INTL Russia confirms nuclear submarine patrols near US

Sully

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Russia confirms nuclear submarine patrols near US - Vladimir Isachenkov – www.news.yahoo.com

MOSCOW – A senior Russian military official said Wednesday that Russian nuclear-powered attack submarines spotted off the U.S. East Coast were on a legitimate training mission.

U.S. defense officials said Tuesday that two Russian submarines had been patrolling in international waters for several days. While the activity was reminiscent of the Cold War, the U.S. officials said the submarines had done nothing to provoke concern.

Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn, a deputy chief of the General Staff of the Russian military, said the patrols were part of efforts to give more training to the military forces.

"The Navy mustn't rest dockside," Nogovitsyn said at a news conference.

The submarine patrols coincided with angry words from Moscow about U.S. military assistance to Georgia a year after the Russian-Georgian war.

The August war drove U.S.-Russian relations to a post-Cold War low. President Barack Obama has sought to overcome the strain and improve ties. But U.S. officials said that they have not ruled out providing defensive weapon systems for Georgia despite warnings by Russia.

The U.S. is discussing a Georgian request for $16 million in military aid this year, with most of the money intended for training and technical assistance.

Grigory Karasin, a deputy Russian Foreign Minister, said Wednesday that Moscow was seriously concerned by the U.S. military assistance to Georgia. "That worries us and forces us to take relevant steps," he said without elaboration.

Nogovitsyn said that U.S. submarines had also engaged in missions off Russia's coast, but wouldn't provide any details.

"It's a normal thing," Nogovitsyn said about submarine patrols.

During the Cold War times, U.S. and Soviet submarines routinely played cat-and-mouse near each other's shores, surveying the adversary's movements.

Nogovitsyn compared the Russian submarine deployment off the U.S. coast to regular patrol flights by Russian strategic bombers, saying both were necessary to improve crews skills.

The 1991 Soviet collapse forced the military to drastically cut training due to severe money crunch. But cash from the oil bonanza during Vladimir Putin's eight-year presidential tenure allowed the military to boost military spending and conduct more maneuvers.

Putin, now prime minister, has sought to showcase the Kremlin's global reach and reassert its claim to great-power status amid strained ties with the West. In 2007, he ordered the resumption of border patrols.

Putin's successor, President Dmitry Medvedev, also pledged to deploy Russian forces on regular maneuvers worldwide.

Last fall, a Russian Navy squadron sailed for Venezuela and held joint maneuvers with the Venezuelan navy in the first Russian deployment to the Western Hemisphere since the Cold War.

Russia recently also has deployed its navy ships to the Mediterranean and dispatched some to pirate-infested waters off Somalia, reflecting its determination to project power worldwide.

But analysts say that the Russian navy now is still only a shadow of what it was during Cold War times. It suffered a new humiliating blow last month, when the prospective Bulava missile intended to equip new Russian nuclear submarines again failed during a test launch — the seventh failure in its 11 test launches so far.
 

gdpetti

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Ok, add this as the 'Secret Team/CIA' farce in Georgia unfolds. Fair use http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d43_1218582627
Russians move 2 SS-21 Tactical Nuke Ballistic Missile Launchers into South Ossetia

Col. Sam Gardiner notes, in an interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, Russia has deployed tactical nuclear weapons to South Ossetia. The SS-21 Missile launchers are relatively weak compared to bombs that have already been used against Georgia by the Russian air force. However, this move does indicate Russia is potentially upping the game from a conventional weapons war to a tactical nuclear More..

Retired officer again... always retired... that site is a link to the video interview.
 
Gee, isn't that nice that Russia 'confirms it'. I've got pictures! I don't need Russian or USA confirmation.

We were attending an Army security briefing. A picture of the roof of the Russian Embassy in San Francisco was shown. The roof was covered with all sorts of antenna. The Russian Embassy sits on a hill and can (suspected) monitor micro wave transmissions, UHF, VHF, FM, as well as other frequencies (not officially admitted). (By the way the USofA Embassy in Russia was located in a swamp and so full of 'bugs' it couldn't be used.) But I digress....

The picture in question appeared in US newspapers. The 'briefer' told us that until the government "officially" admitted Russian capabilities those capabilities "...didn't exist 'officially'." BWAHAHAHAHA My first exposure to gubernmint approved double talk bull.

So now we have 'invest' that used to have the deffinition of spend. "I will not tax 95% of the population....", which means we're screwed. etc
 

Hfcomms

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But analysts say that the Russian navy now is still only a shadow of what it was during Cold War times. It suffered a new humiliating blow last month, when the prospective Bulava missile intended to equip new Russian nuclear submarines again failed during a test launch — the seventh failure in its 11 test launches so far.

Anyone given to hyperventilation over incidents like this should read this paragraph several times. Yes Russia was and still is a threat. But they lost so much from the fall of the early 90's that they are really just starting to put together a blue water navy again. Their strategic forces were given more funding (subs and land/space based platforms) but they still can't compete on an even keel with the U.S. Navy yet.

They have had a number of very public and humiliating setbacks over the last several years. The bigger threat to us is not what the Russians are doing but what the criminals in our government are doing. And actually why would Russia or China even want to attack us? We are bending over backwards to out communist the communists and marxists in Russia and China these days. At this rate in another 10 years we will have our very own politburo in the beltway.
 

Housecarl

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Ok, add this as the 'Secret Team/CIA' farce in Georgia unfolds. Fair use http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d43_1218582627

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Russians move 2 SS-21 Tactical Nuke Ballistic Missile Launchers into South Ossetia

Col. Sam Gardiner notes, in an interview with Amy Goodman on Democracy Now, Russia has deployed tactical nuclear weapons to South Ossetia. The SS-21 Missile launchers are relatively weak compared to bombs that have already been used against Georgia by the Russian air force. However, this move does indicate Russia is potentially upping the game from a conventional weapons war to a tactical nuclear More..

Retired officer again... always retired... that site is a link to the video interview.

For those here who didn't "live" the Cold War 1.0, an SS-21 is a short range (depending on model 70-185 km) ballistic missile with a similar range and payload/physical throw weight and mission of the U.S. M39/MGM-140 ATACMS (payload/range differs between blocks from 560 kg of CBU bomblets to 160 kg of guided submunitions and ranges of between 140 km to 300 km, there was even a naval version under consideration).

The SS-21 can be loaded with either nuclear, HE, ICM, chemical or CBU. The weapon was part of a Soviet division's artillery component. They're nuclear capable, not necessarily "nuclear". There were several used in last years fighting by the Russians against Georgian targets.

The news of such a deployment means that whatever elements of the 58th Army operating opposite the Georgians are taking an "offensive posture".

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Squid

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Oh so much fun...

Now that we have avowed Communists as part of the administration we have Russians floating subs right off the coast. Hhhmm attack or ICBM's after reading A second after not sure some tactical nuke cruise missiles couldn't take out the technicalogical infrastructure of the US entirely down.

Do we even pose a threat of retribution that would make someone think twice? Hell today if we were hit are officially policy would be to tender an official apology for deserving to be attacked.

At some point having a big stick means nothing if nobody thinks you know how to use it?
 

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
Nice pics, HC!

If nothing else, the Russians are bulking up in theater. Bulking up with exactly WHAT is an open question.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Now that we have avowed Communists as part of the administration we have Russians floating subs right off the coast. Hhhmm attack or ICBM's after reading A second after not sure some tactical nuke cruise missiles couldn't take out the technicalogical infrastructure of the US entirely down.

Do we even pose a threat of retribution that would make someone think twice? Hell today if we were hit are officially policy would be to tender an official apology for deserving to be attacked.

At some point having a big stick means nothing if nobody thinks you know how to use it?

Too true.
 

Surprise

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Sooo why are those so close to me??:confused:They've gone and confused the GEORGIA'S!!!:shkr:

200 miles off the coast of Georgia is what I heard last night.

And guess what is near the coastline of Georgia: Kings Bay Submarine Base

Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay is a base of the United States Navy located adjacent to the city of St. Marys in Camden County, in southeast Georgia. It is the Atlantic homeport for US ballistic missile submarines armed with nuclear weapons. The submarine base encompasses about 16,000 acres (64 km²), of which 4,000 acres (16 km²) are protected wetlands.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Submarine_Base_Kings_Bay


Probably nothing as most here say. But I suppose I will always be effected by the mind set of the era I was raised in during the 50's and 60's as in look out the Communist's will always be trying to get 'cha.
 
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