I don't think the yellow crane is really big enough to lift any major sections.
Might be, but it looks kinda light.
Might be, but it looks kinda light.
From a local Facebook post:
If you ever go to Dubuque, you see the historic Julian Dubuque Bridge running over the Mississippi River carrying US Rt 20 traffic. It towers over the city, so you can't miss it.
This bridge is of the same design as the Francis Scott Key Bridge that collapsed in Baltimore yesterday.
With the amount of river traffic in Dubuque by barges and river cruise boats, etc, the same catastrophic events could occur without more safety features at some point. Let's hope the tragedy in Baltimore is the jump to push for better infrastructure and improvements in our nation that are many times not taken care of due to funding issues.
The army corps of engineers. The Reagan administration funded a national project to protect bridges from barges but Bush repurposed those funds for Iraq.This topic came up after the floods of 1993 and 1995, after several bridges on the Mississippi were destroyed by rogue barges in the flood waters. The question is WHO pays for the improvements, Iowa, Illinois, or the Fed Gov?
The army corps of engineers. The Reagan administration funded a national project to protect bridges from barges but Bush repurposed those funds for Iraq.
Makes you wonder what we are repurposing for Ukraine
Just for kicks, throw in weaving in your lane.I am looking at it the way a cop would look at a stop sign. If any part of your car is past the sign then your car is past the sign. Then you get a ticket for not stopping behind the sign and one for obstructing the intersection. Or, in this case, the harbor.
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Some bridge engineers who spoke with the New York Times questioned why the 1.6-mile-long bridge had zero deflection safety systems to protect from ship strikes.
Source: NYT
Why is that? Why did state and government officials neglect the safety of a bridge that spanned the only port exit and entry? Were they too busy focusing on woke policies?
Tunnel backers or packers? My audio went sides on that odd speech…The stupid is strong in that one.
Any moment
There is a possibility the "black boxes will be discussed.
LIVE: NTSB update on Baltimore bridge collapse
View: https://youtu.be/KTT0MzdcdFU
Good thoughts. We're learning about this as we go (using an all-encompassing "we") and there's lots of questions yet to be answered. The reason(s) for this crash haven't yet popped up and we like quick solutions, but this one is going to take a while longer to figure out. Those of us amateur sleuths who've been opining on this will be long gone to other adrenaline-high events before the final report on this one is completed.Doesn't look like it to me. The front of the ship has a drastic angle on it. The lower part that got stopped by the pier, did not go past the pier. The bridge structure landed on the nose of the ship. The part that sticks out beyond the lower hull. If the ship had traveled beyond the pier than the wreckage would have landed farther back. A picture speaks a thousand words. Look at the remaining pier on the right as reference. If anything it looks like the ship may have bounced back after striking the pier. But it definitely did not go past it.
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The army corps of engineers. The Reagan administration funded a national project to protect bridges from barges but Bush repurposed those funds for Iraq.
Makes you wonder what we are repurposing for Ukraine
Oh hell no! I'm so damned sick and tired of fighting other peoples wars! This explains why they didn't shore up those bridge piers going over the river.
I watched a video that said there were hazardous material on board leaking into the water. I remember them saying Lithuim was one!The challenge for the cleanup is the ship. They need to figure out what is compromised structurally before they do anything. She is the thing that can make this situation worse right now. If she were to sink in the channel or release a lot of fuel oil. The cargo that shifted is another issue. I can’t imagine they will lighter the whole ship but they are going to have to do some of it. It has to be so fascinating to be figuring all that out. The bridge is straightforward once the ship is cleared.
56 out of about 4700 containers contain hazmat. Several have been breached. Probably in that first stack on the bow that got crushed. I would be more concerned about all the fuel oil onboard but there is little sheen around the ship now so hopefully none of the tanks were damaged.I watched a video that said there were hazardous material on board leaking into the water. I remember them saying Lithuim was one!
Many have asked why tugs weren’t used. This is an important point and points to broader questions that will be asked of Baltimore port control about their overall safety management system, something that is every bit as relevant to this accident as the ‘loss of control’ suffered on the ship. Dali was doing about eight knots at the time of the incident which is approaching the upper speed of most tugs, certainly the upper speed at which they can have any lateral effect on a ship of that size, so a tug forward ‘pushing off’ in the traditional sense would have struggled. But there is no reason (other than time and money) why she couldn’t have had a tug attached aft or at least had one close by. This would have given the ship so many more options.
The weight of the bridge is already pinning the ship to the ground.The challenge for the cleanup is the ship. They need to figure out what is compromised structurally before they do anything. She is the thing that can make this situation worse right now. If she were to sink in the channel or release a lot of fuel oil. The cargo that shifted is another issue. I can’t imagine they will lighter the whole ship but they are going to have to do some of it. It has to be so fascinating to be figuring all that out. The bridge is straightforward once the ship is cleared.
A tug couldn't keep up.But there is no reason (other than time and money) why she couldn’t have had a tug attached aft or at least had one close by. This would have given the ship so many more options.
The press reported two pilots on board at the time of the accident. I have to guess one was a harbor pilot and the other the Chesapeake Bay pilot.I don't know that answer.
I know up here its a union thing.
So I would assume down there a different union than up here but they probably cover the whole area.
And here is the main page for the "Key Bridge Response" - and from that page "First responders have observed a sheen around the vessel. There are 56 total containers loaded on the vessel that contained hazardous materials. 14 were impacted. The 14 that were impacted were assessed by an industrial hygienist for potential hazards."
But there is no reason (other than time and money) why she couldn’t have had a tug attached aft or at least had one close by. This would have given the ship so many more options.
A tug couldn't keep up.
It is, but its also simply the odds. The bridge is almost 50 years old. At this time, I can't find the number of ships that passed under it annually... but I'm sure it's in the thousands.Not entirely true. Thats only because they emphasis was on time and money. They could have had tugs on standby at the bridge and they could have required the ships to slow to a speed where a tug could escort them through the bridge.
Even a small shift by a tug might have prevented the massive collapse of the bridge.
There's always a tradeoff between safety and money.
Kinda interesting it’s so tall it needs the aerial hazard paint job.I'd guess they are working on getting a gimongous crane on site.
Snatch the big chunks of bridge up and get that waterway open.
You don't just call them like a wrecker tho.
May have to come from the oil patch in the gulf.
I've seen news articles saying it's one of the biggest cranes on the east coast, and if that's the case, I'm thinking they're going to need to look farther out for something bigger. Unless they're going to cut the bridge up to move it, I don't think this crane's going to do it.I don't think the yellow crane is really big enough to lift any major sections.
Might be, but it looks kinda light.
Why wouldn't it be engine running/generator offline until clear of the last major obstacle in the harbor the same was airliners have their APU running during takeoff and landing? Both cases you'd want them immediately if main power failed, having them already running eliminates startup delay. As this accident shows, momentary delays for generator startup time can allow a ship to travel and turn on its own in unwanted ways.Why would the Emergency Generator be running as they transited?
Ships emergency generator would not be tied to the reefer boxes. It is required to be on a seperate circuit and only powers critical loads such as a steering pump, emergency bilge pump, firefighting and basic nav and comms. Not cargo.
Because it is currently not a requirement for it to be running during transit as far as I know.Why wouldn't it be engine running/generator offline until clear of the last major obstacle in the harbor the same was airliners have their APU running during takeoff and landing? Both cases you'd want them immediately if main power failed, having them already running eliminates startup delay. As this accident shows, momentary delays for generator startup time can allow a ship to travel and turn on its own in unwanted ways.
But for ships having the emergency power up and running during transit is not a requirement like airliners running APUs. However that might be a change to procedure after this accident. And battery backup for bridge systems might become a requirement as well.
$60 million? That'll be used up before this weekend is over.US Approves $60 Million in Urgent Funds for Baltimore Bridge
The Dali container vessel after striking the Francis Scott Key Bridge.Photographer: Al Drago/Bloomberg
By Brendan Case and Nacha Cattan
March 28, 2024 at 2:57 PM MST
Updated on
March 28, 2024 at 5:53 PM MST
The US Department of Transportation is providing $60 million in immediate funding for emergency work following the collapse this week of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge.
The funds will serve as a “down payment toward initial costs” as the Maryland state government works on emergency repairs, design and reconstruction of the bridge, the federal agency said in a statement Thursday. Additional money will become available as the project continues.
US Provides $60 Million in Emergency Funds for Baltimore Bridge
The US Department of Transportation is providing $60 million in immediate funding for emergency work following the collapse this week of Baltimore’s Francis Scott Key Bridge.www.bloomberg.com
$60 million? That'll be used up before this weekend is over.