Time is UP// Opinion on hyperinflation coming

[Metolius]

thanks for the reminder summerthyme. I have a year's worth of wormer, hay, and a supplement containing selenium (had one horse tie up due to the lack of se in the hay in our area and now give it regularly ). But I am rather light on my amounts of banamine, salt, leather pieces, etc.

Do you know of any inexpensive source of banamine? I have what I consider a basic "avoid a 60 mile trip" kit of meds, but if there are multiple injuries/inflams then I wouldn't have enough to go around, potentially. It was not cheap from the vet, and while I keep it past the exp. date, I have tossed more than I have ever used. Non-TSHTF of course style of riding, ie not pushing anyone like its life or death.

Sharon and LeafyForest - why do you let the food preps expire and then toss them? We have lost some here due to unexpected mice adventures/heat loss, but we rotate ours by using them in our meals daily.

Another thing summerthyme's post reminded me of - we now use Alleve daily for both of us and it makes a big difference. I didn't have that on my short list and I should. In fact, I am going to count all my pain killing/anti-inflam supplies and see where we are at. I think when I feel no pain, I sometimes forget how drug induced it is, lol. Isn't getting old fun?

 

[Dennis Olson]

Hyperinflation??

READ THIS:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1815342&postcount=13

 

[summerthyme]

Metolius... unfortunately, Banamine isn't cheap. I suspect you can get it CHEAPER through a vet catalog.. IF you can get your vet to write you a script for it. Some vets are fine with it (legally, they are supposed to be fine with it, but face it: they often get a good part of their income by resellling Rx drugs to their clients, and as long as ours doesn't gouge us- and he doesn't- I'm ok with that), some flat out refuse.. illegally, but what are you going to do?

Bute is a LOT cheaper, but can have issues with things like stomach ulcers. Actually, Banamine can do that, too.. even though it's injected. It's a normal hazard with any NSAID...

If I have to give Banamine or Bute to any animal more than once, I add licorice powder to their feed.. about 1 ounce a day. It's a very potent antiinflammatory itself, and acts systemically, but also works VERY well to help heal, soothe and reduce inflammation in the gut. Works on people with gastritis and ulcers, too! I need to check my supply.. I think I have a couple of pounds, but that wouldn't go far in the event of needing to have a horse on it for a couple of weeks..

And yes, ditto on the OTC meds that many of us use to get through the day! Working like we'll have to for pure survival after TSHTF, we'll need them more than ever. Consider stocking some Tiger Balm or BenGay (or your topical liniment of choice) as well... they don't really "cure" anything, but they sure can make you feel better after putting in too much of a day. Getting old-er sux! (but it beats the alternative!)

(oh, and I've used Banamine which was 4 years out of date and it worked fine. Be extra careful about your techinique when withdrawing the drug from the vial.. cleanse the rubber stopper, use a sterile needle etc (all standard and all usually ignored on most farms) and you won't introduce any contaminants. Kept in the dark at it's proper temperature (controlled room temp, IIRC) and it will keep a long time.)

Summerthyme

 

[Todd]

Let me throw in one soft prep (and, it's free) that hasn't been mentioned specifically - developing the proper mind-set. I may be a doomers, doomer but anything better then a total collapse of society is cause for celebration for me. Whereas, my guess is that the first ripple will cause the sheeple to go nuts and think and act irrationally.

It might be helpful if people memorized the S.T.O.P plan that is common to survival training:

"S" is for stop. take a deep breath, sit down if possible, calm yourself and recognize that whatever has happened to get you here is past and cannot be undone. You are now in a survival situation.

"T" is for think. Your most important survival asset is your brain. Use it! Don't panic! Move with deliberate care. Think first, so you have no regrets. Take no action, even a footstep, until you have thought it through. Unrecoverable mistakes and injuries, potentially deadly in a survival situation, occur when we act before we engage our brain. Then...

"O" is for observe. Take a look around you. Assess your situation and options. take stock of your supplies, equipment, surroundingss, your general capabilities and, if there are any, the capabilities of your fellow survivors. Are you the best eqyipped to lead in this new survival situation?

"P" is for plan. Prioritize your immediate needs and develop a plan to systematically deal with the emergency and contingencies. Then follow your plan. Adjust your plan only as necessary to deal with changing circumstances.

Great replies all around!

Todd

 

[Deena in GA]

Hmmm....I really don't understand throwing out food that's gone bad because you've had it for years. Are you not using and rotating? That's the key to good preparedness. Use and rotate - constantly. Don't stock up on food that you're not going to use in your every day life, unless it's some MRE's or such to bug out with.

We recently bought a new stock of towels. In the next week or two we're going to be buying washclothes and sheets. Today we're going to buy a new wheelbarrow, chain and sharpening kit for the chainsaw and rake. That's what we can see ourselves needing in the next year or so - and obviously it's cheaper to buy them now then later.

edited to correct the chainsaw stuff

 

[Sharon]

Hmmm....I really don't understand throwing out food that's gone bad because you've had it for years. Are you not using and rotating? That's the key to good preparedness. Use and rotate - constantly. Don't stock up on food that you're not going to use in your every day life, unless it's some MRE's or such to bug out with.

We recently bought a new stock of towels. In the next week or two we're going to be buying washclothes and sheets. Today we're going to buy a new wheelbarrow, chainsaw and rake. That's what we can see ourselves needing in the next year or so - and obviously it's cheaper to buy them now then later.

LOL Deena: Remember pre-y2k we were advised to have 300 lbs of flour, 300 lbs of sugar (which is still good) 200 pounds of this and 300 lbs of that, well, I'm sorry, but DH and I just haven't been able to use the 300 lbs of flour nor the 300 lbs of beans and the 200 lbs of rice...and no, we didn't use all the can goods. We will eat them so we bought them, but we prefer frozen so the hundreds+ of can goods didn't get used either.

Pre-y2k buying items you used was the best way to go, but stocking back then is a little different than the way we stock now.

 

[Freeholder]

Me too. I got them for Y2K and of course they are still packed. I am NOT looking forward to using them as TP, but it's better than the alternative, which is---well, I don't know!

Some places might have a good supply of suitable leaves or moss, but not here in the high desert. So I thought I'd better be prepared -- we don't have room to store a year's worth of TP, and even if we did, what would we do when that ran out?

Kathleen

 

[polar487]

Something I didn't see yet is baby stuff.

I have my newborn granddaughter living with us so I am stocking up on cloth diapers and also disposible ones too. Diaper wipes, baby forumula ( even tho her momma is breast feeding ), extra wash cloth's, baby bottles, diaper pins, plastic pants.....

The people at Wally world look at me strangely when I have a big load of baby stuff as I have a very gray beard and don't look like I could have a baby.

The other thing I will need is books!!!!! I don't need TV or radio, but I would really miss a book to read. Fortunately at my age, I read them and six months later i can't remember what they were about so I can reread them.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Polar

 

[eens]

Some places might have a good supply of suitable leaves or moss, but not here in the high desert. So I thought I'd better be prepared -- we don't have room to store a year's worth of TP, and even if we did, what would we do when that ran out?

Kathleen

I live in New England so I have plenty of leaves....but... many years ago I was out in the apple orchard, after dark and drinking beer... I was also reading The Clan of the Cave Bear at the time. I had to go, very unfortunately I used poison ivy leaves....... I am highly allergic to poison ivy...

So I bought wash clothes....

 

[eens]

So I bought wash clothes....

Oh yeah, I got them even though I have TONS of TP stored away in our barn. I heard on the unmentionable shortwave show this week that you should store only 'paper' toilet paper, not the extra fluffy soft stuff. Apparently, it breaks down quickly, so get the cheap stuff.

 

[okie medicvet]

I live in New England so I have plenty of leaves....but... many years ago I was out in the apple orchard, after dark and drinking beer... I was also reading The Clan of the Cave Bear at the time. I had to go, very unfortunately I used poison ivy leaves....... I am highly allergic to poison ivy...

So I bought wash clothes....

man, that is EVERYONE'S nightmare scenario! That's why I would never bother with leaves in the dark..heck with it!!!



And preps? No, I never have enough, and yes, I worry. A lot. But all I can do is the best I can do. I do believe it is time to go to the shelter and get a big dog tho...one for the yard.

 

[MedicineWoman]

Along with books and games don't forget your musical instruments for entertainment. Extra guitar and banjo strings, etc.

 

[Meemur]

When I think of "basics," I also think of raw materials. That is, in cooking that's the flour-soda-oil-salt that's the base for baked goods, or lumber-screws-hand tools that allow me to make repairs and fabricate needed items. For sewing, it would be material, thread, notions.

One stocking change I've made since Y2K is to stock more "basics" than manufactured goods. I've also been working on the skills to go along with that, from scratch cooking on camping stoves to simple mechanical repairs.

My thinking is that skills are portable. If I do end up bugging out with only a pack, I still have the means to start over, not in terms of living off the land but in other scenarios.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

Hyperinflation??

READ THIS:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showpost.php?p=1815342&postcount=13

Dennis, as I'm sure you've read my postings every now and then yes, hyperinflation.

Before the American economy begins that long, slow descent into mediocrity and Argentinianism, we are about to experience a hyperinflationary spike which will blow everyone's mind. The idea behind this spike to eliminate the debt load of the government to a manageable point vs. default before instituting a new currency, help some key corporations bail themselves out and prepare themselves, and lastly eliminate any and all indpendent economic freedoms for Mr. and Mrs. Joe Six-Pack. By destroying the buying power of the American citizen, you eliminate many of their freedoms. How many families of four will be able to afford that annaul trip from Michigan to Disney if gas is $8.599 per gallon? Not many. Because milk will be around $5 a gallon, butter around $4.50 a lb, and on and on. So the choice then become do I eat or vacation? Do I pay my credit card on time or my car payment? Hyperinflation will devestate most people because many hear don't remember the Carter years and have no concept of history and what happened in the Weimar Republic.

After prices hit a theoretical maximum, and no, I have no clue where to peg that,
prices will begin to decline.

Rapidly.

Right now, using the original CPI formulation, inflation has been increasing at about a 7.7 to 7.9% clip for the last two years. This year is should crack 8.5 to 10% if energy prices continue to skyrocket.

We are experiencing, what I've been long preaching and fearing on this board:

Asset and wage deflation with commodity inflation.

The net result? Well, what better way to control Americans than economically limit their ability to move. What better way to control Americans than to ration electricity and other necessities. TPTB have won in that regard. So as this party begins, you'd best have your chair anchored in place. I give everyone less than 6 months to relocate to where you want to ride this storm out.

It's a Cat 9 hurricane and the EHMs have done their job.

 

[JohnGaltfla]

Soft preps also include:

1. Getting necessary medical and dental work taken care of while you can still afford it.

2. Learning some degree of proficiency with automobile repair or a barter arrangement with a good shade tree mechanic.

3. Setting up a barter network with like minded preppers to trade goods and services.

4. Finding and practicing alternate communications methods. If it gets as bad as I think it will, TB2K could become a very irregular service as well as telephones and the USPS, etc.

5. Stocking up on supplies of cosmetics, pillows, blankets, etc. Sewing kits and learning to use them. Spare clothes.

Just some more ideas for everyone to try out, this has been a great, great thread gang and a lot of great suggestions....

 

[cannoncocker]

I will make one more Sam's Club run today for more razors, Laundry detergent, 409 cleaner, alka-seltzer and soap. I figure I will use it and the price will go up soon, so thanks for the thread.

 

[Was Cath]

I've been spending a lot of time in my garden

Not only is it relaxing, but I'm also figuring out what I need to keep it going if stuff gets too expensive to buy. Plus, in 60 days I hope not to need to buy fresh veggies at the store!

I've purchased extra dormant oil, insecticidal soap, plant supports, and fencing. And the seeds that I bought in 1999 still germinate, for the most part! Garage sales are a great place to purchase extra hand tools, gloves, etc.

Next time I'm in town maybe I'll buy another bundle of strawberry starts and a couple of blueberry plants--with some more bird netting, of course!

 

[prudentwatcher]

I talked SO into buying new underwear and socks to stash away. I already bought mine. I also bought more laundry detergent at a great price ($1.49 for 100 oz of Purex after sale and coupon). I now have 33 bottles (100 oz or larger) of laundry detergent, or about a three year supply. I've also managed to get more dry cat food and dog food for free (coupons from a few weeks ago) and we bought another 140 lbsof kitty litter today, bringing us up to about a 7 month supply for 4 cats. Every time I go to the store I buy another thing for the first aid cabinet (a 6 ft high office supply cabinet). Not missing much, but found a few holes---no liquid pepto for when the dogs got some virus that gave them diarrhea and no syringe that was a good size to get anything down. I also had to get stitches above my eye and we don't have the right kind of tool to get the stitches out on our own, so I'll have to look for that. I also wish I could get some novacaine or lidocaine, because that helped a lot when I had to be stitched up.

Some things I plan on getting more of very soon: toothpaste, foil, toilet paper (can never have enough), more yarn for projects, another pair of shoes (leather--have about 4 pairs of sneakers stashed), and more batteries.

 

[texastee]

I see where the Dollar store has 4 rolls for a $1

 

[lynnie]

I am surprised anybody is getting washcloths as a TP substitute. Too rough.

I have been saving old sheets for years, both cotton and flannel. When cut up into squares thay can be used as TP, paper napkins, paper towels, washcloths, baby diapers, sanitary pads, and kleenex. Most folks have extra old T shirts, they will do well. Keep a bucket of water next to the potty ( diaper pail idea) and they'll be easy to wash.

If you don't have a BIG pile of rags visit the local goodwill or thrift shop and stock up on the cheapest, softest cloth you can get. (Even Walmart has T shirt cloth sheet sets ( twin size) for 10-12 bucks.) Wash it and put it away in a bin for the day when paper products are only for rich people.

 

[idelphic]

After prepping for Y2K, I said ... What was that all about Lord? He said, be patient, in time you will know. Six years later I'm asking the same question and getting the same answer. Best to always be prepared ... for economic adjustments, Bird flu ... whatever.
...edited

Good list Beee... I'm going to have to print it off and see just how what I have compairs.. I don't think I am quite prepared for the impending SHTF,... But I hope to make too..

 

[ofuzzy1]

Thanks for all the great ideas and comments.

DW has made me promise not to buy anything for a whole month
Spent the weekend cleanup out the garage, and she found my stashes.
So she'll be doing all of the shopping: grocery, hardware, everything. The only thing I'm allowed to buy is fuel!

For the folks who need some suggesttions on cloth diapering visist my website. www.ofuzzy1.com

 

[UpNorth]

I think we have all seen the prepper 100 list before so that cover a lot of the essentials. My personal priority list is always

batteries/flashlights
tools,nails,screws,etc
light bulbs
peanut butter (large plastic jars)
5lbs bags of quaker oats
coffee, can never have enough coffee
ALCOHOL/CIGARETTES even if you dont drink or smoke these are guaranteed to be worth their weight in gold during hard times.
TP TP TP TP TP TP TP TP
women hygiene products, if my woman doesn't have enough of this stuff god help me.

 

[Slydersan]

Me too. I got them for Y2K and of course they are still packed. I am NOT looking forward to using them as TP, but it's better than the alternative, which is---well, I don't know!

Just a hint I've heard from time to time - if you run out of toilet paper -- Use the pages from old telephone books. Most of them are hundreds of pages long, so just rip out a page and use. Of course the ink might come off in a sensitive area, but thats probably the least of your worries if you run out of TP.

 

[Tina]

just a thought!

I'm purchasing a couple of small swimming pool just to use for my boys instead of going off some where to swim. With gas prices the way they are we're going to be staying home a lot during the summer so I'm find alternatives and buying now. We have a 2 fishing ponds so I've purchased fishing poles, bait (can get worms anywhere on the farm), we have a fishing boat, I've invested in a sand box and sand (for 2 year old) and basketball goal and basketball for sixteen year old. I have an outdoor kitchen set up to cook outside this summer to keep the heat out of the house. Would appreciate any more ideas you might have to have fun at home! Already have lots of board games, playing cards, paper, colors, markers, playdough, etc.