Who's in charge if bird flu strikes -- docs or cops? DHS says they are.

Kimber

Membership Revoked
I haven't seen this posted yet. My apologies if it was, but this is quite a frightening news story.

David

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Who's in charge if bird flu strikes -- docs or cops?
By JEFF NESMITH, M.A.J. McKENNA
Cox News Service
Wednesday, August 24, 2005

WASHINGTON — The head of the Department of Homeland Security said Tuesday his agency — and not the federal health establishment — will manage the country's response if a deadly new strain of bird flu evolves into a human pandemic.

The Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which includes the U.S. Public Health Services, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other health agencies, has previously described itself as the "primary federal agency" in a national health emergency.

But at a meeting with reporters, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said his department expects to have overall responsibility for managing a national pandemic response.

HHS would make decisions within its area of expertise, as would other federal, state and local agencies, he said.

Chertoff said that in the event of a pandemic, the government would depend heavily on the health expertise within HHS, "but we would manage the incident particularly with the view to make sure that all of the other pieces that could flow from the pandemic would be properly addressed."

Chertoff's statement and HHS pandemic planning documents suggest there is confusion over which government agency will have final authority over key decisions, such as who receives crucial drugs and vaccines and where health care resources are deployed.

Officials at HHS and the CDC did not respond to questions about Chertoff's assertions.

But public health officials and health care experts reacted with dismay.

"This is news to me," said Dr. George Hardy Jr., executive director of the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials, the professional organization for state health departments. "Clearly pandemics are public health issues. But certainly in today's climate, I would expect many parts of government — at the federal, state and local level —would be involved."

Health experts warned that placing Homeland Security above the country's health leadership threatened to repeat mistakes made during the fumbling response to the 2001 anthrax letter attacks, when public health expertise took a back seat to law enforcement concerns.

"They don't have the infrastructure at Homeland Security, or the technical expertise, to handle" a pandemic," said Dr. Georges(cq) Benjamin, executive director of the American Public Health Association, who was Maryland's health officer during the anthrax attacks.

"HHS and CDC need to be manning that process. To the extent it is coordinated with other federal agencies, Homeland Security, I am sure, will be in charge of intra-agency coordination. But at the end of the day, the command decisions for this ought to be made by public health practitioners."

The possibility that Homeland Security would lead a pandemic response drew quick negative reaction from emergency physicians, who expect their already overloaded departments to bear the worst burden in a mass outbreak.

"It's hard to imagine that Homeland Security, which has not worked on epidemics, could engage with an issue of this level of complexity, coming up to speed almost from scratch," said Dr. Arthur Kellermann, chief of emergency medicine at Emory University and a nationally recognized expert on emergency room overcrowding.

"Pandemic flu is a naturally occurring health threat of the first order, and the people who need to be at the center of that should be health care professionals first and foremost," he said.

In contrast, Dr. Michael Osterholm, a former Minnesota state epidemiologist who now directs the University of Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy, said he saw no conflict between the two federal agencies.

"It's not a problem," he said. "The secretary of HHS will be the key player in making the calls. There is no conflict between that and Homeland Security providing the coordination to make sure all the pieces work together."

Osterholm has been among the most vocal health officials in the country in warning of the implications of an influenza pandemic.

Flu experts at the CDC, the World Health Organization and other agencies have said that an A/H5N1 influenza strain circulating among wild and domestic fowl in Asia represents a serious threat to millions of people worldwide if it mutates into a disease that spreads among humans.

As of Aug. 5, 112 persons are known to have contracted the disease from infected fowl and 57 of them died, according to WHO.

European countries have begun scrambling to defend their poultry stocks against flu carried by migrating birds.

Animal-health agencies from the 25 European Union member countries plan to meet in Brussels Thursday to discuss the threat.

HHS has been under pressure from Congress for several months to finalize a response plan in case the deadly virus begins human-to-human transmission and Americans are endangered.

The plan was finalized at the beginning of this month and turned over to HHS Secretary Michael Leavitt, but it has not been made public.

A draft "Concept of Operations" document attached to the HHS plan, which was released last August, states: "HHS will be the primary federal agency responsible for public health and medical emergency planning, preparations, response and recovery" in a national health emergency.

The Department of Homeland Security asserts its authority to manage a pandemic response under a National Response Plan released in December that covers "incidents of national significance," including pandemics.

Both documents use very similar language to assert their authority.

HHS said it would take charge when "the resources of state, local or tribal public health and/or medical authorities are overwhelmed and HHS assistances has been requested by the appropriate authorities.

Homeland Security would assume authority when "the resources of state and local authorities are overwhelmed and federal assistances has been requested by the appropriate state and local authorities."

"The Department of Homeland Security has the responsibility for managing an incident," Chertoff said Tuesday.

As for the HHS plan, he said, "We are reviewing the plan now."

Russ Knocke, Chertoff's press spokesman, added that "at the management level, we would have the ball" in a flu pandemic.

"Homeland would be at the point from an incident management perspective, but HHS would be right there at our side providing invaluable expertise," Knocke said in a telephone interview.

Later, Knocke called back to say he had spoken with another official — whom he refused to identify — and sought to emphasize that "we will rely on our partners in the federal government to provide expertise" in dealing with a pandemic or other incident.

Jeff Nesmith's e-mail address is jeffn(at)coxnews.com

http://www.dailysentinel.com/search/content/shared/news/nation/stories/08/24FLU_AUTHORITY.html
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Fema will ultimately be in charge........Dave............

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

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doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/terror2001/quar7_20011107.htm

Vast quarantine role advocated for states
Plan would let agencies shut roads, cities during a biological terror attack
November 7, 2001
BY SETH BORENSTEIN

FREE PRESS WASHINGTON STAFF

WASHINGTON -- In the event of a bio-terrorist attack using a deadly and contagious disease such as smallpox, public health officials want to be able to close roads and airports, herd people into stadiums, and, if necessary, quarantine entire infected cities.

To make that possible, 50 governors this week are to receive copies of a proposed law, drafted at the behest of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta, which could give states immense power to control their populations.
The proposed Model State Emergency Health Powers Act may be months or years away from enactment by state legislatures. It may be amended beyond recognition. But health officials say major new legislation is crucial to keep smallpox, plague or hemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola from spreading in the event of a terror attack. Unlike anthrax, they are highly contagious.
As a general principle, the draft law says authorities could "require isolation or quarantine of any person by the least restrictive means necessary to protect the public health."

Broad quarantines envisioned in the draft have never been invoked in the United States. They raise all sorts of logistical, political and ethical questions in a mobile society, public health experts concede. But such quarantines also may save lives.
"If we don't do it, what would happen? I don't think we've got any choice but to quarantine," said Dr. Lew Stringer, medical director of North Carolina's special operations response team that handles disasters and bio-terror.

"The first thing you do is shut down the roads," he said. "Then you shut down the interstates, you shut down the schools, you shut down the businesses. You're shutting down essential services, not just nonessential ones."

Local governments need to practice plans for quarantines like fire drills to ensure they work in an emergency, said Dr. Scott Lillibridge, the bio-terrorism assistant to Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson.

Thompson said Tuesday: "If we did have an outbreak of smallpox," a possible quarantine "would certainly be one of the avenues we'd have to explore."
CDC authorities and a state's governor would exercise their authority using mobilized National Guard units, said James Lee Witt, former director of the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Lawyers and public health professors at Georgetown University in Washington and at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore drafted the plan, in collaboration with representatives of governors, state and local health officials and state attorneys general.

Congress "should give public health authorities strong powers to be able to isolate or quarantine people if necessary for the public health," said the proposal's chief author, Lawrence Gostin, professor and director at the two universities' Center for Law and the Public's Health in Washington.

Many states already have quarantine laws, but they may not be constitutional, Gostin said. He said his proposal would probably pass constitutional muster because it lets detainees ask a judicial-medical board to get them out of quarantine.

In Michigan, there are legal provisions for the governor to declare a medical emergency and for state agencies to issue a quarantine, said Geralyn Lasher, spokeswoman for the state Department of Community Health.
Between the Public Health Code, she said, and the Emergency Management Act, "we have about all the areas covered" in case of a bio-terrorism attack and the need to issue a quarantine.

Gostin said the question of quarantines "is probably the biggest issue because it involves liberty of individuals in the public." He said the proposal would give officials authority to take control of hospitals or stadiums to house quarantined people.

But in the event of a quarantine, some people would likely evade restrictions and spread the infection elsewhere, experts said.
In one simulation, involving a fake plague that struck at a rock concert in Chicago, questions arose about what to do with people who insisted on breaking the quarantine, said Randy Larsen of the AnserInstitute, a security think-tank in Arlington, Va.
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Would a National Guardsman, he asked, shoot a grandmother trying to evade quarantine?
Maybe, Gostin said. "You have to use all reasonable force." Sometimes, he added, that could mean lethal force.
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Yep, if Granny doesn't listen she'll bite the big enchlada, pronto!
 

Kimber

Membership Revoked
Doc,

FEMA was sucked into DHS. . . . which means Chertoff. Comforting thought, no?

David
 

doctor_fungcool

TB Fanatic
Kimber said:
Doc,

FEMA was sucked into DHS. . . . which mean Chertoff. Comforting thought, no?

David

Large cities that are affected by a bio-event will be deemed 'no go zones'..........or military zones. They will be sealed off........people will be told to stay indoors. Those that do not obey will be probably disposed of by the application of high velocity, long range lead poisoning. Portable cremation units.........which are already available will dispose of those who've died. Hospitals?
Forgetaboutit. There won't be any..........most wouldn't be able to handle mass casualities. Don't bother googling 'portable cremation units'...........you probably won't find any info on them.
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
Well guys you really lay in on the line, and you're probably nailed all the core issues, a sobering set of reads :shkr:
 

Matt

Veteran Member
I am re-reading the Gulag Archipelago by Solzehanitsyn. Stalin wrote damned near similar codes under his reign of Terror.

"We didn't love freedom enough. And even more-we had no awareness of the real situation...we hurried to submit. We submitted with pleasure!"

Part 1. chapter 1. footnote 5
The Gulag Archipelago
 

snowmiser

Veteran Member
you like how all the Docs quoted in the article are falling all over themselves to stay they can't understand why DHS would take charge, or more importantly in their little academic world - HOW DHS could handle a pandemic - only concentrating on the health aspects of the opertation? heh... permit me to share my humble opinion on what the main idea of this story is, emphasis added.

Chertoff said that in the event of a pandemic, the government would depend heavily on the health expertise within HHS, "but we would manage the incident particularly with the view to make sure that all of the other pieces that could flow from the pandemic would be properly addressed."
come on now, is it really that hard to guess what this code language he's using stands for?
 

gisgaia

Veteran Member
There is something else about these matters that should be known. That with this threatened Pandemic looming, imho, we are all now looking down the barrel of the gun, imho.

Without going into all the details of how this info came about.. I will simply say that the source was not some wild rumor floating about.

There are 18-wheeler semi's that are used by mil. teams for transporting some sort of portable (mini?) nuclear type weapons around the USA on an as-needed basis. These trucks are completely disguised with name-brand logos & contain trained/armed teams on board + fleets of decoy escort vehicles. Of course, very advanced telecomms, etc & state-of-art systems...

When asked about why such a need for these types of ops, the reply was that there are certain BCW biologicals that would require this type of response and nothing less would suffice to protect national security.

Yes, this is very unsettling but it goes right along with all the warnings in the late '90's by Alibelek & also Richard Preston when they addressed Congress about these matters and how most of the BCW agents have been extensively modified & combined so that they will be highly contagious with a kill-rate close to 100%.

Richard Preston wrote: The Hot Zone + The Cobra Event + The Demon in the Freezer after extensive research in Biochemical warfare technology & global politics

Ken Alibek was a top scientist from the Soviet biological-weapons program, the Biopreparat. He advised the US government & wrote "Biohazard: The Chilling True Story of the Largest Covert Biological Weapons Program in the World--Told from Inside by the Man Who Ran It". Also search here on TB or net to read his "ANNALS OF WARFARE - THE BIOWEAPONEERS"

---* Adding that this Bird Flu / Avian Influenza H5N1 scenario may very well not be of natural evolution and came straight out of some covert laboratory via genetic engineering & samples obtained via digging up the corpses from 1918 pandemic ...
 
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Warthog

Black Out
doctor_fungcool said:
Fema will ultimately be in charge........Dave............

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.



EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

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CORRECT DOC. What do you think they're going to use all these closed military bases for?
 
Let me take a wild guess.....If you don't let them give your family their Mercke poison.They will declare you a terroristic threat.Take your property,then ship everyone to an Internment camp for the public good....

Guess they finally found a way to scare all of the sheep into compliance!
 
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