CHAT Where is all this Dementia coming from?!?!?

cleobc

Veteran Member
Back in the '80s, cattleman, Howard Lyman was on Oprah's show and said Mad Cow disease was running rampant in the US, not just Great Britain.

He and Oprah were sued by the Cattlemans Association. They were scared people would stop eating beef because Oprah said she would never eat another hamburger or steak again.

Oprah won the lawsuit.

Howard came to Battle Creek, MI, and talked to a group I attended. He said in about 15-20 years there would be a deluge of CJD.

I often wonder if this is what's going on with all the dementia cases.

Those prions just don't go away.

The DNR knows how widespread it is in nature, but aren't making it well known.
Howard Lyman, the "anti-meat activist" trashed beef on Oprah's show. The price of beef plunged because of fear people would stop buying it if Oprah declared it unsafe. Families whose year's income was dependent on the cattle they sold in the few days after this show were devastated financially. Oprah's lawyers suggested it was racism that made the cattle owners sue her and that they were "cattle barons" suing. In reality, the average ranch family was making around $25,000-$30,000 a year at that time. "Mad cow" (bovine spongiform encephalopathy) never got going in this country and never caused the millions of deaths predicted by the anti-meat zealots.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
It isn't all linked to genetics, but some of it is. There are known patterns of CERTAIN TYPES of dementia running in families, and I'm pretty sure that has been noted for centuries.

Like certain types of cancer, that had also run in families, genetics is not the only problem.

Genetics can predispose people to certain diseases or conditions. When exposed to environmental factors (including foods and medicine), they become more likely to contract or contract them sooner.

The classic is Type II diabities. It used to be a disease of old age, usually not showing up before people were in their late 50s and, more often, in their 70s and 80s. There is almost certainly a genetic component of that, but because it didn't kick in until old age, and even at those ages, that most people didn't even reach, it wasn't well understood.

Now that the food and environment have changed, people show up with it in childhood and as teenagers, who used to almost only exhibit type one, a different disease. But again, genetics plays a role with specific populations like Native Americans, African Americans, and even South Sea Islanders, who are worse affected than people with different ancestry (I forgot Asian Indians as well). But they are seeing some of this everywhere, with Ireland reporting children as young as ten presenting with Type II. So, simply being of Northern European or Celtic Stock is not serious protection either.

Again, like the whole autism debate, I suspect in the end it won't be an "either/or" argument but a "yes/and" one. That's a problem with Western research styles and thought on almost every subject. Our cultures want the only answer, and they have trouble with less clear or multiple answers.

In medicine, some of this comes from the idea supported by Big Pharma of: The One and Only Vaccine, Cure, or Treatment.


But once again that's a subject for a different post. But my suspicion is that Dementia, Type II Diabetes, and what is called Autism are all a dance between genetics and environment (environment being anything a person is exposed to). This is why not everyone exposed to the same things always has the same conditions.

The study of couples probably needs its branch of medicine because of broken heart syndrome, where one partner often dies shortly after the first one does, but not always of the same condition. If some forms of dementia are related to both heart disease and inflammation, as well as stress, then having one follow the other isn't all that surprising, along with eating the same foods and other environmental factors.
 

TeaLeaf

Membership Revoked
Leaving out the larger number of old people:

Jabs.
Yep! Definitive signal here...

A nationwide, retrospective cohort study leveraging data from the Korean National Health Insurance Service was conducted.

Methods: The study, conducted in Seoul, South Korea, analyzed data from a random 50% sample of city residents aged 65 and above, totaling 558 017 individuals. Participants were divided into vaccinated and unvaccinated groups, with vaccinations including mRNA and cDNA vaccines. The study focused on AD and MCI incidences post-vaccination, identified via ICD-10 codes, using multivariable logistic and Cox regression analyses. Patients with vascular dementia or Parkinson's disease served as controls.

Results: Findings showed an increased incidence of MCI and AD in vaccinated individuals, particularly those receiving mRNA vaccines, within three months post-vaccination. The mRNA vaccine group exhibited a significantly higher incidence of AD (odds ratio [OR]: 1.225; 95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.025-1.464; P = 0.026) and MCI (OR: 2.377; CI: 1.845-3.064; P < 0.001) compared to the unvaccinated group. No significant relationship was found with vascular dementia or Parkinson's disease.

 

Kennori

Senior Member
Somebody should do a retroactive study on dementia rates, IQ decline, reduction in standardized testing scores, and the drop-out/fail rate in schools clustered in cities that introduced fluoride into their water systems. You could go back to the fifties and proceed forward in time until now. I wonder if there was a concomitant decrease in the amount of cavities children were treated for by dentists as was the claim. Should be easy to find out. By the way I heard a good joke yesterday, what's the difference between Fauci and Mengele? Era, scope, and magnitude.
 

Kritter

The one and only...
My mother was a health nut, and in her later years ate only like salad, chicken and water. I tried to explain to her that the other food groups played an important role too, but she would not touch fat or anything she perceived to have cholesterol in it, and she started showing signs of dementia in her mid 70s, and to this day I think it's because she deprived her brain of fats. I think liberal women in her generation in particular (born like '35-'50) went through this health craze in the 70s with their yoghurt and their wheat germ (also right when diet products started to flood the market, BEFORE the obesity epidemic) and ended up robbing their brains in the long term. So it might be that people eat healthier, live longer, and instead of dying earlier from heart disease and cancer, end up with dementia because that's what comes next.
 

PalmettoGirl

Senior Member
I think the use of statins plays a role. Also low B12 can cause dementia. The metals in vaccines and everyday products contributes. Plastics and chemicals like fluoride. I think it’s a combination of things. I don’t take any medications. Never get a flu shot or other vaccine. I drink distilled water. And take supplements. I eat healthy fats and get sunshine and exercise as much as I can. But there is so much pollution in our environment and the products we consume that I think we can only do our best to avoid the worst offenders and try to stay as healthy as possible.
 

L.A.B.

CV19 West Coast 1st Battalion “Maverick’s”
nanite mircro clotting. The tech-know cholesterol and hard-arteries of the Post CV-19 BWF campaigns.

Day Job: L.A.B. 1st battalion Won-Star General PSI-2-COUNTER PSYOPS Insurgent. North American / CONUS Sector reporting… LOL!
 
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L.A.B.

CV19 West Coast 1st Battalion “Maverick’s”
How much do unrealistic expectations for our age (and life injuries) impact our perception of how healthy we are?

Exactly! My stepsons ‘cute as a bug girlfriend’ has had 3 X’s V@XXX. I’m sure being 38 years older, I would be a lightweight with all that coursing through me.
 

Tesss

Veteran Member
Ok, I’m toast!
I was part of the “Crest Test” on grade school kids in Indiana. Half were given fluoride in crest tooth paste and the other half of students were given just plain crest toothpaste. This was back in late 50’s. The results gave fluoride a rousing report. Even had a commercial from Crest/fluoride experiment bragging about it and first small town to add it to water system. It was shown during Miss America pageant. I have had fibromyalgia symptoms since puberty. Of course the crop planes flying closely over our house probably didn’t help much either! Oh look no more butterflies!
 

Terrwyn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I resurrected this post because every other day or so I'm seeing reports of elderly people with dementia wandering away from home and being found days later dead in the desert.
What I was wondering is why with modern technology don't they implant some kind of tracking device or a bracelet that can't be removed or something. Just yesterday they found a lady in her 60's deceased and now this morning I'm reading of an elderly gentleman only wearing shorts missing from yesterday. It's 73 out right now at 2 AM but that feels so cold after 102 degree day. Anyway just wishing they would do something so people could be found.
 

Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
I had heart bypass surgery a couple years ago. They have a medication regimen that they follow. All the anti cholesterol drugs they want you to take. I didn't take them. On my one year followup with the surgeon they asked why I wasn't taking this long list of drugs. I told them that I'm a combat vet, death doesn't scare me, but that dementia does, and that these drugs cause dementia. She looked me square in the face and told me that "all of the drugs caused dementia."
 

SmithJ

Veteran Member
It isn't all linked to genetics, but some of it is. There are known patterns of CERTAIN TYPES of dementia running in families, and I'm pretty sure that has been noted for centuries.

Like certain types of cancer, that had also run in families, genetics is not the only problem.

Genetics can predispose people to certain diseases or conditions. When exposed to environmental factors (including foods and medicine), they become more likely to contract or contract them sooner.

The classic is Type II diabities. It used to be a disease of old age, usually not showing up before people were in their late 50s and, more often, in their 70s and 80s. There is almost certainly a genetic component of that, but because it didn't kick in until old age, and even at those ages, that most people didn't even reach, it wasn't well understood.

Now that the food and environment have changed, people show up with it in childhood and as teenagers, who used to almost only exhibit type one, a different disease. But again, genetics plays a role with specific populations like Native Americans, African Americans, and even South Sea Islanders, who are worse affected than people with different ancestry (I forgot Asian Indians as well). But they are seeing some of this everywhere, with Ireland reporting children as young as ten presenting with Type II. So, simply being of Northern European or Celtic Stock is not serious protection either.

Again, like the whole autism debate, I suspect in the end it won't be an "either/or" argument but a "yes/and" one. That's a problem with Western research styles and thought on almost every subject. Our cultures want the only answer, and they have trouble with less clear or multiple answers.

In medicine, some of this comes from the idea supported by Big Pharma of: The One and Only Vaccine, Cure, or Treatment.

But once again that's a subject for a different post. But my suspicion is that Dementia, Type II Diabetes, and what is called Autism are all a dance between genetics and environment (environment being anything a person is exposed to). This is why not everyone exposed to the same things always has the same conditions.

The study of couples probably needs its branch of medicine because of broken heart syndrome, where one partner often dies shortly after the first one does, but not always of the same condition. If some forms of dementia are related to both heart disease and inflammation, as well as stress, then having one follow the other isn't all that surprising, along with eating the same foods and other environmental factors.

“all a dance between genetics and environment”

And also Parkinson’s.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
During lucid moments, early in DW's dementia, we considered that her chemo for breast cancer contributes to the dementia. After all it changed he hair from straight blond to curly brown and her taste for many foods changed. that had to happen somewhere in the brain. I wonder how many cancer survivors have dementia? Or, how many dementia patients had chemo?

Shadow
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
My mom and my uncle? Contributing factor with both - alcoholism. But Mom had also been infected by a tick bite with ehrlichiosis in her 80's which really messed with her head and otherwise, neurologically. Though treated successfully, I think it accelerated the process.

Also the fact that their maternal line had multi-generational expression of dementia/Alzheimer's.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I might be all wrong but I think the coondition was under diagnosed for a long time but, now that there is more general awareness, it seems like the professionals may be over diagnosing or maybe they radically adjusted the threshholds a lot lower.

I'm not qualified to say one way or the other but can happily report my wife doesn't think I'm affected so I guess that is a good thing!
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Rather than rationalize things and blaming "da vax" or whatever, here's three things that were discussed by a few docs that work in gerontology that I am still in contact with.

First, rather than "evolving" the human body/DNA is devolving due to what is commonly called the copy machine effect. Not a dem thing we can do about it except to live our best life including all of the stuff mentioned already in the thread which is diet, efforts to control system inflammation, etc, and yada. Regardless of whether you have a creationist worldview, this is something accepted by many biologists. It is where mistakes or changes happen during replication.

Second, STRESS. Stress has a very adverse effect on the body and mind. Stress comes in all shapes and sizes and causes and is a known factor in deteriorating physical (and mental) health.

Third, CORTISOL. While usually associated with women and having difficulty controlling weight, it is a stress hormone so it goes with my previous statement. But additionally, Cortisol is known to effect cognitive and metabolic health. It is also known to cause inflammation spikes in some people, particularly women.
 

Signwatcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
During lucid moments, early in DW's dementia, we considered that her chemo for breast cancer contributes to the dementia. After all it changed he hair from straight blond to curly brown and her taste for many foods changed. that had to happen somewhere in the brain. I wonder how many cancer survivors have dementia? Or, how many dementia patients had chemo?

Shadow

My Dad wound up with what his Doctor called Chemobrain. It's a thing alright.
 

rs657

Veteran Member
They have been poisoning us for years and the additives list is exhausting and we may never know what really killed us.
.
I asked AI to list all food additives and this is what I got:

It is impossible to write a single list of every specific food additive because regulatory bodies like the US FDA and the international Codex Alimentarius approve over 3,000 distinct substances for use in food.
 

markshere2

Senior Member
Years ago I served on a water trust board for a large lake here in central Oklahoma
Specifically thunderbird
We did quarterly water reports
The number one drug we were finding in the lake water was estrogen
The second most common was viagra
Anti bacterial soaps and body wash were also prevalent
Then there was various fertilizers
This lake has the smallest watershed of any lake in Oklahoma
Soooooo
Draw your conclusion
Yeah, but the watershed includes OKC, Norman, and Tinker AFB, so that's a LOT of humanity.
 

West

Senior
Mmmmmm....going to need more to go on here

I just quickly looked in a internet search and found this link among many. There's so many rabbit holes its that way for a reason.

Head and shoulders is one of the worst.

 

raven

TB Fanatic
Try this thought experiment.
Get your medicine that you take the most. A pill.
Now sit at the dining table with that pill between your thumb and forefinger.

Appreciate the size, weight, density, mass, and any other physical attribute.
And realize that compared to your body mass, it is next to nothing.

Man, if that statin can affect your body, or the metformin, or the zetai, or valsartin.

The additives they put in your food , even in small amounts can potentially

f#ck you up.
 
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