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Trump says he will seek to eliminate daylight saving time​

The Senate passed a bill with broad bipartisan support in 2022 that would have made daylight saving time permanent instead.
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Trump says he will seek to eliminate daylight saving time

The Senate passed a bill with broad bipartisan support in 2022 that would have made daylight saving time permanent instead.
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Dec. 13, 2024, 3:04 PM CST
By Alexandra Marquez

President-elect Donald Trump on Friday said he and Republicans would seek to permanently eliminate daylight saving time when he takes office.

In a post on TruthSocial, Trump wrote: "The Republican Party will use its best efforts to eliminate Daylight Saving Time, which has a small but strong constituency, but shouldn’t! Daylight Saving Time is inconvenient, and very costly to our Nation."

Two of Trump's top advisers, tech mogul Elon Musk and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy, whom the president-elect has tapped to lead a new Department of Government Efficiency, have also floated the idea of eliminating time changes.

"Looks like the people want to abolish the annoying time changes!" Musk wrote on X last month.
Ramaswamy replied to him, writing, "It’s inefficient & easy to change."
Donald Trump Jr., the president-elect's son, also replied to Musk's post but seemed to share an opposite position from his father's.

"Leave it daylight savings time always," Trump Jr. wrote, adding in several emojis of the number "100," signifying his agreement with Musk.

The younger Trump's position is consistent with a bill the Senate passed in 2022 that would have made daylight saving time permanent beginning the following year.

Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., backed the proposal again in 2023 after it stalled in the House. Trump has said he will nominate Rubio to be his next Secretary of State. It's unclear who would replace him if he is confirmed, but Lara Trump, the president-elect's daughter-in-law, has been floated as a potential candidate.

The 2022 bill was co-sponsored by a bipartisan group of senators, including Sens. James Lankford, R-Okla., Ron Wyden, D-Ore., Cindy Hyde-Smith, R-Miss., Rick Scott, R-Fla., Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., and Ed Markey, D-Mass.

The Trump campaign did not immediately respond to questions from NBC News clarifying whether Trump seeks to eliminate daylight saving time or make it permanent.

Daylight saving time began in the U.S. in 1918 to save energy during the World War I, but certain parts of the country have eschewed the practice. Hawaii and some parts of Arizona do not participate in daylight saving time.
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I have always said "Move the dang time a half hour and never move it again.."
 

Cotton blocks Trump-backed effort to make daylight saving time permanent​

Sen. Tom Cotton wasn’t fast enough in 2022 to block Senate passage of legislation that would make daylight saving time permanent. Three years later, he wasn’t about to repeat that same mistake.

The Alabama (edited to add Arkansas. Apparently, POLITICO doesn't have a copy editor...) Republican was on hand Tuesday afternoon to thwart a bipartisan effort on the chamber floor to pass a bill that would put an end to changing the clocks twice a year, including this coming Sunday.

“If permanent Daylight Savings Time becomes the law of the land, it will again make winter a dark and dismal time for millions of Americans,” said Cotton in his objection to a request by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.) to advance the bill by unanimous consent.

“For many Arkansans, permanent daylight savings time would mean the sun wouldn’t rise until after 8:00 or even 8:30am during the dead of winter,” Cotton continued. “The darkness of permanent savings time would be especially harmful for school children and working Americans.”

A cross-party coalition of lawmakers has been trying for years to make daylight saving time the default, which would result in more daylight in the evening hours with less in the morning, plus bring to a halt to biannual clock adjustments.

President Donald Trump endorsed the concept this spring, calling the changing of the clocks “a big inconvenience and, for our government, A VERY COSTLY EVENT!!!”

His comments coincided with a hearing, then a markup, of Scott’s legislation in the Senate Commerce Committee. It set off an intense lobbying battle in turn, pitting the golf and retail industries — which are advocating for permanent daylight saving time — against the likes of sleep doctors and Christian radio broadcasters — who prefer standard time.

Joined by Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) in calling for the Senate to pass the bill Tuesday, Scott cited states’ rights as a major reason for his support for the so-called “Sunshine Protection Act.”

“It allows the people of each state to choose what best fits their needs and the needs of their families,” said Scott. “The American people are sick and tired of changing their clocks twice a year. It’s confusing, unnecessary and completely outdated.”

There was hope earlier this year that momentum was growing for the quixotic legislative campaign after progress stalled following senators’ success in 2022 to pass a version of Scott’s bill by unanimous consent — an outcome typically reserved for noncontroversial bills that took lawmakers by surprise.

Cotton on Tuesday decried the “abject failure” of the last time Congress enacted permanent daylight saving time in 1974, pledging to always oppose legislation that would do just that.

He said he took “full responsibility” for dropping the ball in 2022, explaining he hadn’t adequately communicated the extent of his opposition and that he had expected another senator to object.
 
When Nixon eliminated standard time (made DST "permanent") he got all kinds of flack because kids were waiting for the bus in the dark (I won't say that had anything to do with the color of the kids). My position then and now was change the hours of school. Still, I would have been happier to see DST eliminated entirely--go with Standard Tine. But what the hell. Make us all Greenwich time for all I care. We can set out clocks and schedules to meet our needs.

I think all clocks in Russia are on Moscow time. Time was all clocks in Antarctica were on New Zealand time. Time is arbitrary. . . changing it twice a year is nuts.
 
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Dennis Olson said:
Speaking for myself, I'd rather he eliminate standard time. At least with daylight savings its light later in the evenings.
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You get exactly the same amount of daylight either way. If you go with permanent DST parents will complain about their children going to school in the dark. Summer hours and winter hours like was done for a couple of hundred years. Strongly encourage schools and government offices to adjust their hours too. Let the marketplace decide.
 
feralferret said:
You get exactly the same amount of daylight either way. If you go with permanent DST parents will complain about their children going to school in the dark. Summer hours and winter hours like was done for a couple of hundred years. Strongly encourage schools and government offices to adjust their hours too. Let the marketplace decide.
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Government offices got hours?
 
I would prefer standard time and leave the clocks alone. However, if daylight savings time must be had by summer sun lovers then turn it off during winter and change the clocks as needed.
 
1911user said:
I would prefer standard time and leave the clocks alone. However, if daylight savings time must be had by summer sun lovers then turn it off during winter and change the clocks as needed.
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I am happy to trade 10 pm daylight in July for 6 pm daylight in December. I don't know how many times I've gone to watch Fourth of July fireworks only to have them not start until 10:30 at night because that's the first it gets dark.
 
feralferret said:
That will really complicate transportation and communications with the rest of the world.
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Doesn't seem to have affected India that much. UTC +5:30 and they're one of the largest tech partner nations in the world and a growing manufacturing hub, both of which presumably rely fairly heavily on communication and/or transportation with the rest of the world.
 
Sportsman said:
Noon should be when the sun is directly overhead. Ignore all these arguments
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You should look up the history of railroad schedules sometime. Local noon meant changing watches and clocks every few miles and you were never quite sure when the train would arrive or depart.

I believe India and China have one universal time for their entire countries (at least the main parts).
 
I lived through the Standard Time all year experiment (to save oil during the oil crises) and yes it was a bummer as a first year college student to start classes in the dark. However, the huge problems they had back then, that caused the return to Daylight Savings times, were mostly in the far Northern and then mostly rural States were kids were walking a mile or three to the bus stop through snow, ice and dark; then standing there in the dark. That was dangerous, a lot of rural bus stops didn't have shelters of any type and had kids standing on a dark highway. Sitting targets for a large truck or other large vehicle, to potentially run them over.

While I am sure that situation still exists in some area, most kids no longer walk two to three miles through the snow and dark to catch the school bus. I also suspect that these days, due to the potential for law suits, school districts would be much more open to simply changing the start times at least for the earlier grades, in places where this is an issue. Counties would also be more likely to either move stops or add simple shelters, again because their insurance companies might force them to, if for no other reason.

In other words, not only does the rural agricultural block no longer have as big a voice when it comes to influence in Congress (especially the small, family farms) but the culture has changed enough that potential solutions are likely to be put in place rather than the situation simply ignore. The lawsuit culture in the US has a lot to answer for, but it has improved a few things and this is one of them.

But I honestly don't care which they pick in the US or Europe but for goodness sake pick one! The majority of people in the EU voted to stop the time changes several years ago and nothing has changed. So much for democracy. I do have to wonder who "benefits" from the time changes? I know why they happened originally, but we no longer live in that world on either side of the water.
 
I like it just like it is. Keeping it the same all year long would mean lots of people either driving to work in the dark or driving home in the dark. Yes, it takes a few days to get use to the change but it's not that bad.

If I had to pick one, it would be daylight savings time year round.
 
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WalknTrot said:
Simple. For safety considerations, adjust the time that school starts so it stays consistent from Sept. to May.

As country kids, we stood at the side of a busy U.S. Highway to wait for the bus at 6:10 am in N MN. Haha..up here, it's still pitch dark at 7:10 am in the winter. Central Time doesn't help much. Daylight is still darned scarce.
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I use to walk and wait with my two kids at the bus stop in the mornings daylight or dark. There was no way I could wave bye to them from the front door. When I started working they went to before and after child care until responsible enough to be home alone for a few hours.
 
Southside said:
There is or was a country in Asia that was 1/2 an hour different than all the others in the 90's.
Don't know if it ever changed.
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Had the time.

What countries have a half-hour time difference?


India is a half-hour ahead of Pakistan to the west and a half-hour behind Bangladesh to the east. Iran is a half-hour ahead of its western neighbor Iraq while Afghanistan, just east of Iran, is an hour ahead of Iran but is a half-hour behind neighboring countries such as Turkmenistan and Pakistan.
 
auxman said:
NEW: Congress is moving to make Daylight Savings Time PERMANENT year round.
About time!

RT 0:29
https://twitter.com/x/status/2013261016545538423
View: https://twitter.com/i/status/2013261016545538423
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Eff Congress. Not all of us want this.

I hate, loathe and absolutely abhor DST. Damned stupid time. I don't need it to be light until late at night. There are these things called lights in our houses that are lit by electricity.

Grrr...just another reason to dislike Congress, as if I didn't already.
 
Shooter said:
if your worried about kids walking to school in the dark, change the time school starts.
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Yes ...

I remember walking to the bus stop in the dark at 8 years old, with the coyotes yipping (what seemed like) very close by.

Kids going to school is an incredibly lame reason to keep this in effect.

I'd be really curious as to his true agenda
 
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