REL GENRL (United Methodist) Church ends 52-year-old anti-gay stance

Walbash

Contributing Member
Fair use cited

By Heather Hahn
May 2, 2024 | CHARLOTTE, N.C. (UM News)

Key points:
  • General Conference delegates supported a revision of the Social Principles that deletes the phrase “the practice of homosexuality… is incompatible with Christian teaching.”
  • The 1972 General Conference added the phrase to The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles, and it has been a source of conflict in the decades since.
  • The vote came after about an hour and a half of debate and an amendment to its statement on marriage.
  • The historic May 2 vote came after days of General Conference reversing restrictions on LGBTQ ministry without debate.

The United Methodist Church’s condemnation of homosexuality — which sparked a half-century of conflict — is now no more.
By a vote of 523 to 161 after about an hour and a half of debate, General Conference delegates eliminated the 52-year-old assertion in the denomination’s Social Principles that “the practice of homosexuality… is incompatible with Christian teaching.”

In the same vote, delegates affirmed “marriage as a sacred, lifelong covenant that brings two people of faith (adult man and adult woman of consenting age or two adult persons of consenting age) into a union of one another and into deeper relationship with God and the religious community.”

Randall Miller, who chaired the Social Principles Task Force that led the development of the revisions approved over the past week, said this was a historic moment.

“It's been 40 years of work for me and others to remove the incompatibility clause from our Social Principles and really live in through our belief that all people are sacred,” said Miller, who is gay and long advocated for the full inclusion of LGBTQ people in church life. “Just deeply grateful and it's wonderful to have come to this moment.”

The historic decision follows days of delegates voting on the consent calendar —without debate — to reverse multiple denominational constraints on ministry with and by LGBTQ members. It marks the beginning of what many see as a new day for The United Methodist Church after decades of rancor over the place of LGBTQ people in the church.

More about Social Principles​

The revised Social Principles adopted May 2 replace Paragraphs 161 and 162 in the Discipline, which deal with the church’s stances on the “Social Community.”

“As United Methodists, we affirm that human beings are made for God and for one another (Genesis 1:26-27, 31; Philippians 2:3-8),” the preface says. “We live out our lives, grow in the faith, and engage in acts of discipleship and witness in the context of a variety of interconnected communities, including families, schools, neighborhoods, workplaces, and the broader society.”

Also these Social Principles contain the church’s stance on child marriage, polygamy, divorce, substance abuse, death with dignity, abortion and other topics related to family life.

This section of the Social Principles also acknowledges “that the tangled and complex legacies of colonialism and neocolonialism hang heavily over the global fellowship of United Methodists.”

The section goes on to “call on individuals and congregations to educate themselves about the troubling legacies of colonialism and, where appropriate, to seek repentance for our continued involvement.”

To read the Revised Social Principles

On May 1, in another momentous change, delegates voted by consent calendar to remove the denomination’s ban on the ordination of clergy who are “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” — a prohibition that dates to 1984.

Legislation makes it onto the consent calendar if it received overwhelming support from its legislative committee and has no impact on the denomination’s budget or constitution.

But the vote on this revision of the Social Principles came with debate, and an amendment that delegates adopted from Molly Hlekani Mwayera, delegate from the Zimbabwe East Conference and newly elected member of the denomination’s Judicial Council.

She added the amendment for “a double-barrel” definition of marriage that includes both a man and a woman, in line with law in much of the world including her home country, and two adults, in line with law in other parts of the world including the U.S.
The amendment also weaves in three other parts of the newly adopted Social Principles — the rejection of child marriage, the stance against polygamy and support for consent in sexual relationships
.
“We are called to do no harm, do good and stay in love with God,” said Mwayera, echoing Bishop Reuben Job’s summary of John Wesley’s General Rules. “The failure to effectively define the issue of marriage is discriminatory and counter to our Wesleyan tradition.”

She added that United Methodists should be able to have a definition that meets the needs of their context.

But for a number of delegates, a different definition of marriage beyond just man and woman was a major sticking point.
Nimia Peralta, a delegate from the Northwest Philippines Conference, said she must hold with Jesus’ words in Matthew 19 that “a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

“God defined marriage to be between a man and a woman,” she said. “While we celebrate worldwide regionalization, I truly believe the definition of marriage can never be regionalized.”

The Rev. Jørgen Thaarup, a delegate from Denmark, spoke specifically to the amendment. He noted that John Wesley used two different ceremonies for marriage: One for couples who expected to have children, and one for couples who didn’t expect to have children.

“So the thinking that marriage is not just one thing but things, we have from John Wesley,” he said.
Thaarup also stressed that in Matthew 19, Jesus was addressing a question about divorce, and the Greek word in the passage that is often translated as “man,” could just as easily be translated as human being.

Molly Hlekani Mwayera, a lay delegate from the Zimbabwe East Conference, proposes an amendment to a revision of the Social Principles dealing with marriage during the May 2 afternoon plenary session of the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, N.C. Photo by Paul Jeffrey, UM News.

With the vote, delegates have adopted the entire slate of revised Social Principles submitted by the United Methodist Board of Church and Society, the denomination’s social witness agency.

The Social Principles represent the denomination’s public stands on issues of the day and are not church law.
But for many General Conference delegates and observers, the May 2 change to the Social Principles was particularly hard won.

In 1972, delegates were considering a fresh set of Social Principles for their newly formed United Methodist Church — which had just come together in 1968 as a merger between the Methodist and the Evangelical United Brethren churches.

That’s when the 1972 delegates voted to add the words: “We do not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider it incompatible with Christian teaching.” The new statement came after the phrase “persons of homosexual orientation are persons of sacred worth.”

The 1972 General Conference also adopted the statement: “We do not recommend marriage between two persons of the same sex.”

Before that, the Book of Discipline — the denomination’s policy book — said nothing one way or the other about homosexuality.

Since 1972, the denomination’s stance on homosexuality became a recurring subject of debate and protest at each General Conference. The legislative body increased restrictions changing what was initially a statement of social witness into a matter of church law.

Those added restrictions included banning clergy from officiating at same-sex weddings and banning clergy who are, in the words of the Discipline, “self-avowed practicing homosexuals.” Clergy found guilty of these church-law violations could face loss of credentials or lesser penalties.

The debate culminated with the 2019 special General Conference, which by a vote of 438-384 passed the Traditional Plan that aimed to strengthen those restrictions. In a separate vote, delegates approved a disaffiliation provision, which about a quarter of U.S. churches used to leave the denomination. Most of the departures ended up being theologically conservative churches that supported the bans.

At this year’s General Conference, delegates have been rolling back these restrictions.

The revised Social Principles passed May 2 replace Paragraphs 161 and 162 in the Discipline. Those paragraphs deal with the church’s stances on the “Social Community.”

Before the May 2 vote, General Conference had already adopted most of the revised Social Principles on the consent calendar.

A slate of revised Social Principles came after an international, multiyear process authorized by the 2012 General Conference to develop a “more globally relevant, theologically founded and succinct” version.

Church and Society carried out that effort with a writing team of 52 United Methodists from Africa, Europe, the Philippines and the U.S., who drafted the proposed revised Social Principles. That draft then received input from more than 4,000 United Methodists worldwide before the final submission.

John Hill, Church and Society’s interim top executive, said days before the May 2 vote that his agency’s hope is that the language in all the revised Social Principles will resource and equip ministry in as many settings around the world as possible.
“Around the issues of human sexuality and marriage, we have a church whose local contexts are dramatically different,” Hill said. “So our hope was to have statements that could speak theologically to these matters, but not to any specific context. Instead, they could be applied across contexts.”
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
The local church has an on going war with the central church and the people have made it known they will not cave in to the gay agenda nor will they give up the church as the locals paid for all of it everything including the land many decades ago the Methodist central church has nothing in it but the Methodist name posted out front on the lawn.
I have seen the inside this church and they have added on to it a lot they are even setup to house & feed during a major weather event theyeven installed a large propane powered generator.
So yeah the people here have put some serious money into the place.
 
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Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The church I grew up in disenfranchised from the United Methodist Church and affiliated with the Global Methodist Church, which holds a more traditional and fundamentalist position on the Scriptures (even though we belong to a Baptist church now)
We disaffiliated too. We became Global Methodist…
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
As I see it Missouri Synod has kept the faithful teaching and preaching of scripture 501c or not.
Most here protesting ACTUALLY don't want any church, or anyone telling them what to do, or expecting them to contribute more than $2 on Sunday.
They want Jesus as their Savior. but not their Lord.
They want to sleep in on Sunday and worship God's creation (nature) instead of God himself.
Most can't stand "church people" or anyone who
talks about the Bible or Jesus "too much".
God KNOWS their heart and real reasons.
God himself established ORGANIZED RELIGION!
He is above all, a God or order, totally against everyone
"Doing what is right in his own eyes!"
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
All you Bible believing Christians can still come to the MISSOURI SYNOD Lutheran Churches where real Christian
Doctrine is still faithfully kept.
There's also Cumberland Presbyterians--if they still hold true to what they did when I knew of one in the 1970's....
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
The local church has an on going war with the central church and the people have made it known they will not cave in to the gay agenda nor will they give up the church as the locals paid for all of it everything including the land many decades ago the Methodist central church has nothing in it but the Methodist name posted out front on the lawn.
I have seen the inside this church and they have added on to it a lot they are even setup to house & feed during a major weather event theyeven installed a large propane powered generator.
So yeah the people here have put some serious money into the place.
I ran this spot Monday on local radio. AM 1400, spots show between nine and ten am. It kinda pertains to your post


Mark Thompson, marketing the truth.

Imagine a few of us met for a home Bible study, that grew exponentially, soon ten family’s were showing up. We decided and committed to buying the vacant building down town.

It continues to grow quickly, and then we had one hundred folks, then two hundred….the new folks volunteered, church secretary, lawn mowing, doing all the things we do to keep the church going strong.

Then a few years later at the annual business meeting new business came up and a person stood up and stated, he’d like us to worship Satan. Then, unexpectedly a large number of new comers stood up and said take a vote.

Here in lays a quandry. This church was founded on Christ, and it is in the bylaws. We are a Christ worshipping church, and to worship Satan is insane. But they had the slight majority, as not that many normally show for a church business meeting. They won the vote.

So, do you give them the keys to the church, and say, hey, they had the votes…..or do you say hell no, we won’t go. It’s our church, and you are trying to slide in, like a snake in the grass, contrary to our founding principals.

So I ask you, do you give this nation away, to the Satan worshippers. Who believe a simple majority, a true democracy, should change long standing traditions written in our founding documents that made us a Republic with certain inalienable rights.

This analogy is dead on, fyi. Everything they do, is an attack, and an afront to Jesus Christ. There is no God, other than the state in a communist world order.

This has been a Christian nation since it’s inception. Don’t let them destroy it. It’s time to make a stand. Nothing pretty about it, but it’s got to happen. They will be sure of that, they are violent revolutionary’s.
 

hd5574

Veteran Member
I have friends involved in this... they left the UMC...and formed a new church... the International MC..their church just divided
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
As I see it Missouri Synod has kept the faithful teaching and preaching of scripture 501c or not.
Most here protesting ACTUALLY don't want any church, or anyone telling them what to do, or expecting them to contribute more than $2 on Sunday.
They want Jesus as their Savior. but not their Lord.
They want to sleep in on Sunday and worship God's creation (nature) instead of God himself.
Most can't stand "church people" or anyone who
talks about the Bible or Jesus "too much".
God KNOWS their heart and real reasons.
God himself established ORGANIZED RELIGION!
He is above all, a God or order, totally against everyone
"Doing what is right in his own eyes!"
As you see it? Well, when the blind lead the blind, they both may fall into the pit.

God certainly established organized religion, separate from the State, with Christ as its head. Man established organized religion with the State as its head.

And, what does Sunday have to do with being a Christian? And that's all I'll ask, as all of your other statements are easily seen as a weak attempt to deflect from the truth of who is the head of the true Church.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
So how does all the babble in the OP shake out? Are they going to perform gay marriages? Gays in the pulpit? Women in the pulpit?

So far, Lutheran Church Missouri Synod and Wisconsin Synod are holding the line. If they ever fold to "social justice" pressure, there won't be much left as sanctuary but pop-up independents which are hard to start and hard to maintain.
 
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gjwandkids

Contributing Member
I find this statement hilarious (not in a funny way, more in a tragic way)...because their general conference can delete whatever they want to...but I'm pretty sure God didn't change HIS position on the issue.

  • General Conference delegates supported a revision of the Social Principles that deletes the phrase “the practice of homosexuality… is incompatible with Christian teaching.”
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB

(United Methodist) Church ends 52-year-old anti-gay stance​

.........so were they discriminating against 52 yr old gays?

In that case....... just wait a year and they will be fine.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Fair use cited

By Heather Hahn
May 2, 2024 | CHARLOTTE, N.C. (UM News)

Key points:
  • General Conference delegates supported a revision of the Social Principles that deletes the phrase “the practice of homosexuality… is incompatible with Christian teaching.”
  • The 1972 General Conference added the phrase to The United Methodist Church’s Social Principles, and it has been a source of conflict in the decades since.
  • The vote came after about an hour and a half of debate and an amendment to its statement on marriage.
  • The historic May 2 vote came after days of General Conference reversing restrictions on LGBTQ ministry without debate.

The United Methodist Church’s condemnation of homosexuality — which sparked a half-century of conflict — is now no more.
By a vote of 523 to 161 after about an hour and a half of debate, General Conference delegates eliminated the 52-year-old assertion in the denomination’s Social Principles that “the practice of homosexuality… is incompatible with Christian teaching.”

In the same vote, delegates affirmed “marriage as a sacred, lifelong covenant that brings two people of faith (adult man and adult woman of consenting age or two adult persons of consenting age) into a union of one another and into deeper relationship with God and the religious community.”

Randall Miller, who chaired the Social Principles Task Force that led the development of the revisions approved over the past week, said this was a historic moment.

“It's been 40 years of work for me and others to remove the incompatibility clause from our Social Principles and really live in through our belief that all people are sacred,” said Miller, who is gay and long advocated for the full inclusion of LGBTQ people in church life. “Just deeply grateful and it's wonderful to have come to this moment.”

The historic decision follows days of delegates voting on the consent calendar —without debate — to reverse multiple denominational constraints on ministry with and by LGBTQ members. It marks the beginning of what many see as a new day for The United Methodist Church after decades of rancor over the place of LGBTQ people in the church.

More about Social Principles​

The revised Social Principles adopted May 2 replace Paragraphs 161 and 162 in the Discipline, which deal with the church’s stances on the “Social Community.”

“As United Methodists, we affirm that human beings are made for God and for one another (Genesis 1:26-27, 31; Philippians 2:3-8),” the preface says. “We live out our lives, grow in the faith, and engage in acts of discipleship and witness in the context of a variety of interconnected communities, including families, schools, neighborhoods, workplaces, and the broader society.”

Also these Social Principles contain the church’s stance on child marriage, polygamy, divorce, substance abuse, death with dignity, abortion and other topics related to family life.

This section of the Social Principles also acknowledges “that the tangled and complex legacies of colonialism and neocolonialism hang heavily over the global fellowship of United Methodists.”

The section goes on to “call on individuals and congregations to educate themselves about the troubling legacies of colonialism and, where appropriate, to seek repentance for our continued involvement.”

To read the Revised Social Principles

On May 1, in another momentous change, delegates voted by consent calendar to remove the denomination’s ban on the ordination of clergy who are “self-avowed practicing homosexuals” — a prohibition that dates to 1984.

Legislation makes it onto the consent calendar if it received overwhelming support from its legislative committee and has no impact on the denomination’s budget or constitution.

But the vote on this revision of the Social Principles came with debate, and an amendment that delegates adopted from Molly Hlekani Mwayera, delegate from the Zimbabwe East Conference and newly elected member of the denomination’s Judicial Council.

She added the amendment for “a double-barrel” definition of marriage that includes both a man and a woman, in line with law in much of the world including her home country, and two adults, in line with law in other parts of the world including the U.S.
The amendment also weaves in three other parts of the newly adopted Social Principles — the rejection of child marriage, the stance against polygamy and support for consent in sexual relationships
.
“We are called to do no harm, do good and stay in love with God,” said Mwayera, echoing Bishop Reuben Job’s summary of John Wesley’s General Rules. “The failure to effectively define the issue of marriage is discriminatory and counter to our Wesleyan tradition.”

She added that United Methodists should be able to have a definition that meets the needs of their context.

But for a number of delegates, a different definition of marriage beyond just man and woman was a major sticking point.
Nimia Peralta, a delegate from the Northwest Philippines Conference, said she must hold with Jesus’ words in Matthew 19 that “a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”

“God defined marriage to be between a man and a woman,” she said. “While we celebrate worldwide regionalization, I truly believe the definition of marriage can never be regionalized.”

The Rev. Jørgen Thaarup, a delegate from Denmark, spoke specifically to the amendment. He noted that John Wesley used two different ceremonies for marriage: One for couples who expected to have children, and one for couples who didn’t expect to have children.

“So the thinking that marriage is not just one thing but things, we have from John Wesley,” he said.
Thaarup also stressed that in Matthew 19, Jesus was addressing a question about divorce, and the Greek word in the passage that is often translated as “man,” could just as easily be translated as human being.

Molly Hlekani Mwayera, a lay delegate from the Zimbabwe East Conference, proposes an amendment to a revision of the Social Principles dealing with marriage during the May 2 afternoon plenary session of the United Methodist General Conference in Charlotte, N.C. Photo by Paul Jeffrey, UM News.

With the vote, delegates have adopted the entire slate of revised Social Principles submitted by the United Methodist Board of Church and Society, the denomination’s social witness agency.

The Social Principles represent the denomination’s public stands on issues of the day and are not church law.
But for many General Conference delegates and observers, the May 2 change to the Social Principles was particularly hard won.

In 1972, delegates were considering a fresh set of Social Principles for their newly formed United Methodist Church — which had just come together in 1968 as a merger between the Methodist and the Evangelical United Brethren churches.

That’s when the 1972 delegates voted to add the words: “We do not condone the practice of homosexuality and consider it incompatible with Christian teaching.” The new statement came after the phrase “persons of homosexual orientation are persons of sacred worth.”

The 1972 General Conference also adopted the statement: “We do not recommend marriage between two persons of the same sex.”

Before that, the Book of Discipline — the denomination’s policy book — said nothing one way or the other about homosexuality.

Since 1972, the denomination’s stance on homosexuality became a recurring subject of debate and protest at each General Conference. The legislative body increased restrictions changing what was initially a statement of social witness into a matter of church law.

Those added restrictions included banning clergy from officiating at same-sex weddings and banning clergy who are, in the words of the Discipline, “self-avowed practicing homosexuals.” Clergy found guilty of these church-law violations could face loss of credentials or lesser penalties.

The debate culminated with the 2019 special General Conference, which by a vote of 438-384 passed the Traditional Plan that aimed to strengthen those restrictions. In a separate vote, delegates approved a disaffiliation provision, which about a quarter of U.S. churches used to leave the denomination. Most of the departures ended up being theologically conservative churches that supported the bans.

At this year’s General Conference, delegates have been rolling back these restrictions.

The revised Social Principles passed May 2 replace Paragraphs 161 and 162 in the Discipline. Those paragraphs deal with the church’s stances on the “Social Community.”

Before the May 2 vote, General Conference had already adopted most of the revised Social Principles on the consent calendar.

A slate of revised Social Principles came after an international, multiyear process authorized by the 2012 General Conference to develop a “more globally relevant, theologically founded and succinct” version.

Church and Society carried out that effort with a writing team of 52 United Methodists from Africa, Europe, the Philippines and the U.S., who drafted the proposed revised Social Principles. That draft then received input from more than 4,000 United Methodists worldwide before the final submission.

John Hill, Church and Society’s interim top executive, said days before the May 2 vote that his agency’s hope is that the language in all the revised Social Principles will resource and equip ministry in as many settings around the world as possible.
“Around the issues of human sexuality and marriage, we have a church whose local contexts are dramatically different,” Hill said. “So our hope was to have statements that could speak theologically to these matters, but not to any specific context. Instead, they could be applied across contexts.”
Satan has won another round. What denomination will fall next?
Even so, Lord Jesus, please come quickly…

OA
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
The pastor at the baptist church I go to has a gay daughter. Sometimes she comes to church with her girl friend. I don't think their coming to church is going to change their minds, but it may change the attitude at church. If that happens I'm not sure what I will do. I had gay friends back in the day in New Orleans and I didn't down them for being gay. Neither of my sons are gay but one fellow that they grew up with is gay as a goose, so to speak. Youngest son quit hanging out with him because he was interested in going to gay bars.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member
I ran this spot Monday on local radio. AM 1400, spots show between nine and ten am. It kinda pertains to your post


Mark Thompson, marketing the truth.

Imagine a few of us met for a home Bible study, that grew exponentially, soon ten family’s were showing up. We decided and committed to buying the vacant building down town.

It continues to grow quickly, and then we had one hundred folks, then two hundred….the new folks volunteered, church secretary, lawn mowing, doing all the things we do to keep the church going strong.

Then a few years later at the annual business meeting new business came up and a person stood up and stated, he’d like us to worship Satan. Then, unexpectedly a large number of new comers stood up and said take a vote.

Here in lays a quandry. This church was founded on Christ, and it is in the bylaws. We are a Christ worshipping church, and to worship Satan is insane. But they had the slight majority, as not that many normally show for a church business meeting. They won the vote.

So, do you give them the keys to the church, and say, hey, they had the votes…..or do you say hell no, we won’t go. It’s our church, and you are trying to slide in, like a snake in the grass, contrary to our founding principals.

So I ask you, do you give this nation away, to the Satan worshippers. Who believe a simple majority, a true democracy, should change long standing traditions written in our founding documents that made us a Republic with certain inalienable rights.

This analogy is dead on, fyi. Everything they do, is an attack, and an afront to Jesus Christ. There is no God, other than the state in a communist world order.

This has been a Christian nation since it’s inception. Don’t let them destroy it. It’s time to make a stand. Nothing pretty about it, but it’s got to happen. They will be sure of that, they are violent revolutionary’s.
I listen to WDWS when I can get it. It’s usually fairly clear through daylight hours.

I’ve heard several of your ads and they’ve all been spot on.

Sad that there seems to be at least one caller on penny right after it runs that po-paws it with no contrasting facts, just arguments just the why are you airing these divisive lies.

Brian has stayed nuteral for the most part.

Sadly those of us that get it with our eyes open get it and those who God has given over to their evil hearts won’t.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
In the months and years to come ‘churches’ like this are going to wither and die. All about the wheat and the chaff here. These kind of organizations that are spiritually barren have nothing to offer to a society coming apart at the seams. Jesus said something about building either on sand or on the rock. When the real storm winds start blowing we’ll see whose houses have collapsed and whose have withstood the winds of adversity.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In the months and years to come ‘churches’ like this are going to wither and die. All about the wheat and the chaff here. These kind of organizations that are spiritually barren have nothing to offer to a society coming apart at the seams. Jesus said something about building either on sand or on the rock. When the real storm winds start blowing we’ll see whose houses have collapsed and whose have withstood the winds of adversity.

I agree, somewhat. I believe all the different denominations will still exist as we go into the future, but they will be totally devoid of any true spirituality. God has left them for the most part, already.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
God is/will call the people he is working with in this age out of these institutional churches in his timing. They will go so far astray from his word and his spirit that his very elect will discern it. Those church systems are getting so brazen now that the divide is easy to see.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I listen to WDWS when I can get it. It’s usually fairly clear through daylight hours.

I’ve heard several of your ads and they’ve all been spot on.

Sad that there seems to be at least one caller on penny right after it runs that po-paws it with no contrasting facts, just arguments just the why are you airing these divisive lies.

Brian has stayed nuteral for the most part.

Sadly those of us that get it with our eyes open get it and those who God has given over to their evil hearts won’t.
I was hoping to hear from you on this. The station manager, Grant Thompson, use to be a customer of mine when he was young. I can't pick him out in my mind. We got along fine, and he was on the air Thursday and addressed the concerns Muhammed had on Tuesday. He wanted them to stop me from saying lies about Islam. Grant explained there are parameters to what I can say, but I've not approached any yet, and it's free speech, though he's paying for it........ he can continue as long as he abides by this.

I too notice it's usually ridicule of sort, one called me a lunatic....I added that to the following weeks commercials. I'd like to post them on a thread, there's ten one minute spots per email, with a total of four, five being my final week...I think. I've not figured out how to get that done. Cut and paste doesn't seem to work for me. And I'm not going one at a time.

It's been fun. Did you hear the one with digital helium....was it too much, more of a caricature is what my budy Eric the Olympic skater thinks. He hates it, I like it, it''s fun and you better be on point to hear it and discern it. I'm sure it's too fast for the slower folks....age plays into this as well. I've got two more long spots I'd like to fit in, for fun, and for content. I was thinking about making it fun, telling the people to get ready to shut their eye's and listen. Warn them I will annoy some, and to forgive me, but the volume's gonna go up a small amount, but noticeable, to help hear the words. It's kinda like the news cycle, faster and faster, so it's somewhat of a parody, and lots of content. Fifty percent. more for the same money. So I'll air a commercial to get them ready to shut their eye's and listen. Unless they're driving of course.

I'm running two spots between nine and ten for another two weeks. Love to get some feedback.

For those who might want to hear. It's WDWS 1400 AM Penny for your thoughts.

Interesting thing, Few spots are run twice or more, once and done. The podcast doesn't run commercials so you can't listen again. Good and bad about this.

FYI, it's somewhat fun calling out the useful idiots in this region. There's enough value to that, I'm good. I do believe some people can be reached with either the Gospel, or the facts to Covid, and the government wants you dead, as do the muslims. I promote Timebomb2000 hoping more with eye's to see, can gain even more insight. Same with FLCCC.com and The Good News About Nuclear Destruction
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I just remembered I could show a rough draft of the set up spot for the digital helium.


Mark Thompson, marketing the truth, with the help of digital helium.

I’ve enjoyed the last month writing my thoughts in one minute increments. But I gotta tell ya, it’s hard to get it done in one minute. I’ve always got one or three paragraphs that pertain, but alas, time runs short. My new friend Scott Beatty, does a great job at the editing keyboard, we usually end up trying to make a minute six or so fit…hence why it sounds like I talk fast.

As we were doing this, I thought it would be fun, and fit my desire to cram more info inside that one minute spot, hence, marketing the truth with digital helium.

There will be two commercial spots coming up in this next hour that takes a focus to hear and understand what I say, it comes really fast. But it’s fun. So here’s the deal, we will be turning up the volume for the next two spots, and I suggest you shut your eye’s so your focus is complete when that time comes. If your not driving….

There’s a reason blind people hear really well, they don’t have the visual stimulant clouding their mind. We’re turning up the volume slightly. I hope you can comprehend, it’s like the news cycle, faster faster..

Here’s a shooting tip, from this certified and seasoned instructor, if you practice dry firing, squeezing a trigger with your eye’s shut, you will feel the trigger like never before. You will see it in your minds eye. It will make you a better shooter, squeezing a trigger without flinching. That’s my shooting tip of the day, as it pertains to feelings. Shooting can be summed up, as squeezing a trigger.

Eye’s wide shut has it’s place, just not in current events.

Listen up, they’re coming. The commercials that is… as to me, I’m tapped out. It’s been fun and I pray you all find a relationship with God, and get prepared for this storm to get considerably worse.

God bless one and all. Come Lord Jesus. Seek and ye shall find.



FYI, Scott Beatty is getting to know me, as I him. It takes an hour and a half to produce ten, so we have eight hours at this point with small talk. He being a liberal product of Allen Hall, a liberal residential learning center on U of I campus, the first of its kind which now boast over five hundred nationwide......he's been forced to hear and listen to every spot. I think they are having an effect on him...they have to be. The first week, he was butt hurt at the end. Now we are very cordial. Quite a bit of feed back to the station, on and off air.

I just realized, softening Scott might be a coup all on its own. Not sure it's value, who knows, but he does fill in for Brian. He's gotten an ear full of how we think here, that's for sure. In theory, it should make him a better host. He owes me....
 
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Bps1691

Veteran Member
I was hoping to hear from you on this. The station manager, Grant Thompson, use to be a customer of mine when he was young. I can't pick him out in my mind. We got along fine, and he was on the air Thursday and addressed the concerns Muhammed had on Tuesday. He wanted them to stop me from saying lies about Islam. Grant explained there are parameters to what I can say, but I've not approached any yet, and it's free speech, though he's paying for it........ he can continue as long as he abides by this.

I too notice it's usually ridicule of sort, one called me a lunatic....I added that to the following weeks commercials. I'd like to post them on a thread, there's ten one minute spots per email, with a total of four, five being my final week...I think. I've not figured out how to get that done. Cut and paste doesn't seem to work for me. And I'm not going one at a time.

It's been fun. Did you hear the one with digital helium....was it too much, more of a caricature is what my budy Eric the Olympic skater thinks. He hates it, I like it, it''s fun and you better be on point to hear it and discern it. I'm sure it's too fast for the slower folks....age plays into this as well. I've got two more long spots I'd like to fit in, for fun, and for content. I was thinking about making it fun, telling the people to get ready to shut their eye's and listen. Warn them I will annoy some, and to forgive me, but the volume's gonna go up a small amount, but noticeable, to help hear the words. It's kinda like the news cycle, faster and faster, so it's somewhat of a parody, and lots of content. Fifty percent. more for the same money. So I'll air a commercial to get them ready to shut their eye's and listen. Unless they're driving of course.

I'm running two spots between nine and ten for another two weeks. Love to get some feedback.

For those who might want to hear. It's WDWS 1400 AM Penny for your thoughts.

Interesting thing, Few spots are run twice or more, once and done. The podcast doesn't run commercials so you can't listen again. Good and bad about this.

FYI, it's somewhat fun calling out the useful idiots in this region. There's enough value to that, I'm good. I do believe some people can be reached with either the Gospel, or the facts to Covid, and the government wants you dead, as do the muslims. I promote Timebomb2000 hoping more with eye's to see, can gain even more insight. Same with FLCCC.com and The Good News About Nuclear Destruction
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I just remembered I could show a rough draft of the set up spot for the digital helium.


Mark Thompson, marketing the truth, with the help of digital helium.

I’ve enjoyed the last month writing my thoughts in one minute increments. But I gotta tell ya, it’s hard to get it done in one minute. I’ve always got one or three paragraphs that pertain, but alas, time runs short. My new friend Scott Beatty, does a great job at the editing keyboard, we usually end up trying to make a minute six or so fit…hence why it sounds like I talk fast.

As we were doing this, I thought it would be fun, and fit my desire to cram more info inside that one minute spot, hence, marketing the truth with digital helium.

There will be two commercial spots coming up in this next hour that takes a focus to hear and understand what I say, it comes really fast. But it’s fun. So here’s the deal, we will be turning up the volume for the next two spots, and I suggest you shut your eye’s so your focus is complete when that time comes. If your not driving….

There’s a reason blind people hear really well, they don’t have the visual stimulant clouding their mind. We’re turning up the volume slightly. I hope you can comprehend, it’s like the news cycle, faster faster..

Here’s a shooting tip, from this certified and seasoned instructor, if you practice dry firing, squeezing a trigger with your eye’s shut, you will feel the trigger like never before. You will see it in your minds eye. It will make you a better shooter, squeezing a trigger without flinching. That’s my shooting tip of the day, as it pertains to feelings. Shooting can be summed up, as squeezing a trigger.

Eye’s wide shut has it’s place, just not in current events.

Listen up, they’re coming. The commercials that is… as to me, I’m tapped out. It’s been fun and I pray you all find a relationship with God, and get prepared for this storm to get considerably worse.

God bless one and all. Come Lord Jesus. Seek and ye shall find.



FYI, Scott Beatty is getting to know me, as I him. It takes an hour and a half to produce ten, so we have eight hours at this point with small talk. He being a liberal product of Allen Hall, a liberal residential learning center on U of I campus, the first of its kind which now boast over five hundred nationwide......he's been forced to hear and listen to every spot. I think they are having an effect on him...they have to be. The first week, he was butt hurt at the end. Now we are very cordial. Quite a bit of feed back to the station, on and off air.

I just realized, softening Scott might be a coup all on its own. Not sure it's value, who knows, but he does fill in for Brian. He's gotten an ear full of how we think here, that's for sure. In theory, it should make him a better host. He owes me....
To those outside of WDWS range on air, they do have an internet feed.

I’ve enjoyed your spots that I’ve heard. Honest facts get the zombies sputtering for sure.
 

Pancakes45

Contributing Member
I was raised Baptist, but my 1st wife was Methodist. We stayed in the church until I found out how anti-2a the church leaders were back in the late 90s. Went back to Baptist and now i go shooting with the pastor, the music director and the deacons!
 
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