BIRD FLU probe in BAHAMAS

Heliobas Disciple

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If it's found there, that means it's on our side of the Atlantic.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28360478.htm
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Flamingo deaths spark bird flu probe in Bahamas
28 Feb 2006 16:03:36 GMT

Source: Reuters
By John Marquis

NASSAU, Bahamas, Feb 28 (Reuters) - Health experts were dispatched on Tuesday to the southern Bahamas island of Inagua to find out if an unexplained spate of bird deaths was linked to a deadly bird flu virus that is spreading around the globe.

Over the past two days, 15 of the island's famed flamingos, five roseate spoonbills and one cormorant have been found dead with no external injuries on the island just north of Haiti, officials said.

Scientists from the Bahamas Ministry of Agriculture and the Department of Environmental Health will gather samples from the birds and then submit them for laboratory analysis.

"Anything is possible in nature. You have birds that fly around the world," said Minister of Agriculture and Marine Resources Leslie Miller, declining to rule out the H5N1 bird flu strain that has killed at least 93 people and spread to 20 new countries in the past month alone.

"But let's hope to God that that is not the case here in the Bahamas," Miller said.

The H5N1 virus is endemic in birds across parts of Asia but has since spread to Europe and Africa. Experts fear it could mutate into a form more easily passed between humans and trigger a pandemic in which millions could die.

Bahamas National Trust president Glenn Bannister said he had never known such a large number of bird deaths in the Bahamas at one time.

"This is a very large number of birds to be found dead at Inagua. This is highly unusual," he said.

Inagua is the second largest breeding ground for flamingos outside of Africa.

Although the three species affected on the island are not migratory birds, Bannister said they come into contact with geese and ducks that migrate to Inagua during the winter.

"Migrating birds are in Inagua all the time," he said. "Every winter they mix right in with the other birds in the ponds. If this is West Nile or bird flu, it will not be good for our bird population."

Inagua is the southernmost island of the Bahamas chain, lying about 60 miles (100 km) from the northern coast of Haiti. It is a large sparsely populated island known primarily for sea salt production.
 

Chronicles

Membership Revoked
This morning at 3AM, I went outside to see the stars, and there were many geese honking and flying north..

Does this spread the virus as they fly "maybe" dropping there doo doo, as they move north?

SAY, IF? they got the bird flu virus, which I do not know..
 

georgia101

Veteran Member
Let's hope and pray that it isn't bird flu. I know that one day soon it will be but I keep hoping that we can hold off for a bit longer.
 

Seabird

Veteran Member
That's a freakin' lot of flamingos. We have found dead gulls and egrets on occasion lately, a few greco crows and other such birds. But they are mostly suspected to have West Nile. There is never that many in one place found dead.

Please keep us posted on this one. And thanks for the article.


Seabird
 

Karnie

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Given the pattern of spread so far and migratory bird flight paths, it seems illogical that H5N1 would just jump to the Bahamas... but anything is possible I suppose.

However, I'm guessing West Nile is going to be found to be the virus at play here. It's already well established in this hemisphere and makes better sense.

But, I understand that I know nothing about this.... just speculating. :lol:
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I think it is probably NOT bird flu yet, but anything is possible and it certainly bears watching.

Bump to keep it from sinking below our radar.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
If there is avian flu on the island, shouldn't the smaller birds be dying as well?

The article said: "Although the three species affected on the island are not migratory birds, Bannister said they come into contact with geese and ducks that migrate to Inagua during the winter. "Migrating birds are in Inagua all the time," he said. "Every winter they mix right in with the other birds in the ponds."

If they're catching it from the geese and ducks, where are the dead carcuses of geese and ducks? And are they saying that the geese and ducks on this Bahama island migrate from Africa or Europe? (I find that hard to believe).

Are we to believe migratory geese and ducks are killing local flamingos when there are no dead geese and ducks and they migrate from an area (the Americas) where there has been no reported case of bird flu?

Maybe there is a toxin in their pond - either chemical or toxic algae, deliberate or natural. Maybe their food source is contaminated (botulism). Remember the dead birds showing up this summer?

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=163679

If it does turn out to be bird flu - it will be very odd that it showed up on this one Bahama island. Unless of course there was a flamingo they just bought that was brought over from Europe or Africa that was already sick when they imported it.

HD
 

gdpetti

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It should be rather apparent within 6 months is my guess for the States, though the real question for the world on this one, is when does it reach the crossover point that is evolving in the virus now mostly in Indonesia etc?
 

daisy

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For Florida Peeps! I posted this in yesterdays thread on Bird Flu..

If it's in the Bahamas I believe it is already here or will be, at least in Florida.

Those in Florida can go to this website and post on a form any dead birds they find, the info will go directly to the Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission. http://myfwc.com/bird/

The Florida Fish & Wildlife Conservation Commission is cooperatively working with the Florida Department of Health on a wild bird mortality database. This project was initiated to support surveillance for bird die-offs and aids in monitoring for Avian Influenza (AI).......
 

daisy

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People You Need to READ these Bird Flu Threads!!!!

I'm bumping this bird flu thread and all other bird flu threads on a daily basis. IMO this is our most URGENT and serious threat to preppers and you need to start making your plans to survive this, foodwise, animalwise and healthwise.
 

rhughe13

Heart of Dixie
It's definately the time of year for the most concern. I am starting to see huge flocks of migratory birds in the area. They are certainly heading north with or without the disease. We shall soon find out.
 

Perpetuity

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Not only for Florida is this scary, but for Georgia, as well. Georgia has a huge poultry industry, and when it hits, much of the state's economy will slide downhill...not to mention millions upon millions of birds that could potentially be carriers. And, living on the Coast, tons of wild birds...not to mention pigeons. I also wonder how wild birds would be culled, especially in towns and cities that have large duck and pigeon populations. And, further down the road, how will a massive reduction in birds affect the ecosystem in general?

On a side note, does anyone remember a prophecy concerning "no birds in the air"? I think it was either related to Fatima, or Cayce. I remember reading it several years ago, and thought it was strange then...but with the times now, even stranger.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060302/ap_on_sc/bahamas_bird_deaths
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Bahamas Sends Experts to Study Bird Deaths

Wed Mar 1, 7:34 PM ET

NASSAU, Bahamas - The government of the Bahamas dispatched a team of experts Wednesday to a southern island where at least 21 wild birds have been found dead in recent days of unknown causes, officials said.

Possible causes of the deaths include food poisoning or bird flu, said Eric Carey, director of parks and science for the Bahamas National Trust.

The experts from the Health and the Agriculture Ministries, led by the Bahamas' chief veterinarian officer, Jeffrey Lynn, hoped to complete preliminary tests within two days, he said.

If those tests can't reveal the cause of the birds' death, laboratory investigations lasting as long as a week would be conducted in the Bahamas and possibly in the United States, according to Lynn.

"The government is committed to getting the results of the investigation as quickly as possible," Carey said.

No birds have been detected with the lethal H5N1 strain of bird flu in North or South America, although a milder strain of the virus that poses no threat to humans was discovered in chickens in Colombia last October.

Experts worry that H5N1, which is sweeping through flocks in Asia, Africa and more recently Europe, could mutate into a human flu that could kill millions.

The dead migratory birds — 15 flamingos, five roseate spoon bills and a cormorant — were found this week in a national park on Great Inagua, the southernmost island in the Bahamas archipelago.

Great Inagua, which is closer to Haiti than to the Bahamian capital of Nassau, has the world's largest breeding colony of West Indian flamingos, which migrate through the Caribbean.

None of the dead birds are species that typically migrate to the Bahamas from Europe or Africa, Carney said.

U.S. authorities were monitoring the situation in the Bahamas, but Carney sounded a note of caution, noting that the birds could have died from any number of diseases such as avian botulism or avian cholera , two ailments that are not transmitted to humans.
 

LeViolinist

Veteran Member
The mysteriously dead birds in Nairobi had a 'negative' report - no flue - and hope this one does as well. Bird die-offs are common as of the last 2 years. West Nile has even killed some alligators!

I don't understand:
1.
if this can be contracted by contact with birds - by not human to human?
2.
why 'they' think this will be pandemic - ? - Do virus's mutate that freely? Or is this a 'designer' virus that is more understood than we think?

BUY BLEACH - and clean shoe soles on the porch in a shallow pan. No kidding. Lv
 

Wise Owl

Deceased
Birds do not migrate from east to west over the oceans. If this proves to be BF then it was planted there. A bird was infected and then turned loose......as I suspect all cases have been. Not to say this is not something to watch but this is a contrived situation. Like the sick birds in Japan with a strain that came from South America.

The bird flu has been around for years and years and years......this strain that is so contagious is man made. By who is the question......who released it on the world.......the why we should be able to figure out....the ptb are absolutely salivating over this and all the money they can make off it........to believe anything else is to have head firmly stuck in the sand........
 

Kim99

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A post by LindaSue over on CE regarding the Bahamas situation:

We may not have much time left before H5N1 appears in the USA 48 states.

Preliminary testing can be done within hours. The fact that the results of the preliminary testing have not been announced, and H5N1 has not been denied, makes it easy to conclude that they have, indeed, found bird flu, but do not want to announce it until they are sure it is the HPAI variety, the deadly form of bird flu. If it is LPAI, the less deadly form, there is still danger. This form has a habit of shifting to HPAI in a matter of months.

I recall reading that the H5N1 has always tested as HPAI so far. Can anyone confirm this? Niman??

In studying bird migration, I've collected the following information, which doesn't lead to happy conclusions:
* On March 5, 1918, the first wave of flu struck Ft. Riley, Kansas.
* Ft. Riley is located at the confluence of two major rivers, and is right next to the Milford Wetlands, where flyways coming from the east and west coast converge in an hourglass shape before spreading out again towards South America. If you think history repeats itself, look to South America.
* Hunting at the Milford Wetlands this time of year focuses on ducks and snow geese returning from South America. Snow geese return to remote areas of Alaska, where die-offs can easily escape human notice.
* Ducks and geese have been identified as non-symptomatic carriers of H5N1 and other bird flus.
* Ducks find mates during the winter, when their flocks merge with others. The male duck leaves his flock to return with his mate to her nesting grounds. Whatever disease he carries is brought directly to his newly adopted summer home. Ducks have summer nesting grounds throughout the United States.
WHO states that H5N1 survives 6 days in a warm environment, outside any living host. (Seasonal flu only survives 18 to 24 hours.) and it survives over 35 days in the cold.
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/fact...a/en/index.html

Quote:
Highly pathogenic viruses can survive for long periods in the environment, especially when temperatures are low. For example, the highly pathogenic H5N1 virus can survive in bird faeces for at least 35 days at low temperature (4oC). At a much higher temperature (37oC), H5N1 viruses have been shown to survive, in faecal samples, for six days.


Other websites show research has found H5N1 survives over 90 days in freezing water, with the upper limit not known. H5N1 could have been accumulating in both Arctic and Antarctic regions for years, and is now reaching critical mass, where the contaminated areas are infecting enough birds to spread it beyond the frozen regions.

It is important to note that the Arctic Tern flies straight from Newfoundland to the west coast of Africa, then across the Atlantic to the eastern point of South America. From there it travels to the coldest tip of South America and the Antarctic. The tern flies at high altitudes, skipping the '48 United States, as it jumps continents. It grabs food mid-flight from the ocean, and is not easily seen by humans, until comes ashore to rest with other water fowl. The disconnected discovery of H5N1 in Nigeria and Niger, supports the idea that the Arctic Tern may be spreading H5N1. If so, H5N1 may already be spreading in South America, sofar undetected.

Scientists have been puzzled by lack of apparent pattern to the spread of H5N1. There is no such surprise in a theory that postulates permanent accumulations of H5N1 in the polar regions, spread by the circumpolar migration of birds like the Arctic tern (and shear tail), to warmer climates, where it affects other birds, both local and migrating. These outbreaks would appear to pop up randomly, but generally near known migration routes. Such outbreaks would occur mostly during and immediately after the winter months, then diminish during the summer, because infection in warmer climates requires more direct contact with diseased birds. This theory would predict greater frequency of outbreaks in cold, wet regions, where contaminated mud is tracked around by tires and feet. We are seeing this in Europe now. It would also explain the apparent randomness of human and other mammal infections, when there has been no direct contact with infected birds.

Since I found all this information, I've been paying especially close attention to Africa, South America, and the Caribbean. H5N1 is approaching the United States from many directions now, including Asia, Russia, and Europe, through Alaska. The news media have overlooked the possibility of it coming from the Antarctic or South America, where little is known about bird migration. Let's be alert and not make the same mistake.

Please prepare to see H5N1 in your local bird population. We will eventually find the disease infecting other mammals besides cats. Bird flu is already known to infect cats, horses, pigs, primates, sea mammals - and mice. This means you have more to think about than keeping Fluffy inside. You may be in contact with waterways, streets, and paths contaminated by not only birds, but also mice and other outdoor animals.

There is no telling how soon H5N1 will arrive in the United States, but it is definitely coming. Understand that avoiding bird flu is not like avoiding seasonal flu. In addition to cleaning your hands frequently, you should learn how to disinfect your shoes and clothing after going outside in an area where the virus has become endemic. Watch the news carefully for any outbreak of avian flu in the Americas, whether HPAI or LPAI. Start practicing the new hygiene now, before an emergency comes to your door steps.

If H5N1 does become endemic in America, life as we know it will have to change, before a single case of human flu is ever confirmed
 
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The infectious disease forum was set up to keep the main board from being flooded with H5N1 news.

Unless it is a "Breaking news" type article (like would happen on the Iran subject). All single soursed materials (H5H1) will be moved to the infectious disease thread - the daily H5N1 threads will be moved at the end of the day (as it was being done; untill I grew too lazy to move them.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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It's NOT Bird Flu

http://online.wsj.com/public/article...ml?mod=blog s
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12:05 p.m.: In a preliminary report, health experts dispatched to the Bahamas concluded that deaths of wild birds on the island of Great Inagua are likely unrelated to bird flu. The experts reported "no sign of bird flu," said Eric Carey, director of the Bahamas parks and science department. Authorities previously reported 15 West Indies flamingos, five roseate spoon bills and a cormorant had been found dead, but experts found only five dead birds on the island, Agriculture Minister Leslie Miller said.
 
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