HEALTH Canada to Stop Selling Unlicensed Natural Health Remedies

knickgnat

Veteran Member
Canada to Stop Selling Unlicensed Natural Health Remedies

Tom Blackwell
National Post
Sun, 07 Feb 2010 13:14 EST

Makers of natural-health products say they are bracing for widespread layoffs and millions of dollars in losses after Canada's pharmacy regulators issued a surprise directive recently urging druggists to stop selling unlicensed natural remedies.

The order affects thousands of herbal treatments, multi-vitamins and other products, most of them waiting for approval from Health Canada under a backlogged, five-year-old program to regulate natural-health goods.

The National Association of Pharmacy Regulatory Authorities (NAPRA) says pharmacists cannot be assured the products are safe until they are granted a government licence, and should not sell them in those circumstances. "Pharmacists are obliged to hold the health and safety of the public or patient as their first and foremost consideration," said the association's recently issued position statement.

Representatives of the natural health industry, however, have reacted angrily to the directive issued last month, predicting it will have little impact on patient safety, while triggering an economic "crisis" for their members.

"We are talking about job loss, we are talking about a lot of income loss, we are talking about product stuck in warehouses that cannot be sold," Jean-Yves Dionne, a spokesman for the Canadian Health Food Association, said in an interview.

A statement issued by the association calls the directive self-serving and contrary to federal government policy.

"It has taken a sledge hammer to a finishing nail," the group said. "It will create confusion for consumers. It is the wrong thing to do."

NAPRA is comprised of representatives of the provincial colleges of pharmacy that regulate the profession. It is now up to the individual provinces to implement the statement. The Ontario and Quebec colleges have already done so, with Ontario pressing pharmacists to not buy or order any more of the affected products, and its neighbour pushing for druggists to also remove unlicensed product already on their shelves, Mr. Dionne said.

Pharmacies, as surprised by the directive as anyone, are caught in the middle, said Jeff Poston of the Canadian Pharmacits Association.

"One of the questions that everybody is asking in the pharmacy world is, 'Why now?' As far as people can determine, nothing has significantly changed."

A spokesman for NAPRA was not available for comment.

The controversy revolves around Health Canada's natural-health products regime, launched in 2004 to vet treatments that had been virtually unregulated before, in a new system some critics said was still too lax. As it ploughed through tens of thousands of applications for licences, the department said manufacturers could continue selling their products, so long as they had at least applied for approval.

The department has issued about 18,000 natural-health licences, while at least 10,000 products are still waiting for certification, industry representatives said. The whole process was supposed to be done by this January.

The natural-food association argues that it makes no sense for the pharmacy regulators to try to block sales of products awaiting licences, when Health Canada itself has said they can be sold pending an approval decision.

The industry is worth an estimated $1.5-billion to $2-billion a year, but many producers are small operations with sales of $1-million to $2-million annually and could be decimated by the directive, Mr. Dionne said. He cited a call he got last week from a manufacturer in Nova Scotia who sells two products -- a homeopathic remedy for diabetes-related pain and a vitamin-based pill -- that are waiting for approval and could be forced off the shelves.

"They are really panicking out there," he said.

Some manufacturers could sell their products in health-food stores instead, but others rely exclusively on pharmacies, said Mr. Dionne.

Gerry Harrington of Consumer Health Products Canada, another industry group that represents natural-health producers, said his members strongly support the regulations. NAPRA may be targeting others, though, who are trying to evade any government oversight, he said.

"There is a sub-set of companies out there who have no intention of complying with the regulations, who have taken advantage of the interim approach to essentially ignore the regulations," Mr. Harrington said. "Some companies have chosen ... to lobby politically for an essentially unregulated or minimally regulated industry."

Meanwhile, Mr. Poston said pharmacists are pressing for the regulators to lessen the disruption by phasing in the policy.

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Double_A

TB Fanatic
Interesting.

My cousin up there is a pharmacist and takes lots of stuff sold by Melalucka (sp?)

I'm going to have to give her a call.
 

PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
I'm soo glad I don't live in Canada.

Here in the US, the AMA periodically tried to get congress to pass laws too ban vitamins and natural health care. I remember the petition drives (at vitamin stores) to beg congressmen not to do so. The problem is that these items deal with health problems systemically... pharma just deals with symptoms... For the AMA people being able to keep themselves healthier is bad for business. Could this all fit under the umbrella of "predatory capitalism"?

Since nobody (on this planet) has read the "Obama-Care" bill, can we assume something like this regulatory actuion will be part of it? Ya know Obama is all about his own packet of special interests.

:vik:
 

Sherrynboo

Veteran Member
I guess they decided to enforce the codex bill. I hope our country has better sense than trying to do that here. Guess I should pick up a few more boxes of the Vit C powder that I use before it goes black market!

Sherry in GA
 

johnnymac

Inactive
Expect this to come to the US as part of some We Know What's Best For You law.

If Boy Blunder is willing to remove vending machines in schools, there is no reason for him not to think that vitamins and natural health remedies are not in his jurisdiction as well.
 

undead

Veteran Member
There is an associated thread dealing with school vending machines and what Obama is proposing that would allow the Federal government to control what can or cannot be in those machines.


I consider the two issues to be nearly identical.


If you have a problem with what you are reading in this thread, then you should properly have a problem with what the Messiah is proposing to do in the other thread.

:dot5:
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
As ususal, follow the money:
The industry is worth an estimated $1.5-billion to $2-billion a year
The "progressives" and big Pharma strike again. Hopefully, health food stores will be unaffected. At least, for now. If they can get this far, they'll be back.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
I live in Canada.....

and am not worried. I get all my supplements from a naturopath who works from his home, and have nothing to do with Pharmacists.

Most pharmacists don't know what the products they are selling on open shelves are for. They sometimes look up in a reference book to answer a question about "what does this do", but otherwise most people who need something in a natural line go to a Health Food store where staff are much more knowledgeable.

Most vitamins are already approved by Health Canada and are well known brands. Other products such as essential oils, tinctures and herbs are generally not sold in large retail pharmacies. There is one pharmacist who is also a naturopath in our city and I am sure he already has a license to sell anything a customer needs.

This is a bit of a scare story, but needs to be watched.......and the Conservate .gov does respond to it constituents well. We have heard this type of thing before and everyone kind of ignored it and it went away.
 

nharrold

Inactive
I noticed that the article made no contention that (x) persons had been injured or killed by natural products.

So who or what are the bureaucrats protecting???
 

scandiwoman

scandiwoman
Big Pharm wants all the profits at a greatly increased price....thus independent buying by the consumer must stop and be by prescription only. Don't forget that Canada, Mexico and US are going to become one.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Please remember this applies to sale of products inside a pharmacy

They can be sold in at other venues, which is why the article mentions health food stores
 

scandiwoman

scandiwoman
Eventually the health food stores will be run by big pharm. They are taking over the industry. A friend of mine is a small time manufacturer and the word inside these small time manufacturers is that they will be put out of business because they won't be able to afford the new regulations that are coming....the big time manufacturers and health food stores are being taken over by big pharm....they are going to own it all one way or another.
 

johnnymac

Inactive
I never hear complaints about vitamins, supplements, and so forth from "Big Pharma". I hear about it from doctors.

Dr Dean Adell (sp) one of those radio/media doctors frequently heard on the radio is a big time basher of vitamins and supplements. During one week I heard him devote two broadcasts to people using supplement regimes to fighting illness, etc.

Doctors knock it because it infringes on their certified area of expertise. Sure, we should go to doctors, but why stop there? Why not investigate whether use of a neuroenhancer helps treat Alzeheimers? Again, nobody has died from taking vitamin C, but plenty have died in a hospital, in surgery or while taking a bed side table full of doctor prescribed pills and potions.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
Eventually the health food stores will be run by big pharm. They are taking over the industry. A friend of mine is a small time manufacturer and the word inside these small time manufacturers is that they will be put out of business because they won't be able to afford the new regulations that are coming....the big time manufacturers and health food stores are being taken over by big pharm....they are going to own it all one way or another.

yes i'm afraid you could be right. The supplements industry is huge in itself which means two things they will be able to mount a defense, but they are also a riper plum for picking.
 

scandiwoman

scandiwoman
It's also a pretty well know fact that doctors get a cut of every prescription they write, so they are in cahoots together. Of course, not every last doctor, but as a whole they are. Since they know that so many people get results with natural products and that people are not going to give this up, they can better achieve what they want by being the ones to own this industry also, so they push until they can absorb it all for their own profit.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
To get really worried you need not do anything more that check prices of common supplements in Europe.

Many things there are prescription only (Vitamin C) and cost dozens of times what they do here.
 

Laurane

Canadian Loonie
I did not "know" that all doctors received cutbacks from Pharma companies in USA. In Canada I know they get a lot of free sample to give out.

Do you have a link to that fact?
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
WITHOUT "NATURAL REMEDIES" My hands and fingers would be all TWISTED AND KNOTTED, unusable, from RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS and I would be totally unable to do anything, in constant excruciating PAIN, UNABLE TO USE MY FINGERS FOR ANYTHING!

Just taking 95% Curcumin(Turmic) STOPS ALL THE INFLAMMATION AND ALL THE PAIN! Nothing in prescribed medicine can do that~!!
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
I did not "know" that all doctors received cutbacks from Pharma companies in USA. In Canada I know they get a lot of free sample to give out.

Do you have a link to that fact?

In Canada the prices of drugs is fixed and set by the government.

I would be surprised if doctors got any kickbacks in Canada. I would NOT be surprised here in the USA. To do so here would be worth a drug companies time & money.
 

Ben Sunday

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A dirty deal between Pharma and Gov. In fact, it is likely. However, I see this development as collusion between the two. If gov can't get their piece of the pie (license fees, etc), they will find a way to create a problem. The entire issue is asinine, imho.

ETA...I went back for an earlier post about Codex and a quote from the official website. Some may find it helpful while others will flame me, so take it fwiw.

>>>

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/faq.jsp

A couple of excerpts here to help the discussion.

>>>

R1: Will Codex make all nutritional supplements only available by prescription? Will Codex ban all supplements and make vitamins illegal the same way heroin is illegal? Will all natural herbs and alternative remedies be banned by Codex?


These are some of the many unfounded rumours about Codex that can be found on the internet. The Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements (CAC/GL 55-2005) adopted in 2005 do not contain provisions for the prescription or prohibition of any nutrient supplements. They do not deal with natural herbs and remedies at all (see also W1)

<<<
 

nharrold

Inactive
WITHOUT "NATURAL REMEDIES" My hands and fingers would be all TWISTED AND KNOTTED, unusable, from RHEUMATOID ARTHRITIS and I would be totally unable to do anything, in constant excruciating PAIN, UNABLE TO USE MY FINGERS FOR ANYTHING!

Just taking 95% Curcumin(Turmic) STOPS ALL THE INFLAMMATION AND ALL THE PAIN! Nothing in prescribed medicine can do that~!!

My chiropractor told me yesterday that an increasing number of his patients are finding back pain relief from using curcumin.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
It's also a pretty well know fact that doctors get a cut of every prescription they write, so they are in cahoots together.

This is not strictly true. It is illegal for doctors to be paid in order to prescribe drugs. There is a loophole, however, which might be what you are thinking of. If a doctor uses drugs as part of an in-office or in-hospital treatment, the manufacturer can rebate some of the price of the drug after the doctor has been compensated for the full price by the insurer. In this way, doctors who do long-term drug treatments can make a good deal of money on the difference between rebates and compensation. However, with the drug companies all competing with each other, it is debatable whether this really results in doctors favoring one drug over another. Definitely a dodgy ethical area, but not one that plays a role in the typical interaction with a doctor. If you have a long-term condition that requires in-office or in-hospital treatment (cancer, for example) it is something to be aware of.
 

SarahLynn

Veteran Member
It seemed to me that every single time I went in for a pre-natal check up when expecting each of my children, there was always a drug sales rep either coming or going out of his office. There were always stacks of their literature out on the tables in the waiting room, and big glossy paper posters advertising this months' must have drug. I grew to really dislike seeing these reps because I knew my doctor was being pressured to push this or that at me. Eventually I switched doctors and got one more in line with my natural approach to as many things as I could feasibly do.
 

Double_A

TB Fanatic
My chiropractor told me yesterday that an increasing number of his patients are finding back pain relief from using curcumin.

Interesting my mom's chiropractor told her to try it and he said he was using it.

I bought her several bottles with the piperine. Her inflammation was up and when I asked she said that she had stopped taking it.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
My chiropractor told me yesterday that an increasing number of his patients are finding back pain relief from using curcumin.

At one point, I ACTUALLY FELT THE Rheumatoid Arthritis trying to start up IN MY SPINE, at one point, right between my shoulder blades. It took about 3 days before I recognized WHAT was happening and that it was the EXACT same type pain, inflammation and feeling I had in my hands and was getting worse with time. I took a double dose of curcumin that morning and another that night and then went to two in the morning and one at night, for a few more days, just in case.

THE PAIN AND INFLAMMATION IN MY SPINE STARTED GOING AWAY INCREMENTALLY AFTER THE FIRST DOUBLE DOSE OF CURCUMIN AND BY THE END OF THE SECOND DAY ON HIGH CURCUMIN WERE TOTALLY GONE. I kept on morning and night doses till I was sure I was clear and then went back to my one a day preventive 500mg of curcumin(Turmeric-95%curcumin).

You can't just take one pill and expect anything to change when you are trying to put down a RH inflammation flare-up.
 
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