Saddam Hussein really was behind 9/11 after all...
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I don't go with it.
"Iraq War is a JUST CAUSE because Saddam Hussein's Iraq was behind 9/11 and other acts of terror against the U.S. that caused the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans."
What rubbish even if all of what has been written was true the US didn't go into Iraq because of information that has just perhaps come to light.
If you on the other hand believed that 911 was mastered minded by a Kuwaiti then why did the US support Kuwait against Iraq?
You attacked Afghanistan because of Osama bin Laden after 911 when he and most of those involved in 911 were from Saudi Arabia.
Saddam Hussein plus many, many others were happy over 911. The Palestinians were very happy over 911 but all I hear from the US is oh, the poor Palestinians; here is some money.
The truth of the matter is that for a very long time the US has been supporting one group against another in the Middle East so when you do this you must expect to make enemies. You are currently supporting groups against the government in Iran. Your support is for killing and destroying against those in government etc, far away from the US.
US backing 'secret war' against Iran? | csmonitor.comThe US government has been secretly supporting a Pakistani militant group that has staged a series of deadly attacks against Iran, ABC News reported, ...
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U.S. Funding Armed Groups to Overthrow Iranian Government: AuthorIt's very hard to judge how much support these groups have in Tehran. ... RE: KDPI strongly opposes any U.S. military attacks against Iran, arguing it will ...
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TV Images of Palestinians CelebratingI, like you, sat in front of the TV and was presented with images of "Palestinians celebrating" the terrorism of 9/11/01 over and over again. ...
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"Iraq War is a JUST CAUSE because Saddam Hussein's Iraq was behind 9/11 and other acts of terror against the U.S. that caused the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans."
What rubbish even if all of what has been written was true the US didn't go into Iraq because of information that has just perhaps come to light.
If you on the other hand believed that 911 was mastered minded by a Kuwaiti then why did the US support Kuwait against Iraq?
You attacked Afghanistan because of Osama bin Laden after 911 when he and most of those involved in 911 were from Saudi Arabia.
Saddam Hussein plus many, many others were happy over 911. The Palestinians were very happy over 911 but all I hear from the US is oh, the poor Palestinians; here is some money.
The truth of the matter is that for a very long time the US has been supporting one group against another in the Middle East so when you do this you must expect to make enemies. You are currently supporting groups against the government in Iran. Your support is for killing and destroying against those in government etc, far away from the US.
US backing 'secret war' against Iran? | csmonitor.comThe US government has been secretly supporting a Pakistani militant group that has staged a series of deadly attacks against Iran, ABC News reported, ...
www.csmonitor.com/2007/0405/p99s01-duts.html - 74k -
U.S. Funding Armed Groups to Overthrow Iranian Government: AuthorIt's very hard to judge how much support these groups have in Tehran. ... RE: KDPI strongly opposes any U.S. military attacks against Iran, arguing it will ...
www.aina.org/news/20070317151234.htm - 16k -
TV Images of Palestinians CelebratingI, like you, sat in front of the TV and was presented with images of "Palestinians celebrating" the terrorism of 9/11/01 over and over again. ...
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Dear Aunt Peg would you care to prove your case?
Dear Aunt Peg would you care to prove your case? This year will prove that your government cares as much about you as they do about people any where else. You and just about everyone in the US has had their country sold out from under them. Wait till you see what hyperinflation causes to your lives in the US and come back and tell me that you have a caring government. Read the link below at the bottom of this post and see what is planned for us by those in power in Europe and the West.
Dear Aunt Peg would you care to prove your case? This year will prove that your government cares as much about you as they do about people any where else. You and just about everyone in the US has had their country sold out from under them. Wait till you see what hyperinflation causes to your lives in the US and come back and tell me that you have a caring government. Read the link below at the bottom of this post and see what is planned for us by those in power in Europe and the West.
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Please tell me for the love of all that you feel is holy that you do not honestly buy into this....????....
Spirit Of Truth
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Which is quite comical since Laurie Mylroie, who I've been working with on this topic since the mid-1990s, is one of the foremost experts on Saddam Hussein's Iraq in the world:
Spirit Of Truth
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Please tell me for the love of all that you feel is holy that you do not honestly buy into this....????....
What's wrong....can't you think for yourself?
Just look at the part of my article regarding the Khalid Mohammed confession transcript. The Khalid Mohammed that studied in North Carolina was known to speak flawless English. He earned a 4-year engineering degree in less than 3 years!
Here's the excerpt from the transcript I cite:
How can you believe this is the same Khalid Mohammed that studied in North Carolina?
Why does everyone have blind faith in U.S. Intelligence when out intelligence services are so clearly incompetent and stupid....and this includes the governing elite and George Bush who should be all over this information.
THINK FOR YOURSELVES!!!!
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I'm not interested in feelings....I'll leave that to liberals.
I'm interested in the truth and will follow the evidence to the truth no matter where it takes me.
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Wow
It is as I said an artical that has just come out years after the US has gone into Iraq. The 9-11 event has what a thousand different stories now so how is one of us supposed to get to the truth of what really went on behind the curtain. Who is to blame for planning it? Who paid the bills?
How many millions of people who had nothing to do with 911 have to die in the name of whatever?
The US supported Saddam Hussein and his party to power in the first place in a country where there are many different races. Some of these groups suffered under Saddan. It's the same all over the place in the Middle East where the US has supported one group over another.
My best friend back home did the overland trip through Afghanistan before Russia or America went in. He had a wonderful time there with the people. Afghanistan is and has been a very poor country with friendly people. Some threat they were to the world.
When I hop onto a country bus here in China with the country people I have a good time. If the US gets into a war with China do these country people suddenly become terrible dangerous people? I live in big city where I am the only Western person and I walk everywhere and I haven't had any trouble. I don't wish ordinary people anywhere hate.
This artical here on Timebomb shows some of the problems back in the US.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=272096
It is as I said an artical that has just come out years after the US has gone into Iraq. The 9-11 event has what a thousand different stories now so how is one of us supposed to get to the truth of what really went on behind the curtain. Who is to blame for planning it? Who paid the bills?
How many millions of people who had nothing to do with 911 have to die in the name of whatever?
The US supported Saddam Hussein and his party to power in the first place in a country where there are many different races. Some of these groups suffered under Saddan. It's the same all over the place in the Middle East where the US has supported one group over another.
My best friend back home did the overland trip through Afghanistan before Russia or America went in. He had a wonderful time there with the people. Afghanistan is and has been a very poor country with friendly people. Some threat they were to the world.
When I hop onto a country bus here in China with the country people I have a good time. If the US gets into a war with China do these country people suddenly become terrible dangerous people? I live in big city where I am the only Western person and I walk everywhere and I haven't had any trouble. I don't wish ordinary people anywhere hate.
This artical here on Timebomb shows some of the problems back in the US.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?t=272096
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I do not have blind faith in U.S. Intel. I am not a flag waving, warmongering, football watching, hoot and hollering, typical American.
Holy hell man. The only reason we assisted the Afghans against the Russians was the get a foothold for later for the pipeline from the caspian sea and the opium fields.
The piece is an opinion and is bogus and misinformed.
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Humm...
J, I have an open mind and I see that the prospects of what is outlined here could be potentially massive.
My initial thought, why would any Kuwaiti want to attack the US, a country which lead the charge that forced Saddam out of their country.
The revelation that a Kuwaiti family was killed and it's identity siezed for use in covert operations by Iraqi sponsored operatives makes perfect, logical sense to me.
I don't buy in to conspiracy theories. I do, however, know perfectly well that conspiracies exist and there certainly were those who conspired to bring about 9/11.
9/11 could not have taken place without the backing of one or more nation states who provided intel, logistics, etc.
Saddam was an obvious enemy with a history of funding and sponsoring terrorism in Israel. Why wouldn't he also do the same with the United States?
I appreciate your insight and that of Dr. Mylroie.
Thank you.
Mike
J, I have an open mind and I see that the prospects of what is outlined here could be potentially massive.
My initial thought, why would any Kuwaiti want to attack the US, a country which lead the charge that forced Saddam out of their country.
The revelation that a Kuwaiti family was killed and it's identity siezed for use in covert operations by Iraqi sponsored operatives makes perfect, logical sense to me.
I don't buy in to conspiracy theories. I do, however, know perfectly well that conspiracies exist and there certainly were those who conspired to bring about 9/11.
9/11 could not have taken place without the backing of one or more nation states who provided intel, logistics, etc.
Saddam was an obvious enemy with a history of funding and sponsoring terrorism in Israel. Why wouldn't he also do the same with the United States?
I appreciate your insight and that of Dr. Mylroie.
Thank you.
Mike
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Your grasp of history is dumbfounding CC...
Saddam's Baath Socialist Party took power with American-backing?
There really is a large portion of the population that goes to all lengths to delude themselves, isn't there.
I just don't get it. To what End?
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Well
Laurie Mylroie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaLaurie Mylroie (born 1953) is a U.S. author who has written several controversial and heavily criticized books on the subject of Iraq and the War on Terror. ...
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"Armchair Provocateur" by Peter BergenLaurie Mylroie: The Neocons' favorite conspiracy theorist. ... part of the reason has to do with someone you may well have never heard of: Laurie Mylroie. ...
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This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party t
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until 1966, when he was made Director.
In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958, he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, US-puppet state, i.e., Pakistan) and decriminalizing the Iraqi Communist Party. Despite these actions, and more likely because of them, he was Iraq's most popular leader. He had to go!
In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq.
Iraq is once again a target of US regime change. Despite that, precious little is being said by the corporate media about how the CIA aided and abetted political assassination, regime change and mass murder, all in the name of putting Saddam's Ba'ath power into power for the first time in Iraq.
One thing is for sure, the US will find it much harder to remove the Ba'ath Party from power in Iraq than they did putting them in power back in 1963. If more people knew about this diabolical history, they just might not be so inclined to trust the US in its current efforts to execute regime change in Iraq.
Here then are some quotations that I've gathered on this fascinating early history of CIA involvement in the vicious history of regime change in Iraq:
In early 1963, Saddam had more important things to worry about than his outstanding bill at the Andiana Cafe. On February 8, a military coup in Baghdad, in which the Baath Party played a leading role, overthrew Qassim. Support for the conspirators was limited. In the first hours of fighting, they had only nine tanks under their control. The Baath Party had just 850 active members. But Qassim ignored warnings about the impending coup. What tipped the balance against him was the involvement of the United States. He had taken Iraq out of the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact. In 1961, he threatened to occupy Kuwait and nationalized part of the Iraq Petroleum Company (IPC), the foreign oil consortium that exploited Iraq's oil. In retrospect, it was the ClAs favorite coup. We really had the ts crossed on what was happening, James Critchfield, then head of the CIA in the Middle East, told us. We regarded it as a great victory. Iraqi participants later confirmed American involvement. We came to power on a CIA train, admitted Ali Saleh Sa'adi, the Baath Party secretary general who was about to institute an unprecedented reign of terror. CIA assistance reportedly included coordination of the coup plotters from the agency's station inside the U.S. embassy in Baghdad as well as a clandestine radio station in Kuwait and solicitation of advice from around the Middle East on who on the left should be eliminated once the coup was successful. To the end, Qassim retained his popularity in the streets of Baghdad. After his execution, his sup- porters refused to believe he was dead until the coup leaders showed pictures of his bullet-riddled body on TV and in the newspapers.
Source: Alfred Mendes,
Excerpt from Blood for Oil, Spectr@zine.
<http://www.spectrezine.org/war/Mendes.htm>
The Ba'athist coup, resulted in the return to Iraq of young fellow-Ba'athist Saddam Hussein, who had fled to Egypt after his earlier abortive attempt to assassinate Qasim. Saddam was immediately assigned to head the Al-Jihaz al-Khas, the clandestine Ba'athist Intelligence organisation. As such, he was soon involved in the killing of some 5,000 communists. Saddam's rise to power had, ironically, begun on the back of a CIA-engineered coup!
Source: From Practical History,
London, May 2000.
<http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7672/iraq.html>
1963: Qasim's government is overthrown in a coup bringing the Arab nationalist Ba'ath party to power. They favour the joining together of Iraq, Egypt and Syria in one Arab nation. In the same year, the Ba'ath also come to power in Syria, although the Syrian and Iraqi parties subsequently split.
The Ba'ath strengthen links with the U.S. During the coup, demonstrators are mown down by tanks, initiating a period of ruthless persecution. Up to 10,000 people are imprisoned, many are tortured. The CIA supply intelligence to the Ba'athists on communists and radicals to be rounded up. In addition to the 149 officially executed, about 5,000 are killed in the terror, many buried alive in mass graves. The new government continues the war on the Kurds, bombarding them with tanks, artillery and from the air, and bulldozing villages.
Source: Muslimedia:
August 16-31, 1997
<http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/saddam.htm>
Iraqis have always suspected that the 1963 military coup that set Saddam Husain on the road to absolute power had been masterminded by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). New evidence just published reveals that the agency not only engineered the putsch but also supplied the list of people to be eliminated once power was secured--a monstrous stratagem that led to the decimation of Iraq's professional class.
The overthrow of president Abdul Karim Kassim on February 8, 1963 was not, of course, the first intervention in the region by the agency, but it was the bloodiest--far bloodier than the coup it orchestrated in 1953 to restore the shah of Iran to power. Just how gory, and how deep the CIA's involvement in it, is demonstrated in a new book by Said Aburish, a writer on Arab political affairs.
The book, A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite (1997), sets out the details not only of how the CIA closely controlled the planning stages but also how it played a central role in the subsequent purge of suspected leftists after the coup.
The author reckons that 5,000 were killed, giving the names of 600 of them--including many doctors, lawyers, teachers and professors who formed Iraq's educated elite. The massacre was carried out on the basis of death lists provided by the CIA.
The lists were compiled in CIA stations throughout the Middle East with the assistance of Iraqi exiles like Saddam, who was based in Egypt. An Egyptian intelligence officer, who obtained a good deal of his information from Saddam, helped the Cairo CIA station draw up its list. According to Aburish, however, the American agent who produced the longest list was William McHale, who operated under the cover of a news correspondent for the Beirut bureau of Time magazine.
The butchery began as soon as the lists reached Baghdad. No-one was spared. Even pregnant women and elderly men were killed. Some were tortured in front of their children. According to the author, Saddam who 'had rushed back to Iraq from exile in Cairo to join the victors, was personally involved in the torture of leftists in the separate detention centres for fellaheen [peasants] and the Muthaqafeen or educated classes.'
King Hussain of Jordan, who maintained close links with the CIA, says the death lists were relayed by radio to Baghdad from Kuwait, the foreign base for the Iraqi coup. According to him, a secret radio broadcast was made from Kuwait on the day of the coup, February 8, 'that relayed to those carrying out the coup the names and addresses of communists there, so they could be seized and executed.'
The CIA's royal collaborator also gives an insight into how closely the Ba'athist party and American intelligence operators worked together during the planning stages. 'Many meetings were held between the Ba'ath party and American intelligence--the most critical ones in Kuwait,' he says.
At the time the Ba'ath party was a small nationalist movement with only 850 members. But the CIA decided to use it because of its close relations with the army. One of its members tried to assassinate Kassim as early as 1959. Saddam, then 22, was wounded in the leg, later fleeing the country.
According to Aburish, the Ba'ath party leaders--in return for CIA support--agreed to 'undertake a cleansing programme to get rid of the communists and their leftist allies.' Hani Fkaiki, a Ba'ath party leader, says that the party's contact man who orchestrated the coup was William Lakeland, the US assistant military attache in Baghdad.
One of the coup leaders, colonel Saleh Mahdi Ammash, former Iraqi assistant military attache in Washington, was in fact arrested for being in touch with Lakeland in Baghdad. His arrest caused the conspirators to move earlier than they had planned.
Aburish's book shows that the Ba'ath leaders did not deny plotting with the CIA ro overthrow Kassim. When Syrian Ba'ath party officials demanded to know why they were in cahoots with the US agency, the Iraqis tried to justify it in terms of ideology comparing their collusion to 'Lenin arriving in a German train to carry out his revolution.' Ali Saleh, the minister of interior of the regime which had replaced Kassim, said: 'We came to power on a CIA train.'
It should not come as a surprise that the Americans were so eager to overthrow Kassim or so willing to cause such a blood bath to achieve their objective. At the height of the cold war, they were causing similar mayhem in Latin America and Indo-China overthrowing any leaders that dared show the slighest degree of independence.
Kassim was a prime target for US aggression and arrogance. After taking power in 1958, he took Iraq out of the Baghdad Pact, the US-backed anti-Soviet alliance in the Middle East, and in 1961 he dared nationalise part of the concession of the British-controlled Iraq Petroleum company and resurrected a long-standing Iraqi claim to Kuwait ( the regime which succeeded him immediately dropped the claim to Kuwait).
But the cold war does not by itself explain Uncle Sam's propensity to violence. When president George Bush bombed Iraq to smithereens, killing thousands of civilians, the cold war was over. Clinton cannot cite the cold war for insisting that the brutal regime of sanctions imposed on the country should stay.
In fact the brutal, blood-stained nature of Uncle Sam goes back all the way to the so-called 'Founding Fathers,' who made no attempt to conceal it. As long ago as 1818, John Quincy Adams hailed the 'salutary efficacy' of terror in dealing with 'mingled hordes of lawless Indians and negroes.' He was defending Andrew Jackson's frenzied operations in Florida which virtually wiped out the indigenous population and left the Spanish province under US control. Thomas Jefferson and his colleagues were not above professing to be impressed by the wisdom of his words.
Source: Kryss Katsiavriades and Talaat Qureshi,
The Acts of the Democracies: 1960 to 1964
<http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_1960to1964.html>
Kassem had helped found the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) in an attempt to curtail Western control of Arab oil. He had been planning to nationalise the Iraq Petroleum Company in which the USA had an interest. Iraq had also disapproved when Kuwait had been given independence by the UK with a pro-west emir (king) and oil concessions to Western companies. A few days before the coup, the French newspaper La Monde had reported that Kassem had been warned by the USA government to change his country's economic policies or face sanctions. British government papers later declassified would indicate that the coup was backed by the USA and UK. The new government promises not to nationalise American oil interests and renounces its claim to Kuwait. The USA recognises and praises the new government.
Source: Gareth Smyth,
In the Middle East, the CIA has hurt its friends and helped its own enemies.
<http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/cia276_files/home_files/azpolitics_03.htm>
A history of twists and turns, with the CIA often as a blunt axe, have made it very difficult for the United States to be seen as a reliable, or even honest, presence in the Middle East. The resentment is not confined to Arabs. Nine years ago, Massoud Barzani, who has rarely ever traveled away from Kurdistan, agreed to visit Washington with a deputation of the opposition Iraqi National Congress (INC). Massoud, used to the traditional baggy trousers and cummerbund, looked uncomfortable in an Armani suit at receptions, but the INC was keen to create the right impression with senators and opinion-formers. Nonetheless, Massoud refused an invitation to visit Henry Kissinger.
Despite all the compromises of Kurdish politics, Massoud had never forgiven the former secretary of state for engineering the 1975 Algiers agreement between Iraq and Iran, when the two sides suddenly settled long-standing differences and felt free to deal with their internal problems, including the Kurds. Algiers came just two years after Massoud went to Washington to meet Richard Helms, the CIA director, and Al Haig, the White House chief of staff a meeting that led to both CIA and Israeli advisers moving into northern Iraq to help the Kurds. Algiers left the Kurds high and dry, ending a generation of Kurdish revolt led by Massoud's father, Mulla Mustafa, whose broken heart sent him into exile and an early death. Even if those in Washington forgot quickly, Massoud did not.
The relationship between the CIA and Saddam Hussein is a long one. In 1963, the Americans plotted with the Ba'ath against Abdel Karim Kassem, a man who, in the words of the writer Said Aburish, retains more of the affection of the Iraqi people than any leader this century. The CIA supplied lists for the Ba'ath to kill leftists and communists, and Washington flew arms to Kirkuk to use against the Kurds.
In Aburish's biography of the Iraqi leader, the author quotes many anti-Saddam Iraqis including Ahmad Chalabi, leader of the INC on CIA cooperation with the second Ba'ath coup in 1968. Later, in the 1980s, the United States and Britain helped arm Saddam in his confrontation with Iran only to turn against him over the 1990 Kuwait crisis. When in 1991 the Iraqi people rose against Saddam, the United States was fearful that change would put its majority Shi'ites and thus Iran in power, and US forces stood by as the Republican Guard crushed the rebellion. The CIA then worked on sponsoring a coup in Baghdad, a strategy that crumbled in 1996 when Iraqi intelligence infiltrated a conspiracy led by the ex-Ba'athist Iyad Alawi. Having rounded up hundreds of officers, the mukhabarat sent a message to the CIA team in Amman: We have arrested all your people. You might as well pack up and go home.
The CIA's half-hearted support for the INC also ended in 1996, when Saddam exploited Kurdish in-fighting to crush an INC presence in the Kurdish-controlled zone in the north. As Iraqi tanks moved in, the CIA fled and left the INC people to their fate. Washington washed its hands of the affair, and Chalabi noted that CIA officials are not known for their veracity.
Source: Ruth Wilson,
American Policy in Iraq
<http://www.speakeasy.org/wfp/37/american.html>
In 1963, Saddam Hussein worked with the CIA to carry out the coup by the Baath party, which eventually brought him to power in Iraq. The book, A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite by Said K. Aburish, which was reviewed recently in Counterpunch (The CIA: Lest We Forget, CounterPunch. Sept.16-30 1997, p.2), describes how the CIA, Saddam and other members of the Baath party collaborated to bring about the coup, murdering perhaps 5,000 people in the process. The United States went on to help Saddam win the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. According to Noam Chomsky, There were no passionate calls for a military strike after Saddam's gassing of Kurds at Halabja in March, 1988; on the contrary, the US and U.K. extended their strong support for the mass murderer, then, also 'our kind of guy' (Iraq and the UN Sanctions, The Economist, Nov.19 1994, p.47)
Source: Stephen R. Shalom
Middle East Time Line (revised, 12 Dec. 2001)
<http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/pfvs/2001IV/msg01736.html>
1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.
Andrew Cockburn and Patrick Cockburn, Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, New York: Harperperennial. 1999, p. 74; Edith and E. F. Penrose, Iraq: International Relations and National Development, Boulder: Westview, 1978, p. 288; Hanna Batatu, The Old Social Classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq, Princeton: Princeton UP, 1978, pp. 985-86
Source: Thomas Powers,
The Man Who Kept The Secrets: Richard Helms and the CIA, 1979, pp. 160-164.
http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/51/217.html
Another very good example of a CIA-organized regime change was a coup in 1963 that employed political assassination, mass imprisonment, torture and murder. This was the military coup that first brought Saddam Hussein's beloved Ba'ath Party to power in Iraq. At the time, Richard Helms was Director for Plans at the CIA. That is the top CIA position responsible for covert actions, like organizing coups. Helms served in that capacity until 1966, when he was made Director.
In the quotations collected below, the name of the leader who was assassinated is spelled variously as Qasim, Qassim and Kassem. But, however you spell his name, when he took power in a popularly-backed coup in 1958, he certainly got recognized in Washington. He carried out such anti-American and anti-corporatist policies as starting the process of nationalizing foreign oil companies in Iraq, withdrawing Iraq from the US-initiated right-wing Baghdad Pact (which included another military-run, US-puppet state, i.e., Pakistan) and decriminalizing the Iraqi Communist Party. Despite these actions, and more likely because of them, he was Iraq's most popular leader. He had to go!
In 1959, there was a failed assassination attempt on Qasim. The failed assassin was none other than a young Saddam Hussein. In 1963, a CIA-organized coup did successfully assassinate Qasim and Saddam's Ba'ath Party came to power for the first time. Saddam returned from exile in Egypt and took up the key post as head of Iraq's secret service. The CIA then provided the new pliant, Iraqi regime with the names of thousands of communists, and other leftist activists and organizers. Thousands of these supporters of Qasim and his policies were soon dead in a rampage of mass murder carried out by the CIA's close friends in Iraq.
Iraq is once again a target of US regime change. Despite that, precious little is being said by the corporate media about how the CIA aided and abetted political assassination, regime change and mass murder, all in the name of putting Saddam's Ba'ath power into power for the first time in Iraq.
One thing is for sure, the US will find it much harder to remove the Ba'ath Party from power in Iraq than they did putting them in power back in 1963. If more people knew about this diabolical history, they just might not be so inclined to trust the US in its current efforts to execute regime change in Iraq.
Here then are some quotations that I've gathered on this fascinating early history of CIA involvement in the vicious history of regime change in Iraq:
In early 1963, Saddam had more important things to worry about than his outstanding bill at the Andiana Cafe. On February 8, a military coup in Baghdad, in which the Baath Party played a leading role, overthrew Qassim. Support for the conspirators was limited. In the first hours of fighting, they had only nine tanks under their control. The Baath Party had just 850 active members. But Qassim ignored warnings about the impending coup. What tipped the balance against him was the involvement of the United States. He had taken Iraq out of the anti-Soviet Baghdad Pact. In 1961, he threatened to occupy Kuwait and nationalized part of the Iraq Petroleum Company (IPC), the foreign oil consortium that exploited Iraq's oil. In retrospect, it was the ClAs favorite coup. We really had the ts crossed on what was happening, James Critchfield, then head of the CIA in the Middle East, told us. We regarded it as a great victory. Iraqi participants later confirmed American involvement. We came to power on a CIA train, admitted Ali Saleh Sa'adi, the Baath Party secretary general who was about to institute an unprecedented reign of terror. CIA assistance reportedly included coordination of the coup plotters from the agency's station inside the U.S. embassy in Baghdad as well as a clandestine radio station in Kuwait and solicitation of advice from around the Middle East on who on the left should be eliminated once the coup was successful. To the end, Qassim retained his popularity in the streets of Baghdad. After his execution, his sup- porters refused to believe he was dead until the coup leaders showed pictures of his bullet-riddled body on TV and in the newspapers.
Source: Alfred Mendes,
Excerpt from Blood for Oil, Spectr@zine.
<http://www.spectrezine.org/war/Mendes.htm>
The Ba'athist coup, resulted in the return to Iraq of young fellow-Ba'athist Saddam Hussein, who had fled to Egypt after his earlier abortive attempt to assassinate Qasim. Saddam was immediately assigned to head the Al-Jihaz al-Khas, the clandestine Ba'athist Intelligence organisation. As such, he was soon involved in the killing of some 5,000 communists. Saddam's rise to power had, ironically, begun on the back of a CIA-engineered coup!
Source: From Practical History,
London, May 2000.
<http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/7672/iraq.html>
1963: Qasim's government is overthrown in a coup bringing the Arab nationalist Ba'ath party to power. They favour the joining together of Iraq, Egypt and Syria in one Arab nation. In the same year, the Ba'ath also come to power in Syria, although the Syrian and Iraqi parties subsequently split.
The Ba'ath strengthen links with the U.S. During the coup, demonstrators are mown down by tanks, initiating a period of ruthless persecution. Up to 10,000 people are imprisoned, many are tortured. The CIA supply intelligence to the Ba'athists on communists and radicals to be rounded up. In addition to the 149 officially executed, about 5,000 are killed in the terror, many buried alive in mass graves. The new government continues the war on the Kurds, bombarding them with tanks, artillery and from the air, and bulldozing villages.
Source: Muslimedia:
August 16-31, 1997
<http://www.muslimedia.com/archives/features98/saddam.htm>
Iraqis have always suspected that the 1963 military coup that set Saddam Husain on the road to absolute power had been masterminded by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). New evidence just published reveals that the agency not only engineered the putsch but also supplied the list of people to be eliminated once power was secured--a monstrous stratagem that led to the decimation of Iraq's professional class.
The overthrow of president Abdul Karim Kassim on February 8, 1963 was not, of course, the first intervention in the region by the agency, but it was the bloodiest--far bloodier than the coup it orchestrated in 1953 to restore the shah of Iran to power. Just how gory, and how deep the CIA's involvement in it, is demonstrated in a new book by Said Aburish, a writer on Arab political affairs.
The book, A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite (1997), sets out the details not only of how the CIA closely controlled the planning stages but also how it played a central role in the subsequent purge of suspected leftists after the coup.
The author reckons that 5,000 were killed, giving the names of 600 of them--including many doctors, lawyers, teachers and professors who formed Iraq's educated elite. The massacre was carried out on the basis of death lists provided by the CIA.
The lists were compiled in CIA stations throughout the Middle East with the assistance of Iraqi exiles like Saddam, who was based in Egypt. An Egyptian intelligence officer, who obtained a good deal of his information from Saddam, helped the Cairo CIA station draw up its list. According to Aburish, however, the American agent who produced the longest list was William McHale, who operated under the cover of a news correspondent for the Beirut bureau of Time magazine.
The butchery began as soon as the lists reached Baghdad. No-one was spared. Even pregnant women and elderly men were killed. Some were tortured in front of their children. According to the author, Saddam who 'had rushed back to Iraq from exile in Cairo to join the victors, was personally involved in the torture of leftists in the separate detention centres for fellaheen [peasants] and the Muthaqafeen or educated classes.'
King Hussain of Jordan, who maintained close links with the CIA, says the death lists were relayed by radio to Baghdad from Kuwait, the foreign base for the Iraqi coup. According to him, a secret radio broadcast was made from Kuwait on the day of the coup, February 8, 'that relayed to those carrying out the coup the names and addresses of communists there, so they could be seized and executed.'
The CIA's royal collaborator also gives an insight into how closely the Ba'athist party and American intelligence operators worked together during the planning stages. 'Many meetings were held between the Ba'ath party and American intelligence--the most critical ones in Kuwait,' he says.
At the time the Ba'ath party was a small nationalist movement with only 850 members. But the CIA decided to use it because of its close relations with the army. One of its members tried to assassinate Kassim as early as 1959. Saddam, then 22, was wounded in the leg, later fleeing the country.
According to Aburish, the Ba'ath party leaders--in return for CIA support--agreed to 'undertake a cleansing programme to get rid of the communists and their leftist allies.' Hani Fkaiki, a Ba'ath party leader, says that the party's contact man who orchestrated the coup was William Lakeland, the US assistant military attache in Baghdad.
One of the coup leaders, colonel Saleh Mahdi Ammash, former Iraqi assistant military attache in Washington, was in fact arrested for being in touch with Lakeland in Baghdad. His arrest caused the conspirators to move earlier than they had planned.
Aburish's book shows that the Ba'ath leaders did not deny plotting with the CIA ro overthrow Kassim. When Syrian Ba'ath party officials demanded to know why they were in cahoots with the US agency, the Iraqis tried to justify it in terms of ideology comparing their collusion to 'Lenin arriving in a German train to carry out his revolution.' Ali Saleh, the minister of interior of the regime which had replaced Kassim, said: 'We came to power on a CIA train.'
It should not come as a surprise that the Americans were so eager to overthrow Kassim or so willing to cause such a blood bath to achieve their objective. At the height of the cold war, they were causing similar mayhem in Latin America and Indo-China overthrowing any leaders that dared show the slighest degree of independence.
Kassim was a prime target for US aggression and arrogance. After taking power in 1958, he took Iraq out of the Baghdad Pact, the US-backed anti-Soviet alliance in the Middle East, and in 1961 he dared nationalise part of the concession of the British-controlled Iraq Petroleum company and resurrected a long-standing Iraqi claim to Kuwait ( the regime which succeeded him immediately dropped the claim to Kuwait).
But the cold war does not by itself explain Uncle Sam's propensity to violence. When president George Bush bombed Iraq to smithereens, killing thousands of civilians, the cold war was over. Clinton cannot cite the cold war for insisting that the brutal regime of sanctions imposed on the country should stay.
In fact the brutal, blood-stained nature of Uncle Sam goes back all the way to the so-called 'Founding Fathers,' who made no attempt to conceal it. As long ago as 1818, John Quincy Adams hailed the 'salutary efficacy' of terror in dealing with 'mingled hordes of lawless Indians and negroes.' He was defending Andrew Jackson's frenzied operations in Florida which virtually wiped out the indigenous population and left the Spanish province under US control. Thomas Jefferson and his colleagues were not above professing to be impressed by the wisdom of his words.
Source: Kryss Katsiavriades and Talaat Qureshi,
The Acts of the Democracies: 1960 to 1964
<http://www.krysstal.com/democracy_1960to1964.html>
Kassem had helped found the Organisation of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) in an attempt to curtail Western control of Arab oil. He had been planning to nationalise the Iraq Petroleum Company in which the USA had an interest. Iraq had also disapproved when Kuwait had been given independence by the UK with a pro-west emir (king) and oil concessions to Western companies. A few days before the coup, the French newspaper La Monde had reported that Kassem had been warned by the USA government to change his country's economic policies or face sanctions. British government papers later declassified would indicate that the coup was backed by the USA and UK. The new government promises not to nationalise American oil interests and renounces its claim to Kuwait. The USA recognises and praises the new government.
Source: Gareth Smyth,
In the Middle East, the CIA has hurt its friends and helped its own enemies.
<http://www.mafhoum.com/press2/cia276_files/home_files/azpolitics_03.htm>
A history of twists and turns, with the CIA often as a blunt axe, have made it very difficult for the United States to be seen as a reliable, or even honest, presence in the Middle East. The resentment is not confined to Arabs. Nine years ago, Massoud Barzani, who has rarely ever traveled away from Kurdistan, agreed to visit Washington with a deputation of the opposition Iraqi National Congress (INC). Massoud, used to the traditional baggy trousers and cummerbund, looked uncomfortable in an Armani suit at receptions, but the INC was keen to create the right impression with senators and opinion-formers. Nonetheless, Massoud refused an invitation to visit Henry Kissinger.
Despite all the compromises of Kurdish politics, Massoud had never forgiven the former secretary of state for engineering the 1975 Algiers agreement between Iraq and Iran, when the two sides suddenly settled long-standing differences and felt free to deal with their internal problems, including the Kurds. Algiers came just two years after Massoud went to Washington to meet Richard Helms, the CIA director, and Al Haig, the White House chief of staff a meeting that led to both CIA and Israeli advisers moving into northern Iraq to help the Kurds. Algiers left the Kurds high and dry, ending a generation of Kurdish revolt led by Massoud's father, Mulla Mustafa, whose broken heart sent him into exile and an early death. Even if those in Washington forgot quickly, Massoud did not.
The relationship between the CIA and Saddam Hussein is a long one. In 1963, the Americans plotted with the Ba'ath against Abdel Karim Kassem, a man who, in the words of the writer Said Aburish, retains more of the affection of the Iraqi people than any leader this century. The CIA supplied lists for the Ba'ath to kill leftists and communists, and Washington flew arms to Kirkuk to use against the Kurds.
In Aburish's biography of the Iraqi leader, the author quotes many anti-Saddam Iraqis including Ahmad Chalabi, leader of the INC on CIA cooperation with the second Ba'ath coup in 1968. Later, in the 1980s, the United States and Britain helped arm Saddam in his confrontation with Iran only to turn against him over the 1990 Kuwait crisis. When in 1991 the Iraqi people rose against Saddam, the United States was fearful that change would put its majority Shi'ites and thus Iran in power, and US forces stood by as the Republican Guard crushed the rebellion. The CIA then worked on sponsoring a coup in Baghdad, a strategy that crumbled in 1996 when Iraqi intelligence infiltrated a conspiracy led by the ex-Ba'athist Iyad Alawi. Having rounded up hundreds of officers, the mukhabarat sent a message to the CIA team in Amman: We have arrested all your people. You might as well pack up and go home.
The CIA's half-hearted support for the INC also ended in 1996, when Saddam exploited Kurdish in-fighting to crush an INC presence in the Kurdish-controlled zone in the north. As Iraqi tanks moved in, the CIA fled and left the INC people to their fate. Washington washed its hands of the affair, and Chalabi noted that CIA officials are not known for their veracity.
Source: Ruth Wilson,
American Policy in Iraq
<http://www.speakeasy.org/wfp/37/american.html>
In 1963, Saddam Hussein worked with the CIA to carry out the coup by the Baath party, which eventually brought him to power in Iraq. The book, A Brutal Friendship: The West and the Arab Elite by Said K. Aburish, which was reviewed recently in Counterpunch (The CIA: Lest We Forget, CounterPunch. Sept.16-30 1997, p.2), describes how the CIA, Saddam and other members of the Baath party collaborated to bring about the coup, murdering perhaps 5,000 people in the process. The United States went on to help Saddam win the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s. According to Noam Chomsky, There were no passionate calls for a military strike after Saddam's gassing of Kurds at Halabja in March, 1988; on the contrary, the US and U.K. extended their strong support for the mass murderer, then, also 'our kind of guy' (Iraq and the UN Sanctions, The Economist, Nov.19 1994, p.47)
Source: Stephen R. Shalom
Middle East Time Line (revised, 12 Dec. 2001)
<http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/pfvs/2001IV/msg01736.html>
1963: U.S. supports coup by Iraqi Ba'ath party (soon to be headed by Saddam Hussein) and reportedly gives them names of communists to murder, which they do with vigor.
Andrew Cockburn and Patrick Cockburn, Out of the Ashes: The Resurrection of Saddam Hussein, New York: Harperperennial. 1999, p. 74; Edith and E. F. Penrose, Iraq: International Relations and National Development, Boulder: Westview, 1978, p. 288; Hanna Batatu, The Old Social Classes and the Revolutionary Movements of Iraq, Princeton: Princeton UP, 1978, pp. 985-86
Source: Thomas Powers,
The Man Who Kept The Secrets: Richard Helms and the CIA, 1979, pp. 160-164.
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CC, I'm facinated that you would pick a pair of authors who are equally as controversial to use as a counterpoint.
Still, you never address the issues raised in J's original post. Did you the article?
Is the article controversial? Perhaps. Is the subject matter controversial? Of course.
I think the prospect of "identity theft" along with the other evidence raised in J's article are the important issues.
Let's stop with the strawman posts and talk about the real possibilities and implications that would exist if J's article were the truth.
Mike
Still, you never address the issues raised in J's original post. Did you the article?
Is the article controversial? Perhaps. Is the subject matter controversial? Of course.
I think the prospect of "identity theft" along with the other evidence raised in J's article are the important issues.
Let's stop with the strawman posts and talk about the real possibilities and implications that would exist if J's article were the truth.
Mike
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For four hundred years the great Jesuit army has been fighting their covert war for absolute control of the world. A masterful army of spies and assassins they have, in the past, been expelled from every country in Europe. They have arranged nearly every war in the last 300 years. They initiated the US Civil War to transform the United States into a Central Controlled tool of their conquest of the world. They have placed Hitler in power, Stalin in power, Mao in power, Pol Pot in Power and many more inquisitionists throughout the world's history.
They now use the United States to perpetrate inquisitions. As they did in Korea and Vietnam as they are doing again with Iraq. The goal is simple and glorious, a one world government, a New World Order with the Pope on the throne and the Jesuit General in control of the Pope and the empire of the world. Secret services such as the CIA, the KGB, MI6 are controlled by them. Presidents are elected and Popes and Presidents are killed by them. They are the army of the Vatican in control of the Vatican. They hide behind secret societies which they control and corporations they own like Microsoft, Bank of America, Lockheed and many more.
This site is dedicated to the glorious achievements of the Jesuit Brotherhood, the Society of Jesus for all to now know.
As previous Jesuit General Tamburini once said "See sir, from this chamber I govern not only Paris but China, not only China but the whole of the world, without anyone knowing how I do it."
The end of the fabricated "Cold War" marked a turning point in the careful fight waged over the last 400 and more years by the Jesuit Brotherhood. The long awaited New World Order is upon us! Absolute control of the world via the Holy Roman Empire (Isis-Horus-Seb) is no longer a secret necessary to maintain. Let the truth be told that the world belongs to the Black Pope.
The Jesuit Brotherhood is now in the phase of consolidation. The ever heretical United States and Canada will soon be the hallow grounds for the inquisition. No less thorough than those of the past under Jesuit servants Hitler, Stalin, Mao and many others. The cleansing will be complete, the protestants will convert or be annihilated. The "Freedoms" will be destroyed as subservience to the Jesuit General is no longer a privilege but a requirement.
The non-believers will be slain for the greater good and greater glory of the Jesuit controlled Vatican empire. Jesuit controlled actors like Bush ,Gore and others serving the Order.
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For four hundred years the great Jesuit army has been fighting their covert war for absolute control of the world. A masterful army of spies and assassins they have, in the past, been expelled from every country in Europe. They have arranged nearly every war in the last 300 years. They initiated the US Civil War to transform the United States into a Central Controlled tool of their conquest of the world. They have placed Hitler in power, Stalin in power, Mao in power, Pol Pot in Power and many more inquisitionists throughout the world's history.
They now use the United States to perpetrate inquisitions. As they did in Korea and Vietnam as they are doing again with Iraq. The goal is simple and glorious, a one world government, a New World Order with the Pope on the throne and the Jesuit General in control of the Pope and the empire of the world. Secret services such as the CIA, the KGB, MI6 are controlled by them. Presidents are elected and Popes and Presidents are killed by them. They are the army of the Vatican in control of the Vatican. They hide behind secret societies which they control and corporations they own like Microsoft, Bank of America, Lockheed and many more.
This site is dedicated to the glorious achievements of the Jesuit Brotherhood, the Society of Jesus for all to now know.
As previous Jesuit General Tamburini once said "See sir, from this chamber I govern not only Paris but China, not only China but the whole of the world, without anyone knowing how I do it."
The end of the fabricated "Cold War" marked a turning point in the careful fight waged over the last 400 and more years by the Jesuit Brotherhood. The long awaited New World Order is upon us! Absolute control of the world via the Holy Roman Empire (Isis-Horus-Seb) is no longer a secret necessary to maintain. Let the truth be told that the world belongs to the Black Pope.
The Jesuit Brotherhood is now in the phase of consolidation. The ever heretical United States and Canada will soon be the hallow grounds for the inquisition. No less thorough than those of the past under Jesuit servants Hitler, Stalin, Mao and many others. The cleansing will be complete, the protestants will convert or be annihilated. The "Freedoms" will be destroyed as subservience to the Jesuit General is no longer a privilege but a requirement.
The non-believers will be slain for the greater good and greater glory of the Jesuit controlled Vatican empire. Jesuit controlled actors like Bush ,Gore and others serving the Order.
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1987-1991: KSM Works in Afghanistan for Warlord Most Favored by CIA Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) fights and works in Afghanistan. KSM, a Pakistani who spent most of his childhood in Kuwait, went to college at North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in the US from 1983 to 1986. Then, in 1987, he goes to Afghanistan to take part in the struggle against the Russians. Two of his brothers die in the fighting there. Another brother, Zahid Shaikh Mohammed, works for a prominent Islamic charity there and introduces KSM to Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, an Afghan warlord. KSM serves as Sayyaf’s secretary and helps recruit Arabs to fight in Afghanistan for Sayyaf’s faction. [Playboy, 6/1/2005] At the time, the CIA and Saudi Arabia are spending billions of dollars funding warlords such as Sayyaf. The Los Angeles Times will later call Sayyaf “the favored recipient of money from the Saudi and American governments.” While in Afghanistan, KSM also gets to know bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and many other future al-Qaeda leaders. [Los Angeles Times, 12/22/2002]
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1987-1991: KSM Works in Afghanistan for Warlord Most Favored by CIA Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (KSM) fights and works in Afghanistan. KSM, a Pakistani who spent most of his childhood in Kuwait, went to college at North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University in the US from 1983 to 1986. Then, in 1987, he goes to Afghanistan to take part in the struggle against the Russians. Two of his brothers die in the fighting there. Another brother, Zahid Shaikh Mohammed, works for a prominent Islamic charity there and introduces KSM to Abdul Rasul Sayyaf, an Afghan warlord. KSM serves as Sayyaf’s secretary and helps recruit Arabs to fight in Afghanistan for Sayyaf’s faction. [Playboy, 6/1/2005] At the time, the CIA and Saudi Arabia are spending billions of dollars funding warlords such as Sayyaf. The Los Angeles Times will later call Sayyaf “the favored recipient of money from the Saudi and American governments.” While in Afghanistan, KSM also gets to know bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and many other future al-Qaeda leaders. [Los Angeles Times, 12/22/2002]
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and I'll just bet............
"In other words, U.S. intelligence is currently in a position to uncover a forensic SMOKING GUN of Iraqi complicity in 9/11 and almost all of the terrorism against the U.S. to-date that's been attributed to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda."
ahhhhhhhh, so WE have been chasing al qaeda all over the world for almost a decade, killing them hither and yither, with all the Saud and Paki incestuous relations,
and all the time it has been Saddam's boys doing it?
and I'll just bet, that the Russian Orthodox Church funded and controlled him?
Or was it the Jesuits?
this is all soooooo confusing.........
"In other words, U.S. intelligence is currently in a position to uncover a forensic SMOKING GUN of Iraqi complicity in 9/11 and almost all of the terrorism against the U.S. to-date that's been attributed to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda."
ahhhhhhhh, so WE have been chasing al qaeda all over the world for almost a decade, killing them hither and yither, with all the Saud and Paki incestuous relations,
and all the time it has been Saddam's boys doing it?
and I'll just bet, that the Russian Orthodox Church funded and controlled him?
Or was it the Jesuits?
this is all soooooo confusing.........
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Saddam the Secular
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Saddam Hussein al-Majid al-Tikriti (Arabic: صدام حسين المجيد التكريتي Ṣaddām Ḥusayn ʿAbd al-Majīd al-Tikrītī[1]; April 28, 1937[2] – December 30, 2006[3]), was the President of Iraq from July 16, 1979, until April 9, 2003.[4][5]
A leading member of the revolutionary Ba'ath Party, which espoused secular pan-Arabism, economic modernization, and socialism, Saddam played a key role in the 1968 coup that brought the party to long-term power.
Modernization program
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, as vice chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, formally the al-Bakr's second-in-command, Saddam built a reputation as a progressive, effective politician.[17] At this time, Saddam moved up the ranks in the new government by aiding attempts to strengthen and unify the Ba'ath party and taking a leading role in addressing the country's major domestic problems and expanding the party's following.
After the Baathists took power in 1968, Saddam focused on attaining stability in a nation riddled with profound tensions. Long before Saddam, Iraq had been split along social, ethnic, religious, and economic fault lines: Sunni versus Shi'ite, Arab versus Kurd, tribal chief versus urban merchant, nomad versus peasant. (Humphreys, 78) Stable rule in a country rife with factionalism required both massive repression and the improvement of living standards. (Humphreys, 78)
Saddam actively fostered the modernization of the Iraqi economy along with the creation of a strong security apparatus to prevent coups within the power structure and insurrections apart from it. Ever concerned with broadening his base of support among the diverse elements of Iraqi society and mobilizing mass support, he closely followed the administration of state welfare and development programs.
At the center of this strategy was Iraq's oil. On June 1, 1972, Saddam oversaw the seizure of international oil interests, which, at the time, dominated the country's oil sector. A year later, world oil prices rose dramatically as a result of the 1973 energy crisis, and skyrocketing revenues enabled Saddam to expand his agenda.
Promoting women's literacy and education in the 1970sWithin just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq," and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).[18][19]
To diversify the largely oil-based Iraqi economy, Saddam implemented a national infrastructure campaign that made great progress in building roads, promoting mining, and developing other industries. The campaign revolutionized Iraq's energy industries. Electricity was brought to nearly every city in Iraq, and many outlying areas.
Before the 1970s, most of Iraq's people lived in the countryside, where Saddam himself was born and raised, and roughly two-thirds were peasants. But this number would decrease quickly during the 1970s as the country invested much of its oil profits into industrial expansion.
Nevertheless, Saddam focused on fostering loyalty to the Ba'athist government in the rural areas. After nationalizing foreign oil interests, Saddam supervised the modernization of the countryside, mechanizing agriculture on a large scale, and distributing land to peasant farmers.[13] The Ba'athists established farm cooperatives, in which profits were distributed according to the labors of the individual and the unskilled were trained. The government's commitment to agrarian reform was demonstrated by the doubling of expenditures for agricultural development in 1974-1975. Moreover, agrarian reform in Iraq improved the living standard of the peasantry and increased production, though not to the levels for which Saddam had hoped.[attribution needed]
Saddam became personally associated with Ba'athist welfare and economic development programs in the eyes of many Iraqis, widening his appeal both within his traditional base and among new sectors of the population. These programs were part of a combination of "carrot and stick" tactics to enhance support in the working class, the peasantry, and within the party and the government bureaucracy.
Saddam's organizational prowess was credited with Iraq's rapid pace of development in the 1970s; development went forward at such a fevered pitch that two million persons from other Arab countries and Yugoslavia worked in Iraq to meet the growing demand for labor
Saddam was anything but a hardcore Muslim fundamentalist. He westernized and freed Iraqi women. He appears to have nothing in common with the feudal and violent Taliban, Usama's protectors.
He WAS a monster. As are many of the dictators around the world. Fact is we have not invaded all the countries in the world where monsters rule and we won't be able to. There is a limit to military power. "We" invaded Iraq as part of a great grand scheme on the part of a handful of super rich and powerful Americans so that they could begin to control the world and world oil.
But I find SOT's fantasies so far out in left field as to defy imagination. What is especially disturbing is his absolute refusal to take a good look at the attacks IN THIS COUNTRY against our own Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the flooding of our country with tens of millions of foreigners, many of whom would GLADLY hack Americans to death with machetes.
SOT espouses that the Russian Orthodox Church is behind most of the evils of the world. And now apparently Saddam was behind all the rest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddam_Hussein
Saddam Hussein al-Majid al-Tikriti (Arabic: صدام حسين المجيد التكريتي Ṣaddām Ḥusayn ʿAbd al-Majīd al-Tikrītī[1]; April 28, 1937[2] – December 30, 2006[3]), was the President of Iraq from July 16, 1979, until April 9, 2003.[4][5]
A leading member of the revolutionary Ba'ath Party, which espoused secular pan-Arabism, economic modernization, and socialism, Saddam played a key role in the 1968 coup that brought the party to long-term power.
Modernization program
In the late 1960s and early 1970s, as vice chairman of the Revolutionary Command Council, formally the al-Bakr's second-in-command, Saddam built a reputation as a progressive, effective politician.[17] At this time, Saddam moved up the ranks in the new government by aiding attempts to strengthen and unify the Ba'ath party and taking a leading role in addressing the country's major domestic problems and expanding the party's following.
After the Baathists took power in 1968, Saddam focused on attaining stability in a nation riddled with profound tensions. Long before Saddam, Iraq had been split along social, ethnic, religious, and economic fault lines: Sunni versus Shi'ite, Arab versus Kurd, tribal chief versus urban merchant, nomad versus peasant. (Humphreys, 78) Stable rule in a country rife with factionalism required both massive repression and the improvement of living standards. (Humphreys, 78)
Saddam actively fostered the modernization of the Iraqi economy along with the creation of a strong security apparatus to prevent coups within the power structure and insurrections apart from it. Ever concerned with broadening his base of support among the diverse elements of Iraqi society and mobilizing mass support, he closely followed the administration of state welfare and development programs.
At the center of this strategy was Iraq's oil. On June 1, 1972, Saddam oversaw the seizure of international oil interests, which, at the time, dominated the country's oil sector. A year later, world oil prices rose dramatically as a result of the 1973 energy crisis, and skyrocketing revenues enabled Saddam to expand his agenda.
Promoting women's literacy and education in the 1970sWithin just a few years, Iraq was providing social services that were unprecedented among Middle Eastern countries. Saddam established and controlled the "National Campaign for the Eradication of Illiteracy" and the campaign for "Compulsory Free Education in Iraq," and largely under his auspices, the government established universal free schooling up to the highest education levels; hundreds of thousands learned to read in the years following the initiation of the program. The government also supported families of soldiers, granted free hospitalization to everyone, and gave subsidies to farmers. Iraq created one of the most modernized public-health systems in the Middle East, earning Saddam an award from the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO).[18][19]
To diversify the largely oil-based Iraqi economy, Saddam implemented a national infrastructure campaign that made great progress in building roads, promoting mining, and developing other industries. The campaign revolutionized Iraq's energy industries. Electricity was brought to nearly every city in Iraq, and many outlying areas.
Before the 1970s, most of Iraq's people lived in the countryside, where Saddam himself was born and raised, and roughly two-thirds were peasants. But this number would decrease quickly during the 1970s as the country invested much of its oil profits into industrial expansion.
Nevertheless, Saddam focused on fostering loyalty to the Ba'athist government in the rural areas. After nationalizing foreign oil interests, Saddam supervised the modernization of the countryside, mechanizing agriculture on a large scale, and distributing land to peasant farmers.[13] The Ba'athists established farm cooperatives, in which profits were distributed according to the labors of the individual and the unskilled were trained. The government's commitment to agrarian reform was demonstrated by the doubling of expenditures for agricultural development in 1974-1975. Moreover, agrarian reform in Iraq improved the living standard of the peasantry and increased production, though not to the levels for which Saddam had hoped.[attribution needed]
Saddam became personally associated with Ba'athist welfare and economic development programs in the eyes of many Iraqis, widening his appeal both within his traditional base and among new sectors of the population. These programs were part of a combination of "carrot and stick" tactics to enhance support in the working class, the peasantry, and within the party and the government bureaucracy.
Saddam's organizational prowess was credited with Iraq's rapid pace of development in the 1970s; development went forward at such a fevered pitch that two million persons from other Arab countries and Yugoslavia worked in Iraq to meet the growing demand for labor
Saddam was anything but a hardcore Muslim fundamentalist. He westernized and freed Iraqi women. He appears to have nothing in common with the feudal and violent Taliban, Usama's protectors.
He WAS a monster. As are many of the dictators around the world. Fact is we have not invaded all the countries in the world where monsters rule and we won't be able to. There is a limit to military power. "We" invaded Iraq as part of a great grand scheme on the part of a handful of super rich and powerful Americans so that they could begin to control the world and world oil.
But I find SOT's fantasies so far out in left field as to defy imagination. What is especially disturbing is his absolute refusal to take a good look at the attacks IN THIS COUNTRY against our own Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and the flooding of our country with tens of millions of foreigners, many of whom would GLADLY hack Americans to death with machetes.
SOT espouses that the Russian Orthodox Church is behind most of the evils of the world. And now apparently Saddam was behind all the rest.
Spirit Of Truth
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That's impossible for CC as he's not interested in the truth.
Spirit Of Truth
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I am a revolutionary defender of human freedom and individual liberty. I will go to my grave resisting government tyranny and you can bet your ass that the Kremlin will soon be the ultimate enemy in this regard.
You have your enemies conveniently wrong, Dragonslayer. Bush is a proponent, not an opponent, of freedom. We are still fighting in Iraq FOR freedom. If all we wanted was oil, we would have installed a puppet regime with a dictator to our liking and opened the oil spigots so I wouldn't have had to pay $40 tonight when I bought a tank of gas. The hard reality is that America is actually taking a stand in an attempt to establish a real free democracy in the tyrannical Arab world in the hope that this will instigate a democratic revolution in that dark part of the globe.
Indeed, it is the vast right-wing conspiracies that you depend on for your naive worldview that constitutes an insane flight of fantasy, DS. It'd be so pleasant and reassuring if the free world's only opponent was the Bush Administration so preoccupied with spreading freedom around the world. That's easily cured by voting in the next U.S. presidential election. However, if tyranny is eminating from Russia, a still fully-armed nuclear superpower, than the truth becomes....well....all too inconvenient for the self-deluded like yourself. You might actually have a real struggle ahead if freedom is your goal.
My views are grounded in reality while the world deludes its way to self-destruction.
When the sheeple are ready to think for themselves and there is interest in actually pulling this world back from suicidal tyranny, please give me a buzz. In the meantime, this world is headed swiftly into catastrophe....so you best all prepare for the worst.
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It's not confusing....Iraq's Mukhabbarat was acting at the behest of Moscow. Al Qaeda is a front for Russian-designed terrorism against the West....that's why my friend Sasha (Litvinenko) was murdered by Russia's intelligence services. Sasha revealed that Ayman al-Zawahiri , al Qaeda's #2 [to #1 Osama bin Laden and former #3 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed], was trained by the FSB/KGB and has been doing the Kremlin's bidding:
http://www.axisglobe.com/article.asp?article=252
This was an intolerable revelation, so they nuked him.
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FarmerJohn
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Attention: Spirit of Truth
To get at the oil! See the first link below: It includes a photo of Donald Rumsfeld giving Saddam a pair of "golden cowboy spurs", a gift from Ronald Reagan.
http://www.fantompowa.org/cia_coups_iraq.htm
http://newsmine.org/archive/coldwar-imperialism/iraqgate/iraq-1963-cia-coup.txt
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north170.html
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=c33335175cc184e56416dbb1d1ebc595
I thought it was common knowledge that the Baathists came to power with CIA help....
FJ
Your grasp of history is dumbfounding CC...
Saddam's Baath Socialist Party took power with American-backing?
There really is a large portion of the population that goes to all lengths to delude themselves, isn't there.
I just don't get it. To what End?
To get at the oil! See the first link below: It includes a photo of Donald Rumsfeld giving Saddam a pair of "golden cowboy spurs", a gift from Ronald Reagan.
http://www.fantompowa.org/cia_coups_iraq.htm
http://newsmine.org/archive/coldwar-imperialism/iraqgate/iraq-1963-cia-coup.txt
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north170.html
http://news.pacificnews.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=c33335175cc184e56416dbb1d1ebc595
I thought it was common knowledge that the Baathists came to power with CIA help....
FJ
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Why don't you all just become avowed, card-carrying communists and proudly declare your servitude to Stalinist Russia?
If you love lies and hate the truth, God will punish you.
Here's the truth regarding Saddam's Ba'athist regime:
http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/2003/03/who-armed-saddam-some-reality-checks.html
Hfcomms
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You have got to be serial SOT. You know your bible, Read Ps2. The whole Bush family are globalist going back to Prescott Bush which is George II's grandfather. This man helped to bankroll the nazi's in WWII. Matter of record. Then GHWB and his new world order. You know...world government and the coming of the AC. The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree. The son is not different from the father. The leopard can't change his spots.
Yeah, GWB is a proponent for freedom. That's why were losing it in this country faster than it can be done away with. Both left/right, democrat/republican, Klinton/Bush are part and parcel the same coin. Just two different sides and two different faces. GHWB senior and Billy are bosum buddies and jet around the world together. Yep their are diametrically opposed to each other...yeah right!! Let's see Patriot act 1 & 2, warrantless searches and seizures, the Fisa courts, arresting and throwing border guards in prison while the illegals continue to pour over the wire....on and on and on it go's.
GWB is probably the worst president this nation has ever had and has spent us into bankruptcy in this false WOT. OBL aka Tim Osman was on the payroll from the beginning. We just pull him and the others out like a jack in the box. We need a boogeyman to threaten us into giving up more of our rights and freedoms and it's a plan that has worked masterfully.
Do the Islamics hate us and want to rule the world?? Of course they do. They have murder in their hearts and serve their Father satan. It's the same spirit that was in the middle ages with the crusades. The spirit of murder is in their hearts. I'm not worried about the islamics or Soviets. It's not the enemy outside the wire that is going to cut our throats but the enemy inside the wire. It's the cancer within america that is killing it not from without.
China Connection
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Rudy Giuliani and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have close ties
Rudy Giuliani and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have close ties. Get past the song at the beginning of the tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zur4X0Vypg&feature=related
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Rudy Giuliani and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have close ties. Get past the song at the beginning of the tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zur4X0Vypg&feature=related
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good night irene....
truth and first response is what brought me here oh those many years ago..
disinformation and internet tricks rule the day now..
there once was a time when you could come here first and have a scoop and discussion on current events before it went mainsream...
i don't know who is to blame, but coming here lately is like watching american gladiators.
truth and first response is what brought me here oh those many years ago..
disinformation and internet tricks rule the day now..
there once was a time when you could come here first and have a scoop and discussion on current events before it went mainsream...
i don't know who is to blame, but coming here lately is like watching american gladiators.
Spirit Of Truth
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"I'm not worried about the islamics or Soviets."
Speaks volumes...
As I wrote....you all have got the wrong enemy in mind.
Oh....but how can you type to the contrary to this comment because you know George W's gestapo storm-troopers will kick in your door and take you away if you write too much about their grand strategy!!!
What a G-D joke.
Spirit Of Truth
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It is Iran not Iraq
I just finnished Dr. Laurie Mylroie book this summer about Saddam Hussain's War Against America (not the correct title). Anyway, her detailed research about KSM she overlooks the Iranian connection which now a days is better seen than the Iraqi connection. KSM has an ethnicity of a group of people that come from some cross boarder region in Iran and someother crappy country. She shows his phone records and the calls that he made back to Iraq and Iran.
I agree with a lot of what she put forth in her analysis. Her weakness was that she was not willing to see Iran's false flag operations that got Iraq dinged by the U.S.
I just finnished Dr. Laurie Mylroie book this summer about Saddam Hussain's War Against America (not the correct title). Anyway, her detailed research about KSM she overlooks the Iranian connection which now a days is better seen than the Iraqi connection. KSM has an ethnicity of a group of people that come from some cross boarder region in Iran and someother crappy country. She shows his phone records and the calls that he made back to Iraq and Iran.
I agree with a lot of what she put forth in her analysis. Her weakness was that she was not willing to see Iran's false flag operations that got Iraq dinged by the U.S.
China Connection
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"Still, you never address the issues raised in J's original post. Did you the article?
Is the article controversial? Perhaps. Is the subject matter controversial? Of course.
I think the prospect of "identity theft" along with the other evidence raised in J's article are the important issues.
Let's stop with the strawman posts and talk about the real possibilities and implications that would exist if J's article were the truth.
Mike
That's impossible for CC as he's not interested in the truth."
Before Mr Truth posted this I had linked to below to leave it up to everyone to come to an answer. Your link Mr Truth http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/20...ty-checks.html is blocked here in China which however doesn't mean much as such a lot of stuff is.
China Connection 1 - 10 of about 46,600 for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Saddam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...am&btnG=Search
Yesterday 10:56 PM
China Connection A big link with plenty of pictures
Profile: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
a.k.a. KSM, Abdulrahman A. A. al-Ghamdi, Mukhtar
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...haikh_mohammed
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It wouldn't suprise me what Suddan would do after Desert Storm but what the US has done to Iraq since desert storm has been aimed at everyone in Iran including this current war. Bush is as posted above.
http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html
Is the article controversial? Perhaps. Is the subject matter controversial? Of course.
I think the prospect of "identity theft" along with the other evidence raised in J's article are the important issues.
Let's stop with the strawman posts and talk about the real possibilities and implications that would exist if J's article were the truth.
Mike
That's impossible for CC as he's not interested in the truth."
Before Mr Truth posted this I had linked to below to leave it up to everyone to come to an answer. Your link Mr Truth http://jeffweintraub.blogspot.com/20...ty-checks.html is blocked here in China which however doesn't mean much as such a lot of stuff is.
China Connection 1 - 10 of about 46,600 for Khalid Shaikh Mohammed Saddam
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&n...am&btnG=Search
Yesterday 10:56 PM
China Connection A big link with plenty of pictures
Profile: Khalid Shaikh Mohammed
a.k.a. KSM, Abdulrahman A. A. al-Ghamdi, Mukhtar
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/e...haikh_mohammed
.......................................................................................................................
It wouldn't suprise me what Suddan would do after Desert Storm but what the US has done to Iraq since desert storm has been aimed at everyone in Iran including this current war. Bush is as posted above.
http://www.desert-storm.com/War/chronology.html