WAR trouble brewing again in ukraine
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Update: The north of Donetsk is under heavy fire. Airport and surrounding counties.
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Update: The north of Donetsk is under heavy fire. Airport and surrounding counties.
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Update: Ukraine: Sea Breeze 2021: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel General Ruslan Khomchak: 1500 Ukrainian Servicemen, 24 units of ships and boats, 17 planes, dozens of weapons and military equipment will take part in the drill.
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Update: Ukraine: Sea Breeze 2021: Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Colonel General Ruslan Khomchak: 1500 Ukrainian Servicemen, 24 units of ships and boats, 17 planes, dozens of weapons and military equipment will take part in the drill.
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You can follow the official Sea Breeze 2021 Twitter account here
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The exercises will cover a fairly large area in southern Ukraine and will be held in Odesa, Ochakiv, the Dniester estuary, Kinburn Spit, Zmiinyi and Pervomaisky islands, the Danube Delta and other areas.
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What could possibly go wrong with this
View: https://mobile.twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1410260467914846215
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Never heard of this site, so do not know how reliable it is...
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The United States accused Russia of attacking American and Ukrainian warships in the Black Sea
02 July 2021
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(Cross posted in other Russia thread also)
США обвинили Россию в атаке на американские и украинские боевые корабли в Черном море
В ходе проведения военных учений НАТО в Черном море боевые корабли Альянса столкнулись с отказом систем радионавигации.
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The United States accused Russia of attacking American and Ukrainian warships in the Black Sea
02 July 2021
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(Cross posted in other Russia thread also)
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I don't think Russia will be happy...
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Uhhh Dude...WHY WHY are they doing that... ( rhetorical question) The ukes probly have dirt on bideeeen.
I swear were in so much trouble. I don't want to see or be involved in war.
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A war and A wedding feast will have there place in time.
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Cossack Divisions Now Threaten Kyiv the Way They Already Do Moscow
Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 18 Issue: 105
By: Paul Goble
July 1, 2021 08:07 PM Age: 4 days
Like the Russian Federation, Ukraine has created registered Cossack communities to integrate them into the state and society. That move has put these groups at odds with independent Cossack groups, some of which are opposed to such integration on principle and, in certain cases, are exploited by Moscow to weaken Ukraine. Crucially, however, Cossacks play a far more central role in Ukrainian life than they do in that of the Russian Federation. Some experts point out that Ukraine would not even be called “Ukraine” (which translates to “Borderlands”) were it not for the historical role of the Cossacks there; while others suggest the Cossacks define many of the inherent differences between Ukrainians and Russians to this day (Hromadske.ua, June 25, 2019; Ukraineworld.org, March 13, 2019). Consequently, splits among Cossacks in Ukraine—especially between those “registered” with the state (that is, officially recognized, whatever their exact relationship with the civil and military authorities) and all other groups—are not only fraught but deepening at the present time.
For Ukrainian officials, as for Russian ones, Cossacks are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, Cossacks and Cossack traditions play an important role in the definition of the nation and even in projecting power both into Ukraine by Russia and into Russia by Ukraine. (Perhaps five million Cossacks reside in the Russian Federation, and several million are found in Ukraine as well.) But on the other hand, and precisely because of their central importance, Kyiv like Moscow, has concluded it has no choice but to take greater control of the Cossacks by registering those it is confident will cooperate with the state. Yet this categorization sets the “registered” Cossacks apart from and often at odds with the Cossack groups that do not want to or cannot obtain such government recognition. The Russian authorities have been especially active in coopting its Cossacks and then used them against Ukraine (see EDM, June 25, 2019 and April 9, 2020). But Kyiv has responded in various ways. First, it has worked to expose the Cossacks Moscow has recruited to use in Ukraine’s Donbas and Crimea. Second, it is securing the backing of domestic Cossacks for Ukrainian national projects like the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Krymr.com, January 7, 2020; see EDM, March 19, 2019).
In doing so, however, the Ukrainian government increasingly faces many of the exact same problems Russia has been dealing with. Most importantly, Moscow’s efforts to deracinate Cossacks so that they can be used for Russia and against Ukraine has outraged numerous other Cossacks who see this policy as an attack on their distinctive nationhood (see EDM, February 20, 2018 and August 9, 2018). Not only are large numbers of Cossacks in Russia furious at Moscow for what it is doing, but many of them are now more willing to support nationalist agendas that may ultimately threaten the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation (see EDM, February 21, 2019).
As Russian commentator Valentin Lesnik observes, “Ukraine is a Cossack land, but only one Cossack host (the Zaporozhian) arose spontaneously by itself. All the remaining Cossack formations there were created by order of the Russian monarchs. Moreover, many of these Cossack areas overlapped what is now the Russian and Ukrainian border, which means many Cossacks in Ukraine are less Ukraine-focused than Kyiv would like to believe, and many identify in terms of Cossack communities that extend into Russia and are more Russified (Odnarodyna, June 20, 2021).
Kyiv has sought to overcome that by creating a registered Cossack system much like Russia’s, at least in intent. Today, there is a unified Ukrainian Registered Cossack organization, which functions on the basis of laws adopted in the early post-Soviet period. At the same time, however, more than 150 other Cossack groupings exist in the country. Some of them are large and some exist only on paper, but many are animated more by Cossack unity than by Ukrainian nationalism and are more sympathetic to Cossacks in Russia—and thus to Russia as well—than Kyiv would like. Such attitudes, Lesnik says, also infect the registered Cossacks of Ukraine; and as a result, Ukrainian regular army commanders reportedly are unwilling to make use of them in combat lest they fail to perform and cost the lives of other Ukrainian soldiers.
In March of this year, Hetman Anatoly Shevchenko, the head of Ukraine’s registered Cossacks, even complained to the Verkhovna Rada (national parliament) that many commanders ascribe to his men what they see among unregistered Cossacks and, thus, are reluctant to have them join their commands. Russian media, not surprisingly, has been playing up these concerns, both to undermine the unity of the Ukrainian forces and to promote fraternization between Cossacks in Ukraine and Cossacks in the Russian Federation. And writers like Lesnik contend that one sign of all this is that the roughly 20,000 Cossacks from Russia who came to fight in Crimea and Donbas vastly outnumber the Cossacks from Ukraine who have resisted them (Odnarodyna, June 20).
Indeed, there are suggestions even in the publications of the registered Cossacks that Kyiv views them less as a reliable military force than as a folkloric institution for show when foreign leaders come. Such suspicions, by their very nature, can feed on themselves, especially if accompanied (as now appears to be the case) by an intensified effort to “nationalize” the Cossacks in Ukraine. That approach will undoubtedly lead in Ukraine to what comparable policies have already led to in the Russian Federation: greater anger among both registered and unregistered Cossacks, increasing conflicts between them, and an expanded opportunity for outside powers to play on these frictions to weaken the country (Kozatstvo.net.ua, accessed July 1).
Moscow undoubtedly welcomes what is happening in Ukraine and even actively promotes it. But the Kremlin clearly fails to recognize that the same divisions are deepening at home and for the same reason—a heavy-handed approach to integrate a community whose current leaders define themselves in terms of the ideals of freedoms stolen from them in the past, however often some of their ancestors served the governments under which they live.
Cossack Divisions Now Threaten Kyiv the Way They Already Do Moscow
Like the Russian Federation, Ukraine has created registered Cossack communities to integrate them into the state and society. That move has put these groups at odds with independent Cossack groups, some of which are opposed to such integration on principle and, in certain cases, are exploited by...
Cossack Divisions Now Threaten Kyiv the Way They Already Do Moscow
Publication: Eurasia Daily Monitor Volume: 18 Issue: 105
By: Paul Goble
July 1, 2021 08:07 PM Age: 4 days
Like the Russian Federation, Ukraine has created registered Cossack communities to integrate them into the state and society. That move has put these groups at odds with independent Cossack groups, some of which are opposed to such integration on principle and, in certain cases, are exploited by Moscow to weaken Ukraine. Crucially, however, Cossacks play a far more central role in Ukrainian life than they do in that of the Russian Federation. Some experts point out that Ukraine would not even be called “Ukraine” (which translates to “Borderlands”) were it not for the historical role of the Cossacks there; while others suggest the Cossacks define many of the inherent differences between Ukrainians and Russians to this day (Hromadske.ua, June 25, 2019; Ukraineworld.org, March 13, 2019). Consequently, splits among Cossacks in Ukraine—especially between those “registered” with the state (that is, officially recognized, whatever their exact relationship with the civil and military authorities) and all other groups—are not only fraught but deepening at the present time.
For Ukrainian officials, as for Russian ones, Cossacks are a double-edged sword. On the one hand, Cossacks and Cossack traditions play an important role in the definition of the nation and even in projecting power both into Ukraine by Russia and into Russia by Ukraine. (Perhaps five million Cossacks reside in the Russian Federation, and several million are found in Ukraine as well.) But on the other hand, and precisely because of their central importance, Kyiv like Moscow, has concluded it has no choice but to take greater control of the Cossacks by registering those it is confident will cooperate with the state. Yet this categorization sets the “registered” Cossacks apart from and often at odds with the Cossack groups that do not want to or cannot obtain such government recognition. The Russian authorities have been especially active in coopting its Cossacks and then used them against Ukraine (see EDM, June 25, 2019 and April 9, 2020). But Kyiv has responded in various ways. First, it has worked to expose the Cossacks Moscow has recruited to use in Ukraine’s Donbas and Crimea. Second, it is securing the backing of domestic Cossacks for Ukrainian national projects like the autocephaly of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Krymr.com, January 7, 2020; see EDM, March 19, 2019).
In doing so, however, the Ukrainian government increasingly faces many of the exact same problems Russia has been dealing with. Most importantly, Moscow’s efforts to deracinate Cossacks so that they can be used for Russia and against Ukraine has outraged numerous other Cossacks who see this policy as an attack on their distinctive nationhood (see EDM, February 20, 2018 and August 9, 2018). Not only are large numbers of Cossacks in Russia furious at Moscow for what it is doing, but many of them are now more willing to support nationalist agendas that may ultimately threaten the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation (see EDM, February 21, 2019).
As Russian commentator Valentin Lesnik observes, “Ukraine is a Cossack land, but only one Cossack host (the Zaporozhian) arose spontaneously by itself. All the remaining Cossack formations there were created by order of the Russian monarchs. Moreover, many of these Cossack areas overlapped what is now the Russian and Ukrainian border, which means many Cossacks in Ukraine are less Ukraine-focused than Kyiv would like to believe, and many identify in terms of Cossack communities that extend into Russia and are more Russified (Odnarodyna, June 20, 2021).
Kyiv has sought to overcome that by creating a registered Cossack system much like Russia’s, at least in intent. Today, there is a unified Ukrainian Registered Cossack organization, which functions on the basis of laws adopted in the early post-Soviet period. At the same time, however, more than 150 other Cossack groupings exist in the country. Some of them are large and some exist only on paper, but many are animated more by Cossack unity than by Ukrainian nationalism and are more sympathetic to Cossacks in Russia—and thus to Russia as well—than Kyiv would like. Such attitudes, Lesnik says, also infect the registered Cossacks of Ukraine; and as a result, Ukrainian regular army commanders reportedly are unwilling to make use of them in combat lest they fail to perform and cost the lives of other Ukrainian soldiers.
In March of this year, Hetman Anatoly Shevchenko, the head of Ukraine’s registered Cossacks, even complained to the Verkhovna Rada (national parliament) that many commanders ascribe to his men what they see among unregistered Cossacks and, thus, are reluctant to have them join their commands. Russian media, not surprisingly, has been playing up these concerns, both to undermine the unity of the Ukrainian forces and to promote fraternization between Cossacks in Ukraine and Cossacks in the Russian Federation. And writers like Lesnik contend that one sign of all this is that the roughly 20,000 Cossacks from Russia who came to fight in Crimea and Donbas vastly outnumber the Cossacks from Ukraine who have resisted them (Odnarodyna, June 20).
Indeed, there are suggestions even in the publications of the registered Cossacks that Kyiv views them less as a reliable military force than as a folkloric institution for show when foreign leaders come. Such suspicions, by their very nature, can feed on themselves, especially if accompanied (as now appears to be the case) by an intensified effort to “nationalize” the Cossacks in Ukraine. That approach will undoubtedly lead in Ukraine to what comparable policies have already led to in the Russian Federation: greater anger among both registered and unregistered Cossacks, increasing conflicts between them, and an expanded opportunity for outside powers to play on these frictions to weaken the country (Kozatstvo.net.ua, accessed July 1).
Moscow undoubtedly welcomes what is happening in Ukraine and even actively promotes it. But the Kremlin clearly fails to recognize that the same divisions are deepening at home and for the same reason—a heavy-handed approach to integrate a community whose current leaders define themselves in terms of the ideals of freedoms stolen from them in the past, however often some of their ancestors served the governments under which they live.
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Update: Moscow calls NATO military exercise in Black Sea ‘Openly Anti-Russian’
Update: Russia arrests envoy from Estonia with secret documents. Update: US, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine in Military Exercise Targeting Belarus, Kaliningrad, Donbass Code-Named Three Swords 2021 Beginning July 17-30th.
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Update: Moscow calls NATO military exercise in Black Sea ‘Openly Anti-Russian’
Update: Russia arrests envoy from Estonia with secret documents. Update: US, Lithuania, Poland, Ukraine in Military Exercise Targeting Belarus, Kaliningrad, Donbass Code-Named Three Swords 2021 Beginning July 17-30th.
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UKRAINE: Reports a massive cyber attack hit Ukrainian governmental internet sites today. Web pages of Presidential Office, SBU, anti corruption agency NABU, State Bureau for Protection of Communications, State Investigation Agency and others were down. -
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UKRAINE: Reports a massive cyber attack hit Ukrainian governmental internet sites today. Web pages of Presidential Office, SBU, anti corruption agency NABU, State Bureau for Protection of Communications, State Investigation Agency and others were down. -
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Russia moves equipment away from training ground near Ukrainian border
Video footage and imagery sourced from social media and analysed by Janes between 13 July and 21 July appears to show that Russia has begun to withdraw equipment from a training ground in Voronezh, close to the Ukrainian border.
The equipment, which is assessed by Janes to belong to the Central Military District's 41 st Combined Arms Army, was deployed over thousands of kilometres from central Russia to Voronezh during a buildup of forces in March and April. Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed on 22 April that the 41 st Combined Arms Army's equipment would not return to central Russia until after it took part in ‘Zapad-2021', a large-scale Western Military District exercise scheduled to take place in September.
Videos and images analysed by Janes were all captured in the immediate vicinity of Maslovka railway station – one of the primary stations used by Russian forces to deliver equipment to the Pogonovo training ground during the March-April buildup. Two additional stations, Tresvyatskaya and Kolodeznaya, were also used to move equipment into Pogonovo, but as of 21 July Janes has not identified any movement out of these stations.
Videos and images posted to social media by multiple users on13 and 14 July show around 20 T-72-type main battle tanks, BAT-2 engineering vehicles, an MTU-72 armoured bridgelayer, and Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare systems either being loaded onto trains or parked next to the tracks at Maslovka. Meanwhile, images posted on 20 July show BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, 2S3 self-propelled howitzers, and Borisoglebsk-2 systems onboard trains at Maslovka, and at least three TOS-1A thermobaric multiple rocket launchers (MRLs), three TZM transloaders, three BM-21 Grad MRLs, and three MT-LB armoured personnel carriers parked next to the tracks, likely waiting to board trains.
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Video footage and imagery sourced from social media and analysed by Janes between 13 July and 21 July appears to show that Russia has begun to withdraw equipment from a training ground in Voronezh, close to the Ukrainian border.
The equipment, which is assessed by Janes to belong to the Central Military District's 41 st Combined Arms Army, was deployed over thousands of kilometres from central Russia to Voronezh during a buildup of forces in March and April. Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu claimed on 22 April that the 41 st Combined Arms Army's equipment would not return to central Russia until after it took part in ‘Zapad-2021', a large-scale Western Military District exercise scheduled to take place in September.
Videos and images analysed by Janes were all captured in the immediate vicinity of Maslovka railway station – one of the primary stations used by Russian forces to deliver equipment to the Pogonovo training ground during the March-April buildup. Two additional stations, Tresvyatskaya and Kolodeznaya, were also used to move equipment into Pogonovo, but as of 21 July Janes has not identified any movement out of these stations.
Videos and images posted to social media by multiple users on13 and 14 July show around 20 T-72-type main battle tanks, BAT-2 engineering vehicles, an MTU-72 armoured bridgelayer, and Borisoglebsk-2 electronic warfare systems either being loaded onto trains or parked next to the tracks at Maslovka. Meanwhile, images posted on 20 July show BMP-2 infantry fighting vehicles, 2S3 self-propelled howitzers, and Borisoglebsk-2 systems onboard trains at Maslovka, and at least three TOS-1A thermobaric multiple rocket launchers (MRLs), three TZM transloaders, three BM-21 Grad MRLs, and three MT-LB armoured personnel carriers parked next to the tracks, likely waiting to board trains.
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Russia moves equipment away from training ground near Ukrainian border
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Army gears up for Rapid Trident Exercise in Ukraine
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Sep 16, 09:15 AM
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A U.S. soldier provides security as part of the multi-national exercise Rapid Trident 2015 at the International Peacekeeping and Security Center in Yavoriv, Ukraine, July 29, 2015. (Sgt. 1st Class Walter E. van Ochten/Army)
Roughly 300 U.S. soldiers will join approximately 6,000 troops from 12 nations participating in an annual multinational training exercise in Ukraine later this month.
Rapid Trident 21 will take place from Sept. 20 through Oct. 1 and will prepare personnel from allied and partner nations for crisis response, according to a news release from U.S. Army Europe and Africa command.
Last year’s exercise only involved 4,100 personnel.
Soldiers from the Washington Army National Guard’s 81st Stryker Brigade Combat Team have been deployed in support of the Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine since April. They’ll be joined by 150 other Army representatives who will participate as mission enablers.
The exercise is the final phase of a longer annual training exercise, which seeks to better prepare Ukrainian land forces for real-world defense challenges.
The exercise is a part of ongoing efforts to improve defensive capabilities in Ukraine, according to the Army. It comes less than a month after Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s Aug. 31 meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the country’s defense minister, Andrii Taran.
The meeting focused on strengthening the strategic partnership between the two countries — particularly in the wake of the Donbas war and annexation of Crimea. During their rendezvous, Austin and Taran signed the U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Defense Framework.
The framework lays out bilateral defense goals and priorities set on a timeline running through 2026.
The framework’s strategic priorities include U.S. assistance in countering Russian activities, “including through a robust training and exercise program,” a primer document reads.
The laundry list of objectives aimed at boosting strategy and reform also spotlights cybersecurity and intelligence partnerships.
“The United States and our allies are committed to supporting Ukraine’s right to decide its own future foreign policy, free from outside interference,” Austin said in the August meeting.
September’s exercise will take place at the International Peacekeeping Security Centre near Yavoriv, Ukraine, and will follow COVID-19 safety measures, the news release said. Army gears up for Rapid Trident Exercise in Ukraine
By Leila Barghouty
Sep 16, 09:15 AM
Roughly 300 U.S. soldiers will join approximately 6,000 troops from 12 nations participating in an annual multinational training exercise in Ukraine later this month.
Rapid Trident 21 will take place from Sept. 20 through Oct. 1 and will prepare personnel from allied and partner nations for crisis response, according to a news release from U.S. Army Europe and Africa command.
Last year’s exercise only involved 4,100 personnel.
Soldiers from the Washington Army National Guard’s 81st Stryker Brigade Combat Team have been deployed in support of the Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine since April. They’ll be joined by 150 other Army representatives who will participate as mission enablers.
The exercise is the final phase of a longer annual training exercise, which seeks to better prepare Ukrainian land forces for real-world defense challenges.
The exercise is a part of ongoing efforts to improve defensive capabilities in Ukraine, according to the Army. It comes less than a month after Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s Aug. 31 meeting with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky and the country’s defense minister, Andrii Taran.
The meeting focused on strengthening the strategic partnership between the two countries — particularly in the wake of the Donbas war and annexation of Crimea. During their rendezvous, Austin and Taran signed the U.S.-Ukraine Strategic Defense Framework.
The framework lays out bilateral defense goals and priorities set on a timeline running through 2026.
The framework’s strategic priorities include U.S. assistance in countering Russian activities, “including through a robust training and exercise program,” a primer document reads.
The laundry list of objectives aimed at boosting strategy and reform also spotlights cybersecurity and intelligence partnerships.
“The United States and our allies are committed to supporting Ukraine’s right to decide its own future foreign policy, free from outside interference,” Austin said in the August meeting.
September’s exercise will take place at the International Peacekeeping Security Centre near Yavoriv, Ukraine, and will follow COVID-19 safety measures, the news release said. Army gears up for Rapid Trident Exercise in Ukraine
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Lukashenko says foreign troops deployed in Poland on Belarusian border
The president emphasized that Ukrainian border control officers had discovered weapon caches on the border with Belarus
MINSK, September 27. /TASS/. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has stressed that whole foreign troops corps are being deployed in Poland on the border with Belarus.
"It is clear that wherever you deploy troops in Poland it won’t be against Germany. Meanwhile, it is foreign troops, primarily US ones," he said on Monday as quoted by BelTA news agency. "We see Lithuania getting into every crack to prove their loyalty to NATO and the US. But the saddest thing is Ukraine. We have a new front opening."
According to Lukashenko, not only "training camps are created" in Ukraine "where Belarus operations, as intelligence services say, are being taught."
The president emphasized that Ukrainian border control officers had discovered weapon caches on the border with Belarus. "If these caches are for plans on the Ukrainian territory, don’t drag them to our border. They should hide them somewhere else. It’s clear, we see manifestations of unacceptable actions against Belarus. A lot has already been said about it," he added.
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The president emphasized that Ukrainian border control officers had discovered weapon caches on the border with Belarus
MINSK, September 27. /TASS/. Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko has stressed that whole foreign troops corps are being deployed in Poland on the border with Belarus.
"It is clear that wherever you deploy troops in Poland it won’t be against Germany. Meanwhile, it is foreign troops, primarily US ones," he said on Monday as quoted by BelTA news agency. "We see Lithuania getting into every crack to prove their loyalty to NATO and the US. But the saddest thing is Ukraine. We have a new front opening."
According to Lukashenko, not only "training camps are created" in Ukraine "where Belarus operations, as intelligence services say, are being taught."
The president emphasized that Ukrainian border control officers had discovered weapon caches on the border with Belarus. "If these caches are for plans on the Ukrainian territory, don’t drag them to our border. They should hide them somewhere else. It’s clear, we see manifestations of unacceptable actions against Belarus. A lot has already been said about it," he added.
Lukashenko says foreign troops deployed in Poland on Belarusian border
The president emphasized that Ukrainian border control officers had discovered weapon caches on the border with Belarus
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Kremlin says NATO expansion in Ukraine is a 'red line' for Putin
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Servicemen attend the "RAPID TRIDENT-2021" military exercise at Ukraine's International Peacekeeping Security Centre near Yavoriv in the Lviv region, Ukraine September 24, 2021. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich/File Photo
MOSCOW, Sept 27 (Reuters) - The Kremlin warned on Monday that any expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine would cross one of President Vladimir Putin's "red lines", and Belarus said it had agreed to take action with Moscow to counter growing NATO activity.
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, a close Moscow ally, accused the United States of setting up training centres in Ukraine which he said amounted to military bases. He said he had discussed the issue with Putin.
"It's clear we need to react to this...(We) agreed that we need to take some kind of measures in response," Lukashenko was quoted as saying by the RIA news agency.
Ukraine began joint military exercises with U.S. and other NATO member troops last week, while Russia and Belarus held large-scale drills that alarmed the West. read more
Ukraine, which is not a NATO member, has long sought closer ties with the West and its militaries. It has had fraught relations with Russia since Moscow annexed the Crimea peninsula in 2014 and backed separatists fighting in Ukraine's east.
Russia staunchly opposes the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine. It alarmed Ukraine and the West earlier this year by building up military forces near Ukraine's borders.
Asked what joint actions Lukashenko had been referring to, the Kremlin said: "These are actions that ensure the security of the two of our states."
"President Putin has repeatedly noted the issue of the potential broadening of NATO infrastructure on Ukrainian territory, and (he) has said this would cross those red lines that he has spoken about before," the Kremlin said.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba rejected the notion of a Russian "red line" outside of Russia's own borders, and said Kyiv had its own security to think about.
"Putin's 'red lines' are limited to Russia's borders," he tweeted. "On our side of the Ukrainian-Russian border we can figure out ourselves what to do in the interests of the Ukrainian people, as well as Ukraine's and Europe's security."
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Servicemen attend the "RAPID TRIDENT-2021" military exercise at Ukraine's International Peacekeeping Security Centre near Yavoriv in the Lviv region, Ukraine September 24, 2021. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich/File Photo
MOSCOW, Sept 27 (Reuters) - The Kremlin warned on Monday that any expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine would cross one of President Vladimir Putin's "red lines", and Belarus said it had agreed to take action with Moscow to counter growing NATO activity.
Belarusian President Alexander Lukashenko, a close Moscow ally, accused the United States of setting up training centres in Ukraine which he said amounted to military bases. He said he had discussed the issue with Putin.
"It's clear we need to react to this...(We) agreed that we need to take some kind of measures in response," Lukashenko was quoted as saying by the RIA news agency.
Ukraine began joint military exercises with U.S. and other NATO member troops last week, while Russia and Belarus held large-scale drills that alarmed the West. read more
Ukraine, which is not a NATO member, has long sought closer ties with the West and its militaries. It has had fraught relations with Russia since Moscow annexed the Crimea peninsula in 2014 and backed separatists fighting in Ukraine's east.
Russia staunchly opposes the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine. It alarmed Ukraine and the West earlier this year by building up military forces near Ukraine's borders.
Asked what joint actions Lukashenko had been referring to, the Kremlin said: "These are actions that ensure the security of the two of our states."
"President Putin has repeatedly noted the issue of the potential broadening of NATO infrastructure on Ukrainian territory, and (he) has said this would cross those red lines that he has spoken about before," the Kremlin said.
Ukrainian Foreign Minister Dmytro Kuleba rejected the notion of a Russian "red line" outside of Russia's own borders, and said Kyiv had its own security to think about.
"Putin's 'red lines' are limited to Russia's borders," he tweeted. "On our side of the Ukrainian-Russian border we can figure out ourselves what to do in the interests of the Ukrainian people, as well as Ukraine's and Europe's security."
Kremlin says NATO expansion in Ukraine is a 'red line' for Putin
The Kremlin warned on Monday that any expansion of NATO military infrastructure in Ukraine would cross one of President Vladimir Putin's "red lines", and Belarus said it had agreed to take action with Moscow to counter growing NATO activity.
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UKRAINE: Belarus and Russia have agreed to jointly "respond" to the deployment of NATO troops in Ukraine. Путин и Лукашенко обсудили размещение войск НАТО на Украине - РИА Новости, 27.09.2021
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UKRAINE: Belarus and Russia have agreed to jointly "respond" to the deployment of NATO troops in Ukraine. Путин и Лукашенко обсудили размещение войск НАТО на Украине - РИА Новости, 27.09.2021
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Nope but there could be cans of sunshine opened up.
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Ukraine’s top military commander lifts all restrictions on return fire in Donbass — media
View: https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1443085116713152515?s=20
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Update: Spokesman of the Minister of Coordinators of the Polish secret services Stanislaw Zharin: "Belarus is distributing military uniforms to migrants and we are expecting provocations."
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Update: Spokesman of the Minister of Coordinators of the Polish secret services Stanislaw Zharin: "Belarus is distributing military uniforms to migrants and we are expecting provocations."
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Ukraine’s top military commander lifts all restrictions on return fire in Donbass — media
View: https://twitter.com/Apex_WW/status/1443085116713152515?s=20
Uh oh......
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Grumphau
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They need to keep that quiet if they want to destroy any more...