HEALTH The Battle Over Bacteria: How the quest for "Food Safety" May Destroy Your Health

Karnie

Veteran Member
http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2009/07/24/the-battle-over-bacteria/


The Battle for Bacteria

July 24, 2009


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By the Writers Collective and Friends of American Farmers
If you have ever been in a heated discussion with friends over orthodox medicine as opposed to alternative medicine, or supplements versus drugs, or the necessity to vaccinate versus the danger of vaccination, or over whether raw milk is safe or not, perhaps you have experienced the formidable wall that exists between two worlds. Strong beliefs on both sides seem irreconcilable.
The struggle is actually over bacteria.
The orthodox medical world has made historic gains based on eliminating things – whether bacteria, viruses, pests, etc. The forms of elimination include sterilization, pasteurization, radiation, pesticides, pharmaceuticals, chemotherapy, vaccination, antibiotics, surgery, etc.
That elimination of threat rests on the hygiene principle, that cleanliness and isolation from “threat” are the means to health. On many levels this approach is a military one, a war against something we are taught to fear, as we are encouraged to fear “terrorists.” Methods and language often overlap – fighting cancer, bombarding it with radiation, wiping out infection with antibiotics, surgical strikes, cleansing an area of enemy, etc. Multinational industries have grown up around each form of killing, from weapons dealers to the pharmaceutical and radiation/nuclear industry which have immense vested interest in killing things as the means to solve problems. And the more the “things” to be fought can be defined as urgent threats or the more kinds of “things” that can be defined as new threats, the more each industry grows. More enemies and more diagnoses based on more fear mean more sales.
The problem is that the hygiene principle is limited in its view of nature, is based on fear, and has a boomerang effect. In war brings more enemies. In medicine, it is bringing illness. While it has proven invaluable in helping us understand dangers from contaminated, standing water or why a surgeon going from patient to patient with unclean hands is harmful but the products and technologies sterilizing more and more things to gain health are leaving a host of even more serious health problems in their wake.
A Yale University study recently suggested that, in fact, we are inadequately exposed to bacteria which our immune systems need in order to function well and our isolation from that bacteria may be generating auto-immune problems. They showed that friendly bacteria has value in the prevention of Type 1 diabetes and they are working on showing that bacteria in the gut (which accounts for 70-80% of the immune system) may have value in dealing with cancers.
And yet, the continuing dominance of an outmoded hygiene principle (eliminate all threats) is associated with boomerang outcomes. As Masanobu Fukuoka so eloquently put it, ”If we throw Mother Nature out the window, she comes back in the door with a pitchfork.” For example:
+Prophylatic use of antibiotics in animal feed in the US has led to a 48% rate of resistant bacteria in hospitals compared to a 2% rate in countries which do not use antibiotics in this way.
+The irradiation of breasts in women with breast cancer has been shown to create breast cancer in the remaining breast and mammograms themselves are now linked to breast cancer.
+The use of pesticides to eradicate mosquitoes or other pests is well linked to birth defects and cancers of many kinds.
+Jonas Salk, inventor of the IPV, testified before a Senate subcommittee that nearly all polio outbreaks since 1961 were caused by the oral polio vaccine.
+Dr. Robert Bell, vice president of the International Society for Cancer Research at the British Cancer Hospital, has said that ”The chief, if not the sole, cause of the monstrous increase in cancer has been vaccination.”
Pasteur, on his deathbed, challenged the very basis of treatments that rely on a false and static view of bacteria, viruses, and fungi. http://thebovine.wordpress.com/pasteur/

Traditional vs. Alternative


The struggle between the old science and the new science, and between orthodox medicine and alternative medicine, parallels the struggle occurring between industrial farming and organic farming. Renaming “alternative” medicine “organic medicine” might better capture what is going on since both are about supporting natural systems in ways that increase the capacity of those systems to ward off threats without toxins or destruction which lead to additional problems.
The public is concerned now about antibiotics, pesticides, and irradiation of food. Each is a problem in itself, but what they have in common is that they all wipe out bacteria.
But knowledge of healthy food and healthy farming makes apparent that when things are done right, there is an unbroken cycle of healthy soil and animals living normal lives outside on grass, eating diets that are natural to them, leading to normal, nutritionally rich food and then to health in people. The “ground” for that cycle is healthy soil, not sterile or chemically-contaminated soil, with healthy soil defined by its abundance of microbes (bacteria).
And whether in growing healthy animals which produce healthy meat or eggs or milk, or in growing vegetables and fruit, the critical element in that cycle and what undergirds the growth, the functioning, the well-being of animals and plants – and thus of the safety (and nutritional availability) of the food – is abundant, varied and friendly bacteria.
This is why an increasing number of people seek out real milk for its friendly bacteria, all left intact without pasteurization. And even a public unaware of the essential and beneficial function of bacteria in soil or that it comes free in real milk, pays more for lactobacillus (bacteria) in yogurt and buys probiotics (bacteria) in pill form.
Bacteria is the unrecognized battleground of the clash between two scientific paradigms.
In an article entitled “Crops, ponds destroyed in quest for food safety,” the public sees the logical extension of the hygiene principle applied to natural systems and for most, it is disturbing. A disconnect with “food safety” is immediately apparent. But they feel at a loss to explain what has been lost. Many are left feeling angry at how insane these measures are, but for very few would it occur to them that the primary reason this compartmentalization is actually harmful is a broken web of microbial interaction and loss of varied bacteria.
The paradigm based on the hygiene principle provides many forms of overpowering and killing parts of nature (externally or in the body), citing “cleanliness” as the prime basis for health. The newer science, which the Yale study represents, is based on the idea that health comes not from eliminating things in nature or overpowering the body, but from a strong immune system defined by abundant friendly bacteria.
Just as organic farming sees microbe-rich soil as the foundation for good food and health, this new medical science sees a rich abundance of friendly bacteria in human beings as the foundation for health. The two paradigms’ distinct approaches to nature shows up in stark contrast with doctors opposing breast feeding as unhygienic. Only later, did we learn how much damage was done, and that babies rely on exposure to what is in their mother’s milk to build their own immune systems. Immunity cannot be built on sterility.
In a free market of scientific ideas, the newer science would win out over the older and more limited hygiene paradigm, since the older paradigm has increasingly created dangerous new problems (such as “super-bacteria”). The newer science, in contrast, helps explain a rise in autoimmune diseases as well as dangers from eradication of friendly bacteria, and is providing a wealth of material on how the body, given what it needs, is capable of fighting off diseases on its own. In that sense, it is not fear-based nor product-driven.
But the outmoded science has power (from billions of dollars in product sales) and fear (of disease) on its side.

HR 2749: Fake Food Safety Bill

HR 2749, ostensibly a “food safety” bill, represents an extreme of the outdated, fragmented view of human health and food safety. It was written and is pushed by industries selling the very products the public wants taken out of its food supply – pesticides, hormones, antibiotics, GMOs, and rendered animal waste. But, these industries have control of a system in which science itself has been corrupted and the studies put out falsely condemn the organic paradigm of its competitor.
Leaving industry’s own risky products untouched by HR 2749, its lawyers do not address actual food safety issues but play linguistic and legal tricks with “risk,” creating nonsensical and intentionally destructive regulations for food producers and those supplying food supplements (which do not destroy bacteria as drugs do). Using “eradication” of risk (as bizarrely defined by industry), the bill would apply the scorched earth approach to food – eliminate organic food, organic farming, and organic food supplements. Never mind that none of them harm but all, in fact, support bacteria which in turn supports the soil, animal immune systems, plant life, and human immune systems, and in all four, help ward off unfriendly bacteria, viruses and diseases.
The five products the public wants to be rid of eliminate friendly bacteria and lead to the growth of abnormal and antibiotic-resistant bacteria, while the food supplements threatened by the bill, protect friendly bacteria and can help restore it.
Organic farming and organic healing are up against tremendous financial forces working to control a system for the sake of sales of destructive products. Through HR 2749, those forces hope to permanently lock in a dangerous industrial food and drug system. It would be the theft of an undeserved win by a dying scientific paradigm with a view of nature (science) that has been proven fractured and dangerous again and again.
What is most needed for food safety and yet most “at risk” from HR 2749? Friendly bacteria.
So when you hear that Amish dairy farmers could be put in jail by HR 2749 for selling real milk and supplement company owners could join them and organic farming will be forced to use pesticides, realize that this is a battle of paradigms – an industry with products that kill is promoting an outdated science of hygiene (sterilize everything) as a means to crush a new science, one filled with wonder at the interconnectedness of life and just now opening the door to immunologic discoveries of the health-giving power of microbes.
HR 2749 is based on the same science that promoted bottle feeding over nursing, having prioritized “hygiene” and sales over the beauty and safety of nature’s complexity. A mother and baby do not need a middle man and there is the rub and why “hygiene” must enter and why normal must be redefined as dangerous. Bacteria is the gift the mother gives – not only safe but health giving.
Yale may have proven how valuable friendly bacteria is, but the Amish have had it right for centuries. Bacteria in their milk is of immense health value. Now, the Amish and others face jail as they stand up for all of us in protection of the health-giving wonder of normal bacteria.
Stop HR 2749 Action Pages:
http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum996.php
http://www.ftcldf.org/petitions/pnum993.php
 

D_el

Veteran Member
I seem to recall a Bible passage that spoke of some men always learning but never coming to an understanding of the truth. Man can be his own worst enemy with too much knowledge but little or no understanding.
 

willowlady

Veteran Member
"You're going to eat a barrel of

dirt before you're grown." That used to be the saying when I was growing up. Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that by isolating ourselves from common, and often beneficial, bacteria, we have weakened our entire species. When my DD was brand new, I was boiling her bottles and nipples -- until I boiled a batch of nipples dry. My dear departed Mother just laughed at my efforts of hygiene and said wryly, "You'll figure it out." As the stench of burnt rubber hung about the house I decided if D's gut couldn't handle a few airborne bacteria, then she wasn't long for this world, and the bacteria was probably better for her than the extreme pollution from the burnt rubber. All I did after that was wash in mild soapy water and rinse good. Now, I rinse obvious dirt off vegetables, and often eat my strawberries right off the vine, still warm and unrinsed. We very seldom have intestinal issues. In fact, one of my favorite crackpot (I admit it's kinda goofy, but who would ever research it to confirm or deny?) theories is that we need the tiny amounts of botulism, the living bacteria, which are naturally obtained by not overcleaning vegies, in order to have a healthy nervous system.

Amazingly enough, with my last two grandchildren, their pediatrician recommended that for a quick clean of their binky (pacifier) the parent stick it in the parent's mouth. Not only is it clean enough for use by baby, but there are beneficial bacteria and enzymes in an adult's mouth that "seed" the baby's system. Who'd a thunk it?

All the allergies and such that people have today.... And the most common and effective treatment for those allergies is desensitization therapy: Expose the sufferer to small amounts of the allergen over time and eventually the hystemic reaction fades.
 

Karnie

Veteran Member
dirt before you're grown." That used to be the saying when I was growing up. Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that by isolating ourselves from common, and often beneficial, bacteria, we have weakened our entire species. When my DD was brand new, I was boiling her bottles and nipples -- until I boiled a batch of nipples dry. My dear departed Mother just laughed at my efforts of hygiene and said wryly, "You'll figure it out." As the stench of burnt rubber hung about the house I decided if D's gut couldn't handle a few airborne bacteria, then she wasn't long for this world, and the bacteria was probably better for her than the extreme pollution from the burnt rubber. All I did after that was wash in mild soapy water and rinse good. Now, I rinse obvious dirt off vegetables, and often eat my strawberries right off the vine, still warm and unrinsed. We very seldom have intestinal issues. In fact, one of my favorite crackpot (I admit it's kinda goofy, but who would ever research it to confirm or deny?) theories is that we need the tiny amounts of botulism, the living bacteria, which are naturally obtained by not overcleaning vegies, in order to have a healthy nervous system.

Amazingly enough, with my last two grandchildren, their pediatrician recommended that for a quick clean of their binky (pacifier) the parent stick it in the parent's mouth. Not only is it clean enough for use by baby, but there are beneficial bacteria and enzymes in an adult's mouth that "seed" the baby's system. Who'd a thunk it?

All the allergies and such that people have today.... And the most common and effective treatment for those allergies is desensitization therapy: Expose the sufferer to small amounts of the allergen over time and eventually the hystemic reaction fades.

I think you are one of the smartest people on the planet. Can we get you or someone who sees the world the way you do to be in charge of food safety?
 

KerryAnn

Inactive
Along this same vein, read about the transfer of beneficial bacteria from a mother to the baby during a birth, the lack of that when a C-section is done, and what happens when the mother has poor gut flora at birth.

I am absolutely convinced, after my own experience with celiac disease and food allergies, assisting in the births I have, counseling nursing moms, and running my business based on food allergies and sensitivities, that bad and imbalanced gut bacteria is at the root of most of the health problems in the US.
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
Re the entrance of a few microbes and bacteria entering the body, don't forget the "10 Second Rule" for items dropped on the floor.
 
A barrel? Good grief! Our family saying was, "You eat a peck of dirt before you die." Since one of my brothers was known to sit on the carport and eat the dirt (mixed with tiny gravel from the tar roof) with a spoon, I heard that saying fairly often.

Karnie...they brought out that point in the movie, FOOD, INC...that many of the czars were former lobbyists/employees of Monsanto, for example.

Can anyone spell 'p-a-y-b-a-c-k'?
 
Along this same vein, read about the transfer of beneficial bacteria from a mother to the baby during a birth, the lack of that when a C-section is done, and what happens when the mother has poor gut flora at birth.

I am absolutely convinced, after my own experience with celiac disease and food allergies, assisting in the births I have, counseling nursing moms, and running my business based on food allergies and sensitivities, that bad and imbalanced gut bacteria is at the root of most of the health problems in the US.

They've linked autism to digestive tract deficiencies, too. I'll look for the article...didn't say why or how, just the pure research showing the link. OK, I looked. Here is a link to a lot of links: http://www.ebmonline.org/cgi/content/full/228/6/639. There are hundreds more articles about this than when I read the first one 4 years ago.
 

Ender

Inactive
Great thread, Karnie, and 1000% on the mark.

All the present day "health" system does is feed Big Pharma & companies like Monsanto.
 

Karnie

Veteran Member
dirt before you're grown." That used to be the saying when I was growing up. Over the years, I've come to the conclusion that by isolating ourselves from common, and often beneficial, bacteria, we have weakened our entire species. When my DD was brand new, I was boiling her bottles and nipples -- until I boiled a batch of nipples dry. My dear departed Mother just laughed at my efforts of hygiene and said wryly, "You'll figure it out." As the stench of burnt rubber hung about the house I decided if D's gut couldn't handle a few airborne bacteria, then she wasn't long for this world, and the bacteria was probably better for her than the extreme pollution from the burnt rubber. All I did after that was wash in mild soapy water and rinse good. Now, I rinse obvious dirt off vegetables, and often eat my strawberries right off the vine, still warm and unrinsed. We very seldom have intestinal issues. In fact, one of my favorite crackpot (I admit it's kinda goofy, but who would ever research it to confirm or deny?) theories is that we need the tiny amounts of botulism, the living bacteria, which are naturally obtained by not overcleaning vegies, in order to have a healthy nervous system.

Amazingly enough, with my last two grandchildren, their pediatrician recommended that for a quick clean of their binky (pacifier) the parent stick it in the parent's mouth. Not only is it clean enough for use by baby, but there are beneficial bacteria and enzymes in an adult's mouth that "seed" the baby's system. Who'd a thunk it?

All the allergies and such that people have today.... And the most common and effective treatment for those allergies is desensitization therapy: Expose the sufferer to small amounts of the allergen over time and eventually the hystemic reaction fades.

I come from a family strongly predisposed to have allergies and hay fever, etc. I took allergy shots (as you said, they are desensitization shots) for a few years and got a little relief. But what removed 90% of my remaining allergy problems was switching to real (raw) milk. The change in my allergies within a year was miraculous - and I've not had an asthma attack since adding real milk to my diet. I was "lactose intolerant" my whole life - so never drank store bought milk... imagine my surprise when I didn't have problems with real milk!

I went from daily allergy and asthma meds with frequent breakthrough attacks anyway - to no daily meds of any sort. As I said, I have not had an asthma attack in many years now and have maybe ten days a year of allergy issues enough to prompt me to take a dose of something like Benedryl at bedtime.

I suspect, but do not know for sure, that the reason is that the cows are eating the stuff that I'm allergic to and I'm getting desensitized to the real stuff that is passed through the milk. But then again, the live enzymes and other benefits of real milk are likely having an effect as well (not to mention that I now eat more yogurt and drink kefir which effects my internal flora).

Whatever the reason - the effect on my allergies has been AMAZING.
 

KerryAnn

Inactive
Karnie, try a tablespoon of local, raw, unfiltered honey to help with those allergies on the few days it bothers you now. You'll need to take it for a bit before you expect it to hit, but it works wonders.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Having been in hospital for bacteria in the heart probably from drinking juice from fresh greens I can say to be somewhat careful on the matter.

Here in China locals cook even lettuce leaves and for good reason.

I drink carrot juice and eat uncooked tomatoes and some fruit but I'm fairly careful. Some fruit locals soak in not so clean water to stop the fruit from drying out. I don't buy fruit that I know they do this to.


There is a big difference between say two year old compost and two month old compost. The modern organic crowd is a bunch of uneducated fools playing a big risk game with their food in the main. Organic uncooked food is a much greater risk for your health then food grown under chemical fertilizers.


Soil takes time to become really fertile. All soils are not the same. Our foods are I think for the most part are lacking calcium, magnesium, zinc and so on. If you do not have the right mineral balance in your body along with the right fats / oils plus vitamins then you won't get the good bacteria to live in your gut.

What I am saying is be careful with bacteria. Farms just 30 to 40 years back were a safe place for kids but I don’t think the same safety is there these days. Too many sprays and worn out soils that will no longer support good bacteria habitats.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Karnie... that is interesting! Hubby HAD severe hayfever when we got married... all he ever drank was raw milk from their family farm. Back in those days, there weren't any "non-sedating" antihistamines, and if he took something which worked on the severe allergy symptoms, he would fall asleep driving tractors... not good!

When we moved to our current farm and I started growing big gardens, his allergies began to abate. We tried to pay attention to cause and effect, and noticed that when we ate a lot of sweet bell peppers and home grown melons (canteloupe, especially), it nearly eliminated his symptoms. I don't know yet whether it was Vitamin A or C (or maybe both), but it was amazing how well it worked.

Local honey can also be very effective, as CC noted.

On the "dirt produces healthy kids"... I believe it! And what made me laugh like a hyena this week was my DD's statement that she was "going to send all her kids to the farm for "vacations" several times a year, because she doesn't want them to end up with the allergies and asthma her DH has"!! (he was raised in one of those immaculately clean suburban homes which would put most hospitals to shame in terms of cleanliness and sterility. He and his brothers all have major allergy problems, despite neither parent having them)

As far as "the Chinese cook everything"... given what I've seen of their products, they should! Seriously, though... there are a few DANGEROUS bacteria, and the H.157 e.Coli is a prime example. However, it's prevalence has only come with the huge confined feedlots and abnormal diets... cattle which are fed some hay rarely have that strain in their guts. We spread manure on our gardens yearly, and we're very rarely sick. (of course, our soils are so "live" that even fresh manure vanishes and breaks down within weeks). But someone using manure from a feedlot operation might as well be spreading typhoid bacteria on their garden, in terms of safety!

And it's absolutely true that overuse of disinfectants and antibiotics have wiped out a lot of the "good bacteria" everywhere... and those are our first line of defense in the fight against the "bad" bugs...

Summerthyme
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
While I can find a lot to disagree with in that article, I think we would all be a lot better off if we quit trying to legislate this stuff.
 
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