CHAT The Fake Right?

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Boot
Is it just me or am I seeing a lot of new accounts on social media, pushing anti Trump lines and that anything would be better, including a democrat comments.
Some of it stems from the Iran thing but if you engage them, they go straight to the saul alinsky tactics, just like the typical democrat.
Whats interesting is they are choosing names with the word patriot in them ect..
Fake righties or something else entirely?
 

KFhunter

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Is it just me or am I seeing a lot of new accounts on social media, pushing anti Trump lines and that anything would be better, including a democrat comments.
Some of it stems from the Iran thing but if you engage them, they go straight to the saul alinsky tactics, just like the typical democrat.
Whats interesting is they are choosing names with the word patriot in them ect..
Fake righties or something else entirely?

It’s right here in this forum
 

KFhunter

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just look at how many on the right (so they say) throw a tantrum if Trump does something they don’t personally agree with, ready to quit voting, calling us Trump worshippers etc

No one is going to do everything right for everyone on the right.
 

et2

TB Fanatic
It’s great not doing internet social media … besides here. No need for it … in my case anyway. Don’t miss it, don’t care about the mind games being played. Listening to the fake news and what I read here is all I need. Regular local news, TB2K and Newsmax is all I need.
 

subnet

Boot
It’s great not doing internet social media … besides here. No need for it … in my case anyway. Don’t miss it, don’t care about the mind games being played. Listening to the fake news and what I read here is all I need. Regular local news, TB2K and Newsmax is all I need.
I seem to find their subterfuge interesting i guess
A glutton for punishment lol
 

TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
IMO, or the way I see it:

What you are seeing is the fracture between what is considered the old "Conservatism" (aka liberal lite) and the new. The old consists of those that support the old system, primarily Israel first boomers (MIGA) and uniparty RINOS.

The new is the younger generations (think Charlie Kirk) that are truly right wing (not America first, America only) and want to return to the America they have only read about (Christian, pre federal reserve, small gov, etc.)

The reason they say Dems will be better than Trump is not because they think the Dems will do a better job, but simply because they have come to the full realization that their vote doesn't matter, and there is no hope for them in this current system. Voting for Dems will accelerate our inevitable collapse, as opposed to voting for "conservatives" who rather than actually conserve things, just slow the rate of decline.
 

Tristan

TB Fanatic
It’s great not doing internet social media … besides here. No need for it … in my case anyway. Don’t miss it, don’t care about the mind games being played. Listening to the fake news and what I read here is all I need. Regular local news, TB2K and Newsmax is all I need.


But it seems that some of that is leaking over to here. Maybe because folks engage in/with both SM and here? :shr:

Pity.
 

Tristan

TB Fanatic
What part is the psyop?
Everything, everywhere all at once?
Explain

Its a forum not twitter, so meme wars dont cut it.
Though I do like a good meme war...lol

It has seemed from past experience that if the Narrative slips their control, they just stir up as much sh*t as possible to create chaos and as much uncertainty as possible; then they can regroup and weave a new narrative.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
If you were to classify the country according to claimed party affiliation:

55 percent Republican
25 percent Democrat
20 percent Independent

If you were to classify the country according to outlook:

45 percent MAGA
30 percent RINO
15 percent Marxist
10 percent undecided

Keep in mind depending on the presentation, the RINO and the Marxist can combine and make any vote a tie - and the undecided decide the outcome.

THIS is the "watch your butt" in American Politics. The SAVE Act being the most recent watch.

Trump can - depending on his outlandish claims - carry the vote with 45 MAGA and 10 percent undecided. But he has to do something VERY outlandish and dominate the news. The news is learning, if they "shut up" about any Trump victories, such as the economy or ANYTHING Trump, it puts Trump at a disadvantage with that 10 percent.

Now you know why very little ICE Protest activity in the News currently. The Left has found out thanks to Minneapolis about the public general support for removal of Illegals - the protest in Minneapolis only bolstered Trump's popularity.

And why "No Kings" reporting dropped off the scale by late Monday news cycle - the protests were generally not received well and tended to bolster Trump popularity.

Dobbin
 
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Zardoz

Veteran Member
What part is the psyop?
Everything, everywhere all at once?
Explain

Its a forum not twitter, so meme wars dont cut it.
Though I do like a good meme war...lol
From my perspective, everything has increased in tempo over the last 30+ years. Common sense and logical discussion has disappeared almost completely. What happened to a middle ground approach of some basic issues, education, child care, transportation and most basic essentials of society? Everyone everywhere seems to be pitted against each other over minor differences. Basically, Divide and Conquer. Then you throw in the Covid Scandemic to push people to another extreme of US vs THEM, with some inflation as a topping. Not part of a normally functioning society, so PSYOP for control and manipulation of resources and people. For complete control, "They" need either a CW or large National war to lock the gates of freedom closed. None of what has been happening for the last 30+ years is organic in nature, and we're coming to a fork in the road. I wonder which road will be taken? 2 cents.
 

subnet

Boot
From my perspective, everything has increased in tempo over the last 30+ years. Common sense and logical discussion has disappeared almost completely. What happened to a middle ground approach of some basic issues, education, child care, transportation and most basic essentials of society? Everyone everywhere seems to be pitted against each other over minor differences. Basically, Divide and Conquer. Then you throw in the Covid Scandemic to push people to another extreme of US vs THEM, with some inflation as a topping. Not part of a normally functioning society, so PSYOP for control and manipulation of resources and people. For complete control, "They" need either a CW or large National war to lock the gates of freedom closed. None of what has been happening for the last 30+ years is organic in nature, and we're coming to a fork in the road. I wonder which road will be taken? 2 cents.
Sounds legit but the US vs THEM portion being we are so polarized as a nation, do they really need to play us vs them, as we are 180 degrees out anyhow?
 

Hognutz

TB Fanatic
JMO

I think that many, not all, that oppose trump are not afraid that what he does won't work---their biggest fear is that it will
My biggest fear is he won’t do what he was elected to do.
Mass Deportations! I had hoped he would declare war on the invaders, hell I was ready to take up arms and help if needed.


Once again I fell for the football being snatched away…


I am disappointed in him and myself for getting my hopes up again.
 

stop tyranny

Veteran Member
Sure, there are many on social media who falsely claim to be right, conservative, or Christian in order to create the false narrative that many who are conservatives or actual liberals (the ones who believe in small government and freedom) are so fed up with the right they would vote for a socialist/communist democrat.

That being said, there is some legitimate anger, frustration, and concerns from true conservatives and liberals being ignored and/or labeled as anti-Trump propagandists creating division within our party at a time when the threat from the leftists is stronger than ever.

First is the inability of many Trump supporters to concede Trump does make some bad decisions without automatically labeling those pointing them out as anti-Trumpers and leftists. After all NO human is perfect and all make bad decisions be it unintentionally or intentional.

Some of the more common legitimate concerns would be that much of the agenda and priorities of the current Trump administration have changed since Trumps first term. This is clear to see as his first election was filled with promises to look out for the lower and middle working class, bring back manufacturing, end corporate influence through campaign contributions and payoffs, shrink government, cut the deficit, investigate/prosecute government corruption (drain the swamp), defend and restore our Second Amendment rights, secure our borders, build up our military and improve the lives of our soldiers, put America first, and end Americas role as the "world police".

In contrast many of the current Trump administration's policies and decisions are hurting the lower and middle working class.
Some manufacturing is coming back but the decreased demand for goods due to inflation (much of it driven by the deficit) and the governments push to advance and implement A.I. and automation is/will result in additional job losses as well as increased utility bills in some places.
Trump has become much more open in his current term to accept corporate contributions with some coming from the tech sector that is advancing A.I., robotics, and automation that will ultimately replace a large portion of the workforce that many in the low and middle working class are dependent on.
Trump has attempted to shrink government, but leftist operatives scattered throughout government agencies and within our judicial system have prevented any meaningful reduction so far.
When it comes to deficit reduction Trump has not achieved much in ether term. Whatever he gains through spending cuts or increased revenue through tariffs he utilizes on other agendas.
When it comes to investigating and prosecuting government corruption Trump has not achieved much in ether term. Granted Trump cannot personally investigate and prosecute government corruption but the appointees he selected have for the most part been failures on this issue and that falls on Trump regardless of who within his "inner circle" recommended them. This also applies to his SCOTUS picks.
When it comes to defense of our Second Amendment, he did completely the opposite in his first term when he went after the bump stocks. During his second term his administration has increased their efforts to battle unconstitutional state laws and eliminating the $200 tax stamp fee on suppressors but fell short in ending the unconstitutional restrictions on nfa firearms and accessories as well as implementing national concealed carry reciprocity and removing the anti-Second Amendment employees working within the batf. After all, how can anyone who is already anti-Second Amendment be allowed to work in the agency that enforces firearms laws and unconstitutionally creates policies that determine the legality of any given firearm or non-firearm accessory that can installed on a firearm. As you may notice I may have been a little more critical in matters concerning our Second Amendment, because this is the inalienable right specifically intended to assure the means to defend ourselves from a tyrannical government and as such it should be the most important factor when deciding who to vote for since EVERYONE intent on restricting or abolishing your inalienable right to bear arms is also intent on committing tyrannical actions against the citizenry.
When it comes to securing the border, Trump has made progress but the shift from going after those already inside who pose a threat to the safety and security of American citizens to include those who actually assimilate and make a positive contribution to America, and the citizens has created a major division within both the left and right political parties regarding his immigration policies.
With regard to rebuilding our military and improving the lives of service members I would say Trump has made progress in both terms.
When it comes to ending Americas role as the "world police" Trump kept his promise during the first term, but his second term intervention policies have been more in line with the warmonger neocons than America first. In both the south america and iran interventions he sold his justification for intervening by claiming the citizens of each country wanted to take back control but needed American assistance. So far that has proven false in both cases, with the first intervention looking more like it was driven by select oil companies profits and irans citizens rising up against their oppressive regime and regaining their freedom has failed to materialize even after major attacks from both Israel and America. While I know Trump is making these decisions based on "so called" intelligence he may want to consider the same "deep state" operatives who have worked endlessly to sabotage both his first and second term are also scattered throughout the same agencies giving him their intelligence assessments.
While not mentioned earlier, the government promoting digital currency should be a red flag for anyone who values freedom as it will be used as tool/weapon against American citizens sooner or later for surveillance and control. Just like the Patriot Act it is simply too powerful for the government not to weaponize at some point.
I say all this not to say Trump was a bad choice and by no means would I ever support a democrat/leftist because no matter what they promise they are ALL hell bent on destroying America. I say this because without acknowledging Trumps failures with his victories we are creating division within the right at a time when the left is closer than they have ever been to destroying our Constitutional Republic and are willing to do whatever it takes to finish the job, even if they destroy themselves in the process.
 
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Boot
"actual liberals (the ones who believe in small government and freedom) "
Im not so sure Blue Dogs exist any longer or they are guilty of allowing communists to take over their party and do not use their voice...or it was all bs to begin with.
 
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