Misc UNCONFIRMED: GrandJury Has Already Returned A "True Bill Of Indictment" On AT LEAST ONE CHARGE AGAINST FORMER PRESIDENT #TRUMP

Pinecone

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Oh I actually do. I always tell him, “I told you and you didn’t listen”…. pretty much about everything lol. But, this stuff has him extremely concerned… which causes me to have panic attacks.
Hold strong. It has a chance to get worse before it gets better. Take a breath. Breathe deep. Steel your heart for what may come. And pray for DJT and our country.
 

ShyGirl

Veteran Member
have been thinking about this leak of an indictment. Another possibility would be that it is a false leak. They want somebody to wig out and start shooting . They could be hoping this will do it.
Their plans are not working as hoped and even the Jan 6 pretend trial is a bust. Plus they have internal problems with lots of whistle blowers in the FBI among the rank and file, hence the Hail Mary play. Remember God is still in charge.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I'm sitting here watching this unfold and this happened a little to fast as most of the time it can take a week or more to get a grand jury tougher and something like this may take them a day and up to a week to make a decision.
 

Armyvet75

Contributing Member
amazing how much rumor gets seen as truth on twitter and the MSM,You can bet if there was even something there to charge there would have been charges already as much as they hate the man.they just could not control themselves to not charge if there was something there, alot of damage control coming on the doj and fbi.you would think after all these yrs of lies etc and they could not get it right but they keep stumbling over themselves to we havt to get the man, I hope TDS lives forever in the lefts head rent free
 

WFK

Senior Something
You have to be found guilty before you can be pardoned.
Talk about a "Hail Mary" move. That this has gotten run up the flag pole to see if anyone salutes it is very telling as to the number of chickens running around headless inside the Beltway at the moment....

You have to be found guilty before you can be pardoned.
The intent of the article is to establish in the reader's mind that DJT did indeed commit these "crimes."
But the article itself then talks about PARDONs. Clever mind-game being played there!
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
I'm sitting here watching this unfold and this happened a little to fast as most of the time it can take a week or more to get a grand jury tougher and something like this may take them a day and up to a week to make a decision.

Kind of like that ~vax that was ready way too quick. This was all gamed out weeks in advance, and suddenly the proles are upset. Who could have expected that?
 

somewherepress

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Merrick Garland looks set to indict Trump — despite his glaring conflict of interest​

By
Rich Lowry
August 15, 2022 7:48pm
Updated
Attorney General Merrick Garland received heavy pressure from Democrats and the media to move against Trump.AP/Susan Walsh
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Does Attorney General Merrick Garland know that he is investigating the man most likely to be the opponent of the president he serves? Does he realize that the intense political pressure campaign he’s under to indict that man has been plainly visible to everyone? Does he care?
If we can’t know where Garland is ultimately heading in his probe of Jan. 6 and the documents seized from Mar-a-Lago, all indications are that he is preparing the ground for an indictment of Donald J. Trump.

The former president is inflammatory and mendacious as a matter of course, but in this case, it is the mild-mannered former judge who came within a hair’s breadth of a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court who is rehearsing for the role of arsonist.

An indictment of Trump would be one of the most consequential acts by the Justice Department in decades, and Garland has a flagrant conflict of interest and will likely have to use an adventurous legal theory to try to nail Trump — at the same time the legitimacy of his institution in increasingly in doubt.

This is not a promising formula. An attorney general shouldn’t consider the prospect of reaping the whirlwind and think, “Bring it on.”

The Jan. 6 committee, elected Democrats and the media have been braying for Garland to move against Trump. President Biden himself has reportedly told aides in private that Garland should indict Trump. “Garland Faces Growing Pressure as Jan. 6 Investigation Widens,” the New York Times reported earlier this year.

It would take truly cussed independence and enormous moral and political courage not to take the path of least resistance and give in to these voices. Garland appears to be bending, presumably on his way to breaking.

An indictment of Donald Trump could be one of the most consequential acts by the Justice Department in decades.AP/Pablo Martinez Monsivais
It is amazing that he’s gotten this far without feeling a prick of conscience about his own status. I have no use for special counsels as a general matter, but how can an attorney general make highly sensitive determinations that will quite probably affect the state of play of the next presidential election without realizing he has a profound conflict of interest?

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It’d be one thing if Trump had shot someone on Fifth Avenue — a clean, no-doubt crime that wouldn’t require any novel theories or difficult-to-probe contentions about his state of mind to prosecute.

In contrast, Trump’s Jan. 6 offenses involve alleged crimes like obstructing Congress or defrauding the United States that are going to involve tricky questions about his motives and where the legitimate exercise of his powers ends and the supposed criminality begins.

Needless to say, the country is not prepared to adjudicate such questions in a calm, high-minded manner. It will be the O.J. Simpson trial meets the Hiss-Chambers case, with a presidential race not in the background but very much in the foreground.

The fact of the matter is that while Trump’s moral blameworthiness for Jan. 6 is not in doubt, his legal culpability is. It’s easy to write an op-ed or say on cable TV that Trump incited an insurrection. As a legal matter, though, Trump didn’t come close to crossing the line to incitement, which has very specific and high standards under law.

Even his infamous Georgia phone call looks different on the close reading it would get as part of any court case — by the end of the call, his lawyers were only asking that the secretary of state’s office tell them why their count of suspected fraudulent votes was off.


In an environment of ever-spiraling political conflict, it’s difficult for anyone to exercise forbearance — to realize the most emotionally satisfying course isn’t necessarily the correct one and to be constrained by the public interest, even if that enrages his or her own side

Merrick Garland can still err on the side of statesmanship. He looks set, though, to choose the abyss.
 

somewherepress

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It’s Inevitable: Trump Will Be Indicted​


Americans should prepare for the spectacle of Donald Trump pleading not guilty to charges brought by the Biden Justice Department.

By Julie Kelly
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August 15, 2022
Afew days after federal agents stormed Donald Trump’s castle in Palm Beach last week, Judge Beryl Howell berated a man from Georgia for his involvement in the Capitol protest on January 6, 2021.

“Listening without question to political rhetoric that leads to serious offenses, criminal conduct, is not an excuse when you’re standing in a court of law,” Howell told Glen Simon, a Trump supporter who pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct on restricted grounds. “You’ve got to use your common sense and your own sense of who you are and how you’d like to conduct yourself as an American citizen before just blindly doing what a political figure says.”
Howell then sentenced Simon to eight months in prison.

The “political figure” to whom the judge was referring is President Trump. And Howell is not just any judge; she is the chief judge of the D.C. District Court that is overseeing at least 850 criminal cases related to the Capitol protest.
Appointed by Barack Obama in 2010, Howell does not disguise her partisan leanings or her contempt for Trump supporters. Howell describes the four-hour disturbance on Capitol Hill as “criminal activity that is destined to go down in the history books of this country.” She has scolded prosecutors for not bringing harsher charges in January 6 cases while insisting the hundreds of thousands of Americans who protested Joe Biden’s election that day had no legitimate grievance. She urged the government to set damages to the Capitol at $500 million rather than the accurate figure of $1.4 million in order to significantly boost restitution fines against January 6 defendants.

During a hearing last year, Howell mocked Representative Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) for saying video footage from inside the Capitol on January 6 looked like a “normal tourist visit.”

“Your purpose was not to be a tourist walking through the Capitol, was it?” Howell asked during a plea hearing for Leonard Gruppo, who pleaded guilty to the petty offense of “parading” in the Capitol. Gruppo said he was not there as a tourist. Howell then refused to accept his plea until Gruppo admitted that he was in Washington on January 6 “as part of a demonstration in support of President Trump.”

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Howell’s lectures and hostility are just a taste of what hundreds of Trump supporters have endured at the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse in the nation’s capital over the past 19 months. Even though most face low level misdemeanor charges, judges nonetheless treat January 6 protesters like domestic terrorists while often blaming Trump for what they consider an illegal incursion into the ruling class’s personal fiefdom of Washington, D.C. that day.
And they are salivating at the chance to arraign Donald Trump.

It now appears inevitable that the Justice Department will bring criminal charges against the former president. FBI Director Christopher Wray’s stunt at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 is part of creating the optical illusion that Donald Trump is guilty of any number of crimes related to January 6 or the mishandling of secret government documents—or both. On Monday, the Justice Department subpoenaed another Trump White House lawyer as the legal momentum accelerates.



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Attorney General Merrick Garland is doing his part to build the public case while Lisa Monaco, his deputy, runs the day-to-day lawfare operation against Trump. Monaco, a longtime Obama confidant who worked in his White House until the last day, is a rabid Trump hater. She intends to finish what the Obama Justice Department started in 2016 by indicting Donald Trump.

Of course, technically, any indictment would be the result of a grand jury investigation—proceedings held in the same courthouse filled with loathing for Donald Trump and his supporters. Grand juries composed of residents in a city that gave Trump five percent of the vote in 2020 and four percent in 2016 have issued hundreds of indictments and thousands of criminal charges against January 6 protesters. This includes charges against 16 protesters for “seditious conspiracy,” a rare criminal offense for which no American has ever been convicted.

Federal prosecutors are enjoying similar success before regular juries. Garland’s Justice Department is undefeated in jury trials of January 6 defendants; D.C. juries have returned unanimous guilty verdicts on every single charge in seven trials since March. This includes convictions on “obstruction of an official proceeding,” a vague post-Enron law never before used against political protesters. (A jury also quickly convicted Trump advisor Steve Bannon on two counts of contempt of Congress.

The obstruction count is one of the offenses Garland’s office likely will file against Trump

As evidence mounts that Trump supporters cannot get a fair trial in Washington—surveys of prospective jurors conducted by defense counsel show a heavy bias against January 6 protesters—D.C. District Court judges have denied each change of venue motion. Coverage of the January 6 select committee hearings undoubtedly has amplified that bias, especially for high-profile defendants such as members of the Oath Keepers. The committee has focused on the roles of both the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, airing videos of their conduct that day and attempting to tie these alleged militias to Donald Trump

A week after a former member of the Oath Keepers testified before a televised hearing in July, defense attorneys representing the Oath Keepers filed another motion to delay the trial and move it out of D.C. “The main point we have to consider is that you have a congressional committee that goes out and paints the Oath Keepers as white supremacists,” one defense attorney explained to Judge Amit Mehta, another Obama appointee.


Mehta rejected the argument and took umbrage at another attorney’s suggestion the committee’s work was political. “This is not a forum to express your political views or your views about the motivations of the committee,” Mehta scolded. “I don’t think they’re hosting the hearings just to interrupt this trial.”

He denied the motion; the first Oath Keepers trial begins next month. It’s possible the Justice Department will charge Trump for conspiracy for allegedly working with the “militias” to attack the Capitol.

This is the legal and judicial circle of hell now fired up to come for President Trump—a vengeful Justice Department run by Obama loyalists working with a weaponized FBI to bring criminal charges against hundreds of Trump supporters who then face the wrath of enraged judges of both political parties. There is no way out.

And at this point, there’s no way out for Merrick Garland, either. Democrats have raised expectations that Trump soon will be in handcuffs; failure to do so will result in a harsh backlash by their own voters this fall. After six years of promises, Democrats better deliver the goods on Trump or face intra-party revolt.

Americans should prepare for the inevitable—the unprecedented sight of a former president pleading not guilty to crimes he is alleged to have committed by a Justice Department run by his successor and potential rival in the next presidential election.

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One can only imagine the big smile on Beryl Howell’s face.
 

von Koehler

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It’s Inevitable: Trump Will Be Indicted​


Americans should prepare for the spectacle of Donald Trump pleading not guilty to charges brought by the Biden Justice Department.

By Julie Kelly
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August 15, 2022
Afew days after federal agents stormed Donald Trump’s castle in Palm Beach last week, Judge Beryl Howell berated a man from Georgia for his involvement in the Capitol protest on January 6, 2021.

“Listening without question to political rhetoric that leads to serious offenses, criminal conduct, is not an excuse when you’re standing in a court of law,” Howell told Glen Simon, a Trump supporter who pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct on restricted grounds. “You’ve got to use your common sense and your own sense of who you are and how you’d like to conduct yourself as an American citizen before just blindly doing what a political figure says.”
Howell then sentenced Simon to eight months in prison.

The “political figure” to whom the judge was referring is President Trump. And Howell is not just any judge; she is the chief judge of the D.C. District Court that is overseeing at least 850 criminal cases related to the Capitol protest.
Appointed by Barack Obama in 2010, Howell does not disguise her partisan leanings or her contempt for Trump supporters. Howell describes the four-hour disturbance on Capitol Hill as “criminal activity that is destined to go down in the history books of this country.” She has scolded prosecutors for not bringing harsher charges in January 6 cases while insisting the hundreds of thousands of Americans who protested Joe Biden’s election that day had no legitimate grievance. She urged the government to set damages to the Capitol at $500 million rather than the accurate figure of $1.4 million in order to significantly boost restitution fines against January 6 defendants.

During a hearing last year, Howell mocked Representative Andrew Clyde (R-Ga.) for saying video footage from inside the Capitol on January 6 looked like a “normal tourist visit.”

“Your purpose was not to be a tourist walking through the Capitol, was it?” Howell asked during a plea hearing for Leonard Gruppo, who pleaded guilty to the petty offense of “parading” in the Capitol. Gruppo said he was not there as a tourist. Howell then refused to accept his plea until Gruppo admitted that he was in Washington on January 6 “as part of a demonstration in support of President Trump.”

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Howell’s lectures and hostility are just a taste of what hundreds of Trump supporters have endured at the E. Barrett Prettyman Courthouse in the nation’s capital over the past 19 months. Even though most face low level misdemeanor charges, judges nonetheless treat January 6 protesters like domestic terrorists while often blaming Trump for what they consider an illegal incursion into the ruling class’s personal fiefdom of Washington, D.C. that day.
And they are salivating at the chance to arraign Donald Trump.

It now appears inevitable that the Justice Department will bring criminal charges against the former president. FBI Director Christopher Wray’s stunt at Mar-a-Lago on August 8 is part of creating the optical illusion that Donald Trump is guilty of any number of crimes related to January 6 or the mishandling of secret government documents—or both. On Monday, the Justice Department subpoenaed another Trump White House lawyer as the legal momentum accelerates.



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Attorney General Merrick Garland is doing his part to build the public case while Lisa Monaco, his deputy, runs the day-to-day lawfare operation against Trump. Monaco, a longtime Obama confidant who worked in his White House until the last day, is a rabid Trump hater. She intends to finish what the Obama Justice Department started in 2016 by indicting Donald Trump.

Of course, technically, any indictment would be the result of a grand jury investigation—proceedings held in the same courthouse filled with loathing for Donald Trump and his supporters. Grand juries composed of residents in a city that gave Trump five percent of the vote in 2020 and four percent in 2016 have issued hundreds of indictments and thousands of criminal charges against January 6 protesters. This includes charges against 16 protesters for “seditious conspiracy,” a rare criminal offense for which no American has ever been convicted.

Federal prosecutors are enjoying similar success before regular juries. Garland’s Justice Department is undefeated in jury trials of January 6 defendants; D.C. juries have returned unanimous guilty verdicts on every single charge in seven trials since March. This includes convictions on “obstruction of an official proceeding,” a vague post-Enron law never before used against political protesters. (A jury also quickly convicted Trump advisor Steve Bannon on two counts of contempt of Congress.

The obstruction count is one of the offenses Garland’s office likely will file against Trump

As evidence mounts that Trump supporters cannot get a fair trial in Washington—surveys of prospective jurors conducted by defense counsel show a heavy bias against January 6 protesters—D.C. District Court judges have denied each change of venue motion. Coverage of the January 6 select committee hearings undoubtedly has amplified that bias, especially for high-profile defendants such as members of the Oath Keepers. The committee has focused on the roles of both the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, airing videos of their conduct that day and attempting to tie these alleged militias to Donald Trump

A week after a former member of the Oath Keepers testified before a televised hearing in July, defense attorneys representing the Oath Keepers filed another motion to delay the trial and move it out of D.C. “The main point we have to consider is that you have a congressional committee that goes out and paints the Oath Keepers as white supremacists,” one defense attorney explained to Judge Amit Mehta, another Obama appointee.


Mehta rejected the argument and took umbrage at another attorney’s suggestion the committee’s work was political. “This is not a forum to express your political views or your views about the motivations of the committee,” Mehta scolded. “I don’t think they’re hosting the hearings just to interrupt this trial.”

He denied the motion; the first Oath Keepers trial begins next month. It’s possible the Justice Department will charge Trump for conspiracy for allegedly working with the “militias” to attack the Capitol.

This is the legal and judicial circle of hell now fired up to come for President Trump—a vengeful Justice Department run by Obama loyalists working with a weaponized FBI to bring criminal charges against hundreds of Trump supporters who then face the wrath of enraged judges of both political parties. There is no way out.

And at this point, there’s no way out for Merrick Garland, either. Democrats have raised expectations that Trump soon will be in handcuffs; failure to do so will result in a harsh backlash by their own voters this fall. After six years of promises, Democrats better deliver the goods on Trump or face intra-party revolt.

Americans should prepare for the inevitable—the unprecedented sight of a former president pleading not guilty to crimes he is alleged to have committed by a Justice Department run by his successor and potential rival in the next presidential election.

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One can only imagine the big smile on Beryl Howell’s face.

Beryl Howell is a Judin.
 

NCGirl

Veteran Member
I'm trying to imagine a scenario where Trump is perp walked in handcuffs for all the world to see, and the events sure to follow that infamous occasion.
What events that follow? Sure there will be a bunch of angry people pounding away at their keyboards and some will go out and wave Trump flags. Is it possible more will happen? Maybe but I kinda doubt it. Human nature is pretty predictable.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just a thought here:

They gave Trump back his passport. While a judge can order it seized, giving it back MAY MEAN, they don't figure he will run, or that they don't have enough to make him want to run.

I hear Fiji is pretty this time of year.
 

To-late

Membership Revoked
I remember that many here warned about going to DC, and said it was a setup.

We were right.

Let .fedgov make the first move and let us retain the moral high ground.
I believe they have already made the first move. And the second , and the third, etc…
The “moral high ground” is starting to seem like a cage.
A cage that is holding all us moral people, to the fire.
 

PghPanther

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Monica to Clinton as .........Jared to Trump = Gotcha!!!!

Now due some digging under those those stories.........surprise surprise as Gomer would say.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
They gave Trump back his passport. While a judge can order it seized, giving it back MAY MEAN, they don't figure he will run, or that they don't have enough to make him want to run.
They desperately want him to run. But he won't.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
Even if (which I doubt) Trump was guilty of anything, sending a herd of heavily armed men to serve a warrant is 100% show time. There was absolutely no need for that type of armed invasion. First of all, Trump was in New York so who did they think would warrant such a heavy attack? It's all Democrat's drama to threaten Trump and all who support him of what happens to those to disagree with the Democrats.

News Flash: The Democrats do not care about justice, they only care about their power to persecute anyone who dares to disagree with them. They have weaponized the FBI, DOJ and IRS to "get us". Defunding the police is part of the whole scheme. It's not paranoia -- they ARE out to get us.
 

cowboy

Veteran Member
So, if Trump goes to jail what does the SS do, sit outside of his cell?
I guess that would go for the rest that don't meet a firing squad.
 

KFhunter

Veteran Member
So, if Trump goes to jail what does the SS do, sit outside of his cell?
I guess that would go for the rest that don't meet a firing squad.

I'd guess they'd become his jailers with a house arrest during the trial, if guilty, he wouldn't get SS protections anymore.

Just a WAG
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
So, if Trump goes to jail what does the SS do, sit outside of his cell?
I guess that would go for the rest that don't meet a firing squad.
No, they'd be transferred, in time for Trump to get Scaliaed when the cameras were mysteriously all broken and both guards were passed out drunk.
 
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