EBOLA What can Flu season tell us about Ebola contagion then, too?!?

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's been drilled into every one's head how unlike Ebola is to the Flu, but that could blindside us to not look for any similarities.

It might surprise you, even though Ebola is not airborne like flu, just how many of the seasonal influences that unleash flu every fall and winter could also enhance Ebola contagiousness then, too!

According to..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flu_season

The exact mechanism behind the seasonal nature of influenza outbreaks is unclear. Some proposed explanations are:

- People are indoors more often during the winter, they are in close contact more often, and this promotes transmission from person to person.
- A seasonal decline in the amount of ultraviolet radiation may reduce the likelihood of the virus being damaged or killed by direct radiation damage or indirect effects (i. e. ozone concentration) increasing the probability of infection.
- Cold temperatures lead to drier air, which may dehydrate mucous membranes, preventing the body from effectively defending against respiratory virus infections.[6][7][8]
- The virus may linger longer on exposed surfaces (doorknobs, countertops, etc.) in colder temperatures.
- In nations where children do not go to school in the summer, there is a more pronounced beginning to flu season, coinciding with the start of public school. It is thought that the creche environment is perfect for the spread of illness.
- Vitamin D production from Ultraviolet-B in the skin changes with the seasons and affects the immune system.[9][10][11]
- Research in guinea pigs has shown that the aerosol transmission of the virus is enhanced when the air is cold and dry.[6]


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/05/health/research/05flu.html?_r=0 says...

- The virus was transmitted best at a low humidity, 20 percent, and not transmitted at all when the humidity reached 80 percent.
- Flu viruses are more stable in cold air, and low humidity also helps the virus particles remain in the air. That is because the viruses float in the air in little respiratory droplets, Dr. Palese said. When the air is humid, those droplets pick up water, grow larger and fall to the ground.


Seems to me, even though Ebola is not supposed to be airborne, every one of those same mechanisms above should make Ebola much more contagious then, too.

Especially as we already know Ebola in the lab when subjected to cooler temperatures, stays viable much longer on surfaces then, weeks longer, in fact. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20553340

And, we know that Ebola aerosol transmission is well documented. http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-pers...ers-need-optimal-respiratory-protection-ebola

We've never seen Ebola, that I'm aware of, infection contagion rates in an environment outside of African heat and humidity.

It's possible that whatever contagion risk level Ebola is today, while warmer, for surface, aerosol or airborne ability to infect others, come this fall and winter colder weather, it could become a whole different ballgame! Surface and aerosol infection risks will most certainly go up and, who knows, but it might just be the right environment then for limited airborne transmission, too.

- Shane
 

shane

Has No Life - Lives on TB
self bump

While all talk about the coming confusion sorting out flu from ebola cases,
still have not heard any talk about the above, how for all the same reasons
flu comes out bigger in colder weather, so too could ebola in a very big way.

- Shane
 

Leigh19717

Senior Member
Glad you bumped as I missed it when you posted it. I very much agree with it. Makes total sense to me. However, many are seeing the lack of news coverage on Ebola of late, as a all clear, lets go into the winter not being afraid.
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
I have already seen people on Facebook parrot the hand washing myth that just soap and water will kill ebola. I know there are issues with using alcohol sanitizer with kids. You certainly wouldn't want to use bleach. What is a good alternative that will do the job?
 

amarilla

Veteran Member
Normally we don't get flu shots. Won't sign for the elderly relative, although he signs for himself and gets it since he wants it. But, I'm really on the fence this year due to Ebola. Both start the same. DH's employer is offering them at the end of the week for free, so we have to decide by tomorrow..... Wish I knew what was the right decision....

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Moggy

Veteran Member
Thanks, Shane, I'm glad that you bumped this, too, as I also missed it.

I have already seen people on Facebook parrot the hand washing myth that just soap and water will kill ebola. I know there are issues with using alcohol sanitizer with kids. You certainly wouldn't want to use bleach. What is a good alternative that will do the job?

What I am doing is adding some Thieves Essential Oil (or the individual oils that make up the blend) into a small bottle of liquid soap and mixing it thoroughly.
 

tech020

Senior Member
A hand held portable U/V lamp will kill the virus on exposed surfaces. I found some on Ebay that will operate on battery power. Just the thing to decontaminate door knobs, countertops, bathroom fixtures, etc. I believe that they can be dangerous to the eyes, but used sparingly, okay for hands. Anybody else have experience with this?
 

BH

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I have already seen people on Facebook parrot the hand washing myth that just soap and water will kill ebola. I know there are issues with using alcohol sanitizer with kids. You certainly wouldn't want to use bleach. What is a good alternative that will do the job?

I posted this on the Hand Washing thread also, but

DO NOT mix bleach with hand sanitizer - alcohol and bleach will make chloroform
 
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