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Colorado Legalizes Marijuana For Recreational Use

Posted: 11/06/2012 11:24 pm EST Updated: 11/07/2012 1:24 am EST

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/06/amendment-64-passes-in-co_n_2079899.html


The Rocky Mountain High just got a whole lot higher. On Tuesday night, Amendment 64 -- the measure seeking the legalization of marijuana for recreational use by adults -- was passed by Colorado voters, making Colorado the first state to end marijuana prohibition in the United States.

With about 36 percent of precincts reporting at the time of publishing, 9News and Fox31 report that Amendment 64 has passed.

Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, a vocal opponent to the measure, reacted to the passage of A64 in a statement late Tuesday night:

The voters have spoken and we have to respect their will. This will be a complicated process, but we intend to follow through. That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug so don’t break out the Cheetos or gold fish too quickly.

The passage of the state measure is without historical precedent and the consequences will likely be closely-watched around the world. In an interview with The Huffington Post, the authors/researchers behind the book "Marijuana Legalization: What Everyone Needs To Know" pointed out that the measure in Colorado is truly groundbreaking, comparing it to the legalization that Amsterdam enjoys:

A common error is to believe that the Netherlands has already legalized cannabis (the preferred term for marijuana in Europe). What has been de facto legalized is only the retail sale of 5 grams (about a sixth of an ounce) or less. Production and wholesale distribution is still illegal, and that prohibition is enforced, which is largely why the price of sinsemilla in the “coffee shops” isn’t much different than the price in American dispensaries.

Although Colorado "legalized it," it will be several months, perhaps as long as a year, before Colorado adults 21-and-over can enjoy the legal sale of marijuana. However, the parts of the amendment related to individual behavior will go into effect as soon as Governor Hickenlooper certifies the results of the vote, a proclamation he is obligated to do within 30 days of the election, The Colorado Independent reported.

It's a huge victory for the Campaign To Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol, the pro-pot group behind Amendment 64. "Over the past eight years in Colorado, we have argued that it is irrational to punish adults for choosing to use a product that is far less harmful than alcohol," Mason Tvert, co-director of the campaign, said in a statement. "Today, the voters agreed. Colorado will no longer have laws that steer people toward using alcohol, and adults will be free to use marijuana instead if that is what they prefer. And we will be better off as a society because of it."

This is the second time Colorado voted on legal weed, in 2006 Coloradans voted the measure down, but not in 2012. Tvert told The Huffington Post in an August interview why he thought this year might be different:

The 2006 initiative would have simply removed the penalties for the possession of marijuana legal for individuals 21 years of age or older. The current initiative proposes a fully regulated system of cultivation and sales, which will eliminate the underground marijuana market and generate tens of millions of dollars per year in new revenue and criminal justice savings. It also directs the legislature to regulate the cultivation of industrial hemp, a versatile, popular, and environmentally friendly agricultural crop.

More importantly, voters are more informed about marijuana than ever before. They have also experienced the emergence of a state-regulated medical marijuana system that has not produced any serious problems, but has provided a number of benefits. We now know that marijuana cultivation and sales can be regulated, and that medical marijuana businesses do not contribute to increased crime. We have also seen marijuana use among high school students decrease since the state began implementing regulations, whereas it has increased nationwide where there are no regulations. And, of course, localities and the state have seen how much revenue can be generated through the legal sale of marijuana that would have otherwise gone into the underground market. Voters in Colorado no longer need to imagine what a legal and regulated system of marijuana sales would look like; they have seen it.

It's also worth noting that 2012 is a presidential election year, so we will benefit from increased voter turnout compared to an off-year election like 2006. Historically, the more people who vote, the more support marijuana reform initiatives receive.

On the same night that Colorado passed Amendment 64, Washington state passed Initiative 502 which regulates and taxes sales of small amounts of marijuana for adults, The Associated Press reports. Oregon also had a marijuana measure on the ballot, but as of publishing and with 47 percent of precincts reporting, it looked as if it would not pass.

Under Amendment 64, marijuana is taxed and regulated similar to alcohol and tobacco. It gives state and local governments the ability to control and tax the sale of small amounts of marijuana to adults age 21 and older. According to the Associated Press, analysts project that that tax revenue could generate somewhere between $5 million and $22 million a year in the state. An economist whose study was funded by a pro-pot group projects as much as a $60 million boost by 2017.

"Today, the people of Colorado have rejected the failed policy of marijuana prohibition," Brian Vicente, also a co-director of the Campaign to Regulate Marijuana, said in a statement. "Thanks to their votes, we will now reap the benefits of regulation. We will create new jobs, generation million of dollars in tax revenue, and allow law enforcement to focus on serious crimes. It would certainly be a travesty if the Obama administration used its power to impose marijuana prohibition upon a state whose people have declared, through the democratic process, that they want it to end."

The big unknown still is if the federal government will allow a regulated marijuana market to take shape. Attorney General Eric Holder, who was a vocal opponent of California's legalization initiative in 2010 saying he would "vigorously enforce" federal marijuana prohibition, has continued to remain silent on the issue this year.

In September, Holder was urged by nine former heads of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to take a stand against marijuana legalization again. "To continue to remain silent conveys to the American public and the global community a tacit acceptance of these dangerous initiatives," the nine said in the letter to holder obtained by Reuters.

Earlier this month those same DEA drug warriors joined by former directors of the Office of National Drug Control Policy on a teleconference call to put additional pressure on Holder to speak out against Colorado's marijuana measure as well as similar initiatives on the ballot in Washington state and Oregon.

The drug warriors say that states that legalize marijuana for recreational use will trigger a "Constitutional showdown" with the federal government.

In a report published Sunday by NBC News, President Obama's former senior drug policy advisor said that if the marijuana initiatives pass, a war will be incited between the federal government and the states that pass them. "Once these states actually try to implement these laws, we will see an effort by the feds to shut it down," Sabet said.

But proponents of the legislation say they don't foresee federal agents interfering in states that have legalized cannabis, citing the federal government's silence on the issue this election cycle.

The DOJ has yet to formally announce its enforcement intentions, however, the clearest statement from the DOJ came from Deputy Attorney General James Cole, who said his office's stance on the issue would be "the same as it's always been." During a recent appearance on "60 Minutes" Cole elaborated, "We're going to take a look at whether or not there are dangers to the community from the sale of marijuana and we're going to go after those dangers," Reuters reported.
 

Matt

Veteran Member
I voted for it. I am hoping this sparks a legal war on the state's rights issue since we have elected to make it a state constitution issue. Wouldn't it be great if the hippies are the spark to revive the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. First tell the DEA to pound sand and then tell the ATF to piss up a rope.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
I voted for it. I am hoping this sparks a legal war on the state's rights issue since we have elected to make it a state constitution issue. Wouldn't it be great if the hippies are the spark to revive the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. First tell the DEA to pound sand and then tell the ATF to piss up a rope.

Until ALL federal funding is cut off until the state comes into compliance.
 

Maverick

Membership Revoked
I'm gonna chime in here: Society is finally growing up, and thank goodness. We all have short lives, and we live them in pursuit of happiness. For those who have never tried it, you simply can't relate to what I am about to describe: Making love while stoned is a heavenly experience on earth, and I've been needing to go back to Colorado to finish a second Masters degree.

I think it's time to move back now!
 

Jeff Allen

Producer
It would seem hippies are more motivated than a majority of gum flapping Rambo wannabes

Something to note when people are thinking they are "free" because they got a gun and a mouth.

J
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Society may be growing up, Maverick...

But, Society has a big brother who is a bitch...
 

USDA

Veteran Member
Oregon foolishly let the measure fall. The real point is not smoking pot...those who want it will continue to get it. But the real losers are the famers who could make millions (billions) growing a vastly useful crop of Hemp.

The state needs all the help it can get...but heads here are still firmly in the asses of the majority of voters...and 57% (mostly losers in the big cities...Portland, Eugene love the scraps from Obama's table...which is their to begin with, bread that has been stolen.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Does not matter what Colorado "legalizes"---O will not let you keep it.

Love how "liberal" states keep voting for the guy who uses the fedgov to prosecute the hell out of this.
 

billet

Veteran Member
I'm gonna chime in here: Society is finally growing up, and thank goodness. We all have short lives, and we live them in pursuit of happiness. For those who have never tried it, you simply can't relate to what I am about to describe: Making love while stoned is a heavenly experience on earth, and I've been needing to go back to Colorado to finish a second Masters degree.

I think it's time to move back now!

Amazingly stupid victory. All this does is speeds up the dumbing down of America, and you fools applaud it. Sad
 

Kritter

The one and only...
From what I've heard, O doesn't plan to contest it. But look...people who like to smoke pot have always smoked it, regardless of it's legality. Pot has always been super easy to find and acquire. It was everywhere in my old high school. The kids who liked it smoked it. The rest of us didn't. I highly doubt anything will change that. Just because it's legal, people who weren't interested in it before aren't suddenly going to develop an interest in it now.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I voted for it. I am hoping this sparks a legal war on the state's rights issue since we have elected to make it a state constitution issue. Wouldn't it be great if the hippies are the spark to revive the 10th Amendment to the US Constitution. First tell the DEA to pound sand and then tell the ATF to piss up a rope.

the hippies were the worst crap imaginable, and I'm speaking as an ex one
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Well...if it's any consolation...pot heads aren't usually voters.

it is some, we have a pot head in the house who's in and out of a mental hospital, due to go to a rehab centre, waiting for a vacancy, the nurses at the hospital are dead against the use of cannabis due to the number of people screwed up and in hospital as a result

this individual is practically a mental vegetable
 

sunflowerstation

Veteran Member
I voted for it. I really don't think it's gonna make people smoke more. It will increase tax revenue. maybe jobs. but think about it. is it really worse than alcohol? gimme a break. oh by the way, I don't smoke or drink.

Sunny
 

Demodave

Veteran member
I'm embarrassed to live in this state. It voted for o twice now, and legalizes being stoned. What a waste. Pretty country, but twits and lefties have taken over.

DD out.
 

dieseltrooper

Inactive
I'm gonna chime in here: Society is finally growing up, and thank goodness. We all have short lives, and we live them in pursuit of happiness. For those who have never tried it, you simply can't relate to what I am about to describe: Making love while stoned is a heavenly experience on earth, and I've been needing to go back to Colorado to finish a second Masters degree.

I think it's time to move back now!

Oh yeah!:kaid::hugs:
 

dieseltrooper

Inactive
it is some, we have a pot head in the house who's in and out of a mental hospital, due to go to a rehab centre, waiting for a vacancy, the nurses at the hospital are dead against the use of cannabis due to the number of people screwed up and in hospital as a result

this individual is practically a mental vegetable

It sounds like this person has serious mental health problems and was self-medicating. The nurses are against since the highly profitable pharmaceuticals are sooo much better....
 

ready2go

Veteran Member
This whole notion that legalization will be a huge revenue maker for the state is BS. For every white market, there's an equal and opposite black market. The state will have to create a bureaucracy, costing millions, with an armed LEO component to weed out (no pun intended) untaxed weed.

Legalization with govt control will be the best thing that's ever happened to the cartels.

Personally, I hate weed, or any drugs. I don't even drink. When it all comes down, the need to use any kind of chemical is due to lack of coping skills in the individual. If you can't go through life without being high on one thing or another, than you need to fix some shit.
 

Redcat

Veteran Member
Having lived through my own personal experimental age (21-22), I also don't drink, smoke or do drugs. My next door neighbors are whacked constantly. They pretty openly smoke dope, drink gallons of beer and I am 99% sure the wife is on meth. She has gone from a healthy woman to a shell of a human with rotted teeth and bad skin. The poster child for all things wrong you can do with your body. I'm not saying she advanced to the meth from smoking pot, but from a lack of coping skills like you said (can I snag your 2 sentences? I love how you said it).

Still, I can see the use of pot for pain relief and appetite enhancing in cancer type diseases tho. If it is natural and can help, go for it. Can you imagine Monsanto gettings it's hands on the pot crop seed? What the heck would that do to it.
 

ready2go

Veteran Member
I guess I should edit my rant; I think pot use is legitimate for medicine (for people who really need it).
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I voted for it. I really don't think it's gonna make people smoke more. It will increase tax revenue. maybe jobs. but think about it. is it really worse than alcohol? gimme a break. oh by the way, I don't smoke or drink.

Sunny

My problem with the alcohol analogy is does it add or replace? If it replaces, probably OK. But if we go from 100 alkies on the road to 120 alkies and stoned on the road, I don't think we have made progress.
 

FREEBIRD

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"If you can't go through life without being high on one thing or another, than you need to fix some shit."

Amen to that.
 

Sysman

Old Geek <:)=
In September, Holder was urged by nine former heads of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration to take a stand against marijuana legalization again. "To continue to remain silent conveys to the American public and the global community a tacit acceptance of these dangerous initiatives," the nine said in the letter to holder obtained by Reuters.
The DEA and DOJ is the only dangerous initiatives that I see... :fgr:

.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
My problem with the alcohol analogy is does it add or replace? If it replaces, probably OK. But if we go from 100 alkies on the road to 120 alkies and stoned on the road, I don't think we have made progress.

I'm also curious about that. Cottonmouth was a term associated with weed, back in the day. I tended to take care of that with alcohol, which was a bad combo.

I never found weed to be the harmless high that some people here are promoting. For me, it distorted time so badly that I thought driving 45 mph was like practice for the Autobahn. My highs were not much fun, either. I became paranoid once while riding my horse and thought she knew I was stoned and was just waiting for the right moment to buck me off. The first time I got high, from second hand smoke, I hallucinated... a funny one, no bad stuff. After experimenting with it a bit, I didn't see the appeal.

I totally agree with Ready2go.
If you can't go through life without being high on one thing or another, than you need to fix some shit.
 

dieseltrooper

Inactive
Like your Rx drugs, MJ will not be a good choice for some. Recreational use doesn't mean going thru life high, any more than recreational alcohol use does. Does this logic apply to those usng Rx psych meds?
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
I'm also curious about that. Cottonmouth was a term associated with weed, back in the day. I tended to take care of that with alcohol, which was a bad combo.

I never found weed to be the harmless high that some people here are promoting. For me, it distorted time so badly that I thought driving 45 mph was like practice for the Autobahn. My highs were not much fun, either. I became paranoid once while riding my horse and thought she knew I was stoned and was just waiting for the right moment to buck me off. The first time I got high, from second hand smoke, I hallucinated... a funny one, no bad stuff. After experimenting with it a bit, I didn't see the appeal.

I totally agree with Ready2go.

ahem as a late short term hippie I smoked pot about 1/2 a dozen times, got more stoned than my 2 LSD trips, worse thing I ever did, never really expected it to be legalised then or anytime, the recreational drug scene became extremely nasty and unsustainable and I knew of several deaths due to drug use, the whole thing stank to high heaven

one way of clamping down is for employers to conduct random tests, heard they did this at a local delivery company, all the cannabis users (drivers) got sacked, also for the police to introduce random drugs tests, as they do for alcohol, for drivers
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Agreed pot makes you dumb or even dumber than you were, if that's possible

DC must be toking on one big hookah...

Disagree 100%.

1. Prohibition doesn't work. Get big government out of it and watch how much money we start saving and generating. Once again, we learned nothing from history.

2. Pot doesn't "make" you stupid. Life is what you put into it and take away from it. I've met some incredibly smart people who smoke and some very dumb ones who don't... Blaming it all on pot is a crutch.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
DC must be toking on one big hookah...

Disagree 100%.

1. Prohibition doesn't work. Get big government out of it and watch how much money we start saving and generating. Once again, we learned nothing from history.

2. Pot doesn't "make" you stupid. Life is what you put into it and take away from it. I've met some incredibly smart people who smoke and some very dumb ones who don't... Blaming it all on pot is a crutch.

I'm sure that prohibition doesn't work, but employer tests for certain occupations would as would roadside drug tests for drivers.

Pot makes everyone (I've met) dumber and slower in thought than they were before, whether originally smart, medium or dull or somewhere in between.

PS come to think of it I had R on ignore the mods must have reset it.

now sorted
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
Until ALL federal funding is cut off until the state comes into compliance.

Careful now.....two can play at that game. States can also play that card and cut off the Feds to their funding, simply by telling their citizens that "Colorado" (for example) no longer requires it's residents to pay Federal Income Tax., or direct all Fed Taxes to the State instead. Just how long would the Feds keep running after several states told them to kiss off!! Especially if local sheriffs refused to allow Federal Agents into their counties. Hmmmmm this could get interesting!
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Like your Rx drugs, MJ will not be a good choice for some. Recreational use doesn't mean going thru life high, any more than recreational alcohol use does. Does this logic apply to those usng Rx psych meds?

I don't get what logic you are talking about; how can you compare the usage of Rx psych meds to getting high on weed?

I don't have a problem with occasional recreational use of drugs or alcohol, as long as you stay home while you're doing it and wait until the effects wear off before you hit the road.

For Americans buying Mexican weed, I wonder if they don't feel a bit guilty for contributing to the cartel nightmare those people suffer on a daily basis.
 
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