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Trump's leaving office now — and businesses are leaving him. Can his toxic brand survive?
This is certainly not what Trump had in mind when he ran for the highest office in the land.
Jan. 19, 2021, 4:30 AM EST / Updated Jan. 19, 2021, 6:19 AM EST
By Zach Everson
Reading the news this month has been like binge-watching a bizarro version of "The Apprentice." One by one, banks, real estate brokers, a law firm, Shopify, the city of New York and even the Girl Scouts have told President Donald Trump, in various ways, "You're fired."

Banks, real estate brokers, a law firm, Shopify, the city of New York and even the Girl Scouts have told President Donald Trump, in various ways, “You’re fired.”

These are organizations that, in various ways, stuck by Trump after he called Mexican immigrants "rapists," after the emergence of the "Access Hollywood" tape, after more than two dozen women accused him of sexual misconduct, after his travel ban targeted Muslim-majority countries, after he suggested that white supremacists can be "very fine people" and after years of making the similar bogus claims about widespread voter fraud that incited the mob attack on the U.S. Capitol.

What's changed, of course, is that Donald Trump lost the presidency.

But while the courage these Trump business partners mustered is late and opportunistic, their defections are part of a longer trend that's likely to leave the Trump Organization flailing for capital. Trump has been in similar financial peril before — and managed to snatch a lifesaver each time. But in the past, he wasn't also battling a personal and professional brand that over the past four years has become increasingly toxic.

This is certainly not what Trump had in mind when he ran for the highest office in the land. Indeed, he and his family have spent the past several years leveraging the presidency to help their business empire — even selling soap wrapped in paper emblazoned with "Trump Hotels" but showing the White House.

Yet having such close personal and professional ties cuts both ways. Some companies did publicly jettison the Trump brand after those earlier outrages (to say nothing of the tens of millions of Americans who've probably ruled out a night at a Trump hotel). For example, NPR counted 20 groups that canceled on Mar-a-Lago in the two weeks after Trump vouched for the character of marchers at the "Unite the Right" rally in Virginia. And companies such as Nordstrom and Hudson's Bay dropped Ivanka Trump's fashion line after the Grab Your Wallet campaign pushed for a boycott (her company later shuttered).

And his losing the presidency seems bound to slash U.S. government and Republican political campaign spending at Trump's properties — two client groups that weren't big patrons of Trump's businesses before his political dodder. While Trump's government has been secretive about its payments to his companies, what little data it has shared show that the president's businesses have "billed the government at least $2.5 million," David Fahrenthold reported for The Washington Post. Meanwhile, ProPublica's tally of campaign finance reports calculates more than $21 million in spending by political groups at Trump properties (much of it from Trump's own campaign). Such disbursements seem unlikely to continue.

Similarly, companies and associations looking to curry favor with officials has proven to be another lucrative market segment that's likely to dry up. T-Mobile executives' bookings at Trump International Hotel Washington, D.C., spiked after the company needed government signoff for its planned merger with Sprint. About $195,000 in payments to the hotel and one approved merger later, its CEO published a Facebook post arguing against re-electing Trump. Expect that kind of 180 to become a trend in 2021.

Companies and associations looking to curry favor with officials has proven to be another lucrative market segment that’s likely to dry up.

While it got a lot of attention in the aftermath of the riot at the Capitol, Deutsche Bank — one of the few major financial institutions that has been willing to lend to Trump since a string of four bankruptcy filings in the early 1990s — also has been trying to extricate itself from him for some time.

Trump owes the German bank about $340 million. It comes due in the next three years, and he has personally guaranteed the loans, meaning his signature move — filing for bankruptcy and walking away — is a less likely option.

"Deutsche Bank recognized early on that their relationship with Trump was pretty toxic and something they regretted, but I don't think they saw an early way out," David Enrich, business investigations editor at The New York Times and author of "Dark Towers: Deutsche Bank, Donald Trump, and an Epic Trail of Destruction," told me. "Once it became clear he was about to lose power, they took more concrete steps."

Among the steps Enrich cited was to push out Trump's primary banker and booster, Rosemary Vrablic, in December. "Around that time, the bank decided never again to do business with Trump," Enrich said. "That preceded the riots that Trump helped incite, but it reflects the great reputational damage that the bank's relationship with Trump had already caused."

(And as Enrich notes in "Dark Towers," Deutsche Bank's previous customers have included the Nazi party and Jeffrey Epstein.)

As for what happens with the loans, Enrich said sources inside the bank have told him that selling them before maturity isn't an option. "Their expectation is that they are going to get their money back," Enrich said, adding that Trump could raise the cash by selling assets or borrowing from non-mainstream lenders outside the formal U.S. banking system.

In the event that Trump doesn't repay Deutsche Bank, Enrich said, its possible recourses include pursuing the debt in the courts or selling the loans to a vulture institution that is willing to play hardball with Trump.

Against this backdrop, the PGA's terminating its agreement to play its 2022 championship at Trump Bedminster in New Jersey adds considerable insult to injury. (The next day, the organizer of the British Open stated that it also has no plans to host a championship at Trump Turnberry in Scotland, a position it doesn't expect to change for the foreseeable future.)

Not acting against opponents of civil rights seeded the insurrection we face today

While personally and symbolically devastating, the announcements also will hurt Trump from a business standpoint. Trump Golf includes 17 finished properties. Two of them, Doral and Turnberry, are iconic courses (a status they enjoyed before Trump's ownership). The 2022 PGA Championship would have been the first men's major that Bedminster had hosted, both elevating its standing and providing a four-day, nationally televised Trump-infomercial (so, kind of like the 2020 Republican National Convention — but without as much yelling).

Now, Trump Bedminster will remain best known as the place Jared and Ivanka snuck off to during the pandemic.

Then again, Trump's ability to blast himself out of financial sand traps can't be discounted. After having parlayed his inheritance into massive loans and bankruptcies, Trump emerged as a made-for-TV tycoon, an image he leveraged into marketing deals, endorsements and the launch of an unaccredited institution of higher learning. And when revenue from those ventures faded, he took over the Republican Party and then the executive branch.

As for how Trump grapples with hundreds of millions in debt, a dearth of professionals willing to work with him on legal and financial matters, and office space vacated by the Girls Scouts? Stay tuned — possibly to Trump TV.
 

Betty_Rose

Veteran Member
Another editorial designed to destroy him.

Donald Trump is also the man who has engaged in countless acts of charity and compassion. He said years ago that the only reason he’d consider a presidential run is if the country was in very bad shape.

I don’t doubt that Trump had some sexual improprieties in his history but he was not a pedophile.

Joe Biden is a pedophile and he should never have been allowed into political office.
 

TKO

Veteran Member
Boycotts don't work in the long run, or even short run. Economics and expediency will out. They are passing storms, akin to temper tantrums in a 2 year-old.

Trump has beaten better, then laughed. Repeatedly.
Boycotts work for the left. Businesses cave to the left if a boycott is even mentioned. Remember Ivanka Trump's clothing line? Boycott sure worked there.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Looking at the companies cutting ties with Trump, they were probably going to anyway. Nordstrom is a disaster right now thanks to the lockdowns. The City of New York is so far in arrears the light from solvency will take years to reach it. Deutsche Bank is inches from collapse. Last I knew, anyway....
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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If they complete the steal, everything will go in the crapper.

Luxury brands will be reimagined.

I expect Trump will re-flag his hotels while retaining ownership of the property to ride out the mess, hoping to pick up the pieces at some point.

He may even cash out, build a war chest and start from scratch when things change.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Looking at the companies cutting ties with Trump, they were probably going to anyway. Nordstrom is a disaster right now thanks to the lockdowns. The City of New York is so far in arrears the light from solvency will take years to reach it. Deutsche Bank is inches from collapse. Last I knew, anyway....

Yeah. They'll claim it is a boycott or whatever when in reality their business is the one in the toilet. Spin, spin, spin, spin ....
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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Realistically over half the country still likes him. Trying to use the cancel culture thing against him is not going to work.

This. The problem is the advertisers. On the other hand golfers are going to golf and we get a lot of international types that come into this country just for that. Of course ... covid. Hopefully Trump's businesses have a cash position so that they can survive whatever Biden throws at this country because sure as heck alot of businesses won't.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That strikes me as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. I’m hoping he buys a bunch of land and starts a new sovereign nation.

I’d move in a second.

I think more than trump will do the same. Trump at this point I would suspect is waiting for the dust to settle before he does too much. He has enough capital to form his own bank and could literally bank with conservatives independently of those going after him. The possibilities are endless really, but we need to pay attention to what is happening to him and see where he goes. I would compare him to the canary in the coal mine and a picture of what might happen to others soon...
 

CathyC

Senior Member
I sometimes think “they” may literally capture and arrest Trump for a made-up charge, and keep him in jail without bail and open fire on anyone who tries to get in their way. Then Epstein him.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
I think more than trump will do the same. Trump at this point I would suspect is waiting for the dust to settle before he does too much. He has enough capital to form his own bank and could literally bank with conservatives independently of those going after him. The possibilities are endless really, but we need to pay attention to what is happening to him and see where he goes. I would compare him to the canary in the coal mine and a picture of what might happen to others soon...
He has enough capital to form his own bank

What makes you think that? I expect there is a lien on every bit of 'loose' capital he has. The banking industry is after him and I don't see them letting him go free.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
“they” may literally capture and arrest Trump

Anyone can be had by anyone who is willing and able to pay the price.

You can walk right up and pluck an occupied wasp nest if you want to, but few people will do so. :D
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
He has enough capital to form his own bank

What makes you think that? I expect there is a lien on every bit of 'loose' capital he has. The banking industry is after him and I don't see them letting him go free.

All you need to found a bank is a million dollars cash and a little paperwork...
 

ArisenCarcass

Veteran Member
“they” may literally capture and arrest Trump

Anyone can be had by anyone who is willing and able to pay the price.

You can walk right up and pluck an occupied wasp nest if you want to, but few people will do so. :D

That is what my father always used to tell me growing up, when I asked why people let the politicians get away with so much.
He always said that people just hadn't lost enough, and didn't have any strength in their convictions.

If the 6th-diots had done it on the 20th, we could have had an old fashioned French Realignment.
The meme world was fire stating that the COVID checks couldn't pay rent, but they could built Madame Guillotine.
 

Knoxville's Joker

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yup and when he filed, he'd find that his papers got 'lost'.

Actually at the million dollar level that changes enforcement and embezzlement becomes a serious thing. I doubt they would get lost. And I would suspect tracers would get put in the bills to track things too...
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Trump mentally and physically divorced himself from the business when he decided to run for president. After having this election stolen from him, I suspect his mind is on things other than the business. I doubt that he'll ever want to go back to how it was before becoming president.

He probably has some billionaire friends who wouldn't mind doing business with him.
 

Bps1691

Veteran Member

Trump's leaving office now — and businesses are leaving him. Can his toxic brand survive?

Asking the wrong question Troke.... it should be

.... "Can the Demon-crat toxic brand survive?"

Trump is only a single man. One with his own issues and failings. His movement was there before him and will be there after he has gone.

It roared as the Reagan revolution, came again as the Tea Party gains in 2009. It roared again in the 2016 elections. That pent up base of anger is seething again and is ready to erupt again. Not because of the orange man, he was just the face of it as Reagan was. No its in peoples hearts, mind and soul.

It is still there and the current actions of the Demon-crats has it smoldering and its ideas taking root in many more people each day.

The Demon-crat party is made of men and women who have obviously turned away from the historic good concepts that made America unique and special in this world many decades ago. It is at its worst now.

They've been in power across selected areas of this country for 50 years or more. Every city they control is corrupt and broken clear down to its base infrastructure. In human quality of life purposes, they have failed miserably everywhere they have been.

Professing their love for the little guy, yet have totally destroyed their controlled area's opportunities for the average person to live safely and have reasonably paying employment. Taxes are out of control, yet nothing of importance or worth gets done for the average citizen. Only the elites prosper and then only if they are affiliated with the party of hate.

They live on building conflicts and hatred between races, between classes and draw a terrible cost in quality of life from the vast majority who live under their rule.

The businesses and working people have been fleeing them for decades to areas of freedom and opportunity.

Oh, the connected and elites have greatly prospered. Good example is the Pelosi's who on her government salary have accumulated hundreds of millions, own several fancy properties, yet the normal person can't afford to live in their crime ridden, polluted, city.

Chicago is another example of the failed demon-crat brand. As long as the black crime waves stays out of the elites areas, why their more than happy to left them kill each other in record numbers and live in substandard government paid for housing.

The demon-crats also control the educational systems for these blighted areas as well. Be a minority or poor child and you'll be taught that you are a victim and that no matter your actions, you are not responsible.

Your not taught history or morality, you are indoctrinated into the group think that pushes a failed dogma instead of training to prepare you to prosper in the world. Of course huge amounts of money flow into these centers of destruction, all extracted from hard working tax payers, but much of that flows directly into the pockets of the connected elite vendors and teacher unions so that a significant taste of the pirated booty can be given back to the crooked politicians as "campaign contributions".

It is so bad that to win the last election they had to use a corrupted media shrilly spouting lies and propaganda 24/7/365, illegal spying, doxing and shutting off the means of social communications and out right theft of the election through vote fraud to squeak out their win. They lost house seats to barely have a majority and had to steal 3 senate seats to get control of the senate by 1 vote.

With their snap impeachment with no evidence presented and with ample evidence that they are dead wrong, they've impeached a president that was in the final days of his term. Now they are going ahead with the trial in the Senate in an unconstitutional (he's out of office) and bogus effort to bare him from running again. That my friends is fear deep down into their diapers.

With what they have clearly said they are going to do, unless the completely lock down the people, how in the world will they face the already pent up anger plus that they are causing each and ever day of their illegal reign?

They are at the very edge of starting a real revolution. It won't be large efforts, it will be one or two well trained individuals who will start the flood with their actions.

So again I ask ... "Can the Demon-crat toxic brand survive?"
 

AlfaMan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nice little hit piece, the OP.

After 4 years in the WH and 75 million hardcore Trump supporters, probably the last thing Pres Trump wants to do is go back into business. He's played and won on the biggest stage in the land; that of presidential politics. The business world to him is small potatoes now.

I see Pres Trump either buying a network already in place, or building his own from scratch. With the joke the mainstream media has become a network presenting conservative values and morally decent programming would be an instant hit. Companies would flock to his network to advertise.
In addition, Pres Trump would have a worldwide bully pulpit to promote conservative ideals, conservative candidates and conservative politics because he's been there and got the T shirt.

Even though comrade Joe and the whore stole the election, Pres Trump is still my president and I'd support him in anything he does. Especially if it hurts the communists.
 

Seeker22

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nice little hit piece, the OP.

After 4 years in the WH and 75 million hardcore Trump supporters, probably the last thing Pres Trump wants to do is go back into business. He's played and won on the biggest stage in the land; that of presidential politics. The business world to him is small potatoes now.

I see Pres Trump either buying a network already in place, or building his own from scratch. With the joke the mainstream media has become a network presenting conservative values and morally decent programming would be an instant hit. Companies would flock to his network to advertise.
In addition, Pres Trump would have a worldwide bully pulpit to promote conservative ideals, conservative candidates and conservative politics because he's been there and got the T shirt.

Even though comrade Joe and the whore stole the election, Pres Trump is still my president and I'd support him in anything he does. Especially if it hurts the communists.
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