Text of Chinese Defense Minister's Speech Advocating War with U.S.

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I've checked the archives back for the last six months and do not find this posted. If its a dupe thread, then whip me with a wet noodle. Regardless, I think most may find this interesting. From what I can gather, this translation first hit the web on August 12, 2005.

Long read, but worth it. Chilling.

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http://www.halturnershow.com/ChineseDefenseMinisterTalksWarAgainstUS.html

Chinese Defense Minister Gives Speech About WAR plans against the United States
Says China can only afford to wait another 5 to 10 years before being forced to attack to gain "living space"

Chi Haotian, China's Minister of Defense and vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission, gave the following speech to his military leadership. What you are about to read is a VERBATIM translation of the actual speech; the original Chinese language text is also included below for verification! This is not a news story about the speech, but rather the actual text of the speech itself! Defense Minster Chi Haotian

In it, he spoke openly about China's need for "more living space" and stated bluntly that The United States, Canada and Australia are the only places large enough to accommodate future Chinese needs. He notes the need for a quick, effective biological attack upon the U.S. to depopulate it as a prelude to conquest, and plainly states that China is working on genetic bio-weapons to kill everyone except "yellow people."

His chilling remarks boast of a recent survey of the Chinese public wherein upwards of eighty percent (80%) were willing to "shoot and kill women, children and prisoners of war" as part of such an effort.

More frightening was his admission of an ongoing deliberate deception of the U.S., with China portraying itself as a peaceful business partner, while actually planning to kill "one or two hundred million Americans."

He also notes that thanks to trade, income from Chinese exports is providing the financing needed to vastly expand Chinese military might in preparation for an attack upon the U.S. which he seems to indicate will occur within "five to ten years."

The speech is extremely lengthy, but I have emphasized the relevant parts in bold, below. References to directly attacking the United States are highlighted in RED BOLD below. Segments in red bold with underlining are extremely serious for the U.S. .

If ever a nation needed to prepare for a true life and death struggle, clearly it is the U.S. As evidenced by this speech, China's leadership is already planning to kill us and take our land.

Actual Text of the speech:

Comrades,

I’m very excited today, because the large-scale online survey sina.com that was done for us showed that our next generation is quite promising and our Party’s cause will be carried on. In answering the question, “Will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war,” more than 80 percent of the respondents answered in the affirmative, exceeding by far our expectations [1].Today I’d like to focus on why we asked sina.com to conduct this online survey among our people.

My speech today is a sequel to my speech last time [2], during which I started with a discussion of the issue of the three islands [3], mentioned that 20 years of the idyllic theme of “peace and development” had come to an end, and concluded that modernization under the saber is the only option for China’s next phase. I also mentioned we have a vital stake overseas. Today, I’ll speak more specifically on these two issues.

The central issue of this survey appears to be whether one should shoot at women, children and prisoners of war, but its real significance goes far beyond that. Ostensibly, our intention is mainly to figure out what the Chinese people’s attitude towards war is: If these future soldiers do not hesitate to kill even non-combatants, they’ll naturally be doubly ready and ruthless in killing combatants. Therefore, the responses to the survey questions may reflect the general attitude people have towards war.

Actually, however, this is not our genuine intention. The purpose of the CCP Central Committee in conducting this survey is to probe people’s minds. We wanted to know: If China’s global development will necessitate massive deaths in enemy countries, will our people endorse that scenario? Will they be for or against it?

As everybody knows, the essence of Comrade Xiaoping’s [4] thinking is “development is the hard truth.” And Comrade Jintao [5] has also pointed out repeatedly and empathetically that “development is our top priority,” which should not be neglected for even a moment. But many comrades tend to understand “development” in its narrow sense, assuming it to be limited to domestic development. The fact is, our “development” refers to the great revitalization of the Chinese nation, which, of course, is not limited to the land we have now but also includes the whole world.

Why do we put it this way?
Both Comrade Liu Huaqing [6], one of the leaders of the old generation in our Party, and Comrade He Xin [7], a young strategist for our Party, have repeatedly stressed the theory regarding the shift of the center of world civilization. Our slogan of “revitalizing China” has this way of thinking as its basis. You may look into the newspapers and magazines published in recent years or go online to do some research to find out who raised the slogan of national revitalization first. It was Comrade He Xin. Do you know who He Xin is? He may look aggressive and despicable when he speaks in public, with his sleeves and pants all rolled up, but his historical vision is a treasure our Party should cherish.

In discussing this issue, let us start from the beginning.

As everybody knows, according to the views propagated by the Western scholars, humanity as a whole originated from one single mother in Africa. Therefore, no race can claim racial superiority. However, according to the research conducted by most Chinese scholars, the Chinese are different from other races on earth. We did not originate in Africa. Instead, we originated independently in the land of China. The Peking Man at Zhoukoudian that we are all familiar with represents a phase of our ancestors’ evolution. “The Project of Searching for the Origins of the Chinese Civilization” currently undertaken in our country is aimed at a more comprehensive and systematic research on the origin, process and development of the ancient Chinese civilization. We used to say, “Chinese civilization has had a history of five thousand years.” But now, many experts engaged in research in varied fields including archeology, ethnic cultures, and regional cultures have reached consensus that the new discoveries such as the Hongshan Culture in the Northeast, the Liangzhu Culture in Zhejiang province, the Jinsha Ruins in Sichuan province, and the Yongzhou Shun Emperor Cultural Site in Human province are all compelling evidence of the existence of China’s early civilizations, and they prove that China’s rice-growing agricultural history alone can be traced back as far as 8,000 to 10,000 years. This refutes the concept of “five thousand years of Chinese civilization.” Therefore, we can assert that we are the product of cultural roots of more than a million years, civilization and progress of more than ten thousand years, an ancient nation of five thousand years, and a single Chinese entity of two thousand years. This is the Chinese nation that calls itself, “descendents of Yan and Huang,” the Chinese nation that we are so proud of. Hitler’s Germany had once bragged that the German race was the most superior race on Earth, but the fact is, our nation is far superior to the Germans.

During our long history, our people have disseminated throughout the Americas and the regions along the Pacific Rim, and they became Indians in the Americas and the East Asian ethnic groups in the South Pacific.

We all know that on account of our national superiority, during the thriving and prosperous Tang Dynasty our civilization was at the peak of the world. We were the center of the world civilization, and no other civilization in the world was comparable to ours. Later on, because of our complacency, narrow-mindedness, and the self-enclosure of our own country, we were surpassed by Western civilization, and the center of the world shifted to the West.

In reviewing history, one may ask: Will the center of the world civilization shift back to China?

Comrade He Xin put it in his report to the Central Committee in 1988: If the fact is that the center of leadership of the world was located in Europe as of the 18th Century, and later shifted to the United States in the mid 20th Century, then in the 21st Century the center of leadership of the world will shift to the East of our planet. And, “the East” of course mainly refers to China.

Actually, Comrade Liu Huaqing made similar points in early 1980s. Based on an historical analysis, he pointed out that the center of world civilization is shifting. It shifted from the East to Western Europe and later to the United States; now it is shifting back to the East. Therefore, if we refer to the 19th Century as the British Century, and the 20th century as the American Century, then the 21st Century will be the Chinese Century.

To understand conscientiously this historical law and to be prepared to greet the advent of the Chinese Century is the historical mission of our Party. As we all know, at the end of the last century, we built the Altar to the Chinese Century in Beijing. At the very moment of the arrival of the new millennium, the collective leadership of the Party Central Committee gathered there for a rally, upholding the torches of Zhoukoudian, to pledge themselves to get ready to greet the arrival of the Chinese Century. We were doing this to follow the historical law and setting the realization of the Chinese Century as the goal of our Party’s endeavors.

Later, in the political report of our Party’s Sixteenth National Congress, we established that the national revitalization be our great objective and explicitly specified in our new Party Constitution that our Party is the pioneer of the Chinese people. All these steps marked a major development in Marxism, reflecting our Party‘s courage and wisdom. As we all know, Marx and his followers have never referred to any communist party as a pioneer of a certain people; neither did they say that national revitalization could be used as a slogan of a communist party. Even Comrade Mao Zedong, a courageous national hero, only raised high the banner of “the global proletarian revolution,” but even he did not have the courage to give the loudest publicity to the slogan of national revitalization.

We must greet the arrival of the Chinese Century by raising high the banner of national revitalization. How should we fight for the realization of the Chinese Century? We must borrow the precious experiences in human history by taking advantage of the outstanding fruition of human civilization and drawing lessons from what happened to other ethnic groups.

The lessons include the collapse of communism in the former Soviet Union and Eastern Europe, as well as the defeats of Germany and Japan in the past. Recently there has been much discussion on the lessons of the collapse of communism in the former Soviet Union and Eastern European countries, so I will not dwell on them here. Today I’d like to talk about the lessons of Germany and Japan.

As we all know, Nazi Germany also placed much emphasis on the education of the people, especially the younger generation. The Nazi party and government organized and established various propaganda and educational institutions such as the “Guiding Bureau of National Propaganda,” “Department of National Education and Propaganda,” “Supervising Bureau of Worldview Study and Education,” and “Information Office,” all aimed at instilling into the people’s minds, from elementary schools to colleges, the idea that German people are superior, and convincing people that the historical mission of the Arian people is to become the “lords of earth” that “rule over the world.” Back then the German people were much more united than we are today.

Nonetheless, Germany was defeated in utter shame, along with its ally, Japan. Why? We reached some conclusions at the study meetings of the Politburo, in which we were searching for the laws that governed the vicissitudes of the big powers, and trying to analyze Germany and Japan’s rapid growth. When we decide to revitalize China based on the German model, we must not repeat the mistakes they made.

Specifically, the following are the fundamental causes for the defeat of Germany and Japan: First, they had too many enemies all at once, as they did not adhere to the principle of eliminating enemies one at a time; second, they were too impetuous, lacking the patience and perseverance required for great accomplishments; third, when the time came for them to be ruthless, they turned out to be too soft, therefore leaving troubles that resurfaced later on.

Let’s presume that back then Germany and Japan had been able to keep the United States neutral and had fought a protracted war step by step on the Soviet front. If they had adopted this approach, gained some time to advance their research, eventually succeeded in obtaining the technology of nuclear weapons and missiles, and launched surprise attacks against the United States and the Soviet Union using them, then the United States and the Soviet Union would not have been able to defend themselves and would have had to surrender. Little Japan, in particular, made an egregious mistake in launching the sneak strike at Pearl Harbor. This attack did not hit the vital parts of the United States. Instead it dragged the United States into the war, into the ranks of the gravediggers that eventually buried the German and Japanese fascists.

Of course, if they had not made these three mistakes and won the war, history would have been written in a different fashion. If that had been the case, China would not be in our hands. Japan might have relocated their capital to China and ruled over China. Afterwards, China and the whole of Asia under Japan’s command would have brought into full play the oriental wisdom, conquered the West ruled by Germany and unified the whole world. This is irrelevant, of course. No more digressions.

So, the fundamental reason for the defeats of Germany and Japan is that history did not arrange them to be the “lords of the earth,” for they are, after all, not the most superior race.

Ostensibly, in comparison, today’s China is alarmingly similar to Germany back then. Both of them regard themselves as the most superior races; both of them have a history of being exploited by foreign powers and are therefore vindictive; both of them have the tradition of worshipping their own authorities; both of them feel that they have seriously insufficient living space; both of them raise high the two banners of nationalism and socialism and label themselves as “national socialism”; both of them worship “one state, one party, one leader, and one doctrine.”


And yet, if we really are to make a comparison between Germany and China, then, as Comrade Jiang Zemin put it, Germany belongs to “pediatrics”—too trivial to be compared. How large is Germany’s population? How big is its territory? And how long is its history? We eliminated eight million Nationalist troops in only three years. How many enemies did Germany kill? They were in power for a transient period of little more than a dozen years before they perished, while we are still energetic after being around for more than eighty years. Our theory of the shifting center of civilization is of course more profound than the Hitler’s theory of “the lords of the earth.” Our civilization is profound and broad, which has determined that we are so much wiser than they were.

Our Chinese people are wiser than the Germans because, fundamentally, our race is superior to theirs. As a result, we have a longer history, more people, and larger land area. On this basis, our ancestors left us with the two most essential heritages, which are atheism and great unity. It was Confucius, the founder of our Chinese culture, who gave us these heritages.

These two heritages determined that we have a stronger ability to survive than the West. That is why the Chinese race has been able to prosper for so long. We are destined “not to be buried by either heaven or earth” no matter how severe the natural, man-made, and national disasters. This is our advantage.

Take response to war as an example. The reason that the United States remains today is that it has never seen war on its mainland. Once its enemies aim at the mainland, the enemies would have already reached Washington before its congress finishes debating and authorizes the president to declare war. But for us, we don’t waste time on these trivial things. Comrade Deng Xiaoping once said, “The Party’s leadership is prompt in making decisions. Once a decision is made, it is immediately implemented. There’s no wasting time on trivial things like in capitalist countries. This is our advantage.” Our Party’s democratic centralism is built on the tradition of great unity. Although fascist Germany also stressed high-level centralism, they only focused on the power of the country’s executive, but ignored the collective leadership of the central group. That’s why Hitler was betrayed by many later in his life, which fundamentally depleted the Nazis of their war capacity.

What makes us different from Germany is that we are complete atheists, while Germany was primarily a Catholic and Protestant country. Hitler was only half atheist. Although Hitler also believed that ordinary citizens had low intelligence, and that leaders should therefore make decisions, and although German people worshipped Hitler back then, Germany did not have the tradition of worshipping sages on a broad basis. Our Chinese society has always worshipped sages, and that is because we don’t worship any god. Once you worship a god, you can’t worship a person at the same time, unless you recognize the person as the god’s representative like they do in Middle Eastern countries. On the other hand, once you recognize a person as a sage, of course you will want him to be your leader, instead of monitoring and choosing him. This is the foundation of our democratic centralism.

The bottom line is, only China, not Germany, is a reliable force in resisting the Western parliament-based democratic system. Hitler’s dictatorship in Germany was perhaps but a momentary mistake in history.

Maybe you have now come to understand why we recently decided to further promulgate atheism. If we let theology from the West into China and empty us from the inside, if we let all Chinese people listen to God and follow God, who will obediently listen to us and follow us? If the common people don’t believe Comrade Hu Jintao is a qualified leader, question his authority, and want to monitor him, if the religious followers in our society question why we are leading God in churches, can our Party continue to rule China?

Germany’s dream to be the “lord of the earth” failed, because ultimately, history did not bestow this great mission upon them. But the three lessons Germany learned from experience are what we ought to remember as we complete our historic mission and revitalize our race. The three lessons are: Firmly grasp the country’s living space, firmly grasp the Party’s control over the nation, and firmly grasp the general direction toward becoming the “lord of the earth.”
Next, I’d like to address these three issues.

The first issue is living space. This is the biggest focus of the revitalization of the Chinese race. In my last speech, I said that the fight over basic living resources (including land and ocean) is the source of the vast majority of wars in history. This may change in the information age, but not fundamentally. Our per capita resources are much less than those of Germany’s back then. In addition, economic development in the last twenty-plus years had a negative impact, and climates are rapidly changing for the worse. Our resources are in very short supply. The environment is severely polluted, especially that of soil, water, and air. Not only our ability to sustain and develop our race, but even its survival is gravely threatened, to a degree much greater than faced Germany back then.

Anybody who has been to Western countries knows that their living space is much better than ours. They have forests alongside the highways, while we hardly have any trees by our streets. Their sky is often blue with white clouds, while our sky is covered with a layer of dark haze. Their tap water is clean enough for drinking, while even our ground water is so polluted that it can’t be drunk without filtering. They have few people in the streets, and two or three people can occupy a small residential building; in contrast, our streets are always crawling with people, and several people have to share one room.

Many years ago, there was a book titled Yellow Catastrophes. It said that, due to our following the American style of consumption, our limited resources would no longer support the population and society would collapse, once our population reaches 1.3 billion. Now our population has already exceeded this limit, and we are now relying on imports to sustain our nation. It’s not that we haven’t paid attention to this issue. The Ministry of Land Resources is specialized in this issue.
But the term “living space” (lebensraum) is too closely related to Nazi Germany. The reason we don’t want to discuss this too openly is to avoid the West’s association of us with Nazi Germany, which could in turn reinforce the view that China is a threat. Therefore, in our emphasis on He Xin’s new theory, “Human rights are just living rights,” we only talk about “living,” but not “space,” so as to avoid using the term “living space.” From the perspective of history, the reason that China is faced with the issue of living space is because Western countries have developed ahead of Eastern countries. Western countries established colonies all around the world, therefore giving themselves an advantage on the issue of living space. To solve this problem, we must lead the Chinese people outside of China, so that they could develop outside of China.

The second issue is our focus on the leadership capacity of the ruling party. We’ve done better on this than their party. Although the Nazis spread their power to every aspect of the German national government, they did not stress their absolute leadership position like we have. They did not take the issue of managing the power of the party as first priority, which we have. When Comrade Mao Zedong summarized the “three treasures” of our party’s victory in conquering the country, he considered the most important “treasure” to be developing the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and strengthening its leadership position.

We have to focus on two points to fortify our leadership position and improve our leadership capacity.

The first is to promote the “Three Represents” theory [8], stressing that our Party is the pioneer of the Chinese race, in addition to being the pioneer of the proletariat. Many citizens say in private, “We never voted for you, the Communist Party, to represent us. How can you claim to be our representatives?”


There’s no need to worry about this issue. Comrade Mao Zedong said that if we could lead our allies to victory and make them benefit, they would support us. Therefore, as long as we can lead the Chinese people outside of China, resolving the lack of living space in China, the Chinese people will support us. At that time, we don’t have to worry about the labels of “totalitarianism” or “dictatorship.” Whether we can forever represent the Chinese people depends on whether we can succeed in leading the Chinese people out of China.

The second point, whether we can lead the Chinese people out of China, is the most important determinant of the CCP’s leadership position.

Why do I say this?

Everyone knows that without the leadership of our Party, China would not exist today. Therefore, our highest principle is to forever protect our Party’s leadership position. Before June 4, we realized vaguely that as long as China’s economy is developed, people would support and love the Communist Party. Therefore we had to use several decades of peacetime to develop China’s economy. No matter what -isms, whether it is a white cat or a black cat, it is a good cat if it can develop China’s economy. But at that time, we did not have mature ideas about how China would deal with international disputes after its economy is developed.

Comrade Xiaoping said then that the main themes in the world were peace and development. But the June 4 riot gave our Party a warning and gave us a lesson that is still fresh. The pressure of China’s peaceful evolution makes us reconsider the main themes of our time. We see that neither of these two issues, peace and development, have been resolved. The western oppositional forces always change the world according to their own visions; they want to change China and use peaceful evolution to overturn the leadership of our Communist Party. Therefore, if we only develop the economy, we still face the possibility of losing control.

That June 4 riot almost succeeded in bringing a peaceful transition; if it were not for the fact that a large number of veteran comrades were still alive and at a crucial moment they removed Zhao Ziyang and his followers, then we all would have been put in prison. After death we would have been too ashamed to report to Marx. Although we have passed the test of June 4, after our group of senior comrades pass away, without our control, peaceful evolution may still come to China like it did to the former Soviet Union. In 1956, they suppressed the Hungarian Incident and defeated the attacks by Tito’s revisionists of Yugoslavia, but they could not withstand Gorbachev thirty some years later. Once those pioneering senior comrades died, the power of the Communist Party was taken away by peaceful evolution.

After the June 4 riot was suppressed, we have been thinking about how to prevent China from peaceful evolution and how to maintain the Communist Party’s leadership. We thought it over and over but did not come up with any good ideas. If we do not have good ideas, China will inevitably change peacefully, and we will all become criminals in history. After some deep pondering, we finally come to this conclusion: Only by turning our developed national strength into the force of a fist striking outward—only by leading people to go out —can we win forever the Chinese people’s support and love for the Communist Party. Our Party will then stand on invincible ground, and the Chinese people will have to depend on the Communist Party. They will forever follow the Communist Party with their hearts and minds, as was written in a couplet frequently seen in the countryside some years ago: “Listen to Chairman Mao, Follow the Communist Party!” Therefore, the June 4 riot made us realize that we must combine economic development with preparation for war and leading the people to go out! Therefore, since then, our national defense policy has taken a 180 degree turn and we have since emphasized more and more “combining peace and war.” Our economic development is all about preparing for the need of war! Publicly we still emphasize economic development as our center, but in reality, economic development has war as its center! We have made a tremendous effort to construct “The Great Wall Project” to build up, along our coastal and land frontiers as well as around large and medium-sized cities, a solid underground “Great Wall” that can withstand a nuclear war. We are also storing all necessary war materials. Therefore, we will not hesitate to fight a Third World War, so as to lead the people to go out and to ensure the Party’s leadership position. In any event, we, the CCP, will never step down from the stage of history! We’d rather have the whole world, or even the entire globe, share life and death with us than step down from the stage of history!!! Isn’t there a ‘nuclear bondage’ theory? It means that since nuclear weapons have bound the security of the entire world, all will die together if death is inevitable. In my view, there is another kind of bondage, and that is, the fate our Party is tied up with that of the whole world. If we, the CCP, are finished, China will be finished, and the world will be finished.

Our Party’s historical mission is to lead the Chinese people to go out. If we take the long view, we will see that history led us on this path. First, China’s long history has resulted in the world’s largest population, including Chinese in China as well as overseas. Second, once we open our doors, the profit-seeking western capitalists will invest capital and technology in China to assist our development, so that they can occupy the biggest market in the world. Third, our numerous overseas Chinese help us create the most favorable environment for the introduction of foreign capital, foreign technology and advanced experience into China. Thus, it is guaranteed that our reform and open-door policy will achieve tremendous success. Fourth, China’s great economic expansion will inevitably lead to the shrinkage of per-capita living space for the Chinese people, and this will encourage China to turn outward in search for new living space. Fifth, China’s great economic expansion will inevitably come with a significant development in our military forces, creating conditions for our expansion overseas. Even since Napoleon’s time, the West has been has been alert for the possible awakening of the sleeping lion that is China. Now, the sleeping lion is standing up and advancing into the world, and has become unstoppable!

What is the third issue we should clinch firmly in order to accomplish our historical mission of national renaissance? It is to hold firmly onto the big “issue of America.”


Comrade Mao Zedong taught us that we must have a resolute and correct political orientation. What is our key, correct orientation? It is to solve the issue of America.

This appears to be shocking, but the logic is actually very simple.

Comrade He Xin put forward a very fundamental judgment that is very reasonable. He asserted in his report to the Party Central Committee: The renaissance of China is in fundamental conflict with the western strategic interest, and therefore will inevitably be obstructed by the western countries doing everything they can. So, only by breaking the blockade formed by the western countries headed by the United States can China grow and move towards the world!

Would the United States allow us to go out to gain new living space? First, if the United States is firm in blocking us, it is hard for us to do anything significant to Taiwan and some other countries! Second, even if we could snatch some land from Taiwan, Vietnam, India, or even Japan, how much more living space can we get? Very trivial! Only countries like the United States, Canada and Australia have the vast land to serve our need for mass colonization.

Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the key to solving all other issues. First, this makes it possible for us to have many people migrate there and even establish another China under the same leadership of the CCP. America was originally discovered by the ancestors of the yellow race, but Columbus gave credit to the white race. We the descendents of the Chinese nation are entitled to the possession of the land! It is said that the residents of the yellow race have a very low social status in United States. We need to liberate them. Second, after solving the “issue of America,” the western countries in Europe would bow to us, not to mention to Taiwan, Japan and other small countries. Therefore, solving the “issue of America” is the mission assigned to CCP members by history.

I sometimes think how cruel it is for China and the United States to be enemies that are bound to meet on a narrow road! Do you remember a movie about Liberation Army troops led by Liu Bocheng and Deng Xiaoping? The title is something like “Decisive Battle on the Central Plains.” There is a famous remark in the movie that is full of power and grandeur: “The enemies are bound to meet on a narrow road, only the brave will win!” It is this kind of fighting to win or die spirit that enabled us to seize power in Mainland China. It is historical destiny that China and United States will come into unavoidable confrontation on a narrow path and fight each other! The United States, unlike Russia and Japan, has never occupied and hurt China, and also assisted China in its battle against the Japanese. But, it will certainly be an obstruction, and the biggest obstruction! In the long run, the relationship of China and the United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.

One time, some Americans came to visit and tried to convince us that the relationship between China and United States is one of interdependence. Comrade Xiaoping replied in a polite manner: “Go tell your government, China and the United States do not have such a relationship that is interdependent and mutually reliant.” Actually, Comrade Xiaoping was being too polite, he could have been more frank, “The relationship between China and United States is one of a life-and-death struggle.” Of course, right now it is not the time to openly break up with them yet. Our reform and opening to the outside world still rely on their capital and technology, we still need America. Therefore, we must do everything we can to promote our relationship with America, learn from America in all aspects and use America as an example to reconstruct our country.

How have we managed our foreign affairs in these years? Even if we had to put on a smiling face in order to please them, even if we had to give them the right cheek after they had hit our left cheek, we still must endure in order to further our relationship with the United States. Do you remember the character of Wuxun in the movie the “Story of Wuxun”? In order to accomplish his mission, he endured so much pain and suffered so much beating and kicking! The United States is the most successful country in the world today. Only after we have learned all of its useful experiences can we replace it in the future. Even though we are presently imitating the American tone “China and United States rely on each other and share honor and disgrace,” we must not forget that the history of our civilization repeatedly has taught us that one mountain does not allow two tigers to live together.

We also must never forget what Comrade Xiaoping emphasized “refrain from revealing the ambitions and put others off the track.” The hidden message is: we must put up with America; we must conceal our ultimate goals, hide our capabilities and await the opportunity. In this way, our mind is clear. Why have we not updated our national anthem with something peaceful? Why did we not change the anthem’s theme of war? Instead, when revising the Constitution this time, for the first time we clearly specified “March of the Volunteers” is our national anthem. Thus we will understand why we constantly talk loudly about the “Taiwan issue” but not the “American issue.” We all know the principle of “doing one thing under the cover of another.” If ordinary people can only see the small island of Taiwan in their eyes, then you as the elite of our country should be able to see the whole picture of our cause. Over these years, according to Comrade Xiaoping’s arrangement, a large piece of our territory in the North has been given up to Russia; do you really think our Party Central Committee is a fool?

To resolve the issue of America we must be able to transcend conventions and restrictions. In history, when a country defeated another country or occupied another country, it could not kill all the people in the conquered land, because back then you could not kill people effectively with sabers or long spears, or even with rifles or machine guns. Therefore, it was impossible to gain a stretch of land without keeping the people on that land. However, if we conquered America in this fashion, we would not be able to make many people migrate there.

Only by using special means to “clean up” America will we be able to lead the Chinese people there. This is the only choice left for us. This is not a matter of whether we are willing to do it or not. What kind of special means is there available for us to “clean up” America? Conventional weapons such as fighters, canons, missiles and battleships won’t do; neither will highly destructive weapons such as nuclear weapons. We are not as foolish as to want to perish together with America by using nuclear weapons, despite the fact that we have been exclaiming that we will have the Taiwan issue resolved at whatever cost. Only by using non-destructive weapons that can kill many people will we be able to reserve America for ourselves. There has been rapid development of modern biological technology, and new bio weapons have been invented one after another. Of course we have not been idle; in the past years we have seized the opportunity to master weapons of this kind. We are capable of achieving our purpose of “cleaning up” America all of a sudden. When Comrade Xiaoping was still with us, the Party Central Committee had the perspicacity to make the right decision not to develop aircraft carrier groups and focus instead on developing lethal weapons that can eliminate mass populations of the enemy country.

From a humanitarian perspective, we should issue a warning to the American people and persuade them to leave America and leave the land they have lived in to the Chinese people. Or at least they should leave half of the United States to be China’s colony, because America was first discovered by the Chinese. But would this work? If this strategy does not work, then there is only one choice left to us. That is, use decisive means to “clean up” America, and reserve America for our use in a moment. Our historical experience has proven that as long as we make it happen, nobody in the world can do anything about us. Furthermore, if the United States as the leader is gone, then other enemies have to surrender to us.

Biological weapons are unprecedented in their ruthlessness, but if the Americans do not die then the Chinese have to die. If the Chinese people are strapped to the present land, a total societal collapse is bound to take place. According to the computation of the author of Yellow Peril, more than half of the Chinese will die, and that figure would be more than 800 million people! Just after the liberation, our yellow land supported nearly 500 million people, while today the official figure of the population is more than 1.3 billion. This yellow land has reached the limit of its capacity. One day, who knows how soon it will come, the great collapse will occur any time and more than half of the population will have to go.

We must prepare ourselves for two scenarios. If our biological weapons succeed in the surprise attack [on the United States, the Chinese people will be able to keep their losses at a minimum in the fight against the United States. If, however, the attack fails and triggers a nuclear retaliation from the United States, China would perhaps suffer a catastrophe in which more than half of its population would perish. That is why we need to be ready with air defense systems for our big and medium-sized cities. Whatever the case may be, we can only move forward fearlessly for the sake of our Party and state and our nation’s future, regardless of the hardships we have to face and the sacrifices we have to make. The population, even if more than half dies, can be reproduced. But if the Party falls, everything is gone, and forever gone!

In Chinese history, in the replacement of dynasties, the ruthless have always won and the benevolent have always failed. The most typical example involved Xiang Yu the King of Chu, who, after defeating Liu Bang, failed to continue to chase after him and eliminate his forces, and this leniency resulted in Xiang Yu’s death and Liu’s victory (during the war between Chu and Han, just after the Qin Dynasty (221-206BC) was overthrown). Therefore, we must emphasize the importance of adopting resolute measures. In the future, the two rivals, China and the United States, will eventually meet each other in a narrow road, and our leniency to the Americans will mean cruelty toward the Chinese people. Here some people may want to ask me: what about the several millions of our compatriots in the United States? They may ask: aren’t we against Chinese killing other Chinese?

These comrades are too pedantic; they are not pragmatic enough. If we had insisted on the principle that the Chinese should not kill other Chinese, would we have liberated China? As for the several million Chinese living in the United States, this is of course a big issue. Therefore in recent years, we have been conducting research on genetic weapons, i.e. those weapons that do not kill yellow people. But producing a result with this kind of research is extremely difficult. Of the research done on genetic weapons throughout the world, the Israeli’s is the most advanced. Their genetic weapons are designed to target Arabs and protect the Israelis. But even they have not reached the stage of actual deployment. We have cooperated with Israel on some research. Perhaps we can introduce some of the technologies used to protect Israelis and remold these technologies to protect the yellow people. But their technologies are not mature yet, and it is difficult for us to surpass them in a few years. If it has to be five or ten years before some breakthroughs can be achieved in genetic weapons, we cannot afford to wait any longer.

Old comrades like us cannot afford to wait that long, for we don’t have that much time to live. Old soldiers of my age may be able to wait for five or ten more years, but those from the period of the Anti-Japanese War or the few old Red Army soldiers cannot wait any longer. Therefore we have to give up our expectations about genetic weapons. Of course, from another perspective, the majority of those Chinese living in the United States have become our burden, because they have been corrupted by the bourgeois liberal values for a long time and it would be difficult for them to accept our Party’s leadership. If they survived the war, we would have to launch campaigns in the future to deal with them, to reform them. Do you still remember that when we had just defeated the Koumintang (KMT) and liberated Mainland China, so many people from the bourgeois class and intellectuals welcomed us so very warmly, but later we had to launch campaigns such as the “suppression of the reactionaries” and “Anti-Rightist Movement” to clean them up and reform them? Some of them were in hiding for a long time and were not exposed until the Cultural Revolution. History has proved that any social turmoil is likely to involve many deaths. Maybe we can put it this way: death is the engine that moves history forward. During the period of Three Kingdoms [9], how many people died? When Genghis Khan conquered Eurasia, how many people died? When Manchu invaded the interior of China, how many people died? Not many people died during the 1911 Revolution, but when we overthrew the Three Great Mountains [10], and during the political campaigns such as “Suppression of reactionaries,” “Three-Anti Campaign,” and “Five-Anti Campaign” at least 20 million people died. We were apprehensive that some young people today would be trembling with fear when they hear about wars or people dying. During wartime, we were used to seeing dead people. Blood and flesh were flying everywhere, corpses were lying in heaps on the fields, and blood ran like rivers. We saw it all. On the battlefields, everybody’s eyes turned red with killing because it was a life-and-death struggle and only the brave would survive.

It is indeed brutal to kill one or two hundred million Americans. But that is the only path that will secure a Chinese century, a century in which the CCP leads the world. We, as revolutionary humanitarians, do not want deaths. But if history confronts us with a choice between deaths of Chinese and those of Americans, we’d have to pick the latter, as, for us, it is more important to safeguard the lives of the Chinese people and the life of our Party. That is because, after all, we are Chinese and members of the CCP. Since the day we joined the CCP, the Party’s life has always been above all else! History will prove that we made the right choice.

Now, when I am about to finish my speech, you probably understand why we conducted this online survey. Simply put, through conducting this online survey we wanted to know whether the people would rise against us if one day we secretly adopt resolute means to “clean up” America. Would more people support us or oppose us? This is our basic judgment: if our people approve of shooting at prisoners of war, women and children, then they would approve our “cleaning up” America. For over twenty years, China has been enjoying peace, and a whole generation has not been tested by war. In particular, since the end of World War II, there have been many changes in the formats of war, the concept of war and the ethics of war. Especially since the collapse of the former Soviet Union and Eastern European Communist states, the ideology of the West has come to dominate the world as a whole, and the Western theory of human nature and Western view of human rights have increasingly disseminated among the young people in China. Therefore, we were not very sure about the people’s attitude. If our people are fundamentally opposed to “cleaning up” America, we will, of course, have to adopt corresponding measures.

Why didn’t we conduct the survey through administrative means instead of through the web? We did what we did for a good reason.

First of all, we did it to reduce artificial inference and to make sure that we got the true thoughts of the people. In addition, it is more confidential and won’t reveal the true purpose of our survey. But what is most important is the fact that most of the people who are able to respond to the questions online are from social groups that are relatively well-educated and intelligent. They are the hard-core and leading groups that play a decisive role among our people. If they support us, then the people as a whole will follow us; if they oppose us, they will play the dangerous role of inciting people and creating social disturbance.

What turned out to be very comforting is they did not turn in a blank test paper. In fact, they turned in a test paper with a score of over 80%. This is the excellent fruition of our Party’s work in propaganda and education over the past few decades.

Of course, a few people under the Western influence have objected to shooting at prisoners of war and women and children. Some of them said, “It is shocking and scary to witness so many people approving of shooting at women and children. Is everybody crazy?” Some others said, “The Chinese love to label themselves as a peace-loving people, but actually they are the most ruthless people. The comments are resonant of killing and murdering, sending chills to my heart.”


Although there are not too many people holding this kind of viewpoint and they will not affect the overall situation in any significant way, but we still need to strengthen the propaganda to respond to this kind of argument.

That is to vigorously propagate Comrade He Xin's latest article, which has already been reported to the central government. You may look it up on the website.

If you get on the website using key words to search, you will find out that a while ago, comrade He Xin pointed out to the Hong Kong Business News during an interview that: "The US has a shocking conspiracy." According to what he had in hand, from September 27 to October 1, 1995, the Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachëv Foundation, funded by the United States, gathered 500 of the world’s most important statesmen, economic leaders and scientists, including George W. Bush (he was not the US president at the time), the Baroness Thatcher, Tony Blair, Zbigniew Brzezinski, as well as George Soros, Bill Gates, futurist John Naisbitt, etc., all of the world’s most popular characters, in the San Francisco Fairmont hotel for a high-level round table conference, discussing problems about globalization and how to guide humanity to move forward into the 21st century. According to what He Xin had in hand, the outstanding people of the world in attendance thought that in the 21st century a mere 20% of the world’s population will be sufficient to maintain the world’s economy and prosperity, the other 80% or 4/5 of the world’s population will be human garbage unable to produce new values. The people in attendance thought that this excess 80% population would be a trash population and "high-tech" means should be used to eliminate them gradually.

Since the enemies are secretly planning to eliminate our population, we certainly cannot be infinitely merciful and compassionate to them. Comrade He Xin's article came out at the right time, it has proven the correctness of our tit for tat battle approach, has proven Comrade Deng Xiaoping’s great foresight to deploy against the United States military strategy.

Certainly, in spreading Comrade He Xin’s views, we cannot publish the article in the party newspapers, in order to avoid raising the enemy’s vigilance. He Xin's conversation may remind the enemy that we have grasped the modern science and technology, including "clean" nuclear technology, gene weapons technology as well as biological weapons technology, and we can use powerful measures to eliminate their population on a large-scale.

The last problem I want to talk about is of firmly seizing the preparations for military battle.

Currently, we are at the cross road of moving forward or backward. Some comrades saw problems flooding everywhere in our country—the corruption problem, the state-owned enterprise problem, the bank’s bad accounts problem, environmental problems, society security problems, education problems, the AIDS problem, various appeals problem, even the riots problem. These comrades vacillated in the determination to prepare for the military battle. They thought; they should first grab the political reform problem, that is, our own political reform comes first. After resolving the domestic problems, we can then deal with the foreign military battle problem.

This reminds me of the crucial period in 1948 in the Chinese revolution. At that time, the People's Liberation Army’s “horses were drinking water” in Yangtze River, but they faced extremely complex situations and difficult problems everywhere in the liberated areas, and the central authority received emergency reports daily. What to do? Should we stop to manage rear areas and internal matters first before moving forward, or press on to pass the Yangtze River with one vigorous effort? Chairman Mao, with his extraordinary wisdom and mettle, gave the marching order "Carry on the revolution to the end," and liberated all of China. The previously thought "serious" conflicting problems were all resolved in this great forward moving revolutionary wave.

Now, it seems like we are in the same critical period as the “horses were drinking water” in the Yangtze River days in the revolutionary era, as long as we firmly seize the most basic principle of preparing for the military battle. The central committee believes, as long as we resolve the United States problem at one blow, our domestic problems will all be readily solved. Therefore, our military battle preparation appears to aim at Taiwan, but in fact is aimed at the United States, and the preparation is far beyond the scope of attacking aircraft carriers or satellites.

Marxism pointed out that violence is the midwife for the birth of the new society. Therefore war is the midwife for the birth of China’s century. As war approaches, I am full of hope for our next generation.
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Notes: [1] Sina.com is one of the largest on-line media corporations in China. The on-line survey was launched by sina.com’s branch Sina Military (jczs.sina.com.cn). It started on February 2 and ended on March 1, 2004 and there were 31,872 persons who filled out the survey. The web page for this on-line survey is at “http://jczs.sina.com.cn/2004-02-02/1644180066.html” but this page has been removed and cannot be viewed.

The question was “If you are a solider, and if are under the orders of your commanding officers, will you shoot at women, children and prisoners of war?” 34% of the visitors answered they would shoot under any circumstances even without permission from their commanding officer. 48.6% of the visitors replied that they would shoot when the lives of themselves or their companies are threatened. Only 3.8% of the participants held they would not shoot under any circumstances. Those who agreed to shoot were mostly under the age of 25.

[2] “War Is Approaching Us”


[3] “Three islands” refer to Taiwan, Diaoyu Islands, and Spratly Islands.

[4] Deng Xiaoping (1904-1997). Officially, Deng was the leader of the CCP and China from 1978-89. Actually, after Mao's death in 1976 Deng became the de facto leader of China until Deng finally died in 1997.

[5] Hu Jintao (1942-). Leader of the "fourth generation" of CCP officials. In 2003, Hu became President of the People's Republic of China.

[6] Liu Huaqing (1916-). Commander of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy from 1982 through 1988, vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission (until 1997). Liu is considered to be responsible for the PLA’s modernization efforts.

[7] He Xin (1949-). Senior Fellow of the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences.

[8] “Three Represents” states that the CCP represents the requirement to develop advanced productive forces, an orientation towards advanced culture, and the fundamental interests of the overwhelming majority of the people in China. It was put forward by Jiang Zemin, former Chinese president.

[9] Three Kingdoms refer to Wei, Shu, and Wu, three countries that overlapped the land of China during the period A.D. 220-80.

[10] “Three great mountains” were said according to the CCP to have weighed on the backs of the Chinese people—imperialism, feudalism and bureaucratic-capitalism.
 
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Green

Paranoid in Los Angeles
My bad! :shr:

In my defense, the prior thread was a link, and this is the actual text.

[Weak, but gimme a break] :dvl1:

I searched the terms "Chinese Defense Minister""

[I'm trying. Really.]
 

snowmiser

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Green :lkick:

s'ok... ok? no problem. you're right, you actually posted the text. of course one of the heavy hands will probably smack you with a trout for starting a new thread.

:vik:
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
snowmiser said:
Green :lkick:

s'ok... ok? no problem. you're right, you actually posted the text. of course one of the heavy hands will probably smack you with a trout for starting a new thread.

:vik:


Green, you're cool...continue posting away...there's alot of diverse opinions here, but you have the right to post yours..don't be diswayed... :spns:
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
I am sorry, but my bs meter is maxing out. This article is a hoax. It is either the propaganda department of OUR nation putting words they want us to think are coming out of the Chinese leaders, OR it is a propaganda piece coming out of the Chinese propaganda machine, directed not at the Chinese people as it claims, but at the American people, to achieve some predecided affect.

In either case, I don't like being manipulated.
 

Mzkitty

I give up.
ainitfunny said:
I am sorry, but my bs meter is maxing out. This article is a hoax. It is either the propaganda department of OUR nation putting words they want us to think are coming out of the Chinese leaders, OR it is a propaganda piece coming out of the Chinese propaganda machine, directed not at the Chinese people as it claims, but at the American people, to achieve some predecided affect.

In either case, I don't like being manipulated.

What makes you think it's a hoax? As I've said here several times before, I myself heard one of their representatives say on the CBS Morning Show in 1995 when Clinton went to China, "We will make war on the United States and take you over."

:confused:
 

citybear

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I certainly believe this article to be authentic, and reflects EXACTLY what is on the minds of our adversaries. We are all well aware that the communists are nuckin' futs! That being said..........

They've also been quite generous in tipping thier hand. They have given us a timeframe for their plan, 5 to 10 years. This is more than enough time for the USA to rise up and meet the challenge. We can build our military and modernize our weapons, and be ready for these bastards. We could do all of this secretly, just like they think they are, so we surprise them and wipe them out when they think they're ready to do it to us.

This article was written, obviously, by an old school communist, and he acknowledges that their time is really limited by their own people and political environment. So, we could also subvert them by planting the seeds of a civil war in their country. That would be easy, as they are already on the brink of it. We could watch them collapse without ever lifting a military finger.

The USA leadership could do many things to avert this plan, IF THEY WANTED TO.
 

LONEWOLF

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I would resist the tendancy to underestimate the Chicoms. The PRC Govt has been incredibly successful doing what they've been doing and "somehow someway" keeping the power structure essentially intact. Never underestimate the Chinese. What we see and perceive of them is controlled, very little "tipping" of the hand is inadvertant. Feign weakness when you are strong, feign strength when you are weak, etc. they understand themselves AND US completely while we in the US and the West only *think* we do. A huge strength for the Chicoms and a fatal weakness for "Us".
 

TJA

Veteran Member
Real or hoax it has a rather glaring flaw tactically speaking. If a state such as China is willing to use genetically tailored bio weapons, the US, Australia and Canada are hardly the only places large enough to accomodate future Chinese needs. They would be far better off wiping out Africa and India first. Africa simply because the place is resource rich with a lot of physical space yet has no ability to retaliate against China. India simply because there are far too many people there and they are too close to China physically. Although India has some ability to retaliate. Attacking Africa with such weapons is a much better choice though since it could very well be years before someone noticed a new disease. Comparing the 1993 events of Rwanda to recent events in the Gaza strip also shows that people care far less about Africa than probably any place on the planet. The US may have less submarine based nuclear missiles but there are still plenty enough to seriously hurt China if such an attack against the US ever happens.

Another potential flaw in a bio weapon based attack is the possibility that there is only a 5 to 20 year window of opportunity to use such weapons against first world countries such as the US. With the rapidly expanding knowledge base on how DNA really works on the protein and molecular levels coupled with the advances in computer processing, humanity is most likely apporaching a time where cures for just about everything are going to be possible and creating a cure for something new could possibly take time spans as short as minutes in the near future (two decades range I think). The scary part about the current trends with these technologies is that the time is rapidly approaching where a single individual may be able to tailor make their very own genetic base bio weapons. That could happen before everything in these fields advances enough to defeat such weapons quickly.
 

citybear

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I'm not underestimating the Chinese, or anyone else for that matter. That probably stems from my inability nor unwillingness to trust anyone, let alone our historical enemies.

I do believe, however, if we hear sporadic reports of civil unrest in China you can bet your arse the problem is much bigger. We need to exploit it.

If we are now hearing of China's military build up, believe me, it built! Let's catch up. We could do it PDQ if we start NOW!

Since we know about their penchant for "appearing weak when strong" etc. , this indicates that the opposite of what they let the world see is true. Let's exploit that.

Let's also call them on their lies. The next time a chinese official tries to tell our government that they are only trying to further their economic development, and that their military buildup is only for their defense, hang a copy of this essay in his face and tell him to explain it. The listen skeptically.

My point is this. We can, and should, take this propaganda seriosly, and begin to prepare our country BEFORE the war starts. Our weapons should include any and all that they have in their arsenals. Just because we gave some older technology away to them, doesn't mean something new won't or hasn't replaced it. Let's not give it all away.

Our government could do this, IF THEY WANTED TO.
 

American Rage

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Before being conquered by Russia, all of Siberia was populated by Chinese. Fact is that Stalin's Siberian troops were nothing but Russians of Chinese descent. When China wants living space, look for them to head directly north.

As far as them invading America, they'll quickly find that invasion fleets make very tempting nuclear targets.


Rage
 

American Rage

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citybear said:
If we are now hearing of China's military build up, believe me, it built! Let's catch up. We could do it PDQ if we start NOW! [/U]


We don't have the political will. And even if we did, our country has been infiltrated by Marxists to the point that any effort made would be sabotaged (sp?).


Rage
 

Jmurman

Veteran Member
I fail to see how they could design a bio weapon based on chinese vs anglos. If they did, then Russia and the Arabs should also look out.

Interesting article and I gree that for China to "Take over" the US, is far fetched to say the least.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
CHINA OUSTS DEFENSE MINISTER! (This is an old quote)

"Just days ago, this web site published remarks made by Chi Haotian, China's Minister of Defense and vice-chairman of China’s Central Military Commission, which outlined horrific war planning by China against the United States. Tens-of-Thousands of Internet users worldwide read the text of that speech which is still available lower on this page as a story titled "CHINA'S MINISTER OF DEFENSE LAYS OUT WAR PLANS AGAINST THE UNITED STATES!"


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I'm including a great site for info about China

http://www.sinodefence.com/

14 August 2005) China and Russia are to hold their first joint military exercise, code-named "Peace Mission 2005", on 18 August. The one-week exercise will be carried out in Vladivostok and east China's Shandong Peninsula and nearby offshore waters
Read <news/2005/news05-08-14.asp>


Russia Signed AL-31 Engine Deal with China <news/2005/news05-07-31.asp> (31 July 2005) The Russian state-owned arms trading company Rosoboroneksport has concluded a US$300 million deal for the export of 100 modified AL-31FN turbofan engines to China. These engine will be fitted on the PLA Air Force’s latest indigenous J-10 fighter aircraft



Pentagon Publishes Chinese Military Report <news/2005/news05-07-20.asp> (20 July 2005) The Pentagon published the long waited annual report to congress on China's military power on Tuesday. The report says that China is developing new long-range missiles and acquiring an arsenal of sophisticated jets and warships in an ambitious arms buildup
Read <news/2005/news05-07-20.asp>


PLA Streamlines Ground Forces <news/2005/news05-07-16.asp> (16 July 2005) The PLA will cut 200,000 personnel and reform the restructure of its ground troops by the end of year, a move the Chinese official media said was to increase its combat effectiveness


China Opens Weapon Production to Private Business <news/2005/news05-05-29.asp> (29 May 2005) The Chinese government issued a new policy to let private and foreign-funded companies in China participate the development and production of weapon equipment, which was previously under tight state control. The government hopes that this would bring competition into the defence industry


China’s Defence Spending Lower Than Previously Estimated <news/2005/news05-05-22.asp> (22 May 2005) A recent research RAND shows that China's defence spending is between 2.3% and 2.8% of the nation's Gross Domestic Product. This is 40%~70% higher than official Chinese government figures — but substantially lower than many previous outside estimates of the share of GDP that China devotes to defence

Russia to Deliver SS-N-27 to China <news/2005/news29-04-05.asp> (29 April 2005) Russia is to deliver the advanced 3M-54E1 (SS-N-27) anti-ship cruise missile as part of its sale of eight Kilo class diesel-electric submarines to China. U.S. officials believe China is purchasing the weapons in preparation for countering U.S. aircraft carrier battle groups in any future conflict over Taiwan
Read <news/2005/news29-04-05.asp>

US Navy Flagship Visits China <news/2005/news29-03-05.asp> (29 March 2005) The flagship of the U.S. Navy’s Pacific Fleet arrived in the southern Chinese port of Zhanjiang on Monday for a three-day goodwill visit, aiming to warm the Sino-U.S. military ties. Escorted by a PLA Navy missile destroyer 167 Shenzhen, the USS Blue Ridge docked at Zhanjiang in southern China’s Guangdong province
Read <news/2005/news29-03-05.asp>

EU reaffirms plan to lift arms ban <http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/03/19/2003246861> (20 March 2005) The EU reassured China on Thursday that it was pressing ahead with plans to lift a 15-year-old arms embargo on Beijing despite a storm sparked by its "Anti-Secession" Law targeting Taiwan. EU foreign policy chief Javier Solana said the controversial law, which authorizes the use of force if Taipei moves towards independence, had caused "complicated atmospherics" around the debate over the EU arms ban
Read <http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/03/19/2003246861>


China Ends Su-27 License <news/2004/news061104.asp> (6 Nov 2004) According to the report of the Russian news website mosnews.com on 2 November, China has suspended the production of Su-27SK fighter jets under their Russian license, Russia’s Vremya Novostej newspaper reported on Tuesday, Nov. 2. According to Chinese military officials, these planes no longer satisfy the requirements of the Chinese Air Force
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Why is China building all these armaments? Three guesses!
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
I feel that the US is already under attack by the Chinese.

I say this because US technology and capital is being siphoned off at an alarming rate. I understand the basic premise of US strategy in that with enterprise the government figures that it can piggyback culture and ideology on top and as such create "conversion" so to speak.

In other words whats good for business is good for America. Chinese culture doesn't work that way. They have learned over the centuries to absorb the technologies and know how offered to them and incorporate it into their agenda without absorbing conflicting cultures. Maintaining power and ultimate control of their country (culture) is priority one.

Economic power rules other nations and China is building this while the US dies the death of a thousand cuts.. Why would they upset this strategy?? They're winning by default..

Besides their balance sheet is not strong enough to wage a war of attrition which any war with the US would be..

Think about this on your next time you hear these famous words,

"Welcome to Walmart...........How may I help you?"........

p.s. What we're seeing is Darwin at it's best...........the survival of the fittest...........I just hope the Chinese aren't designing some bioengineered flu that affects 'just the white race'....................we'd certainly be in trouble then, wouldn't we?
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
China, Russia Begin More Military Drills By JOE McDONALD, Associated Press Writer
24 minutes ago

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050820/ap_on_re_as/china_russia

BREAKING NEWS

BEIJING - Russian and Chinese paratroopers landed along China's northeastern coast Saturday as some 9,000 soldiers from the two countries began the second stage of their historic first joint military exercises, news reports said.



The war games are the result of warming ties between former Cold War enemies Moscow and Beijing, motivated by growing concern about U.S. dominance of world affairs. China looks to Russia as a source of oil and gas for its booming economy and is spending heavily on high-tech Russian arms to back up its threats to invade rival Taiwan.

The maneuvers began Thursday in the Russian port of Vladivostok.

The exercise Saturday on the Shandong peninsula, which juts into the Yellow Sea, was meant to simulate landing a joint force to stabilize a fictional country.

A group of 86 paratroopers with 18 military vehicles landed at a Chinese training ground and practiced "reaching ... the assault position and the launching of an attack at enemy positions," Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency reported.

About 7,000 Chinese troops and 1,800 Russians with ships, fighter planes and amphibious vehicles are taking part in "Peace Mission 2005," Chinese state television said.

The war games mark a new stage in the nations' transformation into economic and political partners.

The two governments settled the last of their decades-old border disputes last year and are collaborating in a regional security group meant to combat Islamic radicalism in Central Asia.

The exercises this week are meant to improve cooperation in "dealing with crises and organizing coordinated actions in the backdrop of the fight against terrorism, separatism and extremism," China's official Xinhua News Agency said.

China's secretive military barred most foreign reporters from the exercises. ITAR-Tass said even Russian media were refused access to Chinese forces.

Russian and Chinese officials tried earlier this week to reassure their neighbors, saying the military exercises were not directed at any other country.

Chinese state television's evening news showed Chinese and Russian officers gathered in a command center before computer screens with maps of the exercise.

The report showed Chinese soldiers driving tanks and troop carriers and preparing for parachute jumps, though it did not say whether those activities occurred Saturday. It showed Russian fighters and cargo planes landing at a Chinese base, and a Chinese schoolgirl giving a bouquet of flowers to a Russian naval officer.

State television did not mention the paratrooper landing reported by ITAR-Tass.

Saturday's exercise was to include 14 ships and about 50 Russian and Chinese warplanes and the midair refueling of Russian-made Chinese Sukhoi-30 interceptors by a Russian tanker, according to ITAR-Tass.

China's 2.5 million-member People's Liberation Army has become the biggest buyer of Russian arms, spending billions of dollars on supersonic fighter planes, submarines and other high-tech hardware.

The exercises this week let Russia showcase long-range strategic bombers that it hopes to sell to Beijing.

But the exercises have sparked debate in Russia over how closely the nation should cooperate with China, which many Russians see as a potential threat because of its size, economic might and proximity to sparsely populated, resource-rich Siberia.
 

UnusualSuspect

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doctor_fungcool said:
p.s. What we're seeing is Darwin at it's best...........the survival of the fittest...........I just hope the Chinese aren't designing some bioengineered flu that affects 'just the white race'....................we'd certainly be in trouble then, wouldn't we?

This would be difficult to say the least, considering that all humans are genetically very similiar. "Race" becomes spotty at best at the DNA level. So suppose they do design such a bio-weapon. What about the millions of African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics? How about the millions upon millions more with mixed ancestery? How "white" do you need to be for this disease, chemical, whatever to affect you?

On the flip side of the coin, what about Indians? They are the closest race to being "white", genetically speaking. What if the weapon turns out to be more general than desired? If it's a virus or bacteria, how do the Chinese prevent it from mutating and affecting other races, including the one that origionally designed it?

I'm not saying such a weapon isn't possible, I'm just saying that I'm highly skeptical it would work the way they want.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
Personally, I think we are going to have to simply, suddenly, without warning or discussion make a glass parking lot out of China.

Any "running the idea up the flagpole to see who salutes" the idea of nuking China MUST BE DISMISSED. We CANNOT allow ANY telegraphing of that surprise punch lest we find ourselves pre-empted and conquered or destroyed ourself. In fact, I don't think Congress itself ought to be warned or the already minimal secrecy (due to infiltration of our highest offices by Chinese operatives and agents) would be further comprimised.

THE ONLY WAR WE COULD WIN WITH CHINA WOULD BE A NUCLEAR ONE, AND THAT ONLY IF WE ENGAGED THEM IN A SUPRISE ANNIHILATION ATTACK. Any other type of war with that nation spells annihilation for America. And, the time grows short for us to make our move to avert the looming threat approaching to eradicate our nation and people.

We can make our heartfelt regrets and "apologies and promises to the world to never do it again" AFTER we secure our nation against this most real of ALL threats.

Incidently, it would NOT be wise to use a "few well placed" nukes to "teach them a lesson". Near utter annihilation and COMPLETE destruction of the nation would be necessary to avert a reprisal beyond our surviving. WHY? Because if we if we destroy only 75% of the nation in a mistaken "minimal" use of force, WE STILL END UP FACING MORE POTENTIAL CHINESE SOLDIERS LEFT TO PURSUE AN ATTACK ON US THAN WE HAVE PEOPLE IN OUR ENTIRE POPULATION(FAR BEYOND THE SIZE OF OUR ENTIRE MILITARY)!!

Of course, because of the defense agreements between Russia and China, it would be necessary to also at the same time NUKE EVERY KNOWN RUSSIAN MISSILE DEFENSE FACILITY AND MAJOR BASE. But, as a history of Russian tendency to serve and ally with whomever seems the strongest, it would not be necessary to completely eradicate Russia also. Merely taking out their nuclear strike capacity and most of their major military facilities would be sufficient to assure their new alliance with us.

Actually, we need to simply wake up one day and hear that the entire action was accomplished the previous night.
 
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snowmiser

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Fuzzychick said:
Green, you're cool...continue posting away...there's alot of diverse opinions here, but you have the right to post yours..don't be diswayed... :spns:
i did not say Green didn't have the right to his or her opinion. i merely pointed out that the content had already been posted a few days earlier. there's a difference.
 

Green

Paranoid in Los Angeles
Morning Snowmiser! We cool. I took your original comment with a wink. I was more concerned about being hit with a trout from the mods for a potential dupe thread. :whistle:

When I first read the text of this speech a couple of days ago I darn near messed my pants, and then I darn near put a deposit on a farm in rural Eastern Oregon to go hide out. Because I for one do believe the sentiments expressed by this Chinse guy. And I don't care if he has been sacked or promoted by the Chicom, from the elaberate rationale this guy gives its obvious to me that the Chinese have given an attack on the U.S. a lot of thought. A LOT of thought.

I just finished a three week trial in Ventura County, CA where our side was up againt what I believe to be Chinese mob money, with a Chinese doctor and a Chinese psychologist testifying against our city. (The plaintiff and his attorneys were attempting to extract millions from my city for a modest accident with the Chinese doctors suppling the fradulent testimony to support plaintiff's claims) What struck me was these guys were really, really bright, and they were dripping in money. They flew back and forth between the U.S. (SoCal) and China, they were fully plugged with connections here and there. During the ramp up to trial and through the trial I kept thinking over and over how damn tricky these guys were, and how often they had been able to convince prior juries and defendants to fork over big money based on Chinese chicanery.

And the more I thought about my Chinese courtroom adversaries, the more my blood boiled about the current U.S. military situation. With our military over extended and on the verge of logistic breakdown we are incapable of doing much conventionally to counter the Chinese should they decide to play their hand. (Don't get mad about my last comment, I served six years as a I Corps logistics officer at the 304th Material Management Center, West Los Angeles and was one of the first SARSS (Standard Army Retail Supply System) trained supervisors back in 1994/1995. At one time recently I was as up to speed as anyone in the Army system on matters logistics).

Oh, yes. They are very smart. And very tricky.

And that is what really scares me.
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
UnusualSuspect said:
This would be difficult to say the least, considering that all humans are genetically very similiar. "Race" becomes spotty at best at the DNA level. So suppose they do design such a bio-weapon. What about the millions of African Americans, Asian Americans, Native Americans, and Hispanics? How about the millions upon millions more with mixed ancestery? How "white" do you need to be for this disease, chemical, whatever to affect you?

On the flip side of the coin, what about Indians? They are the closest race to being "white", genetically speaking. What if the weapon turns out to be more general than desired? If it's a virus or bacteria, how do the Chinese prevent it from mutating and affecting other races, including the one that origionally designed it?

I'm not saying such a weapon isn't possible, I'm just saying that I'm highly skeptical it would work the way they want.

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Microbiologists With Link to Race-Based Weapon Turning Up Dead
More on Kelly.

Dr. David Kelly - the biological warfare weapons specialist at the heart of the continuing political crisis for the British government - had links to three other top microbiologists whose deaths have left unanswered questions.

The 59-year-old British scientist was involved with ultra secret work at Israel's Institute for Biological Re search. Israeli sources claim Kelly met institute scientists several times in London in the past two years.

Israel has not signed the Biological Weapons and Toxins Convention, an international treaty ratified by more than 140 countries. It forbids the development, possession and use of offensive biological and chemical weapons.

The CIA, FBI and MI5 are now examining Kelly's connections. Their findings could form part of the British government's inquiry into the background of Kelly's death, which opened last week.

The intelligence investigation is believed to have originated in Washington, where it emerged that Kelly had contacts with two companies in the U.S. bio-defense industry.

The two American scientists he had worked with were Benito Que, 52, and Don Wiley, 57. Both microbiologists had been engaged in DNA sequencing that could provide "a genetic marker based on genetic profiling." The research could play an important role in developing weaponized pathogens to hit selected groups of humans - identifying them by race. Two years ago, both men were found dead, in circumstances never fully explained.

In November 2001, Que left his laboratory after receiving a telephone call. Shortly afterward he was found comatose in the parking lot of the Miami Medical School. He died without regaining consciousness.

Police said he had suffered a heart attack. His family insisted he had been in perfect health and claimed four men attacked him. But, later, oddly, the family inquest returned a verdict of death by natural causes.
lly, himself an expert on DNA sequencing when he was head of microbiology at Porton Down, had been kept fully abreast of the two men's research.

The death of a third microbiologist - Vladimir Pasechnik, 64 - has left even more questions.
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Kelly had played a key role in debriefing Pasechnik when he fled to Britain in 1989, bringing with him details of Russian plans to use cruise missiles to spread smallpox and plague, the Black Death of medieval times, which killed a third of Europe's population. Before the plans could be brought to completion, the Soviet Union had collapsed. Pasechnik had warned Kelly and his MI6 debriefers that the weapons could be used by terror groups - using missiles obtained from China or North Korea.

Kelly, with government approval, had helped Pasechnik create Regma Biotechnologies. Regma was allowed to set up a laboratory in Porton Down.

Research there is classified as top secret. However, in August 2002, the company obtained a contract with the U.S. Navy for "the diagnostic and therapeutic treatment of anthrax."

On Nov. 16, 2001, Pasechnik was found dead in bed - 10 days after he and Wiley had met in Boston to discuss the latest developments in DNA sequencing.

It was only a month later that Christopher Davis, a former MI6 officer and a specialist in DNA sequencing as a potential weapon, announced Pasechnik's death.

Davis had retired from MI6 and settled in Great Falls, Va. He confirmed to a reporter that Pasechnik was dead - from a stroke - a month after the microbiologist had been buried.

Details of the postmortem were not revealed at an inquest, in which the press was given no prior notice. Colleagues who had worked with Pasechnik said he was in good health.

Why was it left to Davis to announce Pasechnik's death? Who authorized the announcement? Did an MI6 pathologist conduct the autopsy, as one source close to the service claims? Why did Pasechnik continue to visit Porton Down up to a week before his death? Who authorized his security clearance to enter one of the most restricted establishments in Britain?

Kelly's links to the Institute of Biological Research in the Tel Aviv suburb of Nes Zions are also intriguing.

His connection to the secret biological plant began in October 2001, shortly after a commercial flight en route from Israel to Novosibirsk in Siberia was blown up over the Black Sea by a Ukrainian surface-to-air missile.

All on board the flight were killed, including five Russian microbiologists returning to their research institute in Novosibirsk - a city known as the scientific capital of Siberia. It has 50 facilities and 13 universities.

Many questions remain about the death of these five scientists. Why did Mossad send a team to Ukraine to investigate the crash? What became of their report after it was submitted to the Israeli government? Why do the Ukrainian authorities still insist they cannot reveal the name of the dead microbiologists? Did Pasechnik know them - or, more importantly, did Kelly?

The Institute for Biological Research is one of the most secret places in Israel. Only Dimona, the country's nuclear facility in the Negev desert, is surrounded by more secrecy. Most of the institute's 12 acres of facilities are underground. Laboratories are only reached through airlocks.

There have been persistent reports that the institute is also engaged in DNA sequencing research. One former member of the Knesset, Dedi Zucker, caused a storm in the Israeli Parliament when he claimed that the institute was "trying to create an ethnic specific weapon" in which Arabs could be targeted by Israeli weapons.


Patricia A. Doyle, PhD Please visit my "Emerging Diseases" message board at: http://www.clickitnews.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=emergingdiseases Zhan le Devlesa tai sastimasa Go with God and in Good Health




The record speaks for itself: Here's the history of printed stories on the microbiologists:

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/04_04_02_new_biowar.html

http://fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/050903_SARS_summary.html

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So yes, genetic markers and bio-weapons are probably possible..........and maybe, combined with a flu virus, have already been manufactured. Why else would all these scientists suddenly disappear?
 
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