
Well don't that just figure. I done went and got the powdered milk and tuna, then they go and add more. And don't even tell us how many cans or packets we'll need. Oh well. Guess I better get a couple cans of soup too. :kaid:
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
Makes you wonder what the **** is going on. Dont worry about the bird flu. three kids die. Now govment says stock up>:ld:
 

Tundra Gypsy

Veteran Member
Gosh, I don't think any one here stockpiles anything or worries about the future because WE KNOW the government will take care of us. :lkick: Well, I guess our government is now telling us to take care of ourselves; its every man for themselves on this train, heading towards a big wreck just down the road! Derailment big time this year!!!!!??? Year of the Boar/Pig could be a disasterous year. Just call me a gloom and doomer....:eek:
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Now that should tell you something.


I have literature published by the local emergency management agency dating back to 1988, and it recommends a manual can opener for the 72 hour kit too.


In fact, I've got lots of literature published by EMA, the Red Cross, and the LDS church from about the mid-1980's to the present, and they ALL say to have a manual can opener.


Nothing new in that recommendation.


Now, the recommendation to stockpile more than a mere 3 days of food and water -- now that is a new (but welcomed) recommendation....
 

Barry Natchitoches

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well don't that just figure. I done went and got the powdered milk and tuna, then they go and add more. And don't even tell us how many cans or packets we'll need. Oh well. Guess I better get a couple cans of soup too. :kaid:


Yeah, but how are you on duct tape and plastic sheeting?????


:p :p
 

OldMan

Candy’s dandy, but a back rub is quicker.
- crackers

I have had poor results "stockpiling" crackers. By this I am talking about saltine crackers. No matter how I pack them, they always seem to go stale in about 2 months or so. Has anybody been able to pack them so they taste good 6 months later?

:ld: OldMan :ld:
 

Simple Man

Inactive
- crackers

I have had poor results "stockpiling" crackers. By this I am talking about saltine crackers. No matter how I pack them, they always seem to go stale in about 2 months or so. Has anybody been able to pack them so they taste good 6 months later?

:ld: OldMan :ld:

I've had the same problem OldMan... to the point I've given up on the idea of storing crackers.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
_______________
Crackers don't store well. The only reason I can think they're on the list is that they DO store better than bread!

However, you can freshen up stale saltines considerably by spreading them on cookies sheets and sticking them in a 350 degree oven for a couple minutes.

Summerthyme
 

LeafyForest

Veteran Member
Have had trouble with crackers going stale also - and I vacuumed packed them. Think I will try the oven thing and see if that works - thanks for the tip!!
 

Monty

Veteran Member
Several other bird flu articles from the Seattle paper

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_bird_flu_groceries_critical_sectors.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 11:17 a.m. PT

Sectors to stay open in pandemic

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

The U.S. government has identified 13 sectors and four resources that must remain operational during a bird flu pandemic. They are:

Critical infrastructure

- food and agriculture

- national monuments and icons

- banking and finance

- chemical and hazardous materials

- defense industrial base

- water

- public health and health care

- energy

- emergency services

- information technology

- telecommunications

- postal and shipping

- transportation

Key resources

- government facilities

- dams

- commercial facilities

- nuclear power plants

Source: U.S. Department of Homeland Security

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/1500ap_russia_bird_flu.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 1:38 p.m. PT

Dead poultry traced to Russian market

By MIKE ECKEL
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
photo
A local resident stands in front of a house, background right, where bird flu killed some domestic birds, in the village of Pavlovskoye, some 20 km (12 miles) south of Moscow, Saturday, Feb. 17, 2007. Birds near Moscow were killed by avian flu and authorities are checking whether the cause of death was the H5N1 strain, which can kill people, an official said Friday. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

MOSCOW -- Russian officials traced dead poultry in several suburban Moscow districts to a single market Sunday as experts reported new outbreaks and tightened quarantines following confirmation of the presence of the H5N1 bird flu strain.

The presence of H5N1, confirmed by tests late Saturday, was the first such outbreak to be recorded so close to the Russian capital.

Authorities traced the birds that died in four separate incidences to a market located just outside the Moscow city limits, said Alexei Alexeyenko, spokesman for the federal agricultural oversight agency Rosselkhoznadzor.

The market was closed Saturday and experts were trying to determine the original source for the birds on sale there, he said.

On Saturday, Alexeyenko said tests had confirmed the H5N1 strain in some of the two dozen birds found dead in two suburban Moscow districts. Results of tests taken in a third district where nearly four dozen birds died were still pending, he said.

The Moscow region's chief veterinarian, Olga Gavrilenko, told Ekho Moskvy radio on Sunday that dead birds had also been reported in a forth district, north of the city.

Russian news agencies also reported a fifth incident of dead birds southwest of the capital, but Alexeyenko said it was too early to tell whether bird flu was to blame.

Officials said several people who were in close contact the dead poultry were taken to hospitals for observation, but no health problems had been reported.

Russian television broadcast footage showing veterinary workers clad in protective suits checking homes and spraying vehicle tires with disinfectant, while police began enforcing a quarantine in an effort to prevent the virus' spread.

Nikolai Vlasov, a senior Rosselkhoznadzor veterinary official, warned that more outbreaks were possible.

"If traces of the virus appear at the poultry market, we cannot exclude the possibility that there will be new outbreaks. But there should be no panic because conditions in Russia, especially in the winter, mean that there is not even any theoretical possibility of human infection," Vlasov said in televised comments.

No human cases of bird flu have been reported in Russia, which had its first reported cases of the H5N1 strain in birds in Siberia in 2005. Outbreaks have since occurred farther west, but mostly in southern areas distant from the capital.

Since it began ravaging Asian poultry farms in late 2003, the H5N1 strain has killed at least 167 people worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

Though it remains difficult for humans to catch, health authorities across the globe are monitoring the H5N1 strain out of concern it could mutate into a form that easily spreads from person to person and spark a pandemic.

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_bird_flu_groceries.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 9:07 p.m. PT

Grocery industry prepares for bird flu

By TIMBERLY ROSS
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
photo
Customers wait for vendors to help them Friday, Feb. 16, 2007, at a poultry market in Bangkok, Thailand's Chinatown. Recent reports by U. N. officials are warning about possible outbreaks of bird flu during the Chinese New Year celebrations. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)

OMAHA, Neb. -- Stocking up on food is as simple as a trip to the grocery store, a veritable land of plenty for Americans. But will fresh fruits and vegetables, meat, bread, milk and other household staples still be available if the U.S. is hit with an anticipated bird flu pandemic? If state and federal officials urge people to stay away from public places, like restaurants and fast-food establishments, will they be able to get the groceries they need to prepare food in their homes?

For Becky Jones of Omaha, who stocks up once a week for her family of three, the prospect of not having access to food is frightening. She said most people, herself included, only have food on hand for three or four days.

Unlike other critical infrastructure sectors like water, energy and health care, the food industry isn't getting much help from state and federal governments when it comes to disaster planning. That puts the burden on individual supermarket chains and wholesalers to deal with a potentially large number of sick workers that could affect store operations and disrupt the food supply.

"The industry is actively thinking through contingency plans, so if it should happen, our members would be well prepared to deal with it," said Tim Hammonds, president of the Food Marketing Institute, an advocate for grocery wholesalers and retail supermarkets nationwide.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates a third of the population could fall ill if the H5N1 strain of the bird flu mutates into a form that spreads easily from person to person. It's not clear if that will ever happen and no human cases of bird flu have ever been traced to eating properly cooked poultry or eggs.

But if a pandemic emerges, the Department of Homeland Security projects worker absenteeism to reach 40 percent or more over a prolonged period. Hammonds said retail food stores would have to contend with worker shortages and disruptions in the supply chain.

The food and agriculture industry is listed among 13 critical-infrastructure sectors that the Department of Homeland Security says must remain functional during a pandemic.

"Having those critical facilities open - like power, water, food - becomes very important" during a national disaster such as a pandemic, said Keith Hanson, an outreach coordinator for Nebraska's Center for Biopreparedness Education.

Hanson works with local businesses, helping test their preparedness plans. He will speak about the importance of that testing at the Public Health Preparedness Summit in Washington, an annual conference designed to help public health workers prepare for emergencies. This year's meeting started Friday and ends Feb. 23.

Hanson said continued operations of power and water utilities are of the utmost importance, but grocery stores rank highly too. That's because people today keep less food on hand, opting instead to make weekly trips to the grocery store.

Americans are also dining out more than they have in the past. Money spent on food prepared outside the home rose from 34 percent of total food costs in 1974 to about 50 percent in 2004, according to a report by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The Food Marketing Institute's Hammonds said a widespread pandemic will likely cause food consumption to shift away from restaurants and fast-food establishments and toward in-home eating, causing a greater demand for groceries.

"That means stores would need to be prepared for an increase in volume," he said.

Hy-Vee, a West Des Moines, Iowa-based supermarket chain that operates more than 200 stores in the Midwest, does not have a disaster plan developed in the event of avian flu. But company spokeswoman Chris Friesleben said the company keeps abreast of the illness through the Food Marketing Institute.

"The food supply is essential to the well-being of the community," said Hammonds. "We've been through a lot about what we need to do as a supermarket."

That includes urging wholesalers and retailers to talk with their suppliers about alternative sources for their products and to anticipate what products will be in high demand in a pandemic situation, such as medicines and food staples.

Stephanie Childs, a spokeswoman for Omaha-based ConAgra Foods Inc., said a company task force was formed more than a year ago to develop an operating plan in the event of a national disaster. The plan specifically addresses bird flu, examines areas that could be affected and how the company could respond, she said.

ConAgra is one of the nation's largest food companies, with brand names that include ACT II popcorn, Banquet, Chef Boyardee, Marie Callender's, Egg Beaters and Orville Redenbacher's.

The company employs about 27,000 people, but Homeland Security projections indicate that number could fall to 16,200 during a pandemic.

Childs said such worker shortages and difficulties with suppliers getting their products to ConAgra plants were among the potential problems the company identified. She did not disclose how the company would address those issues.

The federal government and public health agencies are urging people to stock up on nonperishable food, like canned goods and dried fruit, to ensure they have to food to eat during a pandemic.

Jones, the Omaha woman, said that's a proactive approach, but was worried that people with limited incomes may not be able to afford a large stockpile of food.

She stopped short of calling for the government to oversee the food industry's pandemic planning, but said, "If they see a crisis that is on the horizon, they do have to give us some type of warning."

---

On the Net:

Food Marketing Institute: http://www.fmi.org/foodsafety/avian-flu.htm

Center for Biopreparedness Education: http://www.bioprepare.org/

Pandemic flu information from the U.S. government: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

Monty
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
wow, I just finished some Saltines and Ritz that were about 2 years old, they were fine. In original packages. Helps to be in dry Az, I'm sure....
 

OldMan

Candy’s dandy, but a back rub is quicker.
OldMan -- did you try to vacuum packing them?


Miracle,

No, I haven't thought of that! Have you had good luck with that?



However, you can freshen up stale saltines considerably by spreading them on cookies sheets and sticking them in a 350 degree oven for a couple minutes.

Summerthyme,

That's a good idea! I have somewhat stale saltines now....I'll give it a try this afternoon.


Thanks for the suggestions,

:ld: OldMan :ld:
 

rafter

Since 1999
Several other bird flu articles from the Seattle paper

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_bird_flu_groceries_critical_sectors.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 11:17 a.m. PT

Sectors to stay open in pandemic

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

The U.S. government has identified 13 sectors and four resources that must remain operational during a bird flu pandemic. They are:

Critical infrastructure

- food and agriculture

- national monuments and icons

- banking and finance

- chemical and hazardous materials

- defense industrial base

- water

- public health and health care

- energy

- emergency services

- information technology

- telecommunications

- postal and shipping

- transportation

Key resources

- government facilities

- dams

- commercial facilities

- nuclear power plants

Source: U.S. Department of Homeland Security

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/health/1500ap_russia_bird_flu.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 1:38 p.m. PT

Dead poultry traced to Russian market

By MIKE ECKEL
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
photo
A local resident stands in front of a house, background right, where bird flu killed some domestic birds, in the village of Pavlovskoye, some 20 km (12 miles) south of Moscow, Saturday, Feb. 17, 2007. Birds near Moscow were killed by avian flu and authorities are checking whether the cause of death was the H5N1 strain, which can kill people, an official said Friday. (AP Photo/Ivan Sekretarev)

MOSCOW -- Russian officials traced dead poultry in several suburban Moscow districts to a single market Sunday as experts reported new outbreaks and tightened quarantines following confirmation of the presence of the H5N1 bird flu strain.

The presence of H5N1, confirmed by tests late Saturday, was the first such outbreak to be recorded so close to the Russian capital.

Authorities traced the birds that died in four separate incidences to a market located just outside the Moscow city limits, said Alexei Alexeyenko, spokesman for the federal agricultural oversight agency Rosselkhoznadzor.

The market was closed Saturday and experts were trying to determine the original source for the birds on sale there, he said.

On Saturday, Alexeyenko said tests had confirmed the H5N1 strain in some of the two dozen birds found dead in two suburban Moscow districts. Results of tests taken in a third district where nearly four dozen birds died were still pending, he said.

The Moscow region's chief veterinarian, Olga Gavrilenko, told Ekho Moskvy radio on Sunday that dead birds had also been reported in a forth district, north of the city.

Russian news agencies also reported a fifth incident of dead birds southwest of the capital, but Alexeyenko said it was too early to tell whether bird flu was to blame.

Officials said several people who were in close contact the dead poultry were taken to hospitals for observation, but no health problems had been reported.

Russian television broadcast footage showing veterinary workers clad in protective suits checking homes and spraying vehicle tires with disinfectant, while police began enforcing a quarantine in an effort to prevent the virus' spread.

Nikolai Vlasov, a senior Rosselkhoznadzor veterinary official, warned that more outbreaks were possible.

"If traces of the virus appear at the poultry market, we cannot exclude the possibility that there will be new outbreaks. But there should be no panic because conditions in Russia, especially in the winter, mean that there is not even any theoretical possibility of human infection," Vlasov said in televised comments.

No human cases of bird flu have been reported in Russia, which had its first reported cases of the H5N1 strain in birds in Siberia in 2005. Outbreaks have since occurred farther west, but mostly in southern areas distant from the capital.

Since it began ravaging Asian poultry farms in late 2003, the H5N1 strain has killed at least 167 people worldwide, according to the World Health Organization.

Though it remains difficult for humans to catch, health authorities across the globe are monitoring the H5N1 strain out of concern it could mutate into a form that easily spreads from person to person and spark a pandemic.

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_bird_flu_groceries.html

Sunday, February 18, 2007 · Last updated 9:07 p.m. PT

Grocery industry prepares for bird flu

By TIMBERLY ROSS
ASSOCIATED PRESS WRITER
photo
Customers wait for vendors to help them Friday, Feb. 16, 2007, at a poultry market in Bangkok, Thailand's Chinatown. Recent reports by U. N. officials are warning about possible outbreaks of bird flu during the Chinese New Year celebrations. (AP Photo/Sakchai Lalit)

OMAHA, Neb. -- Stocking up on food is as simple as a trip to the grocery store, a veritable land of plenty for Americans. But will fresh fruits and vegetables, meat, bread, milk and other household staples still be available if the U.S. is hit with an anticipated bird flu pandemic? If state and federal officials urge people to stay away from public places, like restaurants and fast-food establishments, will they be able to get the groceries they need to prepare food in their homes?

For Becky Jones of Omaha, who stocks up once a week for her family of three, the prospect of not having access to food is frightening. She said most people, herself included, only have food on hand for three or four days.

Unlike other critical infrastructure sectors like water, energy and health care, the food industry isn't getting much help from state and federal governments when it comes to disaster planning. That puts the burden on individual supermarket chains and wholesalers to deal with a potentially large number of sick workers that could affect store operations and disrupt the food supply.

"The industry is actively thinking through contingency plans, so if it should happen, our members would be well prepared to deal with it," said Tim Hammonds, president of the Food Marketing Institute, an advocate for grocery wholesalers and retail supermarkets nationwide.

The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimates a third of the population could fall ill if the H5N1 strain of the bird flu mutates into a form that spreads easily from person to person. It's not clear if that will ever happen and no human cases of bird flu have ever been traced to eating properly cooked poultry or eggs.

But if a pandemic emerges, the Department of Homeland Security projects worker absenteeism to reach 40 percent or more over a prolonged period. Hammonds said retail food stores would have to contend with worker shortages and disruptions in the supply chain.

The food and agriculture industry is listed among 13 critical-infrastructure sectors that the Department of Homeland Security says must remain functional during a pandemic.

"Having those critical facilities open - like power, water, food - becomes very important" during a national disaster such as a pandemic, said Keith Hanson, an outreach coordinator for Nebraska's Center for Biopreparedness Education.

Hanson works with local businesses, helping test their preparedness plans. He will speak about the importance of that testing at the Public Health Preparedness Summit in Washington, an annual conference designed to help public health workers prepare for emergencies. This year's meeting started Friday and ends Feb. 23.

Hanson said continued operations of power and water utilities are of the utmost importance, but grocery stores rank highly too. That's because people today keep less food on hand, opting instead to make weekly trips to the grocery store.

Americans are also dining out more than they have in the past. Money spent on food prepared outside the home rose from 34 percent of total food costs in 1974 to about 50 percent in 2004, according to a report by the U.S. Department of Agriculture.

The Food Marketing Institute's Hammonds said a widespread pandemic will likely cause food consumption to shift away from restaurants and fast-food establishments and toward in-home eating, causing a greater demand for groceries.

"That means stores would need to be prepared for an increase in volume," he said.

Hy-Vee, a West Des Moines, Iowa-based supermarket chain that operates more than 200 stores in the Midwest, does not have a disaster plan developed in the event of avian flu. But company spokeswoman Chris Friesleben said the company keeps abreast of the illness through the Food Marketing Institute.

"The food supply is essential to the well-being of the community," said Hammonds. "We've been through a lot about what we need to do as a supermarket."

That includes urging wholesalers and retailers to talk with their suppliers about alternative sources for their products and to anticipate what products will be in high demand in a pandemic situation, such as medicines and food staples.

Stephanie Childs, a spokeswoman for Omaha-based ConAgra Foods Inc., said a company task force was formed more than a year ago to develop an operating plan in the event of a national disaster. The plan specifically addresses bird flu, examines areas that could be affected and how the company could respond, she said.

ConAgra is one of the nation's largest food companies, with brand names that include ACT II popcorn, Banquet, Chef Boyardee, Marie Callender's, Egg Beaters and Orville Redenbacher's.

The company employs about 27,000 people, but Homeland Security projections indicate that number could fall to 16,200 during a pandemic.

Childs said such worker shortages and difficulties with suppliers getting their products to ConAgra plants were among the potential problems the company identified. She did not disclose how the company would address those issues.

The federal government and public health agencies are urging people to stock up on nonperishable food, like canned goods and dried fruit, to ensure they have to food to eat during a pandemic.

Jones, the Omaha woman, said that's a proactive approach, but was worried that people with limited incomes may not be able to afford a large stockpile of food.

She stopped short of calling for the government to oversee the food industry's pandemic planning, but said, "If they see a crisis that is on the horizon, they do have to give us some type of warning."

---

On the Net:

Food Marketing Institute: http://www.fmi.org/foodsafety/avian-flu.htm

Center for Biopreparedness Education: http://www.bioprepare.org/

Pandemic flu information from the U.S. government: http://www.pandemicflu.gov/

Monty


Why do national monuments have to remain open?
 

Lindy

Veteran Member
Yesterday I turned on cartoons for my little nephew; "Safety Patrol" I believe it was & it blew me away when they were giving instructiond on stocking up on emergency items & even instructed the little ones " how to "prepare their own personal BOB. hmm
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's not about bird flu. That is just a cover, imo. This is just a sugar coated way of getting people ready for when TSHTF:shkr:
 

Maher

Inactive
And, make sure you have heavy plastic sheeting and duct tape. You'll need it to wrap all the dead bodies of your friends and loved ones.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"...Why do national monuments have to remain open?.."

Uh...guarded? Icons, it mentions, the kind some dumbsh*t might burn down just for the Hell of it? You know, those kind?

Lots of good stuff in some of those places, antiques etc.

I would expect a guard to be around.
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
Yeah I wonder how many sheeple WILL prepare even when the govt tells them to.

A story about manual can openers.. :)

Back when I lived in California, we had a power outage for a good 9 hours, downstairs neighbor had canned food but NO WAY to open it.. I lent her one of my can openers (I probably have about 10 stored away cus things break.. lol) but she never even thought about needing a manual can opener in an emergency.
 

rafter

Since 1999
"...Why do national monuments have to remain open?.."

Uh...guarded? Icons, it mentions, the kind some dumbsh*t might burn down just for the Hell of it? You know, those kind?

Lots of good stuff in some of those places, antiques etc.

I would expect a guard to be around.

Guarded and open are two different things. After 9/11 they closed them down for a few days IIRC. Takes less people to guard. I think the wording is wrong.
 

Miracle

Senior Member
OldMan --

Vacuum packed some for a couple years because I misplaced them and they were fine--just broken from the vacuum packing. (which is how I like them anyway)

I like the tip on putting them in the oven to freshen them up though -- saltines play an important role in the foods that I like.

m
 

CaraMeia

Inactive
I saw a billboard a few days ago....which stated "Is your family ready for an emergency? Have a Plan" And it was from the fed. govt.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
It's not about bird flu. That is just a cover, imo. This is just a sugar coated way of getting people ready for when TSHTF:shkr:

Wow, I don't know what your prepping for but it's got to be planatary destruction!

If bird flu goes worst case pandemic, they are talking about tens of millions killed here in the US alone......and hundreds of millions killed world wide!

or didn't you think this was serious?

Regardless, if you have the preps for any type of event you have a good core to build on for other events!
 

Micah68

Inactive
I wonder how they intend to enforce this:

"The U.S. government has identified 13 sectors and four resources that must remain operational during a bird flu pandemic. They are:

Critical infrastructure

- food and agriculture"

The rest of the stuff they pretty much already control, but as far as I know they don't control the farmers.......yet
 
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