FARM When Walmart runs out of food what will YOU do?

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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One of my landowners was supposed to be planting corn today on a field I hunt.

I stopped by to see if he actually was.

Last year, the pigs just killed him when he planted...rooted up a bunch of the field.

The seed corn he was using cost $330 per 50lb bag. :shkr:
 
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usmcpackrat

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One thing I did as soon as I realized there were going to be shortages, was to fill up the incubator with quail eggs. They hatch at 19 days and are ready to butcher at 8 weeks. It only takes a few seconds to butcher a quail, it's not like you need to set aside a day to butcher. So every 19 days we have a new batch of at least 20 chicks. At two weeks old they're fully feathered and ready to go outside in cages - in an outbuilding. I'm absolutely loving the quial!

A couple of days ago, Dh butchered some of our old birds. They don't get tough with age like chickens do. He bartered some of them along with a couple of dozen eggs for some of those woven wire dog kennel panels that a neighbor wanted to get rid of. We needed them because all of our goat kids are boys and need to be separated from their mommas.

Our little Nigerian Dwarf goats are giving us more milk than we can use in a day, so today, I made farm cheese for the first time! It came out wonderful!! I added a few wild onions dug up by our old woods road and some parsley from the garden. The whey went to the pigs. Here's the video I used ( love this channel!) :

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6kQO7tXfcM


Hubby wanted a hair cut. I've never cut hair before! Anyway, he found this video on YT. It came out great, he's thrilled to bits! The boy's next!

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBtay3_Ux7c


We were joking on another thread here about frilly aprons and dressing up for our Dhs. I remembered that I actually have a ( mildly) frilly apron that I'd made years ago. He was working outside today, sorting through buckets of bolts and bent nails. I dug out the apron and put it on, along with the required rubber muck boots! Took him a cup of tea with homemade cheese on celery sticks. Gave him a laugh :)

Anyway, here's the pattern for the apron :) :


Awesome post.......love the video about farmers cheese!!!
 

Grock

Veteran Member
"We Can't Give Our Product Away" - Farmers Toss Thousands Of Acres Of Fruits, Veggies As Sales Plummet

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 04/09/2020 - 21:00

As some misguided liberals complain about fruits "left rotting on the trees" because Trump's immigration crackdown has left no undocumented migrants to pick the vegetables (a demonstrably false assumption), the Associated Press has offered an explanation for this phenomenon that also illustrates how disruptions in the businesses like the hospitality and food-service industry work their way through the supply chain, ultimately sticking farmers in the American Farm Belt with fields of vegetables that they can't sell, or even donate as local food pantries are now full-up with donations from restaurants.
The AP started its story in Palmetto, Fla. a city in Manatee County on the Gulf Coast, where a farmer had dumped piles of zucchini and other fresh vegetables to rot.

As the AP reported, thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because farmers who had grown the crops to sell to restaurants or other hospitality-industry buyers like theme parks and schools have been left on the hook for the crops.

As the economy shuts down across the country, injecting what the Fed described as massive levels of uncertainty, farmers in the state are now begging Ag Secretary Sonny Purdue to get some of that farm bailout money. Without some kind of industry-specific bailout, these farmers might go out of business.
The problem - in a nutshell - is that these farmers have longstanding sales relationships, but suddenly, those customers have disappeared. And many other companies in the US that are still buying produce already have contracts with foreign suppliers.
It would be great if Trump could come in with agricultural tariffs that would effectively cut off foreign competition, but such a move would likely be widely panned by the establishment, who would sooner watch every small farmer commit hari-kari than see continued pullback in globalization and more limits on free trade.
“We gave 400,000 pounds of tomatoes to our local food banks,” DiMare said. “A million more pounds will have to be donated if we can get the food banks to take it."
Farmers are scrambling to sell to grocery stores, but it’s not easy. Large chains already have contracts with farmers who grow for retail — many from outside the U.S.
“We can’t even give our product away, and we’re allowing imports to come in here,” DiMare said.
He said 80 percent of the tomatoes grown in Florida are meant for now-shuttered restaurants and theme parks.
And the problem isn't unique to farmers in Florida. Other states are having similar issues. Agricultural officials said leafy greens grown in California have no buyers, and dairy farmers in states like Vermont have been hit especially hard. Dairy farmers in VT and Wisconsin told the AP they've had to dump surplus loads of milk.
An association for farmers in Florida asked the administration if their veggies could be donated to food-stamp or other federal welfare programs, but reportedly, they never heard back.
Among states that harvest in the winter, California has a lot of leafy green veggies that are about to come out of the ground.
"The tail end of the winter vegetable season in Yuma, Arizona, was devastating for farmers who rely on food service buyers," said Cory Lunde, spokesman for Western Growers, a group representing family farmers in California, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico. “And now, as the production shifts back to Salinas, California, there are many farmers who have crops in the ground that will be left unharvested,” particularly leafy greens.
He said a spike in demand for produce at the beginning of the outbreak has now subsided.
"People are staying home and not visiting the grocery stores as often," Lunde said. "So the dominoes are continuing to fall."
Some farmers have experimented with selling crops directly to customers, with one Florida farmer in Palmetto selling boxes of roma tomatoes for just $5 a box, an amazing bargain in a time of tremendous need. But the sales are well short of what he needs and likely won't do more than put a dent in his losses. But at least it's something.
"This is a catastrophe," said tomato grower Tony DiMare, who owns farms in south Florida and the Tampa Bay area. "We haven’t even started to calculate it. It’s going to be in the millions of dollars. Losses mount every day."
Florida leads the US in harvesting tomatoes, green beans and cabbage. Can you imagine what life would be like if tomatoes and tomato sauce prices soared because all of these medium-sized and small farmers around the country have gone out of business? Or if you walked into the grocery store a year from now and there simply weren't any tomatoes.
It could happen much more easily than you might believe - that is, if not enough is done.

 

changed

Preferred pronouns: dude/bro
One of my landowners was supposed to be planting corn today on a field I hunt.

I stopped by to see if he actually was.

Last year, the pigs killed him when he planted...rooted up a bunch of the field.

The seed corn he was using cost $330 per 50lb bag. :shkr:

GMO (BT corn) I assume?
 

goosebeans

Veteran Member
Awesome post.......love the video about farmers cheese!!!

Glad you liked it. I'm amazed that mine actually came out. I had less than a gallon of milk and a wonky meat thermometer! Kind of had to fudge the whole process, but it worked. It goes lovely with apple and tomato chutney! Last year the tomatoes and peppers just didn't quit, we were still picking them in late October! Every day I was cooking up big pots of chutney.

Another 26 birds hatched over night!

Tonight's supper, we had braised quail in white wine with mushrooms, onions and carrots, Other mixed veg and mashed potatoes and some left over venison tenderloin in gravy. Apocalypse food gets so blah and tiresome! :)
 
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Kathy in FL

Administrator
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"We Can't Give Our Product Away" - Farmers Toss Thousands Of Acres Of Fruits, Veggies As Sales Plummet

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 04/09/2020 - 21:00

As some misguided liberals complain about fruits "left rotting on the trees" because Trump's immigration crackdown has left no undocumented migrants to pick the vegetables (a demonstrably false assumption), the Associated Press has offered an explanation for this phenomenon that also illustrates how disruptions in the businesses like the hospitality and food-service industry work their way through the supply chain, ultimately sticking farmers in the American Farm Belt with fields of vegetables that they can't sell, or even donate as local food pantries are now full-up with donations from restaurants.
The AP started its story in Palmetto, Fla. a city in Manatee County on the Gulf Coast, where a farmer had dumped piles of zucchini and other fresh vegetables to rot.

As the AP reported, thousands of acres of fruits and vegetables grown in Florida are being plowed over or left to rot because farmers who had grown the crops to sell to restaurants or other hospitality-industry buyers like theme parks and schools have been left on the hook for the crops.

As the economy shuts down across the country, injecting what the Fed described as massive levels of uncertainty, farmers in the state are now begging Ag Secretary Sonny Purdue to get some of that farm bailout money. Without some kind of industry-specific bailout, these farmers might go out of business.
The problem - in a nutshell - is that these farmers have longstanding sales relationships, but suddenly, those customers have disappeared. And many other companies in the US that are still buying produce already have contracts with foreign suppliers.
It would be great if Trump could come in with agricultural tariffs that would effectively cut off foreign competition, but such a move would likely be widely panned by the establishment, who would sooner watch every small farmer commit hari-kari than see continued pullback in globalization and more limits on free trade.

And the problem isn't unique to farmers in Florida. Other states are having similar issues. Agricultural officials said leafy greens grown in California have no buyers, and dairy farmers in states like Vermont have been hit especially hard. Dairy farmers in VT and Wisconsin told the AP they've had to dump surplus loads of milk.
An association for farmers in Florida asked the administration if their veggies could be donated to food-stamp or other federal welfare programs, but reportedly, they never heard back.
Among states that harvest in the winter, California has a lot of leafy green veggies that are about to come out of the ground.

Some farmers have experimented with selling crops directly to customers, with one Florida farmer in Palmetto selling boxes of roma tomatoes for just $5 a box, an amazing bargain in a time of tremendous need. But the sales are well short of what he needs and likely won't do more than put a dent in his losses. But at least it's something.

Florida leads the US in harvesting tomatoes, green beans and cabbage. Can you imagine what life would be like if tomatoes and tomato sauce prices soared because all of these medium-sized and small farmers around the country have gone out of business? Or if you walked into the grocery store a year from now and there simply weren't any tomatoes.
It could happen much more easily than you might believe - that is, if not enough is done.


I wish those farmers here in FL would open up to Upick. Most of them shut down those operations over the last ten years. We've had a painfully dry spring. March was the driest on record … ever. It means that the strawberry fields are already giving up the ghost when they normally produce to almost the beginning of May. I grew up going Upick-ing with Mom. Did it when I was first married until I got pregnant with our last and time became more valuable. Strawberries and tomatoes mostly though we'd get a bushel of corn here, a case of green beans there. Now I go to the farmers markets at the flea markets and Momma and I still can and do some freezing here and there but I also just buy frozen and use my dehydrator too.
 

Babs

Veteran Member
Cold house doesn't stop my bread making. I heat the Cabin with electric oil heaters (look like radiators) you can touch without burning your hand. I sit the bread bowl on top and cover with a damp towel and wait for the magic. You can also sit a bowl of dough on the warm part of your fridge or freezer top. It doesn't take much heat. Enjoy!

You can also place the dough in a cold oven with a pot of hot water to create a warm moist environment.
 

Grock

Veteran Member
GOP REP. MASSIE WARNS USA WEEKS AWAY FROM FOOD SHORTAGES
‘You have people running the government that have no clue about how the economy works and how their food gets to the table’

 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
When Walmart runs out of food what will YOU do?

set tanglefoot
deploy barrier alarms
deploy boobies

recheck range cards and windicators
 

Grock

Veteran Member
Food supply worries grow after outbreak closes Smithfield meat plant
By Alex Gangitano - 04/14/20 06:00 AM EDT

Pork processor Smithfield Foods' decision to shut down a major U.S. plant after a coronavirus outbreak among workers is putting a spotlight on the food supply chain during the pandemic.
Consumer and worker safety groups say the Smithfield incident highlights that more must be done to ensure the welfare of those working in the industry as well as those buying food. And there are worries that if more plants close, American consumers could be hit by shortages.
Some industry groups say the Trump administration must provide more protections for essential workers, a category that includes food suppliers.
“In order for our industry to continue manufacturing, we must have access to the personal protective equipment (PPE) necessary for our employees to do their jobs — or there is potential that facilities will be shut down,” Betsy Booren, senior vice president of regulatory and technical affairs at the Consumer Brands Association (CBA), the industry trade group for grocery store products, told The Hill. "The federal government must make PPE available for our industry so that major supply chain disruptions can be avoided."
Smithfield said on Sunday that it would close its Sioux Falls, S.D., pork processing facility "until further notice," a decision that could have ripple effects throughout the industry. Smithfield is the world’s biggest pork processor, and the closed plant accounts for up to 5 percent of U.S. pork production. The company's CEO has warned of potential meat shortages.
Other meat processors like Tysons Food, Cargill and JBS have also closed some plants, and more facilities could shutter if workers are found sick.
The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has said that the country's food supply is not a source of transmission for the coronavirus, but the closures are likely to rekindle questions about food safety and how the virus can spread.
"Currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19," the agency said on its website in a statement posted on March 17.
"Foodborne exposure to this virus is not known to be a route of transmission," the FDA added. "The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person."
Donald W. Schaffner, a professor of food microbiology at Rutgers University who is looking for evidence of food-borne coronavirus transmission, said he agreed with the agency.
“That’s true. We do know how it is transmitted, it's transmitted person to person by people who are symptomatic,” he told The Hill, with some evidence of asymptomatic transmission.
“I’m more worried about keeping those workers healthy and safe because we need them. It’s not that I’m worried about getting COVID-19 from food that I buy at the grocery store or Smithfield hams," Schaffner added. “The biggest risk about buying a Smithfield ham is going to the grocery store and getting that ham."
Still, many experts say the focus should be on getting workers protective equipment to prevent more closures and to ensure supply-chain safety.
Food suppliers are considered essential workers, but without protective equipment and safety precautions, experts say it is inevitable they will contract the coronavirus. More than half of South Dakota’s coronavirus cases are from the 238 Smithfield employees, according to Gov. Kristi Noem (R).
“You are asked to wear a mask and social distance when you’re outside of the workplace. But when you’re in the workplace, the employers can require you to work shoulder to shoulder with other workers, pile into break rooms,” Debbie Berkowitz, worker health and safety program director at the National Employment Law Project, told The Hill.
Berkowitz said that taking more measures to protect workers could have prevented the closures.
"This is so shortsighted and really unfathomable," she said. "This isn’t rocket science. Now workers are sick. Its spreading like wildfire through the plants and into the communities and they have to shut the plants down.”
Noem called the situation at the state’s Smithfield plant “a challenging one.”
The company is taking steps to help its workers. Smithfield has said it would compensate the South Dakota plant’s 3,700 employees for two weeks.
Some advocacy groups are pointing the finger at the Trump administration.
“Workers supporting America’s food supply are essential, yet the Trump Administration refuses to give them the support and protection they need during this crisis,” said Derek Martin, director of Allied Progress, a progressive group.
"If President Trump wants to keep our food supply safe, he should order his Labor Department to mandate that essential companies provide PPE and support social distancing," he added. "This will help keep plants from closing and give some of the hardest working Americans the protection they need."
Vice President Pence on Friday addressed the closure of the 3,000-employee JBS plant in Colorado after an outbreak, saying the administration is working to ensure testing for the employees.
“I want to encourage people in Colorado that ... we will work to support that effort, but I also want to emphasize that all the people that are working in food supply — from farmers, to meatpackers, to distributors, to truckers, to grocers — continue to have our gratitude, as President Trump said just a few moments ago,” Pence said at a briefing.
There are also concerns about American consumers seeing empty shelves at the grocery store.
Food suppliers and producers have been hit hard, like other businesses, during the pandemic.
The National Pork Producers Council (NPPC) said the pork industry has already been “decimated” due to plant shutdowns, restaurant closures, a labor shortage made worse by the pandemic and hog farmers going out of business as hog values plummet.
The NPPC is seeking immediate and massive Agriculture Department purchases of pork products and payments to producers. Those measures were included in the $2 trillion coronavirus relief package, and the group is pushing the administration to speed up implementing those measures.
Smithfield is already warning about the impact to the food supply from the South Dakota plant closing.
“It is impossible to keep our grocery stores stocked if our plants are not running,” Smithfield CEO Ken Sullivan said in the statement on Sunday. “These facility closures will also have severe, perhaps disastrous, repercussions for many in the supply chain, first and foremost our nation’s livestock farmers.”
Lawmakers have also highlighted worries about the supply chain.
"The people throttling our economy have no idea how brittle the food supply chain is ... and they have broken it," tweeted conservative Rep. Thomas Massie (R-Ky.) in response to the Smithfield news. He touted a bill to allow states to regulate livestock slaughter and sales alongside the Agriculture Department to better address supply concerns.
The CBA and other industry groups have launched #FeedingUS, a campaign to create safety guidelines and highlight their work to keep the food supply chain running. It includes information about screening food industry employees for coronavirus, the use of social distancing and face masks at facilities and protocols for when employees test positive.
Berkowitz, from the NELP, said she was glad plants with infected workers have been shut down and that they shouldn’t be allowed to open again without protections in place.
“This is unprecedented," she said. "The federal government has failed to protect workers and because of that, workers are dying and getting sick in meat packing, supermarkets, and the other industries that are open."

 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
AMEN

... and during the "fat" years, can and dehydrate every bit of excess for the "lean" years.
I have been trying to get the wife to understand this better. She loves her SALSA. She makes it herself and it goes on everything if she could do it.

The problem is that we don't produce enough to allow her to do that. I did the math one day for her and it finally sunk in.

The result? I was told to double the product space for her hot peppers..... sometimes you can't win. lol
 

Matt

Veteran Member
Walmart will break first because they run the tightest JIT system. The other vendors aren't far behind them, they just have more fat in the distribution system. Up until now Walmart has been a best practise case study for business students.

I used to live in cattle and sheep ranching country in Colorado. Ranchers were having rustlers pull up onto the BLM and load entire stock trailers in times of plenty. Wetbacks would kill and chop animals up with a chain saw, wasting most of the animal.

I also wouldn't put too much effort into this year's garden. Desperate hungry people will kill you for a tomato. I would wait at least a year to grow much of anything. Let the hunger and disease do most of the heavy lifting for you. We need to focus on staying low, healthy, and uninjured.

Navy SEALS and Green berets have been killed by people who shit In their hands with unaimed shots from unzeroed rifles, best not count on yer bench rest shooting skills too soon into this game. Best victory is the battle you never have to fight.

The America of old is gone forever.....we really aren't much different than Venezuela, Argentina, Brazil, etc. Except maybe for the racial and political divides that will explode on empty bellies.
 
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Double_A

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When Walmart runs out of food what will YOU do?
The supply chain is broken. Farmers aren't getting paid enough to continue to produce.
There is limited stock in most major distribution centers, and nothing coming in...
Its just a matter of time.

What are your plans?

Same as they've always been. We are preppers
 
You can also place the dough in a cold oven with a pot of hot water to create a warm moist environment.
When we built our new kitchen we got a double oven, microwave over convection. Wife wanted a warming drawer, but we discovered they were almost as expensive as an oven. We now have a single oven under the gas range (which I blew up a while back, remember that?) along with the double oven. Both ovens will bake, broil, bread proof, convect bake, convect broil, and convect roast. Happy.
 

Quiet Man

Nothing unreal exists
Farmers aren't getting paid enough to continue to produce.
I was half expecting that the gov't would step-in and support farmers to avoid national revolt/catastrophe if the food-distribution system continues to collapse, but I don't know the reality of the farmer-gov't relationship, or how bad it will have to get before this happens.

The number of food products on Amazon has fallen dramatically in the last 2 weeks, and prices and delivery delays are also going up. Same at Sams and Walmart.
None can sell what they grow for what it costs them to grow it.
Including me.
I can't help but think that food is about to become one of the most valuable/expensive items that people NEED. The irony and bad timing...
Grin and open another jar of home canned meat or veggies. Or raid the stash of dry for same.
I've stored quite a bit and will do this.
I received a large seed order from Johnny’s Select a week ago.
Thank god!
I placed an order with Johnnys 2 weeks ago and I am still waiting.
I placed an order on 3/31 and it is still in the 'Submitted' state; nothing shipped yet. This was just before they announced no new non-commercial orders. We've had a major cold snap, so it's just as well. I do hope they ship soon.
We would eat out of our storage, until it ran out.
We too.
Feeders here are selling for 90c/lb. A real nice animal may pull $1 or $1.10
Slaughter cows 25-40c a lb. on the hoof- YES that's 25 cents a lb!
So why BOTHER? Me and lots of others are wondering that.
OMG. So unfair with all the market manipulation.

I wanted to get another freezer 4 weeks ago, but I let my wife talk me out of it. I was shopping for one over this past weekend. Nothing in stock that I could find. The earliest delivery time I could find is 5/4, and I placed the order. Many deliveries are delayed til July-September and it's gotten worse in the last few days!. Can't help but wonder, with China so sidelined, if any will actually arrive. I hope to find a farmer to purchase beef, freeze a goodly number of eggs, and store the fall garden produce if it arrives.
The issue is the market for beef is manipulated like most ag commodities. Futures traders determine what we can sell for, and with the big processors closing up shop, guess what?
I've been on the receiving end of that in precious metals. That situation has started turning around lately. Perhaps food, will too, but I suspect that the gov't will do everything it can to (a) ensure that the food keeps moving, and (b) that people can afford it, at least as long as the dollar stays in the saddle. Before that, major inflation; after that -- hyperinflation.
 
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mecoastie

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Well I cant find the meat rabbits we want. The 4H kid we get the 1/2 pig from cant get us a whole pig because he cant get another piglet. My Fedco order is due tomorrow at the depot but I haven't heard a word. Johnnys is almost a month out. Neither of my hens that are normally broody have set yet. May be down to squirrels and woodchucks for meat. The good news is the local Agway got seed potatoes but they have almost no seeds.
 

Matt

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LOL, panic headlines again! There will NOT be a food shortage. Period. The economy will be open for business within a few short weeks. Dont believe the hype.
When the gazillions of recently printed dollars begin chasing the diminishing supplies...like meat from the rapidly closing slaughterhouses ....it will be fun to watch. Kinda like Venezuela, Brazil, and Argentina.

A "few short weeks" will be enough to utterly destroy quite a big chunk of our economy. 30% foreclosures is going to leave a mark.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If Wally World runs out, go to Costco. :lkick:

Meanwhile, Mrs.G and I will be in garden. I'll also be out with Mr. 870 looking for his friends.
 

Publius

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If Wally World runs out, go to Costco. :lkick:

Meanwhile, Mrs.G and I will be in garden. I'll also be out with Mr. 870 looking for his friends.


Costco requires a membership that the golden hords on food stamps are not will for fork out the money for also Costco is not setup to take food stamps.
We do have a membership with Costco.
 

vestige

Deceased
Horde, not hoard. Not hanging around the right places, apparently.
Neither to be confused with whored... example:

Young girl dumps a large sack full of coins and bills on a bank teller's window shelf.

Teller asks: "Young lady... how could you hoard all that money?"

Girl responds: "It was easy. My sister whored half of it."
 

lonestar09

Veteran Member
Costco requires a membership that the golden hords on food stamps are not will for fork out the money for also Costco is not setup to take food stamps.
We do have a membership with Costco.
Costco does take ebt as shown on their payment options. In Texas that would be a lonestar card. And I have seen people pay with a lonestar card in Costco. Amazon also has discounted prime program for EBT people.
 

hiwall

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"If Wally World runs out, go to Costco."

For us the closest Costco or Sam's Club is 200 miles away.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Just got back from Costco.
They have signs saying everyone is limited to 3 packages of meat, be it beef, pork or poultry, just 3 packs.
I feel sorry for people who drive a long way to get to Costco, and come only once a month or so.
They really need more than 3 packages of meat to last them

Other than that, Costco seemed to have normal stocks of most things..

Florida will be starting the 1st phases of opening up all stores on Monday.
Restaurants and regular stores will open with 25% occupancy allowed, normal social distance rules, and I believe masks.
 
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