WAR US/Iran war. Non news discussion.

Millwright

Millwright

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I'm starting this thread for discussion that is causing massive drift in the big thread.

Please keep news-ish things there and bring the tangential discussions here, with a link in your post if needed.

Thread bans will be happening for people who are inconsiderate enough to drift that thread.

All that said, keep it civil here too.

If you just feel an uncontrollable urge to pee on someone's shoes, start a thread in TIO and link that.

Staff is growing weary of all the crap, our patience is about used up.

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TheSearcher

TheSearcher

Are you sure about that?
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doctor_fungcool

doctor_fungcool

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If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic. Remember, presently all petrol products are priced in DOLLARS. Losing reserve currency status will be catastrophic for the "every day Joe" who lives in CONUS. Our economy will suffer greatly if we lose this war, especially if petrol prices remain high.
 
West

West

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doctor_fungcool said:
If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic. Remember, presently all petrol products are priced in DOLLARS. Losing reserve currency status will be catastrophic for the "every day Joe" who lives in CONUS. Our economy will suffer greatly if we lose this war, especially if petrol prices remain high.
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But the believers and lovers of the fed dollar will say that the fed dollar IS the world's strongest currency. It can't fail.

32 + trillion fiat dollars is still not enough coffin nails.

IDK
 
BassMan

BassMan

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...I generally prefer the facts (other thread), but do appreciate the efforts of our fearless TB2K mods.

One consistent non-news theme on the other thread is whether it was a good idea to escalate, starting with the initial bombing of that big Friday meeting of Iranian leadership where many were killed, when this latest round got kicked-off.

While personally leaning towards the view that escalation creates more fanatics, and Iran can get nukes from a few other countries even if their own facilities are destroyed, this is all a very complex geopolitical game, and I find myself by definition ignorant of most of the pertinent data owing to my lack of inside information.
 
doctor_fungcool

doctor_fungcool

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West said:
But the believers and lovers of the fed dollar will say that the fed dollar IS the world's strongest currency. It can't fail.

32 + trillion fiat dollars is still not enough coffin nails.

IDK
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We here in CONUS have lived a good life(many of us) during the reign of KING DOLLAR. If the dollar is deposed...that's when the world's economies will get dicey...IMHO. The efficacy(success) of any civilization stems from their technological prowess, power sources and organizational achievements. Any loss of this war will change our place in the world for years to come.
 
Knoxville's Joker

Knoxville's Joker

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doctor_fungcool said:
If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic. Remember, presently all petrol products are priced in DOLLARS. Losing reserve currency status will be catastrophic for the "every day Joe" who lives in CONUS. Our economy will suffer greatly if we lose this war, especially if petrol prices remain high.
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When, not if that happens, we will have a government shutdown of all shutdowns as the feds are forced to severely retract governmental services. Think being required to have a balanced budget going forward with no exceptions.
 
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diesel85

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Knoxville's Joker said:
When, not if that happens, we will have a government shutdown of all shutdowns as the feds are forced to severely retract governmental services. Think being required to have a balanced budget going forward with no exceptions.
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I have a feeling that we are going to have a multi-government shutdown soon the way things are going. Meaning, fed, state, county and possibly local.

I've also been told by many folks who work both private business and public/government, that things are getting way too expensive for their budgets or manufacturers are saying no ETA for product or parts.

Imagine it is winter time, and your city or town can keep the roads clear because none of their snow plows work because it costs too much to fix them or parts are simply not available?
 
King Samson

King Samson

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doctor_fungcool said:
If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic.
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West said:
But the believers and lovers of the fed dollar will say that the fed dollar IS the world's strongest currency. It can't fail.
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We've been through this, multiple times, for those people cheering for a dollar collapse. The yuan is no where close, in taking over the reserve currency status for the world. So sorry, please try again.

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AlfaMan

AlfaMan

We're all Devo!
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BassMan said:
...I generally prefer the facts (other thread), but do appreciate the efforts of our fearless TB2K mods.

One consistent non-news theme on the other thread is whether it was a good idea to escalate, starting with the initial bombing of that big Friday meeting of Iranian leadership where many were killed, when this latest round got kicked-off.

While personally leaning towards the view that escalation creates more fanatics, and Iran can get nukes from a few other countries even if their own facilities are destroyed, this is all a very complex geopolitical game, and I find myself by definition ignorant of most of the pertinent data owing to my lack of inside information.
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We've gone beyond whether it was a good idea to escalate or not, sadly.

This little soiree has escalated WAY out of control, in my opinion. Dangerously so. It was supposed to be a series of precision airstrikes conducted by the US and Israel. Iran retaliated by lighting up half the countries in the middle east, for starters. That immediately took a series of airstrikes in the original plans into the realm of a regional war.

The war took out all the "regular" leadership in Iran. A good thing; but now the only leadership infrastructure left Is the IRGC-Revolutionary Guards. Talk about giving a child a loaded pistol........the IRGC makes the Nazi SS look like Boy Scouts. And they're the only semblance of nationwide command and control lett.

Add the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz to the pounding that Iran is giving their neighbors; the fact there's loose nukes in Iran and we're about to put troops on the ground in Iran to look for those nukes; there's only one thing I can conclude from the facts presented.

Please God turn this war off!
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Shipping costs are about to go through the proverbial roof, especially freight. If you need something heavy get it now. I just bought several more KW of solar panels (sets of 2, 140lbs each set) and I figured if I waiting too much longer the shipping would be as expensive as the panels.
 
EasyMoney

EasyMoney

Senior Member
Millwright said:
:fprt

I'm starting this thread for discussion that is causing massive drift in the big thread.

Please keep news-ish things there and bring the tangential discussions here, with a link in your post if needed.

Thread bans will be happening for people who are inconsiderate enough to drift that thread.

All that said, keep it civil here too.

If you just feel an uncontrollable urge to pee on someone's shoes, start a thread in TIO and link that.

Staff is growing weary of all the crap, our patience is about used up.

Thanks.
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This is just more proof that Milly drinks boxed chardonnay. Splitting threads when it doesn't go his way. Shamefull.
 
Knoxville's Joker

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
diesel85 said:
I have a feeling that we are going to have a multi-government shutdown soon the way things are going. Meaning, fed, state, county and possibly local.

I've also been told by many folks who work both private business and public/government, that things are getting way too expensive for their budgets or manufacturers are saying no ETA for product or parts.

Imagine it is winter time, and your city or town can keep the roads clear because none of their snow plows work because it costs too much to fix them or parts are simply not available?
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70s gas crisis part deux...

As far as parts the parts issue is becoming a known thing and this is where 3d printing of parts is actually becoming, slowly, a commonality especially for odd ball absurdly expensive parts...

I am having to get a few electronic pieces for some cosplay pieces and prices have been going through the roof...
 
KFhunter

KFhunter

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AlfaMan said:
We've gone beyond whether it was a good idea to escalate or not, sadly.

This little soiree has escalated WAY out of control, in my opinion. Dangerously so. It was supposed to be a series of precision airstrikes conducted by the US and Israel. Iran retaliated by lighting up half the countries in the middle east, for starters. That immediately took a series of airstrikes in the original plans into the realm of a regional war.

The war took out all the "regular" leadership in Iran. A good thing; but now the only leadership infrastructure left Is the IRGC-Revolutionary Guards. Talk about giving a child a loaded pistol........the IRGC makes the Nazi SS look like Boy Scouts. And they're the only semblance of nationwide command and control lett.

Add the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz to the pounding that Iran is giving their neighbors; the fact there's loose nukes in Iran and we're about to put troops on the ground in Iran to look for those nukes; there's only one thing I can conclude from the facts presented.

Please God turn this war off!
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In the words of Hillary

At this point what does it matter?
 
Great Northwet

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
AlfaMan said:
We've gone beyond whether it was a good idea to escalate or not, sadly.

This little soiree has escalated WAY out of control, in my opinion. Dangerously so. It was supposed to be a series of precision airstrikes conducted by the US and Israel. Iran retaliated by lighting up half the countries in the middle east, for starters. That immediately took a series of airstrikes in the original plans into the realm of a regional war.

The war took out all the "regular" leadership in Iran. A good thing; but now the only leadership infrastructure left Is the IRGC-Revolutionary Guards. Talk about giving a child a loaded pistol........the IRGC makes the Nazi SS look like Boy Scouts. And they're the only semblance of nationwide command and control lett.

Add the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz to the pounding that Iran is giving their neighbors; the fact there's loose nukes in Iran and we're about to put troops on the ground in Iran to look for those nukes; there's only one thing I can conclude from the facts presented.

Please God turn this war off!
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Add the blocking of the Strait of Hormuz to the pounding that Iran is giving their neighbors; the fact there's loose nukes in Iran and we're about to put troops on the ground in Iran to look for those nukes; there's only one thing I can conclude from the facts presented.
 
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anna43

Veteran Member
I just finished reading a book about WWII in United Kingdom and the sacrifices made by entire country. I've started reading another book about USA homefront in the lead up to WWII and the actual happenings during that time. These books have given me a perspective about prices increasing ... which is painful, but gas is still available, food is still available and so is about anything else you'd want to buy. In 1941 clothing began to be rationed in UK and that rationing did not end until 1949. Motto was make do and mend.

I do not like war. On the other hand, nightmare time would be a country whose motto is Death to America getting nuclear weapons.

We can all suppose, guess and attempt to figure out what is going to happen next, but it's unlikely we'll succeed. So, I do what I can, stay aware, continue to keep my home prepared and pray. Nothing I think or do is going to change the situation, but prayer might.
 
Buick Electra

Buick Electra

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I don't like going to the big threads on the main for this reason. Too much infighting and name calling. I'll contribute what I think are important tweets, but then I'll leave and not come back again until the next important tweet. So I'm basically a poster-runner on those threads, which is why I've made my home in the Q thread.
 
SmithJ

SmithJ

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doctor_fungcool said:
If the petrol dollar is dethrowed by the yuan,the reserve currency of the dollar will be toast. With any loss in West Asia(middle east) militarily, we would instantly experience an economic tsunami that will be historic. Remember, presently all petrol products are priced in DOLLARS. Losing reserve currency status will be catastrophic for the "every day Joe" who lives in CONUS. Our economy will suffer greatly if we lose this war, especially if petrol prices remain high.
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Dethrowed?
 
doctor_fungcool

doctor_fungcool

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King Samson said:
We've been through this, multiple times, for those people cheering for a dollar collapse. The yuan is no where close, in taking over the reserve currency status for the world. So sorry, please try again.

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SmithJ said:
Dethrowed?
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Remember, much of our wealth here in CONUS is determined by KING DOLLAR. Worldwide oil can only be purchased with dollars..not local currency.(not even PM's) The reserve status of KING DOLLAR gives us, here in CONUS, the unique ability to sanction those we dislike.

Note1: Iran is( could establish) establishing themselves a power base similar to their Russian and Chinese counterparts. So...if we fail to defend our monetary system then we will eventually become a second rate economic power(heaven forbid)

Note2:: The petrodollar backs up our stock market..treasury market....AND helps create innovations in the tech area. Without it...we become toothless. Having a reserve status VIs a Vis the petro dollar is essential for our economic survival. Remember every asset we own is effected by the status of the dollar....every asset!

Note3: This time it's different IMHO...historians will be writing about what's happening for YEARS.

Note4: Our defense of the petro dollar has been bloody....unfortunately. I have concluded long ago that survival here on earth is difficult....and it's about to get more complicated as this war drags on.
 
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