GOV/MIL Widow of Alabama airman killed in ‘war we can’t call a war’ gets good news about ‘missing’ benefits

TheHippie

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I've sat on this story a couple of days hoping it would be disproven or at least cleared up.

This is yet another reason why it is important that we adhere to the Constitution. Had things been done the legitimate way, this story wouldn't exist. It's also a damn good way to lose the support of our service members, this is a morale killer.

Widow of Alabama airman killed in ‘war we can’t call a war’ gets good news about ‘missing’ benefits​

The widow of a Trussville man killed in March as part of military operations in Iran says government officials have responded to her questions about what she said was a denial of benefits following her husband’s death.

Libby Klinner, the wife of Maj. Alex Klinner, posted on Instagram a picture of her with her child over the weekend, marking “Six months of a war we can’t call a war...”

The Air Force recently told me that because we haven’t officially declared war, my kids and I aren’t eligible for some benefits,” she wrote.

“So not only was my husband killed in a war he never wanted to participate in, but now the benefits we’re left with are being dictated by semantics and public perception.”

Alex Klinner and five other U.S. Service members were killed March 12 when their KC-135 Air Force refueling aircraft crashed over friendly territory in western Iraq while supporting operations against Iran.

Klinner was a father of a 2½ year-old son and 7-month-old twins – a boy and a girl. He was the chief of squadron standardizations and evaluations at the 99th Air Refueling Squadron in Birmingham.

On Monday, Libby Klinner posted that the “director of mortuary affairs reached out to me because of the response to my (original) post. They are initiating an audit on our benefits to ensure that we receive all we are entitled to.”

In her original Instagram post, Klinner said her casualty assistance officer told her “the missing benefits are combat pay-related, such as hostile fire/imminent danger pay, combat zone exclusions.”

An Air Force spokesperson said officials spoke with Libby Klinner today “to ensure she is receiving all eligible benefits she and her family are entitled to, as well as ensure all her questions are fully addressed.”

“We understand this matter has been difficult for Mrs. Klinner and her family, and we are committed to addressing her concerns with care and respect,” the spokesperson said.

“We remain committed to providing clear information and continued support to Mrs. Klinner, as well as all the families of the Airmen who died in the KC-135 crash.”

In her earlier comments, Libby Klinner thanked those who expressed support in the comments section.

However, she said she turned them off because the ”bot comments saying hateful things are getting out of hand."

She also addressed criticism of her statements.

“To the comments asking why my husband joined the military if he didn’t want to be in a war: No one joins to military because they want to go to war,” she wrote.

“Service members don’t enjoy being deployed. They chose to defend their country knowing they could be sent to war but hoping they won’t be. They also join with the assumption that a war would be the last resort, which was not the case in Iran.”

“To those commenting that I’m posting this for attention: I suggest that you reserve judgment about what I’m doing until you’ve had to bury your spouse.”

When she revisited the issue on Monday, she told those “saying unkind things, I’d ask you to think about why you would want to say something hurtful to someone who is already hurting.”

Alex Klinner entered the Air Force in 2017 through Air Force Reserve Officer Training Corps from Auburn University.

Libby Klinner is a graduate of the University of Alabama, and the two were introduced through mutual friends.


Wife of Trussville airman killed in Iraq says family isn’t getting…​

The family of the late U.S Air Force Major John "Alex" Klinner isn’t receiving “additional benefits” from the federal government since the United States hasn’t officially declared war on Iran.

Klinner was one of the six crew members killed in a KC-135 refueling crash in Iraq as part of Operation Epic Fury against Iran. Although the United States has been involved in military conflict with Iran for over six months, Congress hasn’t officially declared war.

Klinner, 33, was a member of the 99th Air Refueling Squadron from Sumpter Smith Joint National Guard Base in Birmingham.

Klinner, an Auburn University graduate and Trussville resident, left behind his wife, Libby, and their three children.

Libby Klinner said on Instagram on Saturday that the U.S. Air Force recently told her that her family wasn’t eligible for certain benefits due to the United States not officially declaring war on Iran.

“The Air Force recently told me that because we haven’t officially declared war, my kids and I aren’t eligible for some benefits. So not only was my husband killed in a war he never wanted to participate in, but now the benefits we’re left with are being dictated by semantics and public perceptions. 6 months of a war that we can’t call a war,” Klinner said. “To all expressing support in the comments, thank you. To the comments asking why my husband joined the military if he didn’t want to be in a war: No one joins the military because they want to go to war. Service members don’t enjoy being deployed. They chose to defend their country knowing they could be sent to war but hoping they won’t be. They also join with the assumption that a war would be the last resort, which was not the case in Iran.”

Klinner continued, “To the comments asking what benefits we are not receiving: This information was given to me by our Casualty Assistance Officer. She is the one who told me that there are additional benefits that cannot be given because we have not declared war. The missing benefits are combat pay-related, such as hostile fire/imminent danger pay, combat zone exclusions, etc.”

“To those commenting that I’m posting this for attention: I suggest that you reserve judgment about what I’m doing until you’ve had to bury your spouse,” Klinner said.


A Life of Service: Remembering Major John 'Alex' Klinner​

On this Memorial Day, we pause to remember the men and women who gave their lives in service to our nation — those who stood in the gap, often far from home, so that others might live in freedom. Among them is Major John "Alex" Klinner of Auburn, Alabama, whose life reflected quiet strength, deep commitment, and an enduring sense of purpose.

Raised in Auburn, Alex grew up in a family and community that values hard work, humility, and service. The son of Johnny and Mary Ellen Klinner of Auburn, brother of Amy (Klinner) Bridge and Allyson (Klinner) Rumble, and grandson of the late Dr. and Mrs. Kent Klinner and Colonel John C. Ball, Jr. and Mrs. Ellen Ball of Auburn, he was shaped early by the kind of character that would come to define his life — steady, dependable, and guided by something greater than himself.

Those who knew Alex as a child remember a boy full of curiosity, humor, and energy. Long before he dreamed of military aviation, he once talked about wanting to attend clown school — a reflection of the playful spirit and joy he brought to those around him. He embraced life with enthusiasm and a wide range of interests and hobbies. He grew up riding unicycles, playing multiple sports, going on numerous camping/hiking/ski trips with this parents and sisters, attending air shows, and spending countless hours piloting remote-controlled airplanes alongside his dad, which really was the catalyst to his love for flying. Camp Mac also became a meaningful part of his childhood and teenage years, first as a camper and later as a counselor, where his natural ability to connect with people and his fun-loving personality left a lasting impression on many.

Friends and family remember someone who was adventurous and always living life to the fullest. Yet as Alex grew older, what began as fascination steadily became focus. His love of aviation deepened into purpose, and he approached the pursuit of becoming a pilot with determination, discipline, and maturity, eventually choosing a path that would shape the course of his life.

He attended Auburn City Public Schools, graduating from Auburn High School in 2011, before continuing a deeply rooted family legacy at Auburn University as a third generation alum. From his years at AHS through his time at Auburn University, where he earned a degree in mechanical engineering in 2016, Alex embodied both excellence and integrity.

But for Alex, education was never the destination — it was preparation. Following his passion for flying, he chose a path of service, commissioning into the United States Air Force in 2017 through the Reserve Officer Training Corps program, and dedicating his career to protecting others and supporting missions across the globe. He completed pilot training in November 2018, and was assigned to the 92nd Air Refueling Squadron at Fairchild Air Force Base, Washington. He then went on to complete advanced instrument training and instructor pilot upgrade in 2022. As an officer and pilot, he quickly rose to the rank of Major, a testament to both his leadership and the trust placed in him by those he served alongside.

Most recently, Major Klinner served as the Chief of Squadron Standardizations and Evaluations as an evaluator pilot in the 99th Air Refueling Squadron at Sumpter Smith Joint National Guard Base in Birmingham, Alabama, and helped oversee training, safety, and readiness for fellow aircrew members — a role requiring both precision and responsibility. His work ensured that others were prepared for the demands of flight and mission execution, reflecting a commitment not only to excellence, but to the lives entrusted to his leadership.

On March 12, 2026, Major Klinner was among six American airmen who lost their lives when a KC-135 refueling aircraft crashed in Iraq during a mission in support of U.S. operations. Having been deployed only days earlier, his loss was sudden and deeply felt — not only by his family and fellow service members, but by the Auburn community that had helped shape him.

Those who knew Alex remember him not simply for his accomplishments, but for the way he lived. He was described as a servant leader — someone who stepped forward to help, who carried himself with humility, and who placed others before himself. In his spare time, he was oftentimes helping friends and neighbors; shortly before deploying, he was volunteering his time with Habitat for Humanity, building a home for a community member who he did not even know.

Beyond his service, and more sacred than his uniform, Alex was a devoted husband, father, son, brother, and friend. He found his greatest joy in time spent with and serving his loved ones, particularly his wife and three kids, offering wisdom, humor, and steadfast, unwavering support. He had a way of making people feel valued, and his presence brought comfort and strength to those around him. In a world that often celebrates recognition, Alex quietly lived out responsibility.

This Memorial Day, as flags are lowered and names are remembered, we also honor the families who carry the weight of loss. We remember the parents who raised Alex, whose influence is evident in the life he lived and the legacy he leaves behind. We recognize, too, the loved ones who now walk forward without him, supported by a grateful nation that does not forget.

Major John "Alex" Klinner represents the very best of our country — not because of how he died, but because of how he lived. His story is one of commitment, character, and sacrifice. It is a reminder that behind every uniform is a life shaped by community, sustained by purpose, and given in service to others.

On this day of remembrance, may we honor him not only with our words, but with lives that reflect the same courage, humility, and devotion he so faithfully carried.

 
“To the comments asking why my husband joined the military if he didn’t want to be in a war: No one joins to military because they want to go to war,” she wrote.

“Service members don’t enjoy being deployed. They chose to defend their country knowing they could be sent to war but hoping they won’t be. They also join with the assumption that a war would be the last resort, which was not the case in Iran.”
That's pretty naive (or something else I won't post)...

Joining the military, but thinking you won't get called out to fight or see combat...
 
Here is my shocked face knowing that the military will not admit to anything wrong. I can only speak to my experience, but the VA sucks and it took 40 years for them to admit the agent orange caused many illnesses and injuries. Their motto should be "thanks for your service, now get the **** out."
 
"In her original Instagram post, Klinner said her casualty assistance officer told her “the missing benefits are combat pay-related, such as hostile fire/imminent danger pay, combat zone exclusions.”"

If she's not getting "hostile fire" benefits, it could be because it was a mid-air collision between two KC-135R. The plane was not shot down by enemy fire.

Major John "Alex" Klinner was a 33-year-old U.S. Air Force pilot from Alabama who tragically died alongside five other crew members when their KC-135 refueling aircraft went down over western Iraq on March 12, 2026. [1, 2, 3]

The Incident
    • What Happened: Two KC-135R aircraft were involved in a mid-air collision during a mission.
    • Location: Western Iraq.
    • Cause: Military officials stated the crash was not caused by hostile or friendly fire, and the incident remained under investigation
 
"In her original Instagram post, Klinner said her casualty assistance officer told her “the missing benefits are combat pay-related, such as hostile fire/imminent danger pay, combat zone exclusions.”"

If she's not getting "hostile fire" benefits, it could be because it was a mid-air collision between two KC-135R. The plane was not shot down by enemy fire.

Major John "Alex" Klinner was a 33-year-old U.S. Air Force pilot from Alabama who tragically died alongside five other crew members when their KC-135 refueling aircraft went down over western Iraq on March 12, 2026. [1, 2, 3]

The Incident
    • What Happened: Two KC-135R aircraft were involved in a mid-air collision during a mission.
    • Location: Western Iraq.
    • Cause: Military officials stated the crash was not caused by hostile or friendly fire, and the incident remained under investigation
Those pays are not connected to specific incidents the servicemembers are involved in, but rather the entire operation. It sometimes takes months or years for the DoD/ DoW to classify operations as wars or hostilities that get them those benefits.
 
Just because this garbage overseas is not OFFICIALLY called a "WAR", does not mean it's NOT a war!! Combat is COMBAT regardless of what the hell they want to call it in D.C. or the media or whatever. Korea and Vietnam were NOT police actions to the troops stuck in the middle of that mess....IT WAS A FRIGGEN WAR!! When people are dying in armed conflict THAT'S WAR!!

Our government put them there and our government has an OBLIGATION to take care of the Vets and THEIR FAMILIES...PERIOD!! No excuses!

From now on before our government sends troops into harms way anywhere in the world, it should be MANDATORY to DRAFT and SEND all the congress' children into combat FIRST!! Right there on the front line in the trenches. Then they'll call it a war from the get go!!
 
I'm sure they were flying a war mission, and not just out training...........BS, hopefully they will maximize her income stream as appropriate.
 
Just because this garbage overseas is not OFFICIALLY called a "WAR", does not mean it's NOT a war!! Combat is COMBAT regardless of what the hell they want to call it in D.C. or the media or whatever. Korea and Vietnam were NOT police actions to the troops stuck in the middle of that mess....IT WAS A FRIGGEN WAR!! When people are dying in armed conflict THAT'S WAR!!

Our government put them there and our government has an OBLIGATION to take care of the Vets and THEIR FAMILIES...PERIOD!! No excuses!

From now on before our government sends troops into harms way anywhere in the world, it should be MANDATORY to DRAFT and SEND all the congress' children into combat FIRST!! Right there on the front line in the trenches. Then they'll call it a war from the get go!!
Don't forget, part of the deal with the devil is to sacrifice a family member......................If passed as such, they would still make the vote, the sacrifice. It's a numbers game.......I hope we don't put boots on the ground overseas anymore, anything of magnitude. The Lords coming, so who knows how this plays out...
 
Just because this garbage overseas is not OFFICIALLY called a "WAR", does not mean it's NOT a war!! Combat is COMBAT regardless of what the hell they want to call it in D.C. or the media or whatever. Korea and Vietnam were NOT police actions to the troops stuck in the middle of that mess....IT WAS A FRIGGEN WAR!! When people are dying in armed conflict THAT'S WAR!!

Our government put them there and our government has an OBLIGATION to take care of the Vets and THEIR FAMILIES...PERIOD!! No excuses!

From now on before our government sends troops into harms way anywhere in the world, it should be MANDATORY to DRAFT and SEND all the congress' children into combat FIRST!! Right there on the front line in the trenches. Then they'll call it a war from the get go!!
I say leave the family members out of it. The draft should be all the members of congress and the government warhawks
 
"In her original Instagram post, Klinner said her casualty assistance officer told her “the missing benefits are combat pay-related, such as hostile fire/imminent danger pay, combat zone exclusions.”"

If she's not getting "hostile fire" benefits, it could be because it was a mid-air collision between two KC-135R. The plane was not shot down by enemy fire.

Major John "Alex" Klinner was a 33-year-old U.S. Air Force pilot from Alabama who tragically died alongside five other crew members when their KC-135 refueling aircraft went down over western Iraq on March 12, 2026. [1, 2, 3]

The Incident
    • What Happened: Two KC-135R aircraft were involved in a mid-air collision during a mission.
    • Location: Western Iraq.
    • Cause: Military officials stated the crash was not caused by hostile or friendly fire, and the incident remained under investigation
You do have to be in a declared combat zone to get combat pay.
 

Vice President Vance addresses question of benefits for widow of Alabama airman...​

TRUSSVILLE, Ala. (WBRC) - Vice President JD Vance commented on benefits for the family of Maj. Alex Klinner, an Auburn graduate who had recently moved to Trussville with his wife and children. Maj. Klinner was one of six airmen killed when their KC-135 Stratotanker crashed in western Iraq during Operation Epic Fury.

Maj. Klinner’s widow, Libby Klinner, posted on social media and said she was told her family might not be eligible for some wage benefits because the conflict in Iran has not been officially declared a war.

Major Alex Klinner recently deployed in support of Operation Epic Furry when his KC-135 plane crashed in western Iraq last week while serving his country. Klinner was among 6 airmen killed. He served in the Air Force for 8 years.(Klinner family)

During a White House press briefing on Thursday, Vance was asked about Libby Klinner’s post.

“Especially if you have the private contact information, we will reach out to her directly as soon as this is over and make sure she gets what she’s entitled to,” Vance said. “Obviously, our heart breaks for every single person who lost their lives in this operation. As much as our heart breaks, I can’t possibly fathom a young widow, what she’s feeling. And so we want to be as helpful as we can and ensure she gets everything she’s entitled to.”

Left to Right: Captain Ariana G. Savino, Major John "Alex" Klinner, Technical Sargent Ashley B. Pruitt(117th Air Refueling WIng)
Klinner was killed along with Capt. Ariana Savino and Sgt. Ashley Pruitt. All three served at the refueling squadron at Sumpter Smith Joint Air National Guard Base in Birmingham.

There were three other service members on the aircraft who all died. They were assigned to the 121st Air Refueling Wing at Rickenbacker Air National Guard Base in Columbus, Ohio, and were identified by federal and state officials as Capt. Seth Koval, 38, Capt. Curtis Angst, 30, and Tech. Sgt. Tyler Simmons, 28.

“We pray a lot, we cry a lot, but this is something that will never go away,” John Klinner, Maj. Klinner’s father told WBRC at a memorial honoring his son on Memorial Day. “It will get better with time, but it will never go away.”

Maj. Klinner and his wife also had a toddler-age son and twins who were 7 months old at the time of his death.

 
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