REL GENRL Do you feel like the presence/power of spiritual darkness/demonic forces is fast growing?

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Because I do.

Seems like Christians aren't even tolerated anymore; they're despised, ridiculed, mocked and worse.

I was born in the late 1950s, and at no time in my life have I seen such open contempt and hatred in the media (both social media and main-stream media) for Christians. Traditional churches in my area (Hampton Roads, Virginia), are closing left and right.

And yet Christian-based movies are doing very well, and (as I mentioned in another thread), enrollment at Liberty University is growing at such a pace they can't keep up.

I'm not sure what's happening, but I definitely feel a shift in America's spirituality, and it "feels" like spiritual darkness is becoming stronger and more prevalent.
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
We were talking about this very subject last night @ 23:00 hours, 3 1/2 hours ago.

Evil abounds in the spirit of plenty corrupt.

We have 45 DJT as a President, and we have the anti-Executive going on his 3rd term as the leader of a negative dark force.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
I'm not as sensitive as some of the members. My experience is the light is shining. The light becomes all the more precious when believers, the just, the honest are persecuted. Persecution and hard times spread the light and cause it to burn brighter because what else is there? People are reminded why not to trust in the power of earthy kings.

Sadly the laws of God and man are being flaunted. The corrupt, decadent and perverted are so blatantly bold they no longer hide in the shadow. In the Bible and history this always fore shadows a cleansing. The only refuge is found in repentance and God.

Believe it or not this post was not intended as a Bible thump. It was in answer to the question asked by the OP and this is how it came out. Sometimes it's hard to express these things in secular terms, sometimes they can't be.

The darkness is real but it is empty.
 
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changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
We are in spiritual warfare. Look at the incidents of Republicans being shot, in car accidents, and in train/truck accidents. Maxine Waters is calling for violence against Republicans. Evil knows it is losing power where it counts, in our government and is putting up a fight.
 

Terriannie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The demonic forces are and have been running rampant in the hearts and minds of people but the difference now, is that emboldened, they are showing their true faces. In other words, there's more to the meaning of Trump "Derangement Syndrome." We can actually SEE it in their eyes and in their faces!!!

As hard as it is, there is one thing we might want to think about though.

With the revealing of these "forces," there will be less ambiguity or, wishy-washiness for sure. Decisions WILL be made! (No time stamp here but I also wonder if that's all part of the process of wheat being prepared to be separated from the chaff.)

So, continue to pray.

Be not afraid.

Our Lord has already won.
 

Raffy

Veteran Member
Revelation 22:11 says, "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still." Looking at the context of that verse and the verses and chapters around it, he time is coming when the world will be renewed, indeed with heaven coming to earth, and those who are righteous by faith in Jesus will be separated from those who are not righteous. Those who are not righteous will be eternally separated in hell from God and his people. That is what is coming. As Terriannie said, Jesus Christ has already won the victory. We who follow Him just need to wait for it to be applied to us in His due time. That's very encouraging when we view the increasing wickedness around us. But in the midst of that the Lord is also raising up His people who are increasing in their sanctification (being set apart for God's glory and work) as well!
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
The Demons are Coming! The Demons are Coming!
Ezekiel and his Visions by Larry Wilson available on DVD
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Author: Larry W. Wilson
Publish Date: June, 2014
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“They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon,
and in Greek, Apollyon.” (Revelation 9:11)

It may surprise you that “[Paul] Revere did not shout the phrase later attributed to him, ‘The British are coming!’ His [April 1775] mission depended on secrecy, the countryside was filled with British army patrols, and most of the Massachusetts colonists, who were predominantly English in ethnic origin, still considered themselves British.

Revere’s warning, according to eyewitness accounts of the ride and Revere’s own description, was ‘The Regulars are coming out.’ ”* Years later, Henry Wadsworth Longfellow wrote the phrase, “The British are coming!” to dramatize Revere’s courageous ride in a poem called “Paul Revere’s Ride.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Revere [inserts mine])

Very few Americans are aware that Revere’s famous warning was created by a poet. Even fewer people know that the entire world is nearing the end of a global war and demons are going to physically appear on Earth before Jesus returns. Of course, demons (fallen angels) have lived on Earth since the day Adam and Eve sinned and increasingly, we see the results of their predatory efforts in the news every day.

The title of this study parallels the warning message that Revere gave in Longfellow’s poem because the world needs to hear a far more serious warning. Revelation 9 predicts a time is coming when Jesus will permit the devil and his demons to leave the spirit realm where they have been confined.

They will appear in the skies over large cities and descend in shows of magnificent power and glory. The devil will claim to be Almighty God. For five months he and his angels will do everything possible to make the people of Earth believe that he is God and now lives among men. After accomplishing this objective, the devil will change into his real character.

He will demand that one third of mankind be slaughtered, and overnight, he and his demons will take full control of Earth. Most of the people will receive his tattoo (the mark of the beast) and become slaves of a supernatural pharaoh. Incredible misery will follow. This sounds like science fiction, but do not be fooled.

Once you understand God’s purpose for permitting this drama to unfold, it will make perfect sense.
Predatory Demons

From Adam’s fall to Noah’s flood, evil had permeated Earth like a virus. The whole world had became so degenerate that after a mere 1,646 years, God concluded that the only cure was total destruction. The same thing has happened all over again, albeit at a slower pace. Once again, our modern world society has become so degenerate from the virus of sin that destruction is the only cure. The combination of sinful human nature and predatory demons will cause this destruction. “For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms [unseen or spiritual realms].” (Ephesians 6:12, insertion mine)

Human nature is naturally rebellious toward God’s laws. (Romans 8:5-7) The devil and his demons know this because they, too, are rebellious toward God and His laws. Demons know that if a person ignores and rejects the prompting of the Holy Spirit to do right, then he will succumb to the temptation to do evil. Demons know that human beings are like a piece of metal caught between two powerful magnets. The human sinful nature causes us to be naturally inclined toward doing evil. Fallen angels study us intimately to discover our weaknesses and prey on our weaknesses. Their objective is to lead us into sin. They want us to experience the painful consequences of sin, like Adam and Eve, and ultimately receive the penalty for sin. The consequences of sin always result in suffering for someone, such as illness, painful loss and separation, self-loathing, loneliness, and insatiable appetites for things that cannot bring joy or happiness. The penalty for sin is eternal death. Read Hebrews 11:25,26 and seriously consider if the consequences and penalty for sin are a fair exchange for enjoying the pleasures of sin for a short time.
The Cancer of Sin

When a majority of people ignore or reject the voice of the Holy Spirit, society spirals downhill quickly. When the next generation arrives, society races downhill even faster because the new generation has fewer inhibitions toward wrongdoing. Therefore, with each passing generation, society accelerates toward hopeless degeneracy and decadence. God does step in from time to time and slows this degeneracy by reducing or eliminating certain populations, thus cauterizing the cancer of sin.

The Bible teaches that people can be grossly evil and not know it. If God Himself were to enter each household and clearly point out each sinful thought, word, and action, He would be thrown out immediately. Unfortunately, most people are ignorant of God’s will and His righteousness, and within the confines of our natural rebellion, we will do everything possible to remain ignorant. Billions of people have no knowledge that their thoughts, ways, and actions are exceedingly offensive to God. We are born into sin’s pigpen and we have comfortably adapted to the constant stench (the customs and ways) of the sty. Pig farmers cannot smell the pungent and repulsive odor of their pigpens, and neither can a sinner detect his true condition before God without enlightenment from the Holy Spirit.
God Does Something That Causes People to Hate Him and Curse Him

God’s ways are predictable because He is changeless. (Malachi 3:6) Unlike Lucifer, God is not arbitrary, obsessive, paranoid, capricious, double-minded, or impulsive. Although we cannot understand everything about Him, there are many things we can understand if we take the time. We can be sure that God is a God of love because His actions at Calvary speak clearly. (John 3:16) When 4,000 years of Bible history (from Creation to the first century A.D.) are reviewed, it is easy to conclude that God is infinitely wise, infinitely intelligent, very careful, very deliberate, very thoughtful, very patient, and very nurturing. When we study the plan of salvation, we observe that in terms of kindness, God has no equal. These properties of God’s character are important to understand because He consistently does something which causes people to hate Him and curse Him.

Because God is changeless, He has discernable patterns of behavior. I would like to investigate one pattern of behavior from the Old Testament: When groups of people reach an intolerable level of degenerate and decadent behavior so that even extended grace has no redemptive effect, God always responds with destruction. I call this pattern, The Full Cup Principle.* Consider these applications: A God of love drowned the whole world in Noah’s day. A God of love burned Sodom and Gomorrah to the ground. A God of love caused the walls and buildings of Jericho to fall and bury most of the inhabitants of the city. A God of love empowered King Nebuchadnezzar to take Israel captive, destroy God’s temple, and reduce the City of David to ashes. A God of love empowered Cyrus and Darius to overtake the mighty city of Babylon. A God of love empowered Alexander the Great to destroy the Persian Empire. This same God of love will, at the right time, release the demons from the spirit realm allowing them to overtake the wicked and dominate those who insisted on ignorance and defiance. (For an in-depth study on this topic, please see Chapter 2 in my book, Warning! Revelation is about to be fulfilled.)

When dealing with ignorant and arrogant people, God consistently follows The Full Cup Principle. When God sees that a future generation has no possibility for happiness because of the current generation’s degeneracy and decadence, He sends redemptive judgments. If these judgments cannot achieve repentance and reformation, He sends totally destructive judgments. This pattern is described in the Bible in several places. For examples, see Leviticus 26, Deuteronomy 28, and Ezekiel 14.

We need take a closer look at these two steps:

When a nation reaches a point where a majority of its people refuse to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit, when a majority falls into idolatry, greed, hatred, meanness, rage, gluttony, and sexual immorality, God knows that recovery is impossible on a human scale. Therefore, He takes action with redemptive judgments so that, if possible, that nation might repent and reform. God’s love and interest in the future generation is just as great as His love and interest in the present generation. Therefore, if a nation will repent and reform, it can once again enjoy the land which God gave it to inhabit, and future generations will have a chance to hear the voice of the Holy Spirit and live upright lives.
Of course, redemptive judgments always bring suffering, heartache, and pain. During these judgments, some people do wake up and discover their true condition in God’s sight. They repent of their sins and reform. Corporately speaking, however, Bible history reveals this outcome is rare. The city of Nineveh is the only group of people who come to my mind who repented, but that repentance was short-lived and the city was only spared from destruction for 160 years. Most of the time, ignorant and arrogant people curse God on account of His plagues, and they stubbornly refuse to see any correlation between their behavior and His judgments. This is why destruction is the only solution. Isaiah wrote, “My soul yearns for you in the night; in the morning my spirit longs for you. When your judgments come upon the earth, the people of the world learn righteousness. Though grace is shown to the wicked, they do not learn righteousness; even in a land of uprightness they go on doing evil and regard not the majesty of the Lord.” (Isaiah 26:9,10)
After sending redemptive judgments, God waits to see what a nation will do. (See Daniel 5:18-31) If the people of that nation are unwilling to turn away from their wickedness, God responds by sending a destroyer to utterly destroy that nation. We see this process in the Old Testament several times. For example, speaking about the destruction of ancient Babylon, God said to Jeremiah “‘But when the seventy years [of Israel’s captivity] are fulfilled, I will punish the king of Babylon and his nation, the land of the Babylonians, for their guilt,’ declares the Lord, ‘and will make it desolate forever. I will bring upon that land all the things I have spoken against it, all that are written in this book and prophesied by Jeremiah against all the nations. They themselves will be enslaved by many nations and great kings; I will repay them according to their deeds and the work of their hands.’” (Jeremiah 25:12-14, insertion mine)

The Seven Trumpets

I believe every nation on Earth has descended to a level of degeneracy and decadence that cannot be cured or reversed. The whole world is sick with a fatal virus, and no cure or solution is possible. Therefore, The Full Cup Principle is about to be invoked. God’s wrath is coming. When the appointed hour arrives, God will release four angels who have been given power to hurt the Earth (Revelation 7:1-4) and four horrific judgments will strike Earth in quick succession. These judgments are described in Revelation 8. They will be redemptive in nature; that is, some people will come to their senses and repent of their wicked ways realizing there is a God. God’s judgments will also have the effect of separating sheep (humble and repentant people) from goats (arrogant and defiant people). I do not have words to describe the global destruction that will be caused by the first four judgments. However, to offer some perspective, the Bible indicates in Revelation 6:8 that 25% of the world’s population will be killed when God’s wrath is released (1.75+ billion people). The misery index created by the first four judgments will cause billions of people to hate God and curse Him.
“The Demons Are Coming” and The Full Cup Principle

Today, Earth has become hopelessly decadent. Bible prophecy reveals the time has come when God will once again implement The Full Cup Principle. Prior to the Great Tribulation, God will select and empower 144,000 people as His spokespersons. Then, over a period of 64(?) days God will send four redemptive judgments (these are described in Revelation 8). These four judgments will destroy much of our planet and kill 1.75 billion people. Their purpose is to get the full attention of every survivor so that each person may thoughtfully consider God’s Words, spoken only by the 144,000. Many people will hate God and go to their deaths cursing Him.

Nevertheless, God will wait for 890(?) days to see what choices each person will make. At the end of 890(?) days, there will still be many people who refuse to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, God worsens the situation. He releases Lucifer and his angels from the spirit realm. God sends a destroyer who is eager to destroy the world. God does this so that in the process, some of those stubbornly wicked people will wake up and realize there are only two options in life. We either obey the voices of demons or we obey the voice of the Holy Spirit. A few people will discover this profound truth and repent of their ignorance and rebellion. Next month, I will attempt to explain why it is only our response to the Holy Spirit which determines our eternal destiny.

Larry Wilson


https://www.wake-up.org/newsletter-archive/demons-coming.html
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Because I do.

Seems like Christians aren't even tolerated anymore; they're despised, ridiculed, mocked and worse.

I was born in the late 1950s, and at no time in my life have I seen such open contempt and hatred in the media (both social media and main-stream media) for Christians. Traditional churches in my area (Hampton Roads, Virginia), are closing left and right.

And yet Christian-based movies are doing very well, and (as I mentioned in another thread), enrollment at Liberty University is growing at such a pace they can't keep up.

I'm not sure what's happening, but I definitely feel a shift in America's spirituality, and it "feels" like spiritual darkness is becoming stronger and more prevalent.

If you think this is bad, you should of been living in the first 300 years after Christ's death. Or in the Middle East from around the 600's through the 1100's.

No offence intended, or implied. We've been to soft for way to long.

And I agree with you spiritual darkness does seem to be increasing. We live in a secular world though, and it will always be that way, until..... And if you will note Rev. it is only going to get worse.

I suggest memorizing your Bible. You never know when it will be illegal to own one.

ETA: several people made comments in between when I read and when I posted so just wanted to remind everyone that demons can appear as angels of light, they don't have to be freakazodes.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
No.

To the carnal and physical eyes yes, to the sovereignty and plan of God absolutely not. Never, ever forget that the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. I reckon back to Job where satan himself appeared before the Lord to test him but it was all God's plan to begin with. And satan could go no further than God allowed him to. God does not change. Certainly with our physical eyes things are bad and are going to get exponentially worse as this nation and indeed the world cast's off all restraint and moral values.

Who has resisted God's will? All of us. Who has resisted God's plan? Nobody! When I consider such questions as the O.P. I always harken back to the thought that if there was a better way for God to accomplish his will for his creation then he would do it that way. All these things must happen in the order and time that they occur. Death, war, pestilence, violence and evil are all a part of this world and the current system but thank God they are not eternal!! They serve a purpose in the here and now but they will not endure and always remember that the last enemy to be put under Christ's feet is death itself. The immediate future may be bleak but with God's help we can look beyond the present and see what will be. In the end it will all be worth it!

Keep on keeping on.
 

Faroe

Un-spun
Things are more violent and more polarized, but people are simultaneously waking up, and learning to care about what was so nearly lost.
 

zealotbat

Senior Member
Same, Yes.

In my own life I saw an event that was unfolding...and god intervened when I thought it was at an end. And what he gave me was a new beginning....no loss at all....only gain and forward movement.
Be strong...and have faith...keep speaking to our lord...he is truly listening.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
_______________
Demons?

Dunno.

There's good guys.

There are bad guys...and trying to have a plan to deal with them.

What motivates them, isn't my concern.
 

Seer

Veteran Member
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Edmund Burke. The Western Christian church has failed utterly to preach the Gospel of Jesus. When 65% of professing Christians don't believe Satan is an actual entity and believe evil is a fairly tale then you have the situation we see all around us today. It's easy for evil to become prevalent when those who are supposed to be doing the works of Jesus have no clue that they are in a spiritual war.
 

Haybails

When In Doubt, Throttle Out!
Here's a thought that just struck me (when I read the title of this thread) . . . it may not be a new idea - but, it's new to me.

I don't think there is a "fast growing" darkness of demonic power - right now, at this present time. Rather, I think it's just always been there. I think the older we get, with an increased world-view and more life-experience and knowledge/awareness of our fellow man . . . we just *THINK* that the darkness is "fast growing" - simply because we're recognizing it more and more as we expand our awareness.

I think *EVERY* generation goes through this . . . it's just different 'incidents' to which we point as verification.


HB
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Demons?

Dunno.

There's good guys.

There are bad guys...and trying to have a plan to deal with them.

What motivates them, isn't my concern.

I didn't believe in demons for 50+ years, and then I had a "close personal encounter" with not one, but several. In talking with area ministers and clergy, I've been told that my experience was one of the most severe encounters with a demonic presence that they've heard about and/or encountered.

It seems to me if you believe in God and His angels, you must believe in Satan and his demons.

And the philosophical part of me wonders, is that why evil is flourishing? Because we don't believe it has a source and/or a reality?
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Pretty much the same "stuff", different day.

Some of the threads here on this board the past few days have been wallowing in the filth that's out there in the world.
The same filth and evil has been around forever.
Don't dig for it, and don't roll in it.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Demons and demonic influences are very real. If you ever encounter either, you would become a believer real fast. Just because some don't believe in demons doesn't mean they don't exist.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I didn't believe in demons for 50+ years, and then I had a "close personal encounter" with not one, but several. In talking with area ministers and clergy, I've been told that my experience was one of the most severe encounters with a demonic presence that they've heard about and/or encountered.

It seems to me if you believe in God and His angels, you must believe in Satan and his demons.

And the philosophical part of me wonders, is that why evil is flourishing? Because we don't believe it has a source and/or a reality?

Just as a thought, and not trying to present doctrine, or quote a bunch of Bible verses.

The verse "he that restrainth...…" I think we have a tendency to think that is an all of a sudden thing. Which it may be near the end, but it also may be sort of a gradual release until it is finally done, and then hordes come forth.

Just saying it's a thought.
 

Garryowen

Deceased
I'm inclined to agree with Haybails, that we are more sensitive to it now. There was a lot of activity when I was in college, and it wasn't as obvious for several decades, but it becoming more open now. Same verses apply, same Lord is over all.
 

Doc

Senior Member
I have to agree. I know evil has been pervasive on planet earth since the beginning of time, but I have sensed an increase in a darkness over the last year. I can't put my finger on it, but it is a feeling of impending doom. A feeling that something just isn't right. My intuition is knotting up my gut and I pray daily for the Lord to protect me and give me guidance. Then again, maybe it's just my old age setting in. But right now, I don't see good things in our near future.
 

Jonas

Veteran Member
Do I believe demons exist? You bet I do!

Each born again believer has gifts and they are not all the same. Discernment of evil is one of the gifts.

I believe that we all suffer for God’s purpose and it is always for our betterment. Every Christian needs to grow and I pray that I continue to grow till I “go”.

Scripture says “Study to show yourself approved”, not to just read but study. Scripture states that when Satan wanted to raise his seat above God, he took one third of the angels with him. I think this group is what we call demons. The word demon is not in the bible but instead the term devils is.

It took me 52 years to become a born again believer. This proves that God surely is not willing that ANY should perish.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have to agree. I know evil has been pervasive on planet earth since the beginning of time, but I have sensed an increase in a darkness over the last year. I can't put my finger on it, but it is a feeling of impending doom. A feeling that something just isn't right. My intuition is knotting up my gut and I pray daily for the Lord to protect me and give me guidance. Then again, maybe it's just my old age setting in. But right now, I don't see good things in our near future.

I don't think age has anything to do with it. I'm in agreement with everything you said, and I'm not that old. The body of believers need more discernment.
 

parable

Senior Member
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Edmund Burke. The Western Christian church has failed utterly to preach the Gospel of Jesus. When 65% of professing Christians don't believe Satan is an actual entity and believe evil is a fairly tale then you have the situation we see all around us today. It's easy for evil to become prevalent when those who are supposed to be doing the works of Jesus have no clue that they are in a spiritual war.

Well said, and I totally agree. To hear Scripture being preached in context, we listen to Pilgrim Radio (comes out of Carson City, NV. Terrific speakers). Streams in on Alexa (Amazon) or on computer.
 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
Just go to Youtube to see possessed people on drugs. I'm too creeped out to post them here.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Yes, I sense and see hard times for a lot of folks, my family as well. Seems like the news cycle, more constant these days....but, knowing God is in control is the peace beyond all understanding at work. I know it's gonna continue to get worse, as birth pains....we are well on that path.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Betty_Rose wrote: "Do you feel like the presence/power of spiritual darkness/demonic forces is fast growing?"
Yes. I was born in '44 and have NEVER seen such open evil and shamelessness EVERYWHERE.
 

narnia4

Senior Member
Yes and no, like a summary of the comments here would say.

My family has recently been rewatching "Babylon 5" and I would agree the return of "the shadows" has begun. But even in B5 its not new but a return or refreshing of old evil.

Read about the Civil War, the Ww 's or other great events - there is indeed nothing new under the sun. But as often mentioned on this forum, there is a coming darkness or struggle greater than the last few decades. And for those quoting the Bible...it clearly states things will get worse and worse until the end. We will never be able to set things right in the world or USA overall, but our individual lives is another matter. Again as been said on this forum...the US as we knew it or even know it now may well not survive.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Demons and demonic influences are very real. If you ever encounter either, you would become a believer real fast. Just because some don't believe in demons doesn't mean they don't exist.

I have been thinking about this for a while. I feel it...

The following is a Swedish band that won an emmy for this song ( "Cirice" which is old English for "Church"... 6:05 run time )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Ao4t_fe0I

They are from Sweden ( which has been swinging back towards paganism for some time, if it ever truly left paganism behind ), they are avowed Satanists, and the song is sung from the subtle viewpoint of the devil saying he "understands" us and we are meant to be with him.

I then look at Sweden and what a wreck of chaos they are becoming as the Father gives them over to the devil that they are desiring so much.

Yes...

I feel the presence of evil in the world and am very aware of it within my own life...
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Have seen first hand demons working through a crowd (actually a mob) pretty scary I can assure you.

Yes evil is ramping up all around us. We're inundated with it every single day. You don't have to look for it or even try to find it, it's sooooo in your face.

I have a question for you all. My DW and I were discussing things along these lines and wondered:

In the prelude to the final days the Holy Spirit will leave the planet. For those folks already saved will they know or be able to tell when this happens. Will the Holy Spirit also abandon believers or just the planet in general? Christ says that he will never leave us. So how does this work out during that period? Sorry if it's a silly question but we got to wondering about this and couldn't come up with an answer.

Thoughts?
 

minkykat

Komplainy Kat
Revelation 22:11 says, "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still." Looking at the context of that verse and the verses and chapters around it, he time is coming when the world will be renewed, indeed with heaven coming to earth, and those who are righteous by faith in Jesus will be separated from those who are not righteous. Those who are not righteous will be eternally separated in hell from God and his people. That is what is coming. As Terriannie said, Jesus Christ has already won the victory. We who follow Him just need to wait for it to be applied to us in His due time. That's very encouraging when we view the increasing wickedness around us. But in the midst of that the Lord is also raising up His people who are increasing in their sanctification (being set apart for God's glory and work) as well!

The time is fast approaching that what ever your grade is going into finals, that will likely be the grade you keep when the bell rings on this class called "earth".
You've still got time: get that grade up!
 

Bardou

Veteran Member
What do you do when you encounter a person telling you that you're not a Christian, then proceeds to use Bible quotes, calls you white trash, and who just came from church. They're in churches all over the place and I prefer to keep my distance from churches. If I encounter just one of them when I'm minding my own business, what would happen if there's a church full of them--DEMONS? No thanks, I don't need that kind of spiritual warfare encounters in my life.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
Hello Betty_Rose,

I agree with what you wrote: and it "feels" like spiritual darkness is becoming stronger and more prevalent.

I believe the organized 'Christian' churches are to blame for a lot of the spread of this evil. By not fighting against it, by not speaking out against it, by falling away from many of the basic tenets of Christianity.

Like President Trump told a group of ministers that met with him - basically, you've let Christians and the country down by not standing up for what Christianity believes.

He was right. He went on to say that if the Christian churches would unite they'd be a huge powerhouse for good in the U.S.

The churches remain divided - I suspect this is due to pride and greed and the powers of evil.

And some mega churches have sided with the one world religion beliefs of the pope.

The Catholic Church is one of the largest worldwide churches, as an example -

As father Malachi Martin said - the smoke of satan goes all to the top of the Vatican.

"Malachi Martin, a scholar, Vatican insider, and best-selling author, said, “Anybody who is acquainted with the state of affairs in the Vatican in the last 35 years is well aware that the prince of darkness has had and still has his surrogates in the court of St. Peter in Rome.” https://zionistreport.com/2017/08/interview-lucifer-vatican-father-malachi-martin/

I believe this is true for many other 'Christian' organizations too.

Signs of the times - we are approaching The Last Days. Time to pick a side.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
ShadowMan said:
In the prelude to the final days the Holy Spirit will leave the planet. For those folks already saved will they know or be able to tell when this happens. Will the Holy Spirit also abandon believers or just the planet in general? Christ says that he will never leave us. So how does this work out during that period? Sorry if it's a silly question but we got to wondering about this and couldn't come up with an answer.

Thoughts?

I think your question depends on one's own interpretation of Scripture. I don't believe that the Holy Spirit will be taken out. Other's do, while referring to the passage about "The Restrainer Being Taken Out of the Way", before the Tribulation starts. I don't believe the restrainer is the Holy Spirit. That's just me, though.
 

dogmanan

Inactive
Well I look at it like this.

Untill they put a bounty on your head for being a christian and hunt you down like a wild dog you are safe, and when they do hope that you are one of the ones that GOD hides out till the end or puts in a protected place..
 

dogmanan

Inactive
My question is when they hunt you down do you protect your family and shoot them or do you just roll over and let them take your family to be tortured........

I pretty sure I'm going to do like GOD said I have a wright to do and protect my family.
 

dieseltrooper

Inactive
No.

To the carnal and physical eyes yes, to the sovereignty and plan of God absolutely not. Never, ever forget that the earth is the Lord's and the fullness thereof. I reckon back to Job where satan himself appeared before the Lord to test him but it was all God's plan to begin with. And satan could go no further than God allowed him to. God does not change. Certainly with our physical eyes things are bad and are going to get exponentially worse as this nation and indeed the world cast's off all restraint and moral values.

Who has resisted God's will? All of us. Who has resisted God's plan? Nobody! When I consider such questions as the O.P. I always harken back to the thought that if there was a better way for God to accomplish his will for his creation then he would do it that way. All these things must happen in the order and time that they occur. Death, war, pestilence, violence and evil are all a part of this world and the current system but thank God they are not eternal!! They serve a purpose in the here and now but they will not endure and always remember that the last enemy to be put under Christ's feet is death itself. The immediate future may be bleak but with God's help we can look beyond the present and see what will be. In the end it will all be worth it!

Keep on keeping on.

Agree 100%. This present evil eon is almost over. 2028 will mark 6000yrs from Adam. I'm pretty stoked!
 
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