POL WHY WE HATE/FEAR/DISTRUST TRUMP (and who we would vote for)

[Dennis Olson]

Okay, time to coalesce all the Trump love/hate into a single pair of threads. There will be two

- Why we love Trump

- Why we hate Trump

The Hate Trump thread will have a poll posted as to who you would rather vote for.

Each side will be free to comment on the other thread. Each thread will have the link to the opposing thread in the OP.


Let's take the gloves off and have at it. These threads will be treated as if they were in TIO. That is, except for gratuitous profanity, pretty much anything goes.



SO - Those of you who hate Trump or cannot support his run - Please repost, in as much detail as you can, why you feel as you do.


The poll will be up shortly.


Link to the Support Trump thread:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?474039-WHY-WE-LOVE-SUPPORT-TRUMP

 

[Dozdoats]

All that list, and no NONE OF THE ABOVE?

Trump is more fun than any candidate I have seen in my lifetime. Don't hate him - hate is a very destructive thing to harbor. Don't love him. Don't even like him. But is great fun to watch him apply his version of political aikido to the whole political process. And apparently he does it instinctively, without coaches or handlers, which is even more fun.

The outcome of the next election, if indeed there is one, will still be disastrous no matter who "wins." But I have never had this much fun watching an election runup.

 

[Dozdoats]

None Of The Above IS a vote...

 

[Dennis Olson]

I WILL NOT BE VOTING is the "none of the above".

 

[Dennis Olson]

But is great fun to watch him apply his version of political aikido to the whole political process. And apparently he does it instinctively, without coaches or handlers, which is even more fun.


On another thread, the op-ed writer opined that crossing Trump was akin to be thrown into a bag of badgers. I just about ruined a keyboard when I read that.

 

[The Traveler]

Hey Dennis, you forgot Deez Nutz

 

[Sleeping Cobra]

WILL NOT BE VOTING is my vote.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Hey Dennis, you forgot Deez Nutz

heh....

 

[Blacknarwhal]

It's too easy.

After all these years of terrible candidates and More-Of-The-Same voting, suddenly we get a guy who's liberty-minded, understands business, won't screw over the little guy...and he's actually electable?

No way. It reeks of trap.

It's like if Ron Paul's campaign hadn't fallen apart. We know how that turned out, but who here wouldn't have voted for Ron Paul? Now suddenly, Ron Paul 2.0 has a chance of succeeding? It's like they WANT you to vote Trump just to see where all the Trump voters are for easier rounding-up later.

 

[Coulter]

Ok I'll play the dumb guy - because this is not clear to me.

I assume that this poll assumes that Trump is not running.

Is this accurate?

 

[Dennis Olson]

Ron Paul's campaign "fell apart" because he NEVER STEPPED UP TO FIGHT IT. He didn't have that "fire in the belly" needed to take the fight to the enemy. I loved Dr. Paul and everything he stands for. Voted for him multiple times. But in the end, he didn't have that fire that we need at this moment in history. And neither does ANYONE in the pack except Trump.

 

[Adino]

i predict a litany of posters w/ trust issues on this thread

it and doesn't necessarily have to do w/ trump per se

 

[Dennis Olson]

Ok I'll play the dumb guy - because this is not clear to me.

I assume that this poll assumes that Trump is not running.

Is this accurate?

No, it's not. The LOVE TRUMP thread assumes those people will vote for him. THIS is the HATE TRUMP thread and assumes that the folks posting here would NEVER vote for him. Because of that, why would he be on the poll?

 

[Be Well]

It's too easy.

After all these years of terrible candidates and More-Of-The-Same voting, suddenly we get a guy who's liberty-minded, understands business, won't screw over the little guy...and he's actually electable?

No way. It reeks of trap.

It's like if Ron Paul's campaign hadn't fallen apart. We know how that turned out, but who here wouldn't have voted for Ron Paul? Now suddenly, Ron Paul 2.0 has a chance of succeeding? It's like they WANT you to vote Trump just to see where all the Trump voters are for easier rounding-up later.

Over thinking it.

 

[JDSeese]

Ok I'll play the dumb guy - because this is not clear to me.

I assume that this poll assumes that Trump is not running.

Is this accurate?

I think the poll is only for those who will not be voting for Trump. If Trump is your man, don't vote in this poll.

 

[Marthanoir]

Obviously I won't be voting in your presidential election, at least to my knowledge I won't be

But I have nothing against Mr Trump, seems like a no nonsense kinda guy, not watched any of his shows as I don't do reality shows, but he knows business, he's pumped a lot of money into the golf course he bought in County Clare ( Doonbeg )

BUT... I'm weary of any figure who garners the kind of fanatical followers that Mr Trump seems to be gaining, as Obama did before him, as Jeremy Corbyn is doing in the UK with the Labour Party leadership race,
As Obama gained a fanatical following first time around not just from the usual lefty ding bats but and the followers of the latest fashion but also from those that were sick of Bush, I see Mr Trump gaining a flowing of those who are sick of Obama, even though they may not agree with him, and then the followers of what ever is hip at the time will join in,

Maybe it's the Trumpbots putting me off same as the Obots but I just find it creepy to have that much love for a public figure,

BUT (yeah another one ) it does make sense to have a successful businessman (or woman) running the country instead of a professional politician who's never actually worked in the real world,

There, clear as mud

 

[seeking one]

I have not made my mind up about Trump. It is VERY early in the process. I love what Trump says he will do, but I don't trust him. He will do what is best for Trump, not necessarily what is best for USA. What if they are different actions?

 

[Blacknarwhal]

Ron Paul's campaign "fell apart" because he NEVER STEPPED UP TO FIGHT IT. He didn't have that "fire in the belly" needed to take the fight to the enemy. I loved Dr. Paul and everything he stands for. Voted for him multiple times. But in the end, he didn't have that fire that we need at this moment in history. And neither does ANYONE in the pack except Trump.

Personally, I thought Ron Paul's campaign fell apart because any time he tried to get anywhere with it it was quickly blunted by the establishment figures. Why he didn't make the debates and all. Maybe eight years or so has dulled my memory of it, but I seem to remember a lot of skullduggery stopping him more than he just kind of let it all buckle.

 

[Ragnarok]

Hillary and Bernie each have one vote... How come Farmer John got two votes?

 

[Hfcomms]

To paraphrase one of my favorite movies from the 1980's:

If there was still even the slightest chance of preserving the nation I would probably hold my nose and vote for Trump. The reasons I would hold my nose are many but to keep it short he is the best among those who are running and who would actually have a chance of winning. Fact of the matter is that our condition is terminal and for the very first time I believe we might not even make it to the elections with an intact and functioning country....it's that late in the game as conditions in the world markets the last week including today's are showing us. The math of our situation doesn't care for nuances, hopium or positive thinking....math simply IS. Our remaining time is better spent [imo] continuing to prepare against the inevitable rather than thinking that an election can save us.

 

[Be Well]

Consider the nation as a ship. Sometimes the phrase "ship of state" has been used, IIRC. Consider the president as a captain. The captain all by himself can obviously not run a ship. But he definitely has an impact on how the ship is run, the course, whether to avoid the iceberg if it can be avoided and so on. When the perfect storm is upon us, with icebergs, sand shoals, mines and enemy subs, I think it matters a lot who the captain is.

So, people who don't vote are saying "it doensn't matter who the captain is - Trump, Biden, Jerry Brown, Sanders, Cruz, or Bush, the outcome will be exactly the same".

I so disagree with that words cannot say.

 

[eens]

My reason works for me, YMMV. One of my best friends is friends with Trump's cousin. They live in the Berkshires in MA. A few years ago, before this prez business, she told my friend not to trust him, he is a snake in the grass.

I got this same message from my priest who knows a friend of Trump's.

So I am just enjoying his letting the media have it, but won't vote for him. Oh yeah, I know they all are probably not worthy of trust but this one I know for sure.

 

[Be Well]

My reason works for me, YMMV. One of my best friends is friends with Trump's cousin. They live in the Berkshires in MA. A few years ago, before this prez business, she told my friend not to trust him, he is a snake in the grass.

I got this same message from my priest who knows a friend of Trump's.

So I am just enjoying his letting the media have it, but won't vote for him. Oh yeah, I know they all are probably not worthy of trust but this one I know for sure.

Okay, your friend is a friend of Trump's cousin. How well does this cousin know Trump? How many cousins does Trump have? I have cousins I haven't seen in more than 40 yrs btw....

And the priest knows knows a friend of Trump's. How well does the friend know Trump? If the friend thinks Trump is a snake in the grass, it sounds as though they are not actually "Friends".

One thing about wealthy people - they make enemies, people often suck up to them and want money as gifts or loans, and don't get it.

I am not saying these friends of friends are liars, I am saying that until details are known, it's not very useful or actionable info.

 

[Flashyzipp]

Trump is an idiot . . .

 

[Dennis Olson]

Personally, I thought Ron Paul's campaign fell apart because any time he tried to get anywhere with it it was quickly blunted by the establishment figures. Why he didn't make the debates and all. Maybe eight years or so has dulled my memory of it, but I seem to remember a lot of skullduggery stopping him more than he just kind of let it all buckle.

The point is that he never called them out on it. He never put up a huge stink (like tossing them into a bag of badgers - heh). He basically played by the rules, and those rules were twisted and subverted to destroy him. And he ALLOWED IT.

 

[Adino]

Hillary and Bernie each have one vote... How come Farmer John got two votes?

comes w/ being a card carrying democrap and progressive

vote early, vote often

 

[flying screwdriver]

I'm perfectly willing to vote for a snake in the grass as long as that snake is on our side!

GO TRUMP!!!

 

[Aardaerimus]

I view 2008 as the year America chose to give in to its cancer. Everything from here on out is for nothing but show and play. Ain't no power in the 'verse gonna save this sinking ship.

The noose is around our necks and we're standing on our tip-toes.

Get where you want to be when the machine grinds to a halt. You're going to be there for a long time.

 

[flying screwdriver]

Hillary and Bernie each have one vote... How come Farmer John got two votes?

Farmer John gets one vote....the other is that guy that is planning and looking forward to looting their neighbors and stealing their land after TSHTF.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Get where you want to be when the machine grinds to a halt. You're going to be there for a long time.


Boy, that's for sure...

 

[Dennis Olson]

Trump is an idiot . . .

Perhaps. But he's not a whore.

 

[Be Well]

Trump is an idiot . . .

How and why? Just tossing that in without any reasons is not convincing.

 

[Hfcomms]

The point is that he never called them out on it. He never put up a huge stink (like tossing them into a bag of badgers - heh). He basically played by the rules, and those rules were twisted and subverted to destroy him. And he ALLOWED IT.

Unfortunately I have to agree with that. Perhaps if Ron was a younger man at the time. Kind of hard for a doting old grandfather type to get really feisty. One thing you can say for Trump is that if he is dissed that he won't take it lying down. He'll be screaming bloody murder and making a huge stink. He won't play by someone else's rules.

 

[Dennis Olson]

And he has an ARMY of lawyers AND KNOWS HOW TO USE THEM.

"Bag of badgers" indeed.....

 

[Willow]

Perhaps. But he's not a whore.

That's debatable!

Willow

 

[Dennis Olson]

If anything willow, he'd be the PIMP. Whores work for the pimp. The pimp brings in all the cash.


But I was speaking in term of POLITICAL WHORE, and that he most certainly is NOT.

 

[Be Well]

That's debatable!

Willow

I don't think you addressed the points I made to you yesterday. Now you're throwing out another bomb....could you please back up your statement with something other than feelings?

 

[Buick Electra]

BUT... I'm weary of any figure who garners the kind of fanatical followers that Mr Trump seems to be gaining, as Obama did before him, as Jeremy Corbyn is doing in the UK with the Labour Party leadership race,...

Kinda like the 'Paulbots' as well?

 

[Garryowen]

Obviously I won't be voting in your presidential election, at least to my knowledge I won't be

If you do, you'll be voting for Hitlery.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I WILL NOT BE VOTING is the "none of the above".

Dennis we are still far enough out there could be a Dark Horse lurking in the shadows to snatch the nomination via scandals thinning the ranks, a sudden shift in the peoples outlook, or a brokered convention . My plan is to vote but I do not know who I will be voting for.