WAR US/Iran war. Non news discussion.

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King Samson said:
Yeah, but when you're leading the game by a significant 30+ points, it's going to really tough to lose.
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What if the digital currency the republicans are attempting to sneak into some bill, gets passed? It wont be the petro dollar any longer will it, as its an unknown?
And depending on ones belief, our standard of living must come down for the WEFs plan to come about no?
 
WildDaisy

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I think the "geriatrics" scream it, because they have lived it, been around that particular block a few times, been to the rodeo and have the T-shirt. They didnt just read it in a text book and have some Islamic/Communist imported professor tell them what "happened".
 
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WildDaisy said:
I think the "geriatrics" scream it, because they have lived it, been around that particular block a few times, been to the rodeo and have the T-shirt. They didnt just read it in a text book and have some Islamic/Communist imported professor tell them what "happened".
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Yep - never had an Islamic/Communist imported professor. Just high school for me! :chg:
 
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King Samson said:
Here's the specifics, let me know if you think it's justified to stop Iran's terror reign after reading this list:

Iranian and Iranian-Backed Attacks Against Americans (1979-Present)​

Armed conflict between the United States and Iran did not begin in 2026, but instead has deep roots that extend back to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. For nearly five decades, the clerical regime in Tehran and its proxies have committed a range of attacks against Americans, posing a longstanding and continuing threat to U.S. national security. This memorandum, first published in June 2025 during the 12-Day War, provides select documentation of these assaults. While the list is not comprehensive, it demonstrates that Tehran has long endangered U.S. forces in the Middle East, the American homeland, and Americans residing across the globe.

November 1979-January 1981: Iranian students — with the backing of Tehran — take dozens of Americans hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.

April 1983: A suicide car bombing kills 63 people, including 17 Americans, at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. The Iran-backed terrorist group Islamic Jihad, a precursor and early branch of Hezbollah (not to be confused with Palestinian Islamic Jihad), claims responsibility.

October 1983: Operatives of the Iran-backed Hezbollah drive a truck bomb at a Marine compound in Beirut, killing 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel.

December 1983: Hezbollah operatives drive an explosives-filled dump truck through the gates of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait City. No Americans are harmed.

March 1984: Terrorists kidnap CIA station chief William Buckley in Beirut, subsequently torturing and ultimately killing him in 1985. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.

December 1984: Hezbollah terrorists hijack Kuwait Airways Flight 221 on its way from Kuwait to Pakistan and divert it to Tehran, killing two American officials from the U.S. Agency for International Development.

June 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome and kill a U.S. Navy diver.

July 1989: Hezbollah operatives kill U.S. Marine Corps Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while on a UN peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon.

April 1995: An explosives-laden van crashes into a bus near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip, killing one American and seven Israelis. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.

August 1995: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in the Ramat Eshkol neighborhood of Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers and wounding more than 100.

February 1996: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a Jerusalem bus, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans. A total of 26 people die in the attack.

March 1996: A suicide bomber blows up the Dizengoff shopping center in Tel Aviv, wounding two Americans. Twenty people die and 75 others are injured in the attack. Both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.

May 1996: Gunmen kill an American-Israeli dual citizen in the community of Beit El in the West Bank. Another U.S. citizen and three Israelis are wounded. No group claims responsibility, but Israel suspects Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

June 1996: A truck carrying 5,000 pounds of explosives blows up the Khobar Towers, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in the Saudi Arabian town of Khobar. Nineteen Americans die and some 500 people are injured. The Iran-backed Hezbollah Al Hijaz, a terrorist group in Saudi Arabia, is deemed responsible.

September 1997: Three Hamas suicide bombers blow themselves up at the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens. Four other people die and nearly 200 are wounded in the attack.

August 1998: With the assistance of Hezbollah, al-Qaeda suicide bombers almost simultaneously blow up the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people, including 12 Americans, and wounding thousands. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, al-Qaeda developed “the tactical expertise for such attacks months earlier, when some of its operatives — top military committee members and several operatives who were involved with the Kenya cell among them — were sent to Hezbollah training camps in Lebanon.”

August 2001: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem, killing a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and two other Americans. A total of 15 people die in the attack.

September 11, 2001: While the 9/11 Commission Report concludes that Iran had no foreknowledge of al-Qaeda’s attacks on the World Trade Center, the report indicates that Tehran facilitated the travel of some of the terrorists. “In sum,” the report notes, “there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers.”

January 2002: Gunmen affiliated with the Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade kill a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and wound another individual in the West Bank community of Beit Sahur.

July 2002: A bomb planted by a Hamas terrorist kills five American students at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, including an American-Israeli dual citizen and an American-French dual citizen. A total of nine people die in the attack.

June 2003: An American citizen, along with 16 other people, die when a Hamas terrorist blows himself up on a bus in Jerusalem.

October 2003: Terrorists from the Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees kill three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.

2003-2011: Iranian-backed militias kill at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to the Pentagon. Iranian training and material support for Iraqi militias during the surge greatly increased the difficulties U.S. forces faced while combating the insurgency and included some of the deadliest weapons used against American troops, such as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).

August 2003: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American. A total of 24 people die in the attack.

August 2006: Hezbollah fighters kill American citizen Michael Levin, a soldier in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), during the Second Lebanon War. He is the only American to die in the conflict.

January 2007: Twelve men affiliated with the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguise themselves as U.S. soldiers, enter the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, kill five U.S. soldiers, and wound another three. In 2019, the U.S. State Department issues a $15 million bounty for information on an IRGC Quds Force commander who planned the attack and other “assassinations of coalition forces in Iraq.”

July 2014: Hamas terrorists kill two Americans serving in the IDF during fighting between the terrorist group and Israel in Gaza as part of Operation Protective Edge.

October 2015: Hamas terrorists kill an American citizen and his wife, residents of the West Bank community of Neria, in their car in a drive-by shooting.

December 2019: Rockets fired by Kataib Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, kill an American security contractor and wound several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.

January 2020: A direct Iranian ballistic missile attack against the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq causes more than 100 U.S. troops to suffer traumatic brain injuries.

March 2020: The family of former FBI agent Robert Levinson, who disappeared in Iran in 2007, announces that he likely died in an Iranian prison at an unknown date.

September 2020: U.S. intelligence reports indicate that Iran is weighing a plot to assassinate U.S. Ambassador to South Africa Lana Marks.

February 2021: A rocket fired by an Iran-backed militia at coalition forces in the Iraqi city of Erbil wounds a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.

July 2021: Iranian-backed militias conduct at least three rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in 24 hours in Iraq and Syria, wounding two U.S. service members.

September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack kills an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.

November 2022: A captain in Iran’s IRGC orchestrates the killing of an American citizen living in Baghdad who worked at an English language institute.

March 2023: An Iranian drone kills an American contractor and wounds five service members and another contractor when it strikes a coalition base near the Syrian city of Hasakah.

October 7, 2023: Hamas kills at least 48 Americans and kidnaps at least 12 Americans in a massacre of 1,200 people in southern Israel.

December 2023: A drone attack conducted by an Iranian-backed Iraqi militia against U.S. forces in Erbil wounds three American soldiers, including one critically injured with shrapnel to the head, which placed him in a coma.

January 2024: A drone launched by Kataib Hezbollah kills three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounds more than 40 other service members.

October 2024: Iran executes German-Iranian national and U.S. permanent resident Jamshid Sharmahd on fraudulent terrorism charges.

November 2024: A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.

November 2024: The U.S. Department of Justice announces charges against an Iranian national and two American accomplices for plotting to assassinate President Trump.

March 2025: A U.S. jury convicts two agents of Iran for plotting to assassinate Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad in New York in 2022.

June 2025: At least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq are attacked with missiles or drones, likely by Iranian-backed militias.

March 2026: Six American soldiers are killed in action during U.S. operations against Iran.
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The younger generations do not care about Iranian attacks on Israel. They also need to see more than a dubious "likely connected to Iran" IRT terrorist attacks.

Just like the "the dirty Chinese and Russians are passing Iran targeting data! Never mind we did the same thing with Ukraine! How dare they!", after seeing how the CIA likes to fund "proxies" to use against our adversaries, the "Iranian proxy" hold little weight as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all.

Removing all events related shortens the list significantly, and does not sell the war.
 
WildDaisy

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TFergeson said:
The younger generations do not care about Iranian attacks on Israel. They also need to see more than a dubious "likely connected to Iran" IRT terrorist attacks.

Just like the "the dirty Chinese and Russians are passing Iran targeting data! Never mind we did the same thing with Ukraine! How dare they!", after seeing how the CIA likes to fund "proxies" to use against our adversaries, the "Iranian proxy" hold little weight as well. What's good for the goose is good for the gander after all.

Removing all events related shortens the list significantly, and does not sell the war.
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Well, the youngin's cried genocide about 70,000 dead people in over a year in Gaza that was a retaliation for their attack on Israel on October 7th. But somehow 30,000-60,000 people dead by anti aircraft ammo and snipers in Iran in a few days of unarmed protest doesnt qualify for their ire, concern and protests.

Why cry genocide after 70,000 muslims dead in Gaza in a year, but not 30,000+ "muslims" dead in a few days in Iran?

Is it because Israel did the killing on the first, but Islam did their own actual genocide on the other?
 
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King Samson said:
It's digital NOW, with global trade. They're certainly not shipping suitcases of cash around the world to pay for oil and products.
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Transactions yes,but you know exactly what im talking about and yes pallets of cash get shipped elsewhere still to this day.
 
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WildDaisy said:
Well, the youngin's cried genocide about 70,000 dead people in over a year in Gaza that was a retaliation for their attack on Israel on October 7th. But somehow 30,000-60,000 people dead by anti aircraft ammo and snipers in Iran in a few days of unarmed protest doesnt qualify for their ire, concern and protests.

Why cry genocide after 70,000 muslims dead in Gaza in a year, but not 30,000+ "muslims" dead in a few days in Iran?

Is it because Israel did the killing on the first, but Islam did their own actual genocide on the other?
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Yes.
 
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WildDaisy said:
Well, the youngin's cried genocide about 70,000 dead people in over a year in Gaza that was a retaliation for their attack on Israel on October 7th. But somehow 30,000-60,000 people dead by anti aircraft ammo and snipers in Iran in a few days of unarmed protest doesnt qualify for their ire, concern and protests.

Why cry genocide after 70,000 muslims dead in Gaza in a year, but not 30,000+ "muslims" dead in a few days in Iran?

Is it because Israel did the killing on the first, but Islam did their own actual genocide on the other?
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Some called it a genocide, others did not care about either player. None of that post has anything to do with what I posted.
 
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So it has nothing to do with "freeing Palestine", or outrage at the deaths. It simply had to do with Israel did something...anything and it was a way to push the 'Trump/Israel=bad" narrative. Iran doesnt fit that narrative because Trump and Israel are seen as coming to the rescue of a people who were crying to help. Iranians see Trump and Netanyahu as heros, even as Americans decry it (even though they aren't living the nightmare).
 
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TFergeson said:
The younger generations recognize the danger of Islam, they just disagree on how, and more importantly where, to handle it. The "we gotta fight em over there so we dont fight em over here" doesn't work when, for example, we have Muslim no go zones in Michigan and Texas.
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I was unaware of any Muslim no go zones in Texas. I know there was a planned city that is getting smacked down around Plano.
 
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doctor_fungcool said:
If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic. Remember, presently all petrol products are priced in DOLLARS. Losing reserve currency status will be catastrophic for the "every day Joe" who lives in CONUS. Our economy will suffer greatly if we lose this war, especially if petrol prices remain high.
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Yes, agreed. But if you will all harken back to my oft-repeated advice over the years to establish a personal fuel storage system, perhaps now current events will motivate some of you to do it.

I've experienced fuel shortages both here and in Africa. Throughout Africa many companies have their own, on-site fuel storage. Some of the larger ones are actually set up like filling stations. Unfortunately for apartment dwellers and those in high density neighborhoods, you almost certainly won't be able to do it on a large scale. Still, you might be able to stock a few 5 gallon cans in your garage. Perhaps you could rent a small storage unit for larger amounts.

Those in the outlying suburbs and rural areas will have a much easier time of it. One thing we do is to use condemned 150 and 250 gallon propane tanks for liquid fuel storage. I bolt them to treated wooden skids and can pull or push them with my tractor. Be sure to ground them and use non-sparking hardware on the filler neck and any nozzles you use, If the tanks need paint, paint them silver and they'll look just like normal propane tanks and no passersby will even think about stealing them. Even if they did, lifting and moving the tanks is not a light affair.Condemned propane tanks are actually pretty easy to find. Ask around at the local propane dealers and maybe slip the manager a fifty. That way you might get it delivered.

Any time you are going to work with fuel, fabrication and welding, be thoroughly grounded in safety. Start getting fire extinguishers rated for liquid fuel now. As fuel shortages kick in, so will extinguisher shortages. Even a little one gallon gas can has the potential to kill you or blow up a building. Lots of people blow themselves up every year welding on fuel tanks. Fuel safety isn't rocket science, but every bit of it is important. You can teach yourself all of it on the internet and if you're not willing to learn it, you shouldn't be fooling with any of it.

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Old Greek said:
Fully agree. History is not taught - nor is critical thinking anymore. A few hours of research on how countries die after Islam takes over ( 30% ) and people would understand. It's the new commie edumacation way.
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Can't have the underclass thinking on its own now can we? Someone somewhere dropped the ball in education. I'm always hearing about how evil McCarthy was with all the 'red scare' stuff, but looking back he seemed to have been on the mark.
 
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Jez said:
Can't have the underclass thinking on its own now can we? Someone somewhere dropped the ball in education. I'm always hearing about how evil McCarthy was with all the 'red scare' stuff, but looking back he seemed to have been on the mark.
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In his thinking he was way before his time !
 
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Southside said:
Looking like it's Party time in Iran!

Good luck to the Persian People of Iran. May you take back control of the Country.





2:55 AM

Tuesday, April 7, 2026 (GMT+3:30)
Time in Tehran, Tehran Province, Iran
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Getting the people of Iran involved in reestablishing their freedom is crucial. Just giving freedom to people seems to not work out too well. They have a tendency to not value it.
 
Southside

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Jez said:
Getting the people of Iran involved in reestablishing their freedom is crucial. Just giving freedom to people seems to not work out too well. They have a tendency to not value it.
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Spot on observation.
I do not believe that would be the case for the Persian people.
Time will tell. We can hope.
 
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King Samson said:
Outside of the Boomers, very few others, including the Millennials, remember what they did yesterday.


None of us do. But don't you think Trump has access to special information that none of us have, and this is how he makes his decisions?
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If he's being told the truth.
As I mentioned, Susie Wiles (allegedly) asked his advisers to tell him the truth.
 
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Jez said:
I was unaware of any Muslim no go zones in Texas. I know there was a planned city that is getting smacked down around Plano.
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Plano and Irving have several "enclaves" (no go zones).

'Everyone Is Muslim Here': Sharia-Style Living in Texas Isn’t Coming—It’s Already Here (Video)​

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The Islamic city was vetoed by Abbot but they're just going to build it anyway under a different name. People have no idea how bad it is getting here in the states. Which brings home my point above.
 
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WildDaisy said:
So it has nothing to do with "freeing Palestine", or outrage at the deaths. It simply had to do with Israel did something...anything and it was a way to push the 'Trump/Israel=bad" narrative. Iran doesnt fit that narrative because Trump and Israel are seen as coming to the rescue of a people who were crying to help. Iranians see Trump and Netanyahu as heros, even as Americans decry it (even though they aren't living the nightmare).
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What? No one was talking about Trump/Israel/Palestine. All I said to Samson was that the younger generation here do not care about Israel, so using Iranian attacks on Israel to justify US intervention doesnt fly with them.

Breathe.
 
King Samson

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TFergeson said:
All I said to Samson was that the younger generation here do not care about Israel, so using Iranian attacks on Israel to justify US intervention doesnt fly with them.
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Because all the younger generations care about is what pops up on their Tik Toc feeds or Facebook feeds or Instagram. If they actually got their news from other sources than those, and got their heads out of their asses, they'd care.

Just because they don't care, doesn't mean it isn't happening or need to be "fixed".
 
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Jez said:
Getting the people of Iran involved in reestablishing their freedom is crucial. Just giving freedom to people seems to not work out too well. They have a tendency to not value it.
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Hmmm. Before, during and after the 1979 revolution, a lot of Iranians left the country. I've met several over the years. In the main, these people supported the late Shah and - truth be known - probably benefited from political patronage. I don't know what the numbers were, but it seems that a lot of potential "freedom-seekers" and their extended families are simply no longer in the country.

The other hard truth that a lot of Americans miss, seeing Iran through a western prism, is that most of the people there are probably happy enough with their government and feel patriotic towards their country. I'm sure that most of the Iranians see the problems with their government, but it's like having a fat, ugly and mean sister: You can call her fat, you can call her ugly and you can call her mean...but Heaven forbid some outsider calls her those things! Those are fighting words!!!

So, most of the Iranians, just like most people in most countries, are tolerably happy with their government. After all, they are Muslims and live with a Muslim government. I also think that in the face of this war, most Iranians are feeling a surge of patriotism and a sense of renewed hatred towards the Americans and Israelis who are bombing the shit out of their neighborhoods, businesses and homes. I'm also pretty sure that every Iranian death at the hands of our bombing campaign creates yet another cluster of America-haters in the form of family, friends and loved ones.

In closing, though I'm a Trump supporter, I believe that he made a huge mistake by allowing the Israelis to rope him into helping them prosecute their war against Iran. His, and Israel's only options now are to completely obliterate Iran or leave that nation's government intact and be forced to leave, while being seen by a global audience as a loser.

How does that play out?

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Hmmm. Before, during and after the 1979 revolution, a lot of Iranians left the country. I've met several over the years. In the main, these people supported the late Shah and - truth be known - probably benefited from political patronage. I don't know what the numbers were, but it seems that a lot of potential "freedom-seekers" and their extended families are simply no longer in the country.

The other hard truth that a lot of Americans miss, seeing Iran through a western prism, is that most of the people there are probably happy enough with their government and feel patriotic towards their country. I'm sure that most of the Iranians see the problems with their government, but it's like having a fat, ugly and mean sister: You can call her fat, you can call her ugly and you can call her mean...but Heaven forbid some outsider calls her those things! Those are fighting words!!!

So, most of the Iranians, just like most people in most countries, are tolerably happy with their government. After all, they are Muslims and live with a Muslim government. I also think that in the face of this war, most Iranians are feeling a surge of patriotism and a sense of renewed hatred towards the Americans and Israelis who are bombing the shit out of their neighborhoods, businesses and homes. I'm also pretty sure that every Iranian death at the hands of our bombing campaign creates yet another cluster of America-haters in the form of family, friends and loved ones.

In closing, though I'm a Trump supporter, I believe that he made a huge mistake by allowing the Israelis to rope him into helping them prosecute their war against Iran. His, and Israel's only options now are to completely obliterate Iran or leave that nation's government intact and be forced to leave, while being seen by a global audience as a loser.

How does that play out?

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I bet a lot of us on this board feel the same as you do. (the txt I bolded above in your post)

I just feel numb all over from thinking of how we got to this point.

It started off on such a high when Trump won after going through so much.

And now at this point.

I don't drink so I can't even do that to deaden the "now" just for a little time.
 
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The increased rhetoric leads me to believe a deal has already been made.

We'll know soon enough.

When the rubber meets the road you whisper not yell and scream.

jmho

Eta: this makes me sad because it portends more years of an Iranian boogeyman and "sleeper cells".../sarc

The Persians have deserved better for half a century...
 
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King Samson said:
Because all the younger generations care about is what pops up on their Tik Toc feeds or Facebook feeds or Instagram. If they actually got their news from other sources than those, and got their heads out of their asses, they'd care.

Just because they don't care, doesn't mean it isn't happening or need to be "fixed".
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Weren't there a bunch of protests all over the country, about freeing Palestine, with flag waving, sit ins, maybe some attacks on Jewish Students, at a bunch of Universities all across the country, and won't that mean, in a general sense, that the students would be in the younger generation say 18-24 range?

And Trump sanctioned those Universities because of it?

Are short memories coming into play again?

And won't that mean that the younger generation either really do care, or are being paid by NGO's even as we see some of the Boomers in streets all across America?

Does that mean then that those protesting students in the younger generation aren't representative of the entire generation, even as CEO's moving work over seas, and elderly Boomers on the streets protesting aren't representative of all the Boomers in the country?
 
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CaryC said:
Are short memories coming into play again?
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Yep.. Like I previously said, they're the "Instant Society". only caring about today, or until they get the next text or FB notification.

CaryC said:
And won't that mean that the younger generation either really do care, or are being paid by NGO's even as we see some of the Boomers in streets all across America?

Does that mean then that those protesting students in the younger generation aren't representative of the entire generation, even as CEO's moving work over seas, and elderly Boomers on the streets protesting aren't representative of all the Boomers in the country?
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Some of the younger generation do care, but remember, like 80% of that group vote Dem, so there's that...

The older, protesting Boomers, are the broke ones, which is why they like getting those "paychecks" from the NGOs. That group votes 50% for Dems too, so there's that too...
 
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I like to believe Trump is bluffing here, in a last ditch effort to get them to negotiate. I say this, because doing so would be an act of lunacy and one of the most depraved acts any president has committed. I'm not a pro-Iran person. I'm not championing the whole Muslim-Christian alliance that was so popular on here. I'm not even someone rambling about how everything is a war crime and about international law. Blowing up the electrical grid of a nation and it's infrastructure while not having been attacked first is something unfathomable.


The civilian death toll after destroying the power grid of a nation and their bridges and infrastructure would be staggering. An act of a mad man.

He has to be bluffing. It's far too insane.
 
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