GOV/MIL Get Ready To Be Hammered By Property Taxes

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It's not just record capital gains taxes that Americans have to look forward to if they choose "4 more years, pause" of the senile occupant in the White House: As Epoch Times' Jeffrey Tucker reports, property taxes are also about to soar.

Below we excerpt from his latest report on where the Biden tax tsunami sill strike next:



Get Ready to Be Hammered by Property Taxes

There have been very few points of financial solace in the past few years apart from rising financial markets. Part of that has been an incredible increase in home valuations. This comes from inflation, yes, but also from shifts in supply and demand for home purchases. Demand is as it always was but realizing it is another matter.

The problem is on the supply side. In most places around the country, homes are not going on the market at the same and predictable pace they once were. This is for reasons of soaring costs of new mortgages. Many homeowners purchased back when interest rates were absurdly low and negative in real terms, perhaps 2 or 3 percent.

Selling now means paying huge capital gains taxes and then applying for a new mortgage at 7.5 percent. The implications of that seemingly small change are actually gigantic, and making it work without paying drastically more in monthly bills means moving to a cheaper area of the country or downsizing the quality and size of the home.

Rather than make that choice, many homeowners are stuck living right where they are even if they would prefer some other job or home elsewhere. They are frozen in place but, hey, at least these people have homes that they own, right?

Not only that but the valuation that you see on Zillow is going up and up. Yay!

Not so fast. In the United States, you pay property taxes on your home. This reality gives rise to the perennial question: do you really own your home if maintaining that title requires paying huge property taxes on the place annually? If you don’t pay, the house is taken over by the state, period. It feels a bit like renting doesn’t it? Indeed, the difference between renting and owning can get a bit blurry.

Property taxes are the way schools are funded in the United States generally speaking and with some exceptions. Taxes are organized according to school districts, the lines of which are extremely strict. The identical home one street from the next can have a big difference in price based entirely on market perceptions of quality of the schools in the relevant district.

This is a major reason why “school choice,” whereby anyone from any district can attend any other, has never made much progress politically in the United States. It means a tremendous scrambling of ownership valuations. No one wants that.

You pay these taxes whether you use the schools or not and whether or not you even have children at all. That’s what makes them public schools. The public shares in the expense but the reality is that it is not the public but just property owners from one district to another, with subsidies added by state governments and the federal government, plus “booster” organizations formed by parents.

If you are living in a district and stuck in a home because you cannot move due to expense, you are still stuck paying taxes regardless. These are assessed annually based not on the price at which you purchased the home but on the value of the home at present market value. That doesn’t seem fair either. Why should you continue to have to pay more and more in taxes based on valuation that you are not actually seeing in any kind of profit?

You are a sitting duck, forced to cough up whatever the assessors and tax collectors decide you have to pay.

This year alone, we are seeing huge increases in market valuations that are reflected in taxes you have to pay whether you use public schools or not. The taxes on many mid-sized homes in Texas, for example, are going up thousands of dollars right now. The fear in Georgia is so large that some activists have put on the ballot an initiative to cap property taxes to insulate them from market pressures.

Adding to the frustration here is the terrible reality of school closures from 2020–2022. Even if you wanted to use the schools, you could not because the authorities said that there were viruses in the schools that the children would spread and bring home. There was never any evidence at all that schools were uniquely guilty of viral spread but the perception was used as the excuse to force everyone into Zoom school, which taught the kids nothing.

We are now faced with years of learning loss that keeps getting worse, not to mention soaring absenteeism. The routines of an entire generation were disrupted and not returned to normal.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Haha. Yeah. I'm waiting for the county to lower the boom even further. One of the places kitty-corner to me - he's been holding onto the whole 200 acre farm for the past 40 years, but last fall, something moved him to put up two 40's of raw land for sale (some field, some woodland and swamp). Stupid money was asked and stupid money was paid. I'm not sure what's going in there - could be single family housing with our township's ten acre minimum lot size. Could be an expansion of the damned gravel pit! (Beep, beep, beep all day.) :lol:

Anyway, we are all gonna feel it in the pocket because this guy cashed out. Land valuations for any of us who are still hanging onto a decent chunk are going to explode.
 
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tech

Veteran Member
Haha. Yeah. I'm waiting for the county to lower the boom even further. One of the places kitty-corner to me - he's been holding onto the whole 200 acre farm for the past 40 years, but last fall, something moved him to put up two 40's of raw land for sale (some field, some woodland and swamp). Stupid money was asked and stupid money was paid. I'm not sure what's going in there - could be single family housing with our township's ten acre minimum lot size. Could be an expansion of the damned gravel pit! (Beep, beep, beep all day.) :lol:

Anyway, we are all gonna feel it in the pocket because this guy cashed out. Land valuations for any of us who are still hanging onto a decent chunk are going to explode.
And there is the rub - it's none of your business even if it affects you. Otherwise, you're one of the HOA Karens.

Yeah, I'm not happy about the sell-outs around me, either...but I knew what could potentially happen. :)

So far, property tax still sits at $37/yr.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
And there is the rub - it's none of your business even if it affects you. Otherwise, you're one of the HOA Karens.

Yeah, I'm not happy about the sell-outs around me, either...but I knew what could potentially happen. :)

So far, property tax still sits at $37/yr.
It only affects me with the possible increase of noise and traffic, and the extra "probably" $500 bucks my property taxes will go up next year.

If I was a "Karen" I'd know what was going on over there.
And I don't.
Because I know it's none of my business.

And if the neighbor has put another half-million in his retirement account from that sale, well, good on him.
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
They did a weird thing here once. They actually lowered the taxes for a time until the market started going back up again. they reassess every 3 years here.

Another advantage here is if you can argue the figures they come up with sometimes they will lower it. But year the school milage tax is annoying was all get out.

Again this is semi rural Arkansas. You can also still get a homestead exemption on your primary residence (only) of $600 exemption a year. Wonder how long before the Fed makes that go away too.

For example on a 131,000 ( per Zillow) house in town the property tax with the exemption is only $462 a year. County slightly less.


edited to add: The assessed value of the above property was 68,000 last time they did it.
 

Milkweed Host

Veteran Member
Property (homes) assessed values went up about 23% recently.

In Iowa, on the sale of a home, the capital gain is currently taxed on
the gain over 250,000/single or 500,000 married.

Locally the county and city LEO's have received huge pay raises.
They drive the latest vehicles. Locally the city PD has increased the number
of officers by 20%, their budget has doubled in the last 15 years,
population has remained the same and I still don't know what the do???
The current police chief is extremely morbidly obese, like 300 pounds over weight.
When I worked with him, he watched YT videos, play video games and ate.
Every time his tried to handle a complaint/call, he would screw it up so badly
another officer would have to step in and take over. Now he's the chief who can blow smoke
up the ass of anyone a mile away. Lots of people fall for the crap.
Anyway, these morbidly obese employees are expensive to maintain.

The city has traffic cameras all over the place but I rarely see a squad car out on patrol.

In the county I worked at in MN, the social services budget was larger that the county
highway department budget. Keep in mind that this included the cost of replacing
very expensive road bridges in the county.

I'm guessing that governments are looking at increased income to pay for the
illegal (unlawful) immigrants moving in?????

The governments way of fixing everything is with increased taxes on the working group.
 
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Gizmom

Contributing Member
We got hit with this last year. Our town did a revaluation of the property. The assessed value went up. Budget time came around and they then increased the mil rate. Taxes went up by 12%. And on top of that, the homeowners insurance went up because the insurance company increased the value of the property.

We are also feeling the impact on the taxes and insurance we pay on our cars as well. We used to see the price of collision coverage decrease every year as the cars got older. The rates have gone up for the past two years in a row. We have not made any claims. I spoke with the insurance company and they said the value of used cars is going up, so the insurance rates are going up as well.
 

Secamp32

Veteran Member
Property taxes are not tied directly to the house assessment or value. The total tax required is determined by the local government and divided among the properties based on the assessed value. If your assessment goes up and everyone else’s stays the same then your taxes go up. If everyone’s assessment goes up equally then your taxes go up the same amount they would have without the increased assessment. If your assessment goes up a higher percentage then your neighbors then your taxes go up.
We got screwed here because they tax private houses at a higher rate than condos so expensive condos have lower taxes than cheaper houses.
 

Jackpine Savage

Veteran Member
Property taxes are not tied directly to the house assessment or value. The total tax required is determined by the local government and divided among the properties based on the assessed value. If your assessment goes up and everyone else’s stays the same then your taxes go up. If everyone’s assessment goes up equally then your taxes go up the same amount they would have without the increased assessment. If your assessment goes up a higher percentage then your neighbors then your taxes go up.
We got screwed here because they tax private houses at a higher rate than condos so expensive condos have lower taxes than cheaper houses.

This. Many people don't understand how it works. Each level of government (township, city, county) passes their budget. Then those amounts are added up and spread across the property owners based on value and classification (ag, residential, commercial, seasonal, etc). At least that's how it works here in MN.
 

Iowa Wiley

Contributing Member
In Iowa just north of Counciltucky, our valuation increased over $100k back around 2016 and then increased another $100k in 2022. All with no improvements on the property in that time. And of course the taxes up right along with it. Now we are getting a tax rate increase this year to pay extra for county and school employee insurance rates and new school sports stadium improvements. Yes, you read that right, an inside sports arena for a 2000 person town that has been losing student population for the last 10 years. Town next to us where my kids went to school put an outdoor sports complex up a half dozen years ago and the same size town and declining student population. All these county and school districts have had huge windfalls in the last 10 years with the increased valuations and have spent every dime of it and want even more. You want to know how they get you out of your house and you'll own nothing and eat ze bugs? They are going to tax you out of it.
 

bassaholic

Veteran Member
High inflation, high interest rates, high property values, high insurance (*or no insurance available) and high property taxes will be the nail in the coffin for homeownership.

I'm sure they know this and understand that it's all part of the we will own nothing and be happy puzzle.

* I say no insurance available because many insurance companies no longer service California (not sure on other states) for home insurance. Broker told me several more may leave. So there may be a point where you are not even able to get home insurance anymore. For other reasons as well.
 

The Cub

Behold, I am coming soon.

Allodial title​


Allodial title constitutes ownership of real property (land, buildings, and fixtures) that is independent of any superior landlord. Allodial title is related to the concept of land held "in allodium", or land ownership by occupancy and defense of the land.

Most property ownership in common law jurisdictions is fee simple. In the United States, the land is subject to eminent domain by federal, state and local government, and subject to the imposition of taxes by state and/or local governments, and there is thus no true allodial land. Land is "held of the Crown" in England and Wales and other jurisdictions in the Commonwealth realms. Some land in the Orkney and Shetland Islands, known as udal land, is held in a manner akin to allodial land in that these titles are not subject to the ultimate ownership of the Crown. ..."

 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And there is the rub - it's none of your business even if it affects you. Otherwise, you're one of the HOA Karens.

Yeah, I'm not happy about the sell-outs around me, either...but I knew what could potentially happen. :)

So far, property tax still sits at $37/yr.
As soon as I saw that $37, I knew you were in LA. Checked your avatar and I was right! We used to live in LA and loved the property taxes there.
 

bev

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Housing prices would go down if the illegals left. With the millions of illegals pouring over the border, they have to live somwhere.
I was watching someone on YouTube yesterday, and they said there are roughly 12 million homes right now in the US that are occupied by squatters!

A couple weeks ago, I read that there were 1,200 just in the Atlanta area.

Maybe a number of these are illegals.
 

Texican

Live Free & Die Free.... God Freedom Country....
My mother's place in the Dallas Burbs:
Home Insurance: $1,640 2022
$3,710 2023
$3,930 2024 Best cost that I could attain using my existing policy in Oklahoma. Same increase due to the rise of housing cost in Dallas and Texas.
Property Tax: $2,040 2022
$2,900 2023
$2,100 2024 Protested the valuation. The county appraisals districts use fair market value due to the rise of housing cost in Dallas and Texas.

Our insurance on our home and two vehicles in Oklahoma is $800 less than the cost for home insurance in Dallas.

Our property tax in Oklahoma was $540 paid in December.

Fight your property values.

Texican....
 

etdeb

Veteran Member
In a battle right now with property tax office.
I have family property that has been agricultural for 100 yrs i had 53 acres surveyed out and deeded to daughter. Tax appraisal district now denies agricultural because it has volunteer scrub pine trees from all the years where a few pines dropping seeds and spread by rainwater. They say she has to hire a timber management firm to get appraisal of the timber. And they have a list of approved companies that are they only ones that can be used.
She will not never cut the trees because its a protected area for cows in stormy weather.
 
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mikeabn

Finally not a lurker!
I moved from Long Island ($13,000 property taxes) to Southern NJ (about $5,500 taxes, but you pay your own garbage [now a disaster in this town] and sewer). So I guess it is relative. I could never afford to live on LI. Still, thank God for the Commissary, PX, and ESPECIALLY the Class VI (alcohol). A lot less expensive. Still I can't wait to move South.

BTW 'hammered' is not the word I'd choose.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Someone should tell the fellows dressed up and executed the event that night in Boston.

Bet they’d be sympathetic.

Box of tissues, anyone ?

:popcorn3:
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
This. Many people don't understand how it works. Each level of government (township, city, county) passes their budget. Then those amounts are added up and spread across the property owners based on value and classification (ag, residential, commercial, seasonal, etc). At least that's how it works here in MN.
Yep, we get two or in one case 3 different government agencies deciding how to change our millage rate.... the county assessor will give an overall book value,

Then those who live in the city are told if the city will raise their rates to meet budgets goals
Then those who live in the county ( everyone ) will be told the same
Then those who are in the school district ( everyone ) will be told the same......

We have to dodge 2-3 bullets in order not to have an increase..... generally we always have one as the school district keeps increasing their budget significantly each year.... those 100 million schools add up quickly.....
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
In a battle right now with property tax office.
I have family property that has been agricultural for 100 yrs i had 53 acres surveyed out and deeded to daughter. Tax appraisal district now denies agricultural because it has volunteer scrub pine trees from all the years where a few pines dropping seeds and spread by rainwater. They say she has to hire a timber management firm to get appraisal of the timber. And they have a list of approved companies that are they only ones that can be used.
She will not never cut the trees because we lrace them as protected area for cows in stormy weather.
This is why I tell people never to deed over property until you die..... the counties love to play games with these things and It always ends up costing you a lot of cash......
 

desertvet2

Veteran Member
And now you might understand why only (at the time) white, male LANDOWNERS could vote.

They knew it would be THEM PAYING for all of the "programs".

I think land owners should have a say in what goes on.
 

SageRock

Veteran Member
In Nevada, the state constitution limits the actual property tax increase to no more than 3% per year for owner-occupied, and 8% per year for other properties (rentals, vacant land). The assessed value continues to increase with inflation, however. Amending the state constitution is a laborious process that takes a minimum of five years (law passed in two successive legislatures, which meet every other year, then sent for a vote of the people at the next regular election). There are occasional attempts to do an end-run around this with "special" bond issues, but those have always failed at the polls. There's no room for complacency, however, since the DemocRats in this state are bound and determined to raise taxes at every opportunity. Sales taxes are already very high (around 8.25%).
 

Greybeard7

Veteran Member
High inflation, high interest rates, high property values, high insurance (*or no insurance available) and high property taxes will be the nail in the coffin for homeownership.

I'm sure they know this and understand that it's all part of the we will own nothing and be happy puzzle.

* I say no insurance available because many insurance companies no longer service California (not sure on other states) for home insurance. Broker told me several more may leave. So there may be a point where you are not even able to get home insurance anymore. For other reasons as well.
If you can't get home insurance, you will not be able to get a mortgage. I've been telling people this since insurance companies have either stopped issuing or significantly increased homeowners insurance rates. California and Florida are the two states that I am aware of that are getting hammered by home owners insurance rates.
If you can't afford either home insurance or property taxes, the mortgage company may foreclose on your house.

All mortgage companies (banks) that I know of require an escrow account that you pay into with your mortgage payment. The escrow account is maintained by the mortgage company to insure that property taxes and insurance are paid in full and on time every year.

What I have been trying to warn people about is that if you can't get insurance on your home, or if it is ridiculously expensive, and you have a mortgage, you will lose your home. The mortgage company can foreclose even if you pay the mortgage but don't pay the monthly escrow amount for taxes and insurance.

So you never "own" a home. You rent the home from those that charge you property taxes, and if you have a mortgage, you also pay back the loan and whatever the insurance companies demand.

Private property rights were destroyed in the USA a long time ago. "You will own nothing and be happy."
Well, you already own nothing. And they want to remove the 2nd amendment so you will be helpless when you become unhappy enough to do something about it.
 
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