GOV/MIL (Unconfirmed) USS Abraham Lincoln Rocked By Deadly Clash Amid Iran: 7 US Navy Personnel "KILLED, SEVERAL HURT"

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Deployment is the very bases of the Navy. Some are good and some are so miserable you do have to question what am I doing here. I was on one deployment where we went 113 or 114 days with never more than 2 hours sleep. That sleep was sitting down leaning, lashed to a post, since the seas were to rough for our little vessel. We had C and B ration to eat. It is a blurred nightmare to this day. Sleep deprivation along with cold and food shortage leaves the body in a constant state of disorientation. We completed our mission and came back. Yes they did have Lobster tails waiting for us. Things like that happen when you put your name on the line. It is part of the job but I wouldn’t want to do that again.
 
The way I am seeing it, this is the easiest combat mission our troops have been in in the last 100 years. No significant boots on the ground, minimal causalities. Nothing like Iraq, Afghanistan, WW I, WW II, Vietnam, Korea, Mogadishu, Bosnia, Kosovo, or Syria.

yes, they thought they would be home by now and are stuck on a ship for an extended mission. Yes, it is close quarters and they are getting homesick. But they arent doing that in addition to mortars falling on them, IEDs, or bullets flying. Every soldier or sailor has been homesick during combat missions throughout history. No one talked about "mental health" - they just pushed through the danger.
 
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CLAIM: Over the past 48 hours, multiple media outlets have reported several false claims related to USS Abraham Lincoln's (CVN 72) deployment to the Middle East. One report alleged seven Sailors died in a brawl aboard the aircraft carrier and others have recently suggested a spike in suicidal ideations. These reports are FALSE.

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FACT: USS Abraham Lincoln has maintained among the highest crew reenlistment rates (84.4%) of all aircraft carriers in the U.S. Navy. The Sailors and Marines of the Abraham Lincoln Carrier Strike Group remain resilient and resolved after more than 260 days at sea, 10,000 aircraft flights, and 1.5 million pounds of ordnance expended. No service members aboard the aircraft carrier have died, and the one Sailor who fell overboard Aug. 3 was quickly and safely recovered. The rampant misreporting on Abraham Lincoln's historic deployment is a disservice to our men and women in uniform and their loved ones.
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Be interesting to see what the reenlistment rate is after this deployment.

Sailors bitch. I have worked with sailed with and been around sailors for 30 yrs. They complain about everything. If they arent complaining you get nervous. They are over 260 days into their deployment with a total of 3 days in port. 2 days in Guam and 1 in Oman. Between those 2 stops they spent 208 continuous days at sea. How many actually got to get off the ship? I suspect that the Oman port call was just to pick up supplies that they werent able to get via UNREP.

I find this comment by Hegseth interesting:

"We make sure every ship, every crew, every captain has everything we can provide them at every single moment," Hegseth told reporters during a visit to Panama on Thursday. "Some deployments are longer than others, and I have more respect and gratitude for those sailors than anybody. What they do in those high seas in those austere conditions with less port calls — it's incredible."

He states everything we can provide them not everything they need.

There are known logistics issues with supplying the fleet during this current surge. Not enough UNREP capacity for fuel and stores. A carrier goes through about 500000 lbs of food a week plus tons of consumables. Toilet paper, cleaning supplies, soap etc. I remember UNREPing a carrier and just watching pallets of Red Bull, lettuce, eggs, flour, etc. Aircraft spares, ship repair parts, mail etc. On and on. And it was an all day evolution. I suspect that they are prioritizing critical supplies like parts and not sending the fluff stuff like Red Bull and fresh eggs. More coffee and powdered eggs. And that is across the board. Same with the care packages. They take up a lot of space. Hopefully that is the food issue. They arent happy because of the variety but are hopefully at least getting adequate nutrients.

One of the issues was water contamination. Speculation but I have worked on a number of those systems. The water in the Gulf of Oman is warm and salty. The water systems arent designed for sustained operation in that water and may just need repairs and cleaning. On top of that just the general wear and tear on the ship and her systems. She is 2-3 months beyond her scheduled end of deployment with means any planned post deployment repairs are being pushed out and more equipment is being sailorized to keep going a little while longer.

Be interesting to know what the command climate is right now. That is a huge factor in morale. I have seen crews worked to the bone that are happy ships because of fantastic command staff. And seen just the opposite.

Carriers are a small city. They have fights, theft, rape (even before women onboard), race issues, gangs etc just like any town. Neighbor was fleet security on a carrier and he had some nutty stories.

Many of those WW2 deployments necessitated port calls and anchorages for regular refuelings and resupply. The Navy built liberty bases on a number of islands in the Pacific specifically to allow the sailors a place to unwind for a least a few days. It is a bad comparision as the logistics and fleet support today isnt near what it was.

I am rambling here but these kids are going through a lot on that ship. It is easy for us to say they are all wimps and soft but harder for us to put ourselves in their shoes. Few here have slept in a Navy coffin (bed) at all never mind for 8 months without getting ashore. It is easy for us to criticize sitting at our computers in our own homes while we are watching TV.
 
I was sent to Thailand for a year during the Vietnam war. Our base was hit many times. I was in Air Force intelligence working on radar bombing for our F4 fighter/bombers over N. Vietnam and worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day. On top of that I flew at least once a week for 4 hours or more at a time on Cessna Skymaster's forward air control planes during the day and C-130's dropping flares over the Ho Chi Minh trail over Laos and Vietnam. It was stressful, but I liked the job and decided to extend my tour for another year. I never even thought about wimping out. I never saw anyone act like the people these days.
 
WildDaisy said:
The way I am seeing it, this is the easiest combat mission our troops have been in in the last 100 years. No significant boots on the ground, minimal causalities. Nothing like Iraq, Afghanistan, WW I, WW II, Vietnam, Korea, Mogadishu, Bosnia, Kosovo, or Syria.

yes, they thought they would be home by now and are stuck on a ship for an extended mission. Yes, it is close quarters and they are getting homesick. But they arent doing that in addition to mortars falling on them, IEDs, or bullets flying. Every soldier or sailor has been homesick during combat missions throughout history. No one talked about "mental health" - they just pushed through the danger.
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But, the threat of a hypersonic missile attack is real.... and that weighs on minds. Just like they know the enemy has the ability to create a black out, jamming all electronics, as displayed by the Russians some years back. Sitting duck comes to mind to some degree. It aint easy.

But, they should consider their actions are saving a lot of lives at this point in time. Hats off to the vast majority who do the job, and suck it up. Hats off to those here who served and share their insight here on this thread.
 
Panner said:
I was sent to Thailand for a year during the Vietnam war. Our base was hit many times. I was in Air Force intelligence working on radar bombing for our F4 fighter/bombers over N. Vietnam and worked 7 days a week, 12 hours a day. On top of that I flew at least once a week for 4 hours or more at a time on Cessna Skymaster's forward air control planes during the day and C-130's dropping flares over the Ho Chi Minh trail over Laos and Vietnam. It was stressful, but I liked the job and decided to extend my tour for another year. I never even thought about wimping out. I never saw anyone act like the people these days.
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I bet 98% of infantry conscripts would have traded positions with you without hesitation.
 
I think it depends more on how bad the conditions are than on the length of time involved. I finally saw an article that mentioned meals consisting of two tortillas and a cup of rice. Not only is that horrible nutrition-wise, but it also doesn't provide enough calories for an active young man or woman. If it was one meal, or even a few days without beans as a protein, then, well - sucks to be you; you signed up for this. But if it went on for several weeks, along with no milk, rotting meat (if any was served), contaminated water making people sick (and unfit for duty), and no sanitation supplies (which can also make people sick and unfit for duty). Dirty laundry- again, for how long? A week in the same underwear is annoying, but there are sinks where you can wash your undies and socks (if there is water; if there isn't, that's another issue), but it becomes a serious health issue if it goes on for more than a week, or even less if the work is dirty and sweaty.

As for the lack of sleep, sure, that can be part of training and used to be part of the lifestyle, until quite a number of military-based investigations showed that sailors (or any military person) with not enough sleep over prolonged periods are likely to make mistakes, sometimes fatal ones. They can be a danger to themselves and the rest of the crew. Sure, people need to train to handle it during periods of actual combat; but doing it as a routine, which used to be the way (I gather) ships were run, is just asking for problems. Again, it is a health hazard, and a sick sailor, especially one sick enough to be in sickbay, isn't an operational sailor.

Other things, like the lack of mail- well, that can be expected during a potential combat situation- ditto for not being allowed to use cell phones. The lack of shore leave is unfortunate and doesn't help the situation, but as others have pointed out, in wartime this isn't that unusual.

I think that the fact that military families are getting worried enough to start using their own names in public says that some of the conditions may seriously need fixing, especially the food, water, laundry, sanitation, mold, and other things that directly affect health and readiness on a personal and group basis. Some of the rest of this is, yeah, very young people (many of them, not all) away from home for the first time, getting homesick and realizing what they have gotten themselves into.

The other issue, as some with experience have pointed out, is that in an all-volunteer military, if word gets around that the troops with REAL issues are ignored, how many people of the 8 percent who qualify are going to volunteer or enlist? given the physical state of most Americans these days, I don't think they can count on a draft to solve their problems, either.
 
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Deployment is the very bases of the Navy. Some are good and some are so miserable you do have to question what am I doing here. I was on one deployment where we went 113 or 114 days with never more than 2 hours sleep. That sleep was sitting down leaning, lashed to a post, since the seas were to rough for our little vessel. We had C and B ration to eat. It is a blurred nightmare to this day. Sleep deprivation along with cold and food shortage leaves the body in a constant state of disorientation. We completed our mission and came back. Yes they did have Lobster tails waiting for us. Things like that happen when you put your name on the line. It is part of the job but I wouldn’t want to do that again.
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And even when you were going through all that you still depended on your ship mates you had their back and they had yours. When SHTF each of your lives depend on each other. Now off the boat drunken brawls were acceptable as long as they shook hands afterwards. lol
 
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And even when you were going through all that you still depended on your ship mates you had their back and they had yours. When SHTF each of your lives depend on each other. Now off the boat drunken brawls were acceptable as long as they shook hands afterwards. lol
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Acceptable hell it was expected. Then right back to getting it done and laughing at that last Liberty. Just to juice it up at some remote pull in they had ten cent shooters. Just imagine the pain and smiles the next day.
 
Countrymouse said:
Oh dear Lord.

We are SO screwed.

MARINES told to "report" if they "FEEL ABUSED."

Wonder how der wittle feelings will feel will under fire by the enemy....
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From what I have heard recently coming out of USMC boot camp, abusing recruits is a real problem. Tough training is part of USMC tradition, I know, that's not what I mean. I mean DIs doing illegal stuff to their recruits.
 
LightEcho said:
I bet 98% of infantry conscripts would have traded positions with you without hesitation.
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Probably would have. The only bad thing about flying we were always getting shot at by anti-aircraft guns and even rifle fire in the small planes when we flew low to mark targets. The thing I will never forget is the tracers coming up at the C-130's. The anti-aircraft guns fired 1 tracer for every 6 round load. By the time they got to our plane they were traveling so slow you felt you could grab one by hand.
 
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They signed up for this and the recruiter is suppose to advise them of what's involved and what it's like being on a ship at sea for months at a time.
I like to know the race of the people involved there is one group that you cannot take anywhere without them starting trouble somewhere along the way.
 
Sorry, don't give a SH&t. I and we spent 87 days underwater continuously. Normally it's about 75 days. You figure out the difference time wise. We didn't like it, and it sucked. But that's what you do.

No daylight, no phone calls, no instant messaging. I raised my hand for a reason. And being a pussy wasn't one of them.
 
Items to consider about the situation:

1) Resupply problems stem from the Navy's logistics support operations in Bahrain being knocked out by Iran. Now supplies have to come from another location without the benefit of having the ones stored in the now-destroyed warehouse in Bahrain.

2) The Washington is on its way to relieve Lincoln.

3) Lincoln is probably going to stop in Australia on its way home. Hope there's enough beer and wild women available.
 
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My opinion...

Meaning what? Know this..the political, military, and ideological schisms that are being revealed by the msm carry enough weight to split this forum.....I suggest that the membership get together and find the truth. The keyboard commandoes that have been spouting off PROPAGANDA( for years) spewed by the likes of Mark Levin and his ilk should take a long, hard look at themselves. A reckoning approaches. JMHO by the way.
 
ssbn642blue said:
Sorry, don't give a SH&t. I and we spent 87 days underwater continuously. Normally it's about 75 days. You figure out the difference time wise. We didn't like it, and it sucked. But that's what you do.

No daylight, no phone calls, no instant messaging. I raised my hand for a reason. And being a pussy wasn't one of them.
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That was then and this is now. While not taking away anything from those who serve now it is a volunteer military, less and less young people qualify to serve and they believed that with Trump in charge the military would get everything they need and then some.

We haven’t had to deal with constrained logistics trains for many decades. We used to own the air and seas of the world without challenge and that is changing. Retention is going to be a big problem and if things are half as bad for the surface fleet as has been intimidated they are going to have a very hard time re-upping the enlisted ranks.

Anyone feel a draft in the room?

www.usatoday.com

Eligible men will soon be automatically registered for military draft

For decades, eligible men were required to register for selective service. Now, the military draft system is slated to change.
www.usatoday.com
 
doctor_fungcool said:
My opinion...

Meaning what? Know this..the political, military, and ideological schisms that are being revealed by the msm carry enough weight to split this forum.....I suggest that the membership get together and find the truth. The keyboard commandoes that have been spouting off PROPAGANDA( for years) spewed by the likes of Mark Levin and his ilk should take a long, hard look at themselves. A reckoning approaches. JMHO by the way.
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There are a lot of Vets on this board. We all did our Sh$t, and Damn proud of it. If these new Pukes can't handle it, blame the Friggin' parents that reared them. I have my own mind, and sure don't need ANYONE to tell me what is proper.
 
Hfcomms said:
That was then and this is now. While not taking away anything from those who serve now it is a volunteer military, less and less young people qualify to serve and they believed that with Trump in charge the military would get everything they need and then some.

We haven’t had to deal with constrained logistics trains for many decades. We used to own the air and seas of the world without challenge and that is changing. Retention is going to be a big problem and if things are half as bad for the surface fleet as has been intimidated they are going to have a very hard time re-upping the enlisted ranks.

Anyone feel a draft in the room?

www.usatoday.com

Eligible men will soon be automatically registered for military draft

For decades, eligible men were required to register for selective service. Now, the military draft system is slated to change.
www.usatoday.com
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Sorry, I enlisted when Carter was President. MY FRIGGIN' CHOICE.
 
ssbn642blue said:
Sorry, I enlisted when Carter was President. MY FRIGGIN' CHOICE.
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I'm a little bit younger than you and got in early in Reagan's first term. He made a lot of comments like President Trump as far as rebuilding the military and making it both strong and proud and under Reagan we rearmed and pretty much had everything we needed and plenty of it.

We were sent on some clandestine missions of course that never made the news but as far as major conflicts we didn't have much to attrit the system. I got out during Clinton which tells you about all you need to know. No way I was going to take orders from that CINC.
 
ssbn642blue said:
There are a lot of Vets on this board. We all did our Sh$t, and Damn proud of it. If these new Pukes can't handle it, blame the Friggin' parents that reared them. I have my own mind, and sure don't need ANYONE to tell me what is proper.
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The military that we have now is an all volunteer force. Those people signed up on their free will. Why call them "Pukes?" Isn't that disrespectful?
 
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