DISASTER Has BP Triggered A World Killing Event?

At first I thought this might be a woo-woo article, but it is well written and makes a lot of sense. It's quite long and you'll need to go to the link to read all of it, but to me it was well worth it.

I also want to add that if this is what may occur, my own pov says BP was only the catalyst. Sure....there's lot's of people to blame but...it was meant to happen no matter who may have triggered it. Anyway.....

http://www.helium.com/items/1882339...ster-may-have-triggered-a-world-killing-event

Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event
by Terrence Aym

Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]



55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).

The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]

Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

The oil giant drilled down miles into a geologically unstable region and may have set the stage for the eventual premature release of a methane mega-bubble.

Ryskin’s methane extinction theory

Northwestern University's Gregory Ryskin, a bio-chemical engineer, has a theory: The oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago. [4]

Many geologists concur: "The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land. Whereas pure methane is lighter than air, methane loaded with water droplets is much heavier, and thus spreads over the land, mixing with air in the process (and losing water as rain). The air-methane mixture is explosive at methane concentrations between 5% and 15%; as such mixtures form in different locations near the ground and are ignited by lightning, explosions and conflagrations destroy most of the terrestrial life, and also produce great amounts of smoke and of carbon dioxide..." [5]

The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.

Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters. [6]

All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.

Ground zero: The Gulf Coast

The people and property located on the greater expanse of the Gulf Coast are sitting at Ground Zero. They will be the first exposed to poisonous, cancer causing chemical gases. They will be the ones that initially experience the full fury of a methane bubble exploding from the ruptured seabed.

The media has been kept away from the emergency salvage measures being taken to forestall the biggest catastrophe in human history. The federal government has warned them away from the epicenter of operations with the threat of a $40,000 fine for each infraction and the possibility of felony arrests.

Why is the press being kept away? Word is that the disaster is escalating.

Cracks and bulges

Methane is now streaming through the porous, rocky seabed at an accelerated rate and gushing from the borehole of the first relief well. The EPA is on record that Rig #1 is releasing methane, benzene, hydrogen sulfide and other toxic gases. Workers there now wear advanced protection including state-of-the-art, military-issued gas masks.

Reports, filtering through from oceanologists and salvage workers in the region, state that the upper level strata of the ocean floor is succumbing to greater and greater pressure. That pressure is causing a huge expanse of the seabed-estimated by some as spreading over thousands of square miles surrounding the BP wellhead-to bulge. Some claim the seabed in the region has risen an astounding 30 feet.

The fractured BP wellhead, site of the former Deepwater Horizon, has become the epicenter of frenetic attempts to quell the monstrous flow of methane.

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Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event

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Doomsday: How BP Gulf disaster may have triggered a 'world-killing' event


Ominous reports are leaking past the BP Gulf salvage operation news blackout that the disaster unfolding in the Gulf of Mexico may be about to reach biblical proportions.

251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

55 million years later another methane bubble ruptured causing more mass extinctions during the Late Paleocene Thermal Maximum (LPTM).



The LPTM lasted 100,000 years. [3]


Those subterranean seas of methane virtually reshaped the planet when they explosively blew from deep beneath the waters of what is today called the Gulf of Mexico.

Now, worried scientists are increasingly concerned the same series of catastrophic events that led to worldwide death back then may be happening again-and no known technology can stop it.

The bottom line: BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling operation may have triggered an irreversible, cascading geological Apocalypse that will culminate with the first mass extinction of life on Earth in many millions of years.

The oil giant drilled down miles into a geologically unstable region and may have set the stage for the eventual premature release of a methane mega-bubble.




Ryskin’s methane extinction theory

Northwestern University's Gregory Ryskin, a bio-chemical engineer, has a theory: The oceans periodically produce massive eruptions of explosive methane gas. He has documented the scientific evidence that such an event was directly responsible for the mass extinctions that occurred 55 million years ago. [4]



Many geologists concur: "The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land. Whereas pure methane is lighter than air, methane loaded with water droplets is much heavier, and thus spreads over the land, mixing with air in the process (and losing water as rain). The air-methane mixture is explosive at methane concentrations between 5% and 15%; as such mixtures form in different locations near the ground and are ignited by lightning, explosions and conflagrations destroy most of the terrestrial life, and also produce great amounts of smoke and of carbon dioxide..." [5]

The warning signs of an impending planetary catastrophe—of such great magnitude that the human mind has difficulty grasping it-would be the appearance of large fissures or rifts splitting open the ocean floor, a rise in the elevation of the seabed, and the massive venting of methane and other gases into the surrounding water.

Such occurrences can lead to the rupture of the methane bubble containment—it can then permit the methane to breach the subterranean depths and undergo an explosive decompression as it catapults into the Gulf waters. [6]

All three warning signs are documented to be occurring in the Gulf.



Ground zero: The Gulf Coast

The people and property located on the greater expanse of the Gulf Coast are sitting at Ground Zero. They will be the first exposed to poisonous, cancer causing chemical gases. They will be the ones that initially experience the full fury of a methane bubble exploding from the ruptured seabed.

The media has been kept away from the emergency salvage measures being taken to forestall the biggest catastrophe in human history. The federal government has warned them away from the epicenter of operations with the threat of a $40,000 fine for each infraction and the possibility of felony arrests.

Why is the press being kept away? Word is that the disaster is escalating.




Cracks and bulges

Methane is now streaming through the porous, rocky seabed at an accelerated rate and gushing from the borehole of the first relief well. The EPA is on record that Rig #1 is releasing methane, benzene, hydrogen sulfide and other toxic gases. Workers there now wear advanced protection including state-of-the-art, military-issued gas masks.

Reports, filtering through from oceanologists and salvage workers in the region, state that the upper level strata of the ocean floor is succumbing to greater and greater pressure. That pressure is causing a huge expanse of the seabed-estimated by some as spreading over thousands of square miles surrounding the BP wellhead-to bulge. Some claim the seabed in the region has risen an astounding 30 feet.

The fractured BP wellhead, site of the former Deepwater Horizon, has become the epicenter of frenetic attempts to quell the monstrous flow of methane.

The subterranean methane is pressurized at 100,000 pounds psi. According to Matt Simmons, an oil industry expert, the methane pressure at the wellhead has now skyrocketed to a terrifying 40,000 pounds psi.

Another well-respected expert, Dr. John Kessler of Texas A&M University has calculated that the ruptured well is spewing 60 percent oil and 40 percent methane. The normal methane amount that escapes from a compromised well is about 5 percent.

More evidence? A huge gash on the ocean floor—like a ragged wound hundreds of feet long—has been reported by the NOAA research ship, Thomas Jefferson. Before the curtain of the government enforced news blackout again descended abruptly, scientists aboard the ship voiced their concerns that the widening rift may go down miles into the earth.

That gash too is hemorrhaging oil and methane. It’s 10 miles away from the BP epicenter. Other, new fissures, have been spotted as far as 30 miles distant.

Measurements of the multiple oil plumes now appearing miles from the wellhead indicate that as much as a total of 124,000 barrels of oil are erupting into the Gulf waters daily-that’s about 5,208,000 gallons of oil per day.

Most disturbing of all: Methane levels in the water are now calculated as being almost one million times higher than normal. [7]





Mass death on the water

If the methane bubble—a bubble that could be as big as 20 miles wide—erupts with titanic force from the seabed into the Gulf, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will immediately sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists participating in the salvage operation will die instantly.

Next, the ocean bottom will collapse, instantaneously displacing up to a trillion cubic feet of water or more and creating a towering supersonic tsunami annihilating everything along the coast and well inland. Like a thermonuclear blast, a high pressure atmospheric wave could precede the tidal wave flattening everything in its path before the water arrives.

When the roaring tsunami does arrive it will scrub away all that is left.




A chemical cocktail of poisons

Some environmentalist experts are calling what’s pouring into the land, sea and air from the seabed breach ’a chemical cocktail of poisons.’

Areas of dead zones devoid of oxygen are driving species of fish into foreign waters, killing plankton and other tiny sea life that are the foundation for the entire food chain, and polluting the air with cancer-causing chemicals and poisonous rainfalls.

A report from one observer in South Carolina documents oily residue left behind after a recent thunderstorm. And before the news blackout fully descended the EPA released data that benzene levels in New Orleans had rocketed to 3,000 parts per billion.

Benzene is extremely toxic and even short term exposure can cause agonizing death from cancerous lesions years later.

The people of Louisiana have been exposed for more than two months—and the benzene levels may be much higher now. The EPA measurement was taken in early May. [8]





Doomsday


While some say it can’t happen because the bulk of the methane is frozen into crystalline form, others point out that the underground methane sea is gradually melting from the nearby surging oil that’s estimated to be as hot as 500 degrees Fahrenheit.

Most experts in the know, however, agree that if the world-changing event does occur it will happen suddenly and within the next 6 months.

So, if events go against Mankind and the bubble bursts in the coming months, Gregory Ryskin may become one of the most famous people in the world. Of course, he won't have long to enjoy his new found fame because very shortly after the methane eruption civilization will collapse.

Perhaps if humanity is very, very lucky, some may find a way to avoid the mass extinction that follows and carry on the human race.






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I think Hansa beat you to it by a few minutes.

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=365816

Very interesting read Hansa44, Thank You. Were all gonna die. Now it makes one wonder why they have spent billions on underground bunkers around the world. Good to know that greed of others is what finally will take us all out!

lol darn it , .. even at 6.30am.. im not fast enough... heh just goes to show we have some good... no..... great news sleuths here..




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The good news is that the geologist or scientist said it would be quick!

Somehow this makes cow farts seem insignificant.

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251 million years ago a mammoth undersea methane bubble caused massive explosions, poisoned the atmosphere and destroyed more than 96 percent of all life on Earth. [1] Experts agree that what is known as the Permian extinction event was the greatest mass extinction event in the history of the world. [2]

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Good article, but the methane bubble is just one of the theories, a Superbolide impact is another.

medic38572 said:

Very interesting read Hansa44, Thank You. Were all gonna die. Now it makes one wonder why they have spent billions on underground bunkers around the world. Good to know that greed of others is what finally will take us all out!

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Depends on the bunker. The one from 'Blast from the Past' could possibly ride out much of the direct impact of such a methane die-off. From what I understand methane breaks down in the atmosphere in about 10 years. Figure double or better yet, triple that for thirty years when planning on staying in your bunker. Actually shouldn't be all that hard (with an unlimited budget that is) to design a bunker that would thrive with a high methane atmosphere available.

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well, that's definitely a worst case scenario, that all the evidence mentioned seems to fully bear out.

looks like the webbots "global coastal event" is just getting going.

looks like the Bible's prediction of all life in the ocean (starting with 1/3 of all life) is in process.

but if the Bible's prophetic predictions are correct (and most of us know that they are), then there's still a lot yet to happen, none of it good, until the Lord returns.

i hope not to be around when the creatures pour out of the Abyss...

as for that part about when the Lord returns, i believe that there must be some great healing of the Earth that allows a thousand year period of tranquillity to exist before one last great Test of mankind.

i do believe that the folks within several hundred miles (a thousand?) of the Gulf are wasting precious time if they are not self-evacuating today.

I wish they would give some idea of how far they believe a tsunami would go inland.... How far do they normally go inland? A mile, 10 miles????

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I've read a lot of doomsday scenarios but reading this one certainly woke me up. Man really knows very little about planet earth ...

Note to self: Add scuba suit and a complete 1000 year biodome to preps.

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amarilla said:

I wish they would give some idea of how far they believe a tsunami would go inland.... How far do they normally go inland? A mile, 10 miles????

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Some have been known, in our lifetime, to go inland as much as 20 miles--when they are funneled up the fjords. On flat land? Not so far.

Read this, from http://www.penmachine.com/2005/06/how-far-did-tsunami-go-inland.html (The original question was "How far inland did the 2007 Indonesian tsunami go?")

How far inland the tsunami went (or any tsunami would go) varies widely depending on:

* How close the land location you're talking about was to the quake (it would be different for Sumatra than Somalia) and in what direction (Sri Lanka was in the east-west path, Bangladesh wasn't).

* What sorts of intermediate objects (islands, channels) lie between it and the quake (Thailand and the west coast of Sri Lanka and India were hit even though they weren't in the direct path, because the waves diffracted around channels and headlands; much of Malaysia and the rest of Indonesia was protected by intermediate islands, and outside the Indian Ocean there was little effect because of intervening land masses).

* The shape of the seafloor near land (shallower and steeper slopes lead to very different kinds of tsunami waves once they hit shore). Watch the simulation at the Seed tsunami page to see what I mean.

* The shape, slope, and composition of the land itself where the tsunami hit (a cliff would be very different than a gentle shore slope) and how far that shape, slope, and composition reach inland (a steep slope that ends in a wall wouldn't let the tsunami get far; a shallow slope that extends a long way would).

* What kinds of buildings, plants, and other material were on the seashore (dense forest or habitation can slow or redirect or channel the tsunami's waves).

So, in some places (like where my friend Mark was in Malaysia), there were just higher than normal surf waves (and he was able to walk out of chest-high water), while only a few hundred metres away people were swept out to sea by massive surges. Similarly, in places with shallow, gradual slopes both under and above the sea, close to the quake, the tsunami traveled several miles inland, as in Banda Aceh in Sumatra and in some places in Sri Lanka.

In other places nearby, it may have gone hardly anywhere because of steep cliffs, or because it was a long way and perhaps also in an off-axis direction (Somalia, Bangladesh). The local topography (above and below the sea) determines almost everything.

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I've posted (twice) the underwater topographical map of the Gulf of Mexico. Where there are barrier islands, the actual shore would be protected from the tsunami...the places where there is a long, shallow slope up to sea level would see higher waves.

I'll post the map again. The light blue (along the Florida coast and the Mexican coast) indicates shallower water. You can see why those coasts would be more concerned about a tsunami.

You'd think man has at least a subconscious "CAUTION" feeling about drilling deep into the earth, especially under the ocean. Hasn't there been enough literature and poetry and myths from all ancient cultures about hell, fire and brimstone, volcanic cauldrons, dark fiery nasty things living in lava caverns hidden deep in the center of earth? Didn't anybody at BP watch The Lord Of The Rings? Balrogs there be!

Stupid idiotic destructive man destroys Earth from every which way.

There are some inconsistencies with the methane hydrates hypothesis for the Permian–Triassic extinction event which draw into question whether this was the cause...FYI

Wikipedia Link


Methane hydrate gasification

Scientists have found worldwide evidence of a swift decrease of about 10 ‰ (parts per thousand) in the 13C/12C isotope ratio in carbonate rocks from the end-Permian (δ13Ccarbonate of -10 ‰).[43][94] This is the first, largest and most rapid of a series of negative and positive excursions (decreases and increases in 13C/12C ratio) that continues until the isotope ratio abruptly stabilises in the middle Triassic, followed soon afterwards by the recovery of calcifying life forms (organisms that use calcium carbonate to build hard parts such as shells).[11]

A variety of factors may have contributed to this drop in the 13C/12C ratio, but most turn out to be insufficient to account fully for it:[95]

* Gases from volcanic eruptions have a 13C/12C ratio about 5 to 8 ‰ below standard (δ13C about -5 to -8 ‰). But the amount required to produce a reduction of about 10 ‰ worldwide would require eruptions greater by orders of magnitude than any for which evidence has been found.[96]
* A reduction in organic activity would extract 12C more slowly from the environment and leave more of it to be incorporated into sediments, thus reducing the 13C/12C ratio. Biochemical processes use the lighter isotopes, since chemical reactions are ultimately driven by electromagnetic forces between atoms and lighter isotopes respond more quickly to these forces. But a study of a smaller drop of 3 to 4 ‰ in 13C/12C (δ13C -3 to -4 ‰) at the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) concluded that even transferring all the organic carbon (in organisms, soils, and dissolved in the ocean) into sediments would be insufficient: even such a large burial of material rich in 12C would not have produced the smaller drop in the 13C/12C ratio of the rocks around the PETM.[96]
* Buried sedimentary organic matter has a 13C/12C ratio 20 to 25 ‰ below normal (δ13C -20 to -25 ‰). Theoretically, if the sea level fell sharply, shallow marine sediments would be exposed to oxidization. But 6,500-8,400 gigatons (1 gigaton = 109 metric tons) of organic carbon would have to be oxidized and returned to the ocean-atmosphere system within less than a few hundred thousand years to reduce the 13C/12C ratio by 10 ‰. This is not thought to be a realistic possibility.[7]
* Rather than a sudden decline in sea level, intermittent periods of ocean-bottom hyperoxia and anoxia (high-oxygen and low- / zero-oxygen conditions) may have caused the 13C/12C ratio fluctuations in the Early Triassic;[11] and global anoxia may have been responsible for the end-Permian blip. The continents of the end-Permian and early Triassic were more clustered in the tropics than they are now (see map above), and large tropical rivers would have dumped sediment into smaller, partially enclosed ocean basins in low latitudes. Such conditions favor oxic and anoxic episodes; oxic / anoxic conditions would result in a rapid release / burial respectively of large amounts of organic carbon, which has a low 13C/12C ratio because biochemical processes use the lighter isotopes.[97] This, or another organic-based reason, may have been responsible for both this and a late Proterozoic/Cambrian pattern of fluctuating 13C/12C ratios.[11]

Other hypotheses include mass oceanic poisoning releasing vast amounts of CO2[98] and a long-term reorganisation of the global carbon cycle.[95]

However, only one sufficiently powerful cause has been proposed for the global 10 ‰ reduction in the 13C/12C ratio: the release of methane from methane clathrates;[7] and carbon-cycle models confirm that it would have been sufficient to produce the observed reduction.[95][98] Methane clathrates, also known as methane hydrates, consist of methane molecules trapped in cages of water molecules. The methane is produced by methanogens (microscopic single-celled organisms) and has a 13C/12C ratio about 60 ‰ below normal (δ13C -60 ‰). At the right combination of pressure and temperature it gets trapped in clathrates fairly close to the surface of permafrost and in much larger quantities at continental margins (continental shelves and the deeper seabed close to them). Oceanic methane hydrates are usually found buried in sediments where the seawater is at least 300 meters (984 ft) deep. They can be found up to about 2,000 meters (6,562 ft) below the sea floor, but usually only about 1,100 meters (3,609 ft) below the sea floor.[99]

The area covered by lava from the Siberian Traps eruptions is about twice as large as was originally thought, and most of the additional area was shallow sea at the time. It is very likely that the seabed contained methane hydrate deposits and that the lava caused the deposits to dissociate, releasing vast quantities of methane.[100]

One would expect a vast release of methane to cause significant global warming, since methane is a very powerful greenhouse gas. A "methane burp" could have released 10,000 billion tons of carbon dioxide equivalent - twice as much as in all the fossil fuels on Earth.[36] There is strong evidence that global temperatures increased by about 6 °C (10.8 °F) near the equator and therefore by more at higher latitudes: a sharp decrease in oxygen isotope ratios (18O/16O);[101] the extinction of Glossopteris flora (Glossopteris and plants which grew in the same areas), which needed a cold climate, and its replacement by floras typical of lower paleolatitudes.[10][102]

However, the pattern of isotope shifts expected to result from a massive release of methane do not match the patterns seen throughout the early Triassic. Not only would a methane cause require the release of five times as much methane as postulated for the PETM,[11] but it would also have to be re-buried at an unrealistically high rate to account for the rapid increases in the 13C/12C ratio (episodes of high positive δ13C) throughout the early Triassic, before being released again several times.[11]

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Well, considering it is just a theory then I aint to worried at this point. I have been taught that the event that killed everything off 65mm years ago was from an asteroid that struck near the Yucatan, not a methane bubble.

Also, supposedly our oil and gas comes from decaying plants and dinosaurs from millions of years ago. How was there a methane bubble during the dinosaur era if they hadnt died yet? Just wondering...

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being responsible for the Permian and other extinctions on TV. While there are a lot of questions about the theory, it's entirely plausible. On one show they stated that there would be a great danger of fire in the sky if huge amounts of methane were released from ocean clathtrates. Lots of the info was related to the global warming hype, but I can cross apply. Pretty scary.

Small thread drift: IMO the reason they are looking into and postulating these theories is because the impact theory for the extinction of the dinos doesn't really fit. As I've said for years: From what then living creature did birds evolve if the atmospheric temps reached 600-800 degrees?

UGH this whole thing makes me sick!! This could be catastrophic and it just freaks me out how the ocean is turning red (Rev 8:8), and also how in the bible it is said God will destroy the world with fire the second time and not with water like with Noah. This whole methane thing could set the world on fire. I am not a bible thumper type or anything like that, but this stuff is scary!
I just hope they get it fixed somehow, because if not we are facing something of biblical proportions.

The Traveler said:

Well, considering it is just a theory then I aint to worried at this point. I have been taught that the event that killed everything off 65mm years ago was from an asteroid that struck near the Yucatan, not a methane bubble.

Also, supposedly our oil and gas comes from decaying plants and dinosaurs from millions of years ago. How was there a methane bubble during the dinosaur era if they hadnt died yet? Just wondering...

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Could be that the asteroid strike in the Yucatan triggered a methane burst. There are some inconsistencies with the asteroid strike idea of 65mil years ago causing all of the extinctions from what I've read.

Most of the oil and gas we've recovered so far mostly likely came from decaying algae built up in shallow, oxygen low, stagnant seas. Which is one of the reasons why different forms of complex hydrocarbons are rather spotty instead of uniformly spread. A strain called Botryococcus braunii is thought by some to be one of the more likely candidates as the source for most of the complex hydrocarbons we're using today in the petro-chemical industry. The idea that oil and gas came from dinosaurs and land based plants came from the same time period as the idea that ingesting radium was one of the healthiest things a person could do and is just as accurate. Now the abiotic theory of oil generation doesn't really match up to most/all of the sources tapped into so far and although it seems to have some solid work behind the idea, it's not likely to be the source of what we've been using so far.

Methane itself is the simplest hydrocarbon and is quite plentiful in many places throughout space. It's formed quite often without any life needing to be involved, it's been spotted all over the solar system. It's thought that the only real indicator that the presence of methane is tied to life is when there are amounts of free methane in the presence of oxygen. Methane tends to react with oxygen and disappear otherwise. Traces of methane were found on Mars a few years ago that some say could indicate life but in reality there isn't info info to make that judgment yet.

Additionally the big extinction 225 mil years ago thought to be associated with a possible methane burst happened a few billion years after algae appeared. Plenty of time for methane hydrates to build up no matter how the methane itself was generated.

I have had the feeling that we weren't being told the entire truth by the government or BP since this mess started. But why would BP be trying to put a permanent cap in place only to force the oil/methane mixture out through the seafloor fractures? Why are we not getting independent confirmation or denial of the fractures (pictures and data)? Where is the Navy in all of this? The Coast Guard is a great outfit but they don't have the resources that the Navy has.

Admiral Allen (retired) stated this morning on CNN that the exclusion zones are to keep people from stealing or damaging oil booms - doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would people steal or damage the oil booms? A great way to contain information though. This whole operation takes place under secrecy with cherry-picked selections released to the press. If there is a problem, why wait until it blows up and kills millions? Or will it matter? Something is very wrong! - BG

Whoa.

Just had a thought.

What if...

...the entire Deep Water Horizon event was being used as a cover and the fissures that exist in the gulf sea floor weren't a result of the drilling but rather a natural indication of what is about to occur and were only discovered AFTER the blow-out?

Thus, the rush to control information, do scientific analysis, prepare for mass evacuations, etc.

But, why evacuate when the inevitable is merely that... inevitable? Therefore, the result is the complete confusion by TPTB about how to handle it all?

The moratorium as example... why destroy jobs and the oil industry when the economy is weak and unemployment is up? It's nonsensical. Perhaps, that is an effort to control information about what the sea floor is up to?

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More evidence? A huge gash on the ocean floor—like a ragged wound hundreds of feet long—has been reported by the NOAA research ship, Thomas Jefferson. Before the curtain of the government enforced news blackout again descended abruptly, scientists aboard the ship voiced their concerns that the widening rift may go down miles into the earth.

That gash too is hemorrhaging oil and methane. It’s 10 miles away from the BP epicenter. Other, new fissures, have been spotted as far as 30 miles distant.

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CR*P!!! This sounds kind of like the Yellowstone super volcano but under the sea floor.

Border guard said:

I have had the feeling that we weren't being told the entire truth by the government or BP since this mess started. But why would BP be trying to put a permanent cap in place only to force the oil/methane mixture out through the seafloor fractures? Why are we not getting independent confirmation or denial of the fractures (pictures and data)? Where is the Navy in all of this? The Coast Guard is a great outfit but they don't have the resources that the Navy has.

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I've held the view for a couple weeks now that BP and fedgov know how bad it truly is and are deliberately suppressing that info for fear of causing at beast a panic and at worst triggering possible large-scale unrest leading to nationwide armed revolt. I think they know that Pandora's Box was opened and hope has already escaped - now they're just trying to salvage what they can while they can. I've been hearing back-channel scuttlebutt to the effect that all of the nightmare scenarios are actually showing up in think-tanks' simulations as not just possibilities but slight-but-real probabilities, which in and of itself has never happened before - if this is true it'd certainly explain why there seems to be an effort to control information flow.

To answer the question as to "why cap it now?" I think the answer is so that there could be an effort to bleed down the pressure under (barely) controllable conditions instead of letting the pressure find its own path out (which would result in all of the catastrophe scenarios we're hearing).

Admiral Allen (retired) stated this morning on CNN that the exclusion zones are to keep people from stealing or damaging oil booms - doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Why would people steal or damage the oil booms? A great way to contain information though. This whole operation takes place under secrecy with cherry-picked selections released to the press. If there is a problem, why wait until it blows up and kills millions? Or will it matter? Something is very wrong! - BG

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Some people will monkey with the booms because there's always some shithead somewhere that wants to make problems for others, and there are plenty of crazies out there that'd be all too willing to watch the world burn.

We're in deep "kimchi". Looks like it's time to double-check the preps. Thanks OO. - BG

[FONT=Verdana,Arial] I think they know that Pandora's Box was opened and hope has already escaped - now they're just trying to salvage what they can while they can. I've been hearing back-channel scuttlebutt to the effect that all of the nightmare scenarios are actually showing up in think-tanks' simulations as not just possibilities but slight-but-real probabilities, which in and of itself has never happened before - if this is true it'd certainly explain why there seems to be an effort to control information flow. [/FONT]

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The thing I found really interesting is this is actually a normal part of the cycle. And this time we may be in the middle of it.

One thing tho' I have got to quit staying up till 6:30 in the morn.

the mass extinction event

was the Biblical Flood, and it wasn't millions of years ago, and it included the fountains of the deep being broken, and massive earthquakes and tsunamis and mud flows and volcanic releases, carving and folding and uplifting the earth's crust with a series of ice ages that followed, and the breaking up into land masses, AND the earth still settling from those events THOUSANDS of years ago.

There are a number of prophesies with regard to solar and earth disasters that have yet to happen which will ALSO cause some mass extinctions for both land and water animals, plants and man, by plagues, famine, economic collapse, wars, mass persecutions, and natural and supernatural disasters.

My understanding is that the seals have to be opened first, and they could be opened one right after another, there is no indication to assume otherwise.

I think we could be at the third seal.

It is possible the BP drilling accident could be the catalyst of the sixth seal, where there is a great earthwide felt earthquake. It could also be a part of the third seal leading up to that where they are told not to damage the oil. BP seems to be more concerned about protecting their investment getting into that oil reservoir from the get go than they were about the warnings and indicators they had to stop drilling, and then to seal it after the accident.

When the seventh seal is opened, then comes the 7 trumpets and the second of those trumpets is regarding a blazing mountain, and 1/3 of the sea dying and 1/3 of the ships being destroyed. Certainly, the oil and chemicals floating around in the GOM could be the target of the blazing mountain that is thrown into the sea. Between the impact and the chemical reaction to whatever is causing that mountain to blaze, who knows. In that regard, the BP event could also be a precursor to the second trumpet of the seventh seal.

There are definitely some other prophesy events that chronologically, haven't happened yet. It is possible that what is happening now in the GOM will certainly add to the economic collapse that is part of the third seal.

Revelation 6
The Seals
1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.

5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages, and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"

7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"

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Revelation 8
The Seventh Seal and the Golden Censer
1When he opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven for about half an hour.

2And I saw the seven angels who stand before God, and to them were given seven trumpets.

3Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. 4The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel's hand. 5Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it on the earth; and there came peals of thunder, rumblings, flashes of lightning and an earthquake.

The Trumpets
6Then the seven angels who had the seven trumpets prepared to sound them.

7The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

8The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, 9a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

10The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— 11the name of the star is Wormwood.[a] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

12The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

13As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in a loud voice: "Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!"

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This isn't one to worry about. If it's going to kill everything, then don't worry, be happy and enjoy what time you have left.

- Tristan

There are plenty of warnings in the sky:

http://earthsky.org/tonight/venus-and-regulus-in-conjunction-on-july-9



July 9th, 2010 - Tonight You can see an array of five of the sky’s brightest objects – four planets and a star – together over the western horizon on early to mid-July evenings.
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and i can agree with several points in this article, (several - not all -and the Assyrians became modern Germany)
If the methane blows, it will be the same or worse than man made ThermoNuclear War and would be called a 'Rapture for Christians'.

Either man made or God Made would be an ending of life on this planet



link - http://www.xyz.org/index.html?a=1903

Celestial Voyager
and
Human Extinction Survival

Many geologists concur: "The consequences of a methane-driven oceanic eruption for marine and terrestrial life are likely to be catastrophic. Figuratively speaking, the erupting region "boils over," ejecting a large amount of methane and other gases (e.g., CO2, H2S) into the atmosphere, and flooding large areas of land.

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Manuscripts 3:4 When blood drops upon the Earth, the Destroyer will appear, and mountains will open up and belch forth fire and ashes. Trees will be destroyed and all living things engulfed. Waters will be swallowed up by the land, and seas will boil.[/QUOTE] The Kolbrin.
http://www.thekolbrin.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=45

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A methane 'burp' would be similar to what happened at Lake Nyos in 1986 but on a much smaller scale and with a different gas....

Aug. 21, 1986: Volcanic Lake Explodes, Killing Thousands
By Randy Alfred 08.21.08

The waters of Lake Nyos, Cameroon, turned a murky brown following a deadly release of toxic gas in August 1986.

1986: A deadly cloud of carbon dioxide sweeps down the slopes of an African volcano, smothering more than 1,700 people.

Volcanoes can kill in many ways, but this one is pretty weird. A volcanic lake in the West African nation of Cameroon degassed violently (you could say it burped, or worse) in the middle of the night. Carbon dioxide is odorless and heavier than air. Most of the victims died in their sleep.

Lake Nyos sits in the crater of a volcano that hadn't erupted in centuries ... and probably didn't actually erupt the night of Aug. 21, 1986.

Magma deep underneath the lake releases carbon dioxide into its depths. Lake Nyos is 690-feet deep, enough for the water pressure to keep the CO2 dissolved in the lake water, rather than letting it bubble up and escape to the surface. And the crater rim towers above the lake, blocking winds which could otherwise stir the surface and create convection currents that would circulate the deep, CO2-saturated water upward to areas of lower pressure. The lack of seasonal variation less than seven degrees north of the equator also contributes to the lake's placidity.

Volcanic rumbling or other seismic activity could have triggered the sudden release of the gas that deadly night, but there's no record of any tremors and no evidence that anything shook off the shelves of homes in nearby villages. It's possible the gas at the lake's bottom just got so concentrated that even under pressure it came out of solution and formed bubbles. Once the bubbles started rising, a "chimney effect" would have rapidly siphoned huge amounts of gas to the surface.

The gas burst through the surface with a rumble, generating a giant wave that scoured vegetation from the shores. The CO2 cloud was at least 300-feet high, because it suffocated cattle on hillsides that far above lake level. Iron from the deep water oxidized and stained the lake waters with rust.

Then the gas crept down the mountain valleys, invading homes. It extinguished oil lamps and suffocated people in their sleep. Some who were awakened by the loud gas bubble stood up and lived, because their heads were above the invisible gas near the ground. But many who went outside paid with their lives.

Few survived. Those from neighboring villages who discovered the devastation recalled with terror the legends about evil demons living in mountain lakes.

Had this happened before? Yes, at least on a smaller scale. A CO2 cloud released by Lake Monoun, about 60 miles south, killed 37 people two years earlier. (The much larger Lake Kivu -- on the Congo-Rwanda border -- harbors not only carbon dioxide, but methane, in its depths.) And Cameroonians frequently find frogs suffocated by CO2 in low-lying mud puddles.

Engineers hope to prevent a recurrence of the tragedy by continuously degassing Lake Nyos. They've sunk a pipe from a floating platform into the depths of the lake. It shoots a geyser of carbonated water high into the air.

Read More http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/08/dayintech_0821#ixzz0tUppTjws

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Tristan said:

This isn't one to worry about. If it's going to kill everything, then don't worry, be happy and enjoy what time you have left.

- Tristan

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Exactly my POV.

Tristan said:

This isn't one to worry about. If it's going to kill everything, then don't worry, be happy and enjoy what time you have left.

- Tristan

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I am in total agreement with you. Living in the moment is so important. I just went shopping and I found myself trying to make choices by what may or may not happen.

Told myself...."STOP IT! If you need it get it! Don't start living like all you're going to do is die."

And then I went and enjoyed myself the rest of the time.

That's the problem with 41+ page threads...

..Things get lost.

This same article by the same author was posted on June 18th

How the ultimate BP Gulf disaster could kill millions
by Terrence Aym




Disturbing evidence is mounting that something frightening is happening deep under the waters of the Gulf of Mexico—something far worse than the BP oil gusher.

Warnings were raised as long as a year before the Deepwater Horizon disaster that the area of seabed chosen by the BP geologists might be unstable, or worse, inherently dangerous.

What makes the location that Transocean chose potentially far riskier than other potential oil deposits located at other regions of the Gulf? It can be summed up with two words: methane gas.

The same methane that makes coal mining operations hazardous and leads to horrendous mining accidents deep under the earth also can present a high level of danger to certain oil exploration ventures.

Location of Deepwater Horizon oil rig was criticized

More than 12 months ago some geologists rang the warning bell that the Deepwater Horizon exploratory rig might have been erected directly over a huge underground reservoir of methane.

Documents from several years ago indicate that the subterranean geologic formation may contain the presence of a huge methane deposit.

None other than the engineer who helped lead the team to snuff the Gulf oil fires set by Saddam Hussein to slow the advance of American troops has stated that a huge underground lake of methane gas—compressed by a pressure of 100,000 pounds per square inch (psi)—could be released by BP's drilling effort to obtain the oil deposit.

Current engineering technology cannot contain gas that is pressurized to 100,000 psi.

By some geologists' estimates the methane could be a massive 15 to 20 mile toxic and explosive bubble trapped for eons under the Gulf sea floor. In their opinion, the explosive destruction of the Deepwater Horizon wellhead was an accident just waiting to happen.

Yet the disaster that followed the loss of the rig pales by comparison to the apocalyptic disaster that may come.

According to worried geologists, the first signs that the methane may burst its way through the bottom of the ocean would be fissures or cracks appearing on the ocean floor near the damaged well head.

Evidence of fissures opening up on the seabed have been captured by the robotic submersibles working to repair and contain the ruptured well. Smaller, independent plumes have also appeared outside the nearby radius of the bore hole itself.

According to some geological experts, BP's operations set into motion a series of events that may be irreversible. Step-by-step the drilling team committed one error after another.

Congressmen Henry Waxman, D-CA, and Bart Stupak, D-MI, in a letter sent to BP CEO Tony Hayward, identified 5 missteps made by BP during the period culminating with the explosion.

Waxman, chair of the Congressional energy panel and Stupak, the head of the subcommittee on oversight and investigations, said, "The common feature of these five decisions is that they posed a trade-off between cost and well safety."

The two Representatives also stated in the 14-page letter to Hayward that "Time after time, it appears that BP made decisions that increased the risk of a blowout to save the company time or expense."

Called by some insiders investigating the ongoing disaster a "perfect storm of catastrophe," the wellhead blew on the sea floor catapulting a stream of mud, oil and gas upwards at the speed of sound.
In describing the events—that transpired in a matter of seconds—they note that immediately following the rupture the borehole pipe's casing blew away exposing a straight line 8 miles deep for the pressurized gas to escape. The result was cavitation, an irregular pressure variance sometimes experience by deep diving vessels such as nuclear submarines. This cavitation created a supersonic bubble of explosive methane gas that resulted in a supersonic explosion killing 11 men and completely annihilating the drilling platform.

With the emerging evidence of fissures, the quiet fear now is the methane bubble rupturing the seabed and exploding into the Gulf waters. If the bubble escapes, every ship, drilling rig and structure within the region of the bubble will instantaneously sink. All the workers, engineers, Coast Guard personnel and marine biologists measuring the oil plumes' advance will instantly perish.

As horrible as that is, what would follow is an event so potentially horrific that it equals in its fury the Indonesian tsunami that killed more than 600,000, or the destruction of Pompeii by Mt. Vesuvius.

The ultimate Gulf disaster, however, would make even those historical horrors pale by comparison. If the huge methane bubble breaches the seabed, it will erupt with an explosive fury similar to that experienced during the eruption of Mt. Saint Helens in the Pacific Northwest. A gas gusher will surge upwards through miles of ancient sedimentary rock—layer after layer—past the oil reservoir. It will explode upwards propelled by 50 tons psi, burst through the cracks and fissures of the compromised sea floor, and rupture miles of ocean bottom with one titanic explosion.

The burgeoning methane gas cloud will surface, killing everything it touches, and set off a supersonic tsunami with the wave traveling somewhere between 400 to 600 miles per hour.

While the entire Gulf coastline is vulnerable, the state most exposed to the fury of a supersonic wave towering 100 feet or more is Florida. The Sunshine State only averages about 6 inches above sea level. A supersonic tsunami would literally sweep away everything from Miami to the panhandle in a matter of minutes. Loss of human life would be virtually instantaneous and measured in the millions. Of course the states of Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and southern region of Georgia—a state with no Gulf coastline—would also experience tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of casualties.

Loss of property is virtually incalculable and the days of the US position as the world's superpower would be literally gone in a flash...of detonating methane.

Evidence that methane gas catastrophe may be building.
http://www.helium.com/items/1864136-how-the-ultimate-bp-gulf-disaster-could-kill-millions?page=3

Would somebody please post (with link) evidence that refutes sea floor rise in that area of the GOM.

Please?

Please?

FarmerJohn said:

Would somebody please post (with link) evidence that refutes sea floor rise in that area of the GOM.

Please?

Please?

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BP is advertising that they have capped the well. It seems to me that this might make it more likely that such a methane gas event occur. After all, capping the top of the well would seem to push (via additional pressure) still more oil and methane out through the fissures on the sea floor. JMHO . . .

Much of the discussion of a methane release in these articles outlines the effects as if the gas were nonflammable. Water displacement, tsunami and toxic effects are valid concerns.

One difference with a methane release this time is that it would have a much earlier contact with a source of ignition. With all of the ships and rigs in the gulf it is unavoidable. This is what happened on the Deepwater rig. So we can expect the methane cloud to ignite comparatively early. It would not be at a perfectly balanced 'explosive' mixture but would 'flare' from the point(s) of ignition.

Obviously any gas that burns is not available to impose toxicity upon anyone and, being hot, it will rise. Wether it burns faster than it is replaced by escaping methane, mitigating the damage radius, or simply becomes an advancing fireball is speculative.

If a sudden release carries large quantities of water vapor with it the sudden steam expansion would add another dimension to the event.

As I protract the possibilities in the progression of such an event the limits of my understanding become apparent and I understand why the people involved might want to burry their heads in the sand. Not why they do! But at some point they must come to the point where they say to themselves "I am not going to be the one to say that!"
Shadow