GOV/MIL White House to tell U.S. agencies to prepare for first government shutdown of pandemic

phloydius

Veteran Member
White House to tell U.S. agencies to prepare for first government shutdown of pandemic
Officials stress the preparations are part of standard practice but come amid multiple vexing fiscal fights in Washington

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Acting Director of the Office of Management and Budget Shalanda Young before testifying before the Senate Budget Committee's hearing to examine President BidenÕs proposed budget request for fiscal year 2022 on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., USA, 08 June 2021. (SHAWN THEW/EPA-EFE)

By Tony Romm, Jeff Stein and Mike DeBonis
Today at 3:04 p.m. EDT

The White House budget office will tell federal agencies on Thursday to begin preparations for the first shutdown of the U.S. government since the pandemic began, as lawmakers on Capitol Hill struggle to reach a funding agreement.

Administration officials stress the request is in line with traditional procedures seven days ahead of a shutdown and not a commentary on the likelihood of a congressional deal. Both Democrats and Republicans have made clear they intend to fund the government before its funding expires on Sept. 30, but time is running out and lawmakers are aiming to resolve an enormous set of tasks to in a matter of weeks.

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House Democrats earlier this week approved a measure to fund the government, suspend the debt ceiling, and approve emergency aid such as disaster relief. But that plan is expected to die in the Senate amid GOP refusal to support Democratic attempts to lift the debt ceiling.

With the first of two major deadlines looming next week, Democrats publicly maintained the current course, pledging to put the House-backed bill before the Senate that would fund the government into December and allow the country to borrow freely throughout most of 2022.

“Every single member of this chamber is going to go on record as to whether they support keeping the government open and averting a default, or support shutting us down and careening our country toward a first-ever default,” Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) said to open debate on the chamber floor.

Privately, though, Democrats also began to acknowledge they are unlikely to prevail in the face of a GOP blockade. Democrats have started discussing the mechanics of how to sidestep Republicans as soon as next week, according to lawmakers and aides, as they maintain they will not allow the government to shut down in a pandemic or the country to default for the first time in history.

“We’re looking at all the options, but a government shutdown is not acceptable,” said Sen. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.), a member of the chamber’s budget committee.

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Many government functions are financed through spending bills that must be approved by Congress, including everything from the military to education programs. A partial shutdown will commence on Oct. 1 if Congress doesn’t act. This doesn’t bring all government operations to an immediate halt, but it does require hundreds of thousands of federal employees to go home without pay. And many of the government employees who continue working because they are deemed “essential” will not be paid until Congress approves a new funding measure.

Then-President Donald Trump presided over the longest shutdown in U.S. history, a 35-day lapse that didn’t end until late January 2019. During that shutdown, Coast Guard families were told to consider holding garage sales to bring in extra income while they waited to be paid. Other federal employees sold personal belongings online to try and raise cash so they could pay their bills. Trump held out for more than a month, demanding that Congress approve money to build a wall along the Mexico border, but Democrats held firm. Trump eventually backed down when some air traffic controllers refused to come in to work without pay, delaying flights and triggering outrage.

The implications for a shutdown during a health pandemic, however, could be much different.

Bill Hoagland, a senior vice president at the Bipartisan Policy Center and former Republican staff director for the Senate Budget Committee, pointed out that parts of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the National Institutes of Health would be closed as part of any new government shutdown because they are funded by Congress. Hoagland said a very brief shutdown may occur but said he doubted it would go on for “any length of time” because of the implications.

“This would be the first shutdown during a declaration of national emergency,” Hoagland said. “In the midst of an ongoing pandemic and non-resolved issues related to the delta virus, to have a shutdown of some of the major federal agencies would add unbelievable complications to our ability to recover.”

The new shutdown warnings come amid a series of rapid developments in Washington over multiple concurrent fiscal fights, including the president’s economic agenda and a looming debt ceiling cliff that if not resolved in weeks could plunge the economy into recession.

Speaking independently to reporters on Thursday, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and Schumer announced they had reached a framework agreement with the White House over how to pay for Democrats’ $3.5 trillion economic relief package. The Democratic leaders did not share any details about the tax increases or other measures they have agreed to adopt. The House of Representatives is set to vote Monday on a separate $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package amid a revolt from liberal-leaning Democrats insisting that the $3.5 trillion package secure approval at the same time.

An already difficult challenge given their fierce internal divisions, Democrats’ attempts to pass the infrastructure and spending plans are further complicated by the looming deadlines over funding the government and need to avert a default.

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In a sign of the early scramble to avoid a shutdown, the Senate’s two top appropriators — Chairman Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) and top Republican Richard C. Shelby (Ala.) — are set to huddle at a meeting later Thursday to discuss issues potentially including a short-term agreement to keep the government funded. Such a measure could be moved independently of an increase in the debt ceiling, since Republicans including McConnell have an expressed an openness to supporting such a solution.

Still, given that the funding has not been approved, the White House Office of Management and Budget is planning to tell federal agencies Thursday to review and revise their emergency plans for a shutdown.

“We fully expect Congress to work in a bipartisan fashion to keep our government open, get disaster relief to the Americans who need it, and avoid a catastrophic default, especially as we continue to confront the pandemic and power an economic recovery,” said Abdullah Hasan, an OMB spokesman, in a statement. “In the meantime, prudent management requires that the government plan for the possibility of a lapse in funding. Consistent with long-standing practice across multiple Administrations, OMB is preparing for any contingency, and determinations about specific programs are being actively reviewed by agencies.”
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Like to see them shut down all the unconstitutional agencies and fire all their tens of thousands of govt employees without further pay or benefits. Then, with more than 1/2 the govt gone, starting seriously cutting taxes by equal amount, too.
 

Night Breeze

Veteran Member
Trump did it for 35 days and the Smithsonian and National Parks closed. By liberal logic Biden will either make the Demons stop the budget increase or close up shop for 70 days. Maybe he can fix the economy about the same time he fixes the border? Not,not, not.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
What happened with the traffic controllers last time, may happen even more quickly this time.

Most people who are sent home do not see this as a "vacation," it tends to be a horribly stressful time and if it goes on very long people either lose their savings or they start not being able to pay their bills, especially younger and lower-level employees.

And while, so far, each time Congress has backdated pay, as a former personnel clerk I can tell you they don't have to do so and this Congress is my personal candidate for being the most likely to not do so.

This used to almost never happen, now it is becoming almost a bi-annual event, this time with the prospect of an actual government default on top of it.

My experience as a Federal Employee was that the public generally thinks they are all useless until they or someone they love NEEDS something that this or that agency does, then you have to hold the phone away while someone screams profanity at you along the lines of "What do you mean it will be six months before the file is even considered, I pay my taxes, you work for me, I demand this be sorted RIGHT NOW, I'm calling my congress critter"...etc...

But my final observation is that this time, I think people are wary, scared, and mad enough they just might go job hunting after that first missed paycheck.

And the people that tend to "walk" (like those Air Traffic Controllers) tend not to be the "dead wood" employees that of course do exist in the Civil Service but those you would like to keep working because they actually do work. However, they also expect to get paid for it.
 

Samuel Adams

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Like to see them shut down all the unconstitutional agencies and fire all their tens of thousands of govt employees without further pay or benefits. Then, with more than 1/2 the govt gone, starting seriously cutting taxes by equal amount, too.

What else yuh wunn’em to do, bake you a pie ?

:cmpcf:
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
They always make up any back pay to the Gooberment workers and unlike Social Security, they always pay back the monies that were supposed to go into the government retirement funds. The essentials stay open and operating.

Fact is the things that actually stay open are most likely the only things government should be doing.

Now, if they default on the debt payments, that would be a world shaker.
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
Some states you can file for unemployment and pay it back. A lot of times your bank will ask for your paystub and issue a 0% loan payable as soon as you are paid again (90 days usually). The news makes it out to be a bigger deal than it is.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Some states you can file for unemployment and pay it back. A lot of times your bank will ask for your paystub and issue a 0% loan payable as soon as you are paid again (90 days usually). The news makes it out to be a bigger deal than it is.
The issue with that is there is no guarantee that employees will be paid back. Historically it has always happened but we are in uncharted waters here.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The issue with that is there is no guarantee that employees will be paid back. Historically it has always happened but we are in uncharted waters here.
Exactly, and as I said before, this Congress has my "vote" to be the most likely to not be able to pass a bill for back pay, even for those employees who are forced to actually pretend to work during a shutdown.

I say pretend because while some agencies and employees do have jobs they can do as "essential" employees - like building security or some DOD jobs. For the most part "essential" employees are not those really essential do to the work because without the other employees they can't.

What they mostly are, are managers and supervisors who sit at desks, answer all the phones and make sure no employee illegally "volunteers" to come back to work because that could get the manager and possibly the Agency head in jail.

I can, however, predict with no psychic ability that this time if things go on very long desperate people will go get other jobs and that the next shut down, people will walk even faster - and again it will be the good and hardworking employees for the most part, not those who know they can't get a job anywhere else.
 

Blue 5

Veteran Member
They always make up any back pay to the Gooberment workers and unlike Social Security, they always pay back the monies that were supposed to go into the government retirement funds.

Just adding a little truth bomb here. I can confirm that this is not always true. Some years back during one of these fiscal year-end budget fights, we were furloughed for one day per week for a couple of months. During the course of the furlough my colleagues and I were shafted out of thousands of dollars. We did NOT get it back. We were told that they "were doing everything that they could" to get it back for us...apparently "everything that they could" was nothing.

However, at this point I wouldn't shed a tear if they burn the whole government down, since they're not paying me right now anyway.
 

Cuffo

Contributing Member
The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019 guarantees back pay to Federal workers in the case of a shutdown regardless of whether they worked or not.

So it does become a paid holiday for some.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The Government Employee Fair Treatment Act of 2019 guarantees back pay to Federal workers in the case of a shutdown regardless of whether they worked or not.

So it does become a paid holiday for some.
If that is the case then things have been changing, it still is NOT a vacation, because if it goes on very long most people can't live without a paycheck especially younger workers and those in the lower GS-bands.

For a few days, even a couple of weeks, most people can get by if they know they will get paid eventually but a lot of people can't go any longer than that.

In a perfect world that would not be true, everyone would have savings, but this is not a perfect world.

Most younger workers in the lower pay brackets, especially those with families may be in big trouble by the end of a month or more of shutting down, and this time the potential is there for a long shutdown.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
I am always suspicious of coinkydinks, and this is just in time for the start of the new federal fiscal year.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
OK.

So when are the payments due out that we might be defaulting on, anyway??

Asking for a bartender. wants to be SURE that the granite rocks and Bourbon Snifter are fully down to temp in time.
 
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