33dInd
Veteran Member
Actually
There are numerous studies and papers written about our elected officials are just that
Sociopaths
Especially at the national level
They rank right up there with CEOs
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There are numerous studies and papers written about our elected officials are just that
Sociopaths
Especially at the national level
They rank right up there with CEOs
This is the issue though. Outside of the boomers, few think Iran is a problem.
You can cite the embassy, you can cite Beirut, but what percentage of the current population was alive for those? What percentage, even of those serving, dealt with EFPs? There are also polls that discuss the additional reasons why this is, that you can find if you research.
Like it or not, agree with it or not, in total, this justification falls flat.
Old Greek
Veteran Member
But, polls will not stop a nuke!! Action stops a nuke! We may lose the house and the senate, but if Trump stopped a nuke it will have been worth it. The brain washed dumb voters will need to live with what they do. New Yorkers are flipping out about muzzie Mamdani's lies. It is funny to watch. ( meaning New York )
WildDaisy
God has a plan, Trust it!
Do they not think it is a problem because the Billionaire Communist and Socialist have been funding Universities and professors in the US that have been teaching them for the last 25 years to think so? Those under 40 have never been taught geo politics of the world on purpose or taught to think differently than what actually happened because it is the view of the Islamist and CCP professor.
And to answer your question, 64.6% of the US population was alive for Beirut.
They dont back it because they dont understand our own history. If it doesnt effect Americans immediate and visibly they dont understand it until it does, and usually, by then it is too late. Who cares about what happens in Iran, half a world away....until the nuke comes flying into DC or NYC? Too late then.
They protest ICE and allow Islamists to freely immigrate (usually illegally) into the US where they populate fast and take over cities - then the local government, then federal. Before you know it, we are the UK - free speech is gone, and so is our Constitution and in its place is Sharia law. Too late then, too.
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Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
But they have been within weeks of having a nuke for 30 years.
Are they REALLY that close.
Especially a couple of months after we set them back 10 years.
Or, is this the same as Colin Powell's Iraqi weapons of mass destruction lie?
I really don't know.
Do you?
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Actually no, I do not. I just trust Trump, based on his history. He said it was necessary and I agree.
Iran has been evil forever. Again, my opinion, based on its history.
Indeed BDC. I can get a video compilation of Netanyahu saying Iran is "weeks" away from a nuclear weapon......going back to the 1990's. The NUKE!!!!!!! justification doesn't hold water either.
Old Greek
Veteran Member
We will need to just disagree on this. I believe it does.
library lady
Veteran Member
If you have polling information to back up your statements, why not post it? This is an opinion thread, but it doesn't have to be an evidence-free thread, I hope.
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Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Moved from the other thread.
library lady
Veteran Member
If I remember correctly, someone shared a post of Hinkle's on the original Iran war thread
For those who've never heard of Hinkle:
For those who've never heard of Hinkle:
- Jackson Hinkle, a prominent American communist influencer and American Communist Party figure with over 3.8 million followers, is frequently accused of spreading pro-Russia, pro-China, and pro-Iran messaging while criticizing US and Israeli policies.
- Recent online discussions reference Hinkle operating from Moscow, with claims Russia is shielding him from potential US federal investigations into his foreign affiliations and propaganda activities.
- The post by @0hour1 uses mocking laughter to highlight reports of Hinkle facing scrutiny and hiding, reflecting ongoing partisan online schadenfreude over his controversial stances and legal rumors.
Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
Another moved from the other thread.
The rest of this is behind a paywall but there's enough here to make me go hmmm.
So suppose Iran says to Trump: “As of today, guess what? The Strait of Hormuz is open for business. Any tanker can pass through, as long as the oil transaction isn’t conducted in American dollars. Nations are lining up to make deals with us. We’re happy with the Euro, the Yuan, crypto—we love crypto—anything but the dollar. Say goodbye to the petrodollar. And the American Empire based on it.”
Trump blusters: “Are you kidding? You do that and I’ll bomb you all back to the stone age.”
Iran: “Really? And make us shut down the Strait again? I don’t think so. You’ll have 50 nations hating the US, you’ll be a pariah. Plus we’ll attack every ally and friend of yours in the Middle East with no mercy.”
Suppose then Iran opens the Strait on those new terms and everybody in the world is happy, except the US and Israel:...
The rest of this is behind a paywall but there's enough here to make me go hmmm.
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The Iran War nightmare scenario Trump is facing
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| See my previous post here on Iran’s money trick and their attack on the petrodollar. It’s vital. |
Trump blusters: “Are you kidding? You do that and I’ll bomb you all back to the stone age.”
Iran: “Really? And make us shut down the Strait again? I don’t think so. You’ll have 50 nations hating the US, you’ll be a pariah. Plus we’ll attack every ally and friend of yours in the Middle East with no mercy.”
Suppose then Iran opens the Strait on those new terms and everybody in the world is happy, except the US and Israel:...
auxman
Deus vult...
LHGrey:
Even if those Iranian bastards shove their own civilians into the power plants like sacrificial lambs on the altar of their death cult, we bomb the ****ing things anyway.
Full throttle.
No hesitation, no half-measures, no mercy for the mullahs’ grotesque theater of human shields.
A parasitic theocracy that has weaponized its own population for decades, engineering civilian casualties as a psychological cudgel against Western conscience.
They’ve studied us...our empathy, our media cycles, our virtue-signaling elites...and turned it into a strategic asset.
It’s not incompetence; it’s calculated sociopathy.
By stationing “innocent” bodies in critical infrastructure, they force us into a false binary:
strike and be painted as monsters, or stand down and let their nuclear ambitions, their Strait of Hormuz chokehold, and their proxy slaughter machine grind on unchecked.
Militarily, this changes nothing.
Precision-guided munitions and standoff weapons from the U.S. and Israeli arsenal can still achieve kinetic dominance...degrading electrical generation capacity, collapsing command-and-control nodes, and fracturing the regime’s ability to project power.
Collateral damage is tragic, but it is not the moral failing here; the moral failing is the regime’s deliberate inversion of just-war principles, using non-combatants as force multipliers in an asymmetric war they started.
History is littered with precedents:
from Hitler’s flak towers in civilian districts to Saddam’s human shields in 1991 and 2003. Empires that flinch at this calculus don’t survive; they get carved up by predators who understand that deterrence demands demonstrated lethality.
Geopolitically, hesitation now is suicide later.
Iran’s regime is a cancer metastasizing across the region...arming Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, and every other jihadist franchise while racing toward breakout nuclear capacity.
Trump’s warnings weren’t bluster; they were the only language these fanatics respect.
Strike the plants, and you don’t just black out Tehran’s war machine...you shatter the myth of invulnerability that keeps the Revolutionary Guard’s boot on the Iranian people’s throat.
You expose the mullahs’ bluff for what it is:
a death cult that would rather martyr its citizens than relinquish power.
Western empathy is their oxygen.
Starve it.
Follow through with cold, surgical ferocity.
The blood of the innocent will stain the regime’s hands far more than ours...because we warned them, we drew the red line, and they chose the shield of corpses over the path of de-escalation.
**** their games.
End the regime’s ability to play them.
Bomb it flat.
The alternative is watching this pathology metastasize until the next 9/11...or worse...lands on our doorstep.
Victory. No apologies.
RT 1:00
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2041267449023037710
Even if those Iranian bastards shove their own civilians into the power plants like sacrificial lambs on the altar of their death cult, we bomb the ****ing things anyway.
Full throttle.
No hesitation, no half-measures, no mercy for the mullahs’ grotesque theater of human shields.
A parasitic theocracy that has weaponized its own population for decades, engineering civilian casualties as a psychological cudgel against Western conscience.
They’ve studied us...our empathy, our media cycles, our virtue-signaling elites...and turned it into a strategic asset.
It’s not incompetence; it’s calculated sociopathy.
By stationing “innocent” bodies in critical infrastructure, they force us into a false binary:
strike and be painted as monsters, or stand down and let their nuclear ambitions, their Strait of Hormuz chokehold, and their proxy slaughter machine grind on unchecked.
Militarily, this changes nothing.
Precision-guided munitions and standoff weapons from the U.S. and Israeli arsenal can still achieve kinetic dominance...degrading electrical generation capacity, collapsing command-and-control nodes, and fracturing the regime’s ability to project power.
Collateral damage is tragic, but it is not the moral failing here; the moral failing is the regime’s deliberate inversion of just-war principles, using non-combatants as force multipliers in an asymmetric war they started.
History is littered with precedents:
from Hitler’s flak towers in civilian districts to Saddam’s human shields in 1991 and 2003. Empires that flinch at this calculus don’t survive; they get carved up by predators who understand that deterrence demands demonstrated lethality.
Geopolitically, hesitation now is suicide later.
Iran’s regime is a cancer metastasizing across the region...arming Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas, and every other jihadist franchise while racing toward breakout nuclear capacity.
Trump’s warnings weren’t bluster; they were the only language these fanatics respect.
Strike the plants, and you don’t just black out Tehran’s war machine...you shatter the myth of invulnerability that keeps the Revolutionary Guard’s boot on the Iranian people’s throat.
You expose the mullahs’ bluff for what it is:
a death cult that would rather martyr its citizens than relinquish power.
Western empathy is their oxygen.
Starve it.
Follow through with cold, surgical ferocity.
The blood of the innocent will stain the regime’s hands far more than ours...because we warned them, we drew the red line, and they chose the shield of corpses over the path of de-escalation.
**** their games.
End the regime’s ability to play them.
Bomb it flat.
The alternative is watching this pathology metastasize until the next 9/11...or worse...lands on our doorstep.
Victory. No apologies.
RT 1:00
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2041267449023037710
library lady
Veteran Member
Clearly we have to bomb the power plants tonight. Before the "volunteers" arrive.
Iran Has Been Two Years Away From a Nuclear Bomb Since the 1980s
A brief history of incorrect predictions
www.theatlantic.com
Iran's Been Two Years Away From a Nuclear Weapon for Three Decades
A brief history of incorrect predictionsBy Micah Zenko
April 2, 2015
The April 24, 1984, edition of the British defense publication Jane’s Defence Weekly informed its readers: “Iran is engaged in the production of an atomic bomb, likely to be ready within two years, according to press reports in the Persian Gulf last week.” Subsequent warnings from U.S. and foreign sources about Iran’s imminent acquisition of a nuclear weapon have been offered over the past four decades. These false guesses are worth bearing in mind as news from the nuclear negotiations in Lausanne, Switzerland, emerges.
More technical “breakout” estimates—the time it would take Iran to compile enough highly-enriched uranium (HEU) to fuel one nuclear weapon—continue to be published, with slightly varying timelines. Setting aside logic, wisdom, and a huge range of assumptions, if you average these five estimates, Iran would require 89.8 days, or three months, if it made a hypothetical rush for one bombs-worth of HEU.
Old Greek
Veteran Member
"IF" they are truly volunteers who cares if they commit suicide!
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Very well said! ( after I just checked to make sure I am on the disagreement thread, before I hit -post reply
)Sigh. Ready to have your mind blown.
30 second Google search. First result. Ipsos poll
How young Americans view the U.S. military strikes on Iran
Five charts on how Americans view U.S. involvement in the Middle East and the emergent generation gap on U.S. foreign policy
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Phew - after almost getting excommunicated from other thread - I do fully agree about Washington, But I also do trust Trump. Just my opinion!
Jez
Veteran Member
What's funny/sad is how many of us saw Mamdani was going to be problem once he was elected and were shouted down and called Islamophobic.
Islamophobia by definition is an irrational fear, hatred, or discrimination of Islam almost an anti-muslim racism. Key word "irrational". We've watched Islam grow over the last two score years and know full well the danger it represents. There Is nothing irrational here, we've seen it. We know full well the danger it tries to hide. We know that the vitriol they spew isn't political mumbo jumbo. They are sincere when they talk about transforming the world into some sort of Caliphate.
Old Greek
Veteran Member
WE are doomed!Sigh. Ready to have your mind blown.
30 second Google search. First result. Ipsos poll
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Hope I am wrong!Border Collie Dad
Flat Earther
It was a close call for both of us.Phew - after almost getting excommunicated from other thread - I do fully agree about Washington, But I also do trust Trump. Just my opinion!
I think I trust Trump, too.
But, not sure if I trust those providing him the info.
I saw somewhere that Susie Wiles was begging his advisers to tell him the truth.
Old Greek
Veteran Member
I can only pray, and I do, that Trump is getting good solid info!
library lady
Veteran Member
After a secret meeting with his Secretary of State
View: https://twitter.com/jayroo69/status/2041243753361375260
View: https://twitter.com/jayroo69/status/2041243753361375260
WE are doomed!
The younger generations recognize the danger of Islam, they just disagree on how, and more importantly where, to handle it. The "we gotta fight em over there so we dont fight em over here" doesn't work when, for example, we have Muslim no go zones in Michigan and Texas.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Sure it does. A nuke is actually easy to make with the right scientists, machinists, and nuclear material. I would not doubt they have one or more at the moment......we may find out soon enough.
Let alone just buying one off the black market, from a rouge dictator....there's a few of those around.
The cats out of the bag. No going back.
Polls are designed for their propaganda value.....first thing to put on one's ignore list.
True, figures lie and liars figure, but like it or not you have to sell the war. Geriatrics screaming about nukes or "imminent threat" does not fulfill that goal.
Hognutz
TB Fanatic
And that’s why the midterms are toast, ….Sigh. Ready to have your mind blown.
30 second Google search. First result. Ipsos poll
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How young Americans view the U.S. military strikes on Iran
Five charts on how Americans view U.S. involvement in the Middle East and the emergent generation gap on U.S. foreign policy
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Hey, watch it about us geriatrics, although its true!
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Maybe, but a lot can happen between now and then!
Hognutz
TB Fanatic
Maybe they will actually prosecute Epstein criminals, etc, but the clock is ticking….
Old Greek
Veteran Member
Yeh, I know - hope springs eternal!
King Samson
I'm Here
Yeah, but when you're leading the game by a significant 30+ points, it's going to really tough to lose.
theruminator
Senior Member
Conducted June 21-23 2025. A mere 1139 people. Whew!!!Sigh. Ready to have your mind blown.
30 second Google search. First result. Ipsos poll
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King Samson
I'm Here
Outside of the Boomers, very few others, including the Millennials, remember what they did yesterday.
None of us do. But don't you think Trump has access to special information that none of us have, and this is how he makes his decisions?
King Samson
I'm Here
Here's the specifics, let me know if you think it's justified to stop Iran's terror reign after reading this list:
Iranian and Iranian-Backed Attacks Against Americans (1979-Present)
Armed conflict between the United States and Iran did not begin in 2026, but instead has deep roots that extend back to the 1979 Islamic Revolution. For nearly five decades, the clerical regime in Tehran and its proxies have committed a range of attacks against Americans, posing a longstanding and continuing threat to U.S. national security. This memorandum, first published in June 2025 during the 12-Day War, provides select documentation of these assaults. While the list is not comprehensive, it demonstrates that Tehran has long endangered U.S. forces in the Middle East, the American homeland, and Americans residing across the globe.November 1979-January 1981: Iranian students — with the backing of Tehran — take dozens of Americans hostage at the U.S. Embassy in Tehran.
April 1983: A suicide car bombing kills 63 people, including 17 Americans, at the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. The Iran-backed terrorist group Islamic Jihad, a precursor and early branch of Hezbollah (not to be confused with Palestinian Islamic Jihad), claims responsibility.
October 1983: Operatives of the Iran-backed Hezbollah drive a truck bomb at a Marine compound in Beirut, killing 220 U.S. Marines and 21 other service personnel.
December 1983: Hezbollah operatives drive an explosives-filled dump truck through the gates of the U.S. Embassy in Kuwait City. No Americans are harmed.
March 1984: Terrorists kidnap CIA station chief William Buckley in Beirut, subsequently torturing and ultimately killing him in 1985. Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.
December 1984: Hezbollah terrorists hijack Kuwait Airways Flight 221 on its way from Kuwait to Pakistan and divert it to Tehran, killing two American officials from the U.S. Agency for International Development.
June 1985: Hezbollah terrorists hijack TWA Flight 847 en route from Athens to Rome and kill a U.S. Navy diver.
July 1989: Hezbollah operatives kill U.S. Marine Corps Col. William Higgins after kidnapping him the previous year while on a UN peacekeeping mission in southern Lebanon.
April 1995: An explosives-laden van crashes into a bus near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip, killing one American and seven Israelis. Palestinian Islamic Jihad claims responsibility.
August 1995: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in the Ramat Eshkol neighborhood of Jerusalem, killing an American and three other passengers and wounding more than 100.
February 1996: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a Jerusalem bus, killing three Americans and wounding three other Americans. A total of 26 people die in the attack.
March 1996: A suicide bomber blows up the Dizengoff shopping center in Tel Aviv, wounding two Americans. Twenty people die and 75 others are injured in the attack. Both Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad claim responsibility.
May 1996: Gunmen kill an American-Israeli dual citizen in the community of Beit El in the West Bank. Another U.S. citizen and three Israelis are wounded. No group claims responsibility, but Israel suspects Hamas or Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
June 1996: A truck carrying 5,000 pounds of explosives blows up the Khobar Towers, a U.S. Air Force housing complex in the Saudi Arabian town of Khobar. Nineteen Americans die and some 500 people are injured. The Iran-backed Hezbollah Al Hijaz, a terrorist group in Saudi Arabia, is deemed responsible.
September 1997: Three Hamas suicide bombers blow themselves up at the Ben Yehuda shopping mall in Jerusalem, killing a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and wounding seven other American citizens. Four other people die and nearly 200 are wounded in the attack.
August 1998: With the assistance of Hezbollah, al-Qaeda suicide bombers almost simultaneously blow up the U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people, including 12 Americans, and wounding thousands. According to the 9/11 Commission Report, al-Qaeda developed “the tactical expertise for such attacks months earlier, when some of its operatives — top military committee members and several operatives who were involved with the Kenya cell among them — were sent to Hezbollah training camps in Lebanon.”
August 2001: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem, killing a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and two other Americans. A total of 15 people die in the attack.
September 11, 2001: While the 9/11 Commission Report concludes that Iran had no foreknowledge of al-Qaeda’s attacks on the World Trade Center, the report indicates that Tehran facilitated the travel of some of the terrorists. “In sum,” the report notes, “there is strong evidence that Iran facilitated the transit of al Qaeda members into and out of Afghanistan before 9/11, and that some of these were future 9/11 hijackers.”
January 2002: Gunmen affiliated with the Iran-backed al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigade kill a U.S.-Israeli dual citizen and wound another individual in the West Bank community of Beit Sahur.
July 2002: A bomb planted by a Hamas terrorist kills five American students at Jerusalem’s Hebrew University, including an American-Israeli dual citizen and an American-French dual citizen. A total of nine people die in the attack.
June 2003: An American citizen, along with 16 other people, die when a Hamas terrorist blows himself up on a bus in Jerusalem.
October 2003: Terrorists from the Iran-backed Popular Resistance Committees kill three U.S. diplomatic personnel in a bombing in Gaza.
2003-2011: Iranian-backed militias kill at least 603 U.S. troops in Iraq, according to the Pentagon. Iranian training and material support for Iraqi militias during the surge greatly increased the difficulties U.S. forces faced while combating the insurgency and included some of the deadliest weapons used against American troops, such as explosively formed penetrators (EFPs) and improvised explosive devices (IEDs).
August 2003: A Hamas suicide bomber blows up a bus in Jerusalem, killing five Americans and wounding one other American. A total of 24 people die in the attack.
August 2006: Hezbollah fighters kill American citizen Michael Levin, a soldier in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF), during the Second Lebanon War. He is the only American to die in the conflict.
January 2007: Twelve men affiliated with the Quds Force of Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) disguise themselves as U.S. soldiers, enter the Provincial Joint Coordination Center in the Iraqi city of Karbala, kill five U.S. soldiers, and wound another three. In 2019, the U.S. State Department issues a $15 million bounty for information on an IRGC Quds Force commander who planned the attack and other “assassinations of coalition forces in Iraq.”
July 2014: Hamas terrorists kill two Americans serving in the IDF during fighting between the terrorist group and Israel in Gaza as part of Operation Protective Edge.
October 2015: Hamas terrorists kill an American citizen and his wife, residents of the West Bank community of Neria, in their car in a drive-by shooting.
December 2019: Rockets fired by Kataib Hezbollah, an Iran-backed militia, kill an American security contractor and wound several U.S. service members and Iraqi personnel at the K1 military base in the Iraqi city of Kirkuk.
January 2020: A direct Iranian ballistic missile attack against the Ain al-Asad airbase in Iraq causes more than 100 U.S. troops to suffer traumatic brain injuries.
March 2020: The family of former FBI agent Robert Levinson, who disappeared in Iran in 2007, announces that he likely died in an Iranian prison at an unknown date.
September 2020: U.S. intelligence reports indicate that Iran is weighing a plot to assassinate U.S. Ambassador to South Africa Lana Marks.
February 2021: A rocket fired by an Iran-backed militia at coalition forces in the Iraqi city of Erbil wounds a U.S. service member and four U.S. civilian contractors.
July 2021: Iranian-backed militias conduct at least three rocket and drone attacks against U.S. forces in 24 hours in Iraq and Syria, wounding two U.S. service members.
September 2022: An Iranian rocket attack kills an American citizen in Iraqi Kurdistan.
November 2022: A captain in Iran’s IRGC orchestrates the killing of an American citizen living in Baghdad who worked at an English language institute.
March 2023: An Iranian drone kills an American contractor and wounds five service members and another contractor when it strikes a coalition base near the Syrian city of Hasakah.
October 7, 2023: Hamas kills at least 48 Americans and kidnaps at least 12 Americans in a massacre of 1,200 people in southern Israel.
December 2023: A drone attack conducted by an Iranian-backed Iraqi militia against U.S. forces in Erbil wounds three American soldiers, including one critically injured with shrapnel to the head, which placed him in a coma.
January 2024: A drone launched by Kataib Hezbollah kills three U.S. soldiers at a U.S. military base in Jordan and wounds more than 40 other service members.
October 2024: Iran executes German-Iranian national and U.S. permanent resident Jamshid Sharmahd on fraudulent terrorism charges.
November 2024: A report released by the Foundation for Defense of Democracies indicates that Iran and its proxies have conducted more than 180 attacks against U.S. forces in the Middle East between October 17, 2023, and November 19, 2024, resulting in more than 180 wounded and three killed U.S. service members.
November 2024: The U.S. Department of Justice announces charges against an Iranian national and two American accomplices for plotting to assassinate President Trump.
March 2025: A U.S. jury convicts two agents of Iran for plotting to assassinate Iranian-American journalist Masih Alinejad in New York in 2022.
June 2025: At least three U.S. bases in Syria and two U.S. bases in Iraq are attacked with missiles or drones, likely by Iranian-backed militias.
March 2026: Six American soldiers are killed in action during U.S. operations against Iran.
King Samson
I'm Here
by The Atlantic.. they're specialists on falsehoods..
King Samson
I'm Here
How many Gen Zers and Millennials could find Iran on a map?
Then, we all know which way that same group votes, so do we really think the results of the Ipsos poll is any surprise?