HEALTH Workers will see their health start to fail at 59 - long before they reach pension age

[Melodi]

I have been saying for years now that the government can "raise" the age of retirement all they like and scary articles suggest that people will just have to work until the "die," but the human body just doesn't always work that way. While most people can probably still keep working doing something after 59, that is around the traditional age when in the past, people would start handing over harder tasks to the younger folks and take on new ones in their farms or family businesses in the Middle Ages in Europe, that was as true for the Nobility as it was for peasant farmers.

Any government or system that tries to ignore this is simply trading disability payments (or mass poverty and neglect of older people), it won't change reality until medical science does.

Sure some people still are working full time at age 90 and beyond but that isn't most people and most of those are like my FIL the medical doctor who was still seeing VA patients from his wheelchair in his mid-80s.

Workers' health starts to fail at the age of 59 as a study reveals the nation's divide with those in the Northeast more likely to fall ill before retirement age

• Employees at 50 can expect to only see an average of nine more in-shape years
• However, the pension age is currently 65 and will rise to 66 in October 2020
• The Keele University study anaylsed data from 15,000 men and women over 50
• Self-employed fared better than average as they can usually avoid manual labour

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PUBLISHED: 00:29, 1 July 2020 | UPDATED: 02:23, 1 July 2020

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A typical worker’s health will give out well before they reach the pension age of 65, research suggests.
Employees who turn 50 can expect only an average of nine more years in good shape. Yet the pension age is now 65 and will rise to 66 in October.
The study’s lead author, Marty Parker, said that older workers would find it increasingly challenging to hold on to their jobs.

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A study undertaken at Keele University suggests that employees who turn 50 can expect only an average of nine more years in good shape (stock image)

‘Healthy working life expectancy from age 50 is below the remaining years to state pension age,’ said the academic from Keele University.
‘While everyone’s lives are different, our results suggest that many people will find it challenging to work for longer as the state pension age goes up.

‘Poor health and a lack of appropriate job opportunities are a major reason for early retirement, sickness absence from work, and reduced productivity while at work.

‘Older workers – especially those in more deprived areas and in manual jobs – will benefit from proactive approaches to improve health and workplace environments.’
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In November 2018, the state pension age became 65 for all, but this is gradually increasing and now depends on your date of birth.
Those born after April 6, 1978, will have to wait until they are 68.
The Keele study, which is published in The Lancet Public Health, analysed data from 15,000 men and women aged 50 and over from the English Longitudinal Study of Ageing and tracked them between 2002 and 2013.
The authors made estimates of ‘healthy working life expectancy’ and found that gender, wealth and location were factors.

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In November 2018, the state pension age became 65 for all, but this is gradually increasing and now depends on your date of birth. Those born after April 6, 1978, will have to wait until they are 68 (stock image)
From the age of 50, men can expect to be healthy and remain in work longer than women – for 10.9 years compared with 8.3 years.
The self-employed fared better than average because they can usually avoid manual labour.
The North East had the worst rate of healthy working life expectancy – three years lower than the South East.
The researchers called for a variety of interventions from Government and bosses to help employees extend their working lives.

Workers will see their health start to fail at 59

A study undertaken at Keele University suggests that employees who turn 50 can expect only an average of nine more years in good shape. Yet the pension age is now 65 and will soon rise to 66.

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[Blacknarwhal]

One of Britain's foremost economic advisors noted:

"If they would rather die, then they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population."



Of course, you have to take him with a grain of salt; he spent Christmas Eve hallucinating ghosts and then went out and blew a raftload of money on toys for poor children.

 

[Blastoff]

When the US Social Security program was initiated in 1935, the average life expectancy was 61 years old, but Social Security benefits began at 65.

It's designed this way on purpose.

 

[Firebird]

I guess it depends on a variety of health issues, as well as how much exercise folks get? I'm almost 60, and honestly, I'm in the best shape of my life (thanks to the Lord) I take zero medications, eat no dessert of any kind and I exercise 5 days a week, and really feel good for my age. I'm sure some of it is genetics, but some is eating right and exercising.

 

[20Gauge]

I can tell you in my area, there are more people who are 40 who look 60 than there are 60 who look 50. They age quick around here and I see clients tottering in and barely make it to my desk. I then look at their DL and realize that they are younger than I am. This is really really common.

Heck people are always saying to my mother "when you get to my age......" she has to tell them she passed that age 10+ years ago. So I can believe the article.

 

[Jeff B.]

I can tell you in my area, there are more people who are 40 who look 60 than there are 60 who look 50. They age quick around here and I see clients tottering in and barely make it to my desk. I then look at their DL and realize that they are younger than I am. This is really really common.

Heck people are always saying to my mother "when you get to my age......" she has to tell them she passed that age 10+ years ago. So I can believe the article.

This.

I've noted that. Heck, there was a guy at work who suddenly passed last year that I thought was about the same age as I was or a bit older and found out that he was 12 years younger. Also very young people who are in atrocious physical condition. I'm going to have to have a new @R knee put in due to the mess that retired me from the Army, but other than that, I'm in decent condition (could be better) and health and continue to work around the place doing fairly physical tasks. One, they need doing and two, it gives me a method to unwind from work every day.

Jeff B.

 

[PghPanther]

I dodged three bullets in my 50's.......one was appendicitis which was scoped out through non-surgery pinholes....another with afib of the heart and the other a blood clot in the leg leading to embolisms in the lungs.

I was lifting weights 4 days after the appendicitis operation since it was non evasive............the afib ended up being an infection from impacted wisdom teeth that festered in an inert cavity all my adult life that ended up inflaming my heart lining (get them out when you are young!!!) which eventually went away.

The clot and lung issue I almost died and was hours from death when I made it to the emergency room...........no sugeory just breaking the clots up but what an ordeal that was in leg pain and inconvenience for weeks after.........

but a month later back in the gym lifting weights like nothing happened....................on blood thinners though to keep clots in check........most clots happen to people who are overweight, smoke, drink and lay around a lot.........but I was anomaly until I found out if you are Celtic and over 60 there is a tendency for the blood to clot in adults of that ethnic background and that my family had a history of that...........(you can't dodge DNA)

The blood thinners actually give me an anabolic steroid like effect in lifting weights........more pump and more muscle growth even in my 60's............talk about a sliver lining a medication......lol.

Anyway the point is that staying healthy and fit can help you get through the problems you have and recover and move on from them faster than if you are not......

.......today I have no evidence that I ever went through any of that but and sure glad I live in a White country with non socialized health care.................I doubt I would be alive if I was in a Brown or Black nation with socialized medicine..........

 

[WalknTrot]

It was my ATTITUDE that started to fail at 59.

Out the door, baby.

 

[Melodi]

Many more people can work until great old age (or even moderate old age) if they exercise and keep fit but sadly there are folks out there whose genetics just doesn't work that way.

I suspect so many younger people, in the USA (and increasingly in the UK/Ireland), are having problems much earlier is the horrific state of the food and nutrition there.

Or as I said to Nightwolf as he stared in wonder at a US super-grocery store:

Nightwolf: "Look at all these choices!!!"

Melodi: "Yes, too bad almost none of it is actually real food."

Nightwolf: "yeah there is that..."

But you can't make macro policy decisions based on what might be a reality if everyone suddenly managed to avoid all ultra-processed GMO foods and took up weight lifting as a hobby, you have to make micro policy based on reality.

If what you folks are noticing is a serious trend (and I think it is, I was in the USA last year) than there is likely to be an even bigger problem coming down the road, and pretty darn soon.

 

[Dozdoats]

Old age ain't for sissies.

I retired at 52 because of a seizure disorder. Fortunately screen time and the occasional phone call is all the "work" I need to do so far to supplement my meager pension. Which I hope to outlive, BTW, and likely will.

 

[bassgirl]

I work with fairly healthy people, but there is no way a 62-65 yo female is going to be able to lift and turn a 300-400 pound dead weight sick person, (I have actaully seen 4 over 600 lbs patients so far in the last 5 years of my career) even with 4 other workers helping, just not gonna happen without getting hurt. Yet, that is exactly what hospitals expect of their nurses, and its getting worse. I look at how hard it is for me now, and I have 7 years to go for full retirement, 67.2 months. I wont make it at the bedside that long. Non bedside jobs are getting very hard to come by in nursing.

They are there, but more and more people do not want to pay RN wages for non bedside care.

I have no idea what these younger people are going to do.

 

[Texican]

From the age of 50, men can expect to be healthy and remain in work longer than women – for 10.9 years compared with 8.3 years.

So the retirement age should be 62. Started taking SS at 62, but still work occasionally on projects in Dallas. Will probably do two projects this week and next week.

We each do what we can within our physical and mental capabilities. I will continue to do projects until I can no longer do projects and the economy allows for the dollars help.

Texican....

 

[Blacknarwhal]

From the age of 50, men can expect to be healthy and remain in work longer than women – for 10.9 years compared with 8.3 years.

So the retirement age should be 62. Started taking SS at 62, but still work occasionally on projects in Dallas. Will probably do two projects this week and next week.

We each do what we can within our physical and mental capabilities. I will continue to do projects until I can no longer do projects and the economy allows for the dollars help.

Texican....

I believe that is the minimum retirement age. You get less, but you get it for longer. I say take what you can while it's there to be taken.

 

[waterdog]

Esophageal cancer at age 61 changed the whole ball game for me I was told I had a 39% survival chance. I'm 67 now and can't do 1/2 of what I could at 61. Things change that we can't plan for. Still thank the Lord for his blessings! Now cancer free.

 

[Anti-Liberal]

I'm 51 so there is no way this country, this way of life, this government will hold together long enough to start paying me my pension. The best I can hope for is death benefits for my wife and daughter which would be almost $1900 each a month for both. Found that out yesterday.

 

[Donald Shimoda]

Howdy, Folks!

I'll be 54 in a few weeks.

I have a brain tumor, glaucoma, and other health complications.

I made over $20k yesterday sitting in front of my computer (at least I think I did - maybe the tumor is just messing with me).

Just saying...

Peace and Love,

Donald Shimoda

 

[Bps1691]

When we moved away from "family tribes" in the 60's we brought this upon ourselves.

As a child of the 1950's it was an old and normal practice for the parents, children and grand parents to live very close in distance and when the grand parents couldn't do the work anymore or starting having issues, one of their children and their family would move in and pick up the work or the parents would move in with one of the children.

With the added life expectancy of today and all of the ungodly debts, taxes, fees, health costs etc., it's almost impossible for many to stay either healthy enough or have in demand skills, to make it to retirement prepared to actually retire.

I'm still working way past retirement age in IT because of all the uncertainty in this world and because I can still do the work and my skills are in demand. If I had to do any hard labor jobs I'd have been screwed in my early 60's due to one health condition that hit me.

 

[Faroe]

My maternal grand parents both lived to 94, my mother didn't live much past 60. At 51, I'll consider myself lucky if I live that long.

Chronic health problems suck. Used to have enough good days to keep in excellent shape, but most of those are long gone. Eh, it is what it is.

 

[fish hook]

I had to have bypass surgery at 53.Just a hitch in my getalong.I had a very good run for 20 years.Retired at 62 and stayed active for many years.Kept a very large garden,did some remodeling work and went on many work parties with the church,several trips to the coast doing Katrina cleanup and many smaller tornado jobs closer to home.The last 5 years my wife was alive i added all the housework and cooking.Everything went pretty good till about 18 months ago heart started to go again,i could do a lot of work until i was 75,about to turn 77,It has been a rough couple of years.But i am still going ,And intend to for a long time.My intent is not to whine or brag just to encourage those approaching 59.

 

[Troke]

I checked in with the Doc at age 80. Little girl taking 'vitals'

Prescription drugs?

None

None?

That's right none.

Are you sure?

Yes

Are you really sure you are not taking prescription drugs.

I could see where this was going. Too senile to know what was going on. So I said about 10 yrs ago, I got a siege of vertigo and they prescribed Meclazine.

She wrote that all over the document, happy as a clam (Metaphor there)

Daughter, Doctor of Audiology in a clinic told me that if an 80 yr old claimed no drugs, they would know he was lying.

Problem was solved by Johns Hopkins. I now need a computer to keep track of my medication.

As a kid, I never knew anybody to retire. Gramp handed the farm over to the kid and then Gramp drove out each day to do whatever. Kept that up until he couldn't drive anymore. Storekeeper the same, handed the store over and then came in to restock etc. until he could no longer do it.

Sometimes son built a small cottage on the farm for Gramp and Gram. Saw that a couple of times. And sometimes they built a one room 'Granny House' for Gram so she could live by herself but right next to the main house. One of those still standing last time I went by last summer.

 

[twobarkingdogs]

So the retirement age should be 62. Started taking SS at 62,

Be careful of taking SS at 62 as it could cause you issues with your health insurance.

It does not matter if you like it of not O-Care is currently the law of the land. O-Care cost are also income based for incomes less then about $45k a year. So taking SS prior to going onto medicare could take you from a reasonable monthly payment when you include the income based subsidies to a monthly payment you may have to stretch to afford. So run the numbers before deciding to go onto Obama care.

tbd

 

[WalknTrot]

Be careful of taking SS at 62 as it could cause you issues with your health insurance.

It does not matter if you like it of not O-Care is currently the law of the land. O-Care cost are also income based for incomes less then about $45k a year. So taking SS prior to going onto medicare could take you from a reasonable monthly payment when you include the income based subsidies to a monthly payment you may have to stretch to afford. So run the numbers before deciding to go onto Obama care.

tbd

I kept my "Cobra" (EXCELLENT employer group plan) after early retirement - for nigh onto 6 years...paid the whole danged thing out of pocket monthly because I didn't want to get stuck with the worthless O-Care insurance. Darned glad too, because now I can buy into my former employer's group Medicare supplemental which is also excellent. I would have given that option up if I'd dropped the employer "Cobra" plan.

Yeah, it cost real money.
But that's what that money is for.
Plan, plan, plan. Plan when you are young.
It's the only way to get out alive.

 

[West]

When the US Social Security program was initiated in 1935, the average life expectancy was 61 years old, but Social Security benefits began at 65.

It's designed this way on purpose.

Plus after the age of 60 the kids are grown and the wife is either dead or living with a younger man, so for thousands and thousands of labourers who suddenly die every year of a heart attack/bad health or accident before they retire get not one bloody cent of the 15% they have paid threw out their working careers.

That's a huge big win for all socialist who love the idea of a S.S. system, cause that leaves more for them.

 

[kenny1659]

Now they are jacking SS up to 67, just as I am closing in on it. I have six years to go now but with some of the meds I am on the heat just about kills me. Start early finish early when it is cooler. I try to leave the heavy stuff for the youngsters.

 

[ReneeT]

I'll work long enough to max out the social security - assuming it's still there in 6 years; although I may cut back on hours in a couple of years; maybe to 2 - 12's a week instead of 3 to 4... I feel that I am slowing down mentally; just hope that the brain holds out long enough to get to the point I want to retire. (Though I see more than a few of my much younger - as in, young enough to be my grandkid - coworkers using the cheat sheets I've made up for the PITA charting program we use.)

 

[ktrapper]

So far at 53 I can still out work most half my age. A few weeks ago I carried two truck loads of the black storage boxes full of house hold goods up to the third floor by myself before the younger help arrived. The 22 year old guy that came to help commented to my wife how good of shape I was in to be in my 50s.
You are as old as you make yourself think you are. Attitude is everything. I take no meds, no pain killers for the joints.
Doctors will talk you into being old before your time. I will work until my toes turn up doing something. When you sit down you die.

 

[Troke]

Plus after the age of 60 the kids are grown and the wife is either dead or living with a younger man, so for thousands and thousands of labourers who suddenly die every year of a heart attack/bad health or accident before they retire get not one bloody cent of the 15% they have paid threw out their working careers.

That's a huge big win for all socialist who love the idea of a S.S. system, cause that leaves more for them.

They paid for my aunt who lived to 103, her cousin that lived to 99 and another aunt that went to 95. Or were you suggesting that everybody get cut off at the longevity limit of 82 yr or whatever.

 

[TammyinWI]

A native American told me decades ago that his forefathers used to live well into old age, in good health, and when they passed, it was because their rib cage caved in. I never forgot that. No gmo's, no chemicals or preservatives in foods or cleanng products, personal care products, no artificial sweeteners, no pharmaceuticals with side effects, etc.

 

[SSTemplar]

I started drawing SS at 65 and finally decided to fully retire at 69. Life is good and thank you for the monthly deposit.

 

[nomifyle]

I have many blessings in my life, started ss at 62, stayed on ex's health care until 66 and divorce. Immediately got on VA health care, I'm service connected. I never ever signed up for medicare, although I guess I do have plan A for hospitalization. At 73 I have not chronic health issues except allergies. DH is almost 77, dropped medicare last year because he's been getting VA healthcare since he was 65. He takes a blood thinner and a mild BP pill, a pill for gout (he refuses to change his diet) and that is it. No diabetes for either of us.

For me, I live by I am what I eat.

Judy

 

[bev]

Howdy, Folks!

I'll be 54 in a few weeks.

I have a brain tumor, glaucoma, and other health complications.

I made over $20k yesterday sitting in front of my computer (at least I think I did - maybe the tumor is just messing with me).

Just saying...

Peace and Love,

Donald Shimoda

Mr Shimoda, I’d love to know how you did that, and whether you can teach me to do it as well.

 

[Coco82919]

As a child of the 1950's it was an old and normal practice for the parents, children and grand parents to live very close in distance and when the grand parents couldn't do the work anymore or starting having issues, one of their children and their family would move in and pick up the work or the parents would move in with one of the children.

Now the adult children live with their parents and expect their parents to take care of them. They use up what the parents have spent a life time working for and give little in return. I know of many older adults caring for their grand kids as well as for their own kids. I know of many 30 or 40 year olds that have never held a decent paying job.

When I became an adult I knew I had to support myself. I had no one to fall back on so chose to find a career that paid a decent salary so I could always support myself. I paid for my own schooling without going into debt. My husband was in the same situation and also worked hard to pay for his own schooling and to chose a career that would pay decent and have decent benefits.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Mr Shimoda, I’d love to know how you did that, and whether you can teach me to do it as well.

Yeah, ditto on that one. I took the Mogambo Guru's masterclass three or four years ago and the metal's worth about the same as it was when I got it. Not exactly a bell-ringer for retirement. If that's even possible by the time I get that old.

 

[EYW]

Due to fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue, and autoimmune disorders, I wound up applying for disability at age 58. I had been dealing with the issues for at least 20 years, just never got a correct diagnosis, and in the last six to eight working years, I was really fighting it to keep going. but one day I said the party is over and applied for SSDI. Took me three years of fighting to get (they do hire a certain demographic that really do not like to do their jobs) and I was waiting for a court date when I got a big fat letter from SS. The appeals judge had looked at my records and awarded the disability on just that. I did not have to appear for a court hearing (so that more or less cemented my feeling on the demographics mentioned above - I just had to suffer for three years).

Applying for disability when I did was one of the better things I had done. At that time I was a self-employed medical transcriptionist and working at home probably helped me work five years longer than I would have if I had been going to an office. But I was able to work less and less and thus had a drop in income which in the long run would have affected my SS amount. Being a woman and taking time off for kids and also having a previous husband that did not want me to work, I was not looking at a fortune. But apparently the disability uses the amount you would have gotten at full retirement age, so I got that. Had I kept working the way I was and retired at 62, I would have gotten about $250-300 less per month.

But 59 was right in the ballpark for me.

 

[meezy]

Well, that just stinks.

Hubby is 53 and gets to retire at age 60 with a pension. I’m 52 and I get to share hubby’s pension. No... I own a business and I’m hoping at that age we can sell everything and go have fun.

My ex-BIL suddenly died last week at 60. Went to sleep and didn’t wake up. That was an eye-opener.

Gotta say, the last couple years we’ve started to really notice ourselves slowing down and not being able to do as much work. Getting tired faster. I blame mine on being too sedentary and overweight. He has a very active job but is having knee problems.

Still, we both feel healthy. He takes a low dose of BP meds. I take three different BP meds. I figure I’ll be the first to depart this earth. My dad passed at 67, mom at 74, but both were heavy smokers and I quit 15 years ago. His mom had many health issues, but his dad just passed last year at 86. Working on getting healthier. Eating better, drinking lots of water, slowly losing weight. I’m on the upper edge of “overweight” vs. “obese.” I don’t feel fat until I see my photo.

But in my head, I still feel young, maybe in my 30s! I still want to do all the stuff I used to do then! It’s not faaaaaair!