REL GENRL The American Church Is Standing At The Red Sea

Sicario

The Executor
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While millions were watching on their TVs and devices, the host asked me, “What moment are we at in this country?” I answered, “The American church is at the Red Sea.”

Much of the American church believes this is a time of fear, despair, and profound disappointment. It is a time of dreadful uncertainty. It seems that the promises given to us by preachers have popped like so many balloons. Many regret standing with Trump. Others are abandoning their convictions in order to please a fallen culture. Still others are stunned and confused by the bizarre events unfolding every day.

Divisions spread like earthquake faults. Many are pointing fingers. It would seem that we need someone to arise and bring us a soothing balm. Someone to console us. But the fact is, we need a swift kick.

The Israelites were backed up against an impenetrable sea. A vast army, blind with revenge, was bearing down on them. Were they right to fear and be dismayed? Were they right to rail against Moses and remind him that they never wanted this adventure? “Is this not the word that we told you in Egypt, saying, ‘Let us alone that we may serve the Egyptians’? For it would have been better for us to serve the Egyptians than that we should die in the wilderness” (Exodus 14:12).



Isn’t this what we are hearing right now? Some are saying, “It’s better for us to serve Biden than to hold on to this embarrassing hope.”

Moses tried to rally the people: “And Moses said to the people, “Do not be afraid. Stand still, and see the salvation of the Lord, which He will accomplish for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall see again no more forever. The Lord will fight for you, and you shall hold your peace”” (Exodus 14:13-14).

But God found fault with Moses’ behavior. It was not a time to console, but to command: “And the Lord said to Moses, “Why do you cry to Me? Tell the children of Israel to go forward”” (vs. 15).

Why is God taking a harsh tone with Moses? It is because their fear made no sense. It is because their statement that slavery was better, is blasphemy.

These people had witnessed 9 astounding miracles in Egypt. The simple progression of God’s acts should have been more than enough proof that another miracle was inevitable.

Do you mean to tell me you have forgotten the progression of miracles that have brought us to this point? Cyrus came to the White House. The collusion attack failed. The Obama-led FBI failed to run Trump out of office. The economy boomed despite the attempts of every Democrat, every media, and Big Tech undermining him. Victory upon victory led us to a golden age for the middle class and the church. And what? God has abandoned us now? Why would that be?



Now we are at the Red Sea. And, just as the Israelites should have expected a miracle, so should we.

The uncovering of the vast corruption, evil and manipulation perpetrated by Biden and the Democrat-controlled States, would never have happened unless God was behind it. The Lord revealed a threat to our freedom that was lodged in our foundation like a time bomb.

Wake up, Church! This is a test. The images of dread and fear are a test. The feeling that immorality will swallow our nation whole is a test. The draining depression brought on by the election is a test.

Think back to the time when King Jehoshaphat turned a hopeless situation into proof that a miracle was coming. Read carefully what he said: “And now, here are the people of Ammon, Moab, and Mount Seir—whom You would not let Israel invade when they came out of the land of Egypt, but they turned from them and did not destroy them; here they are, rewarding us by coming to throw us out of Your possession which You have given us to inherit. O our God, will You not judge them? For we have no power against this great multitude that is coming against us; nor do we know what to do, but our eyes are upon You” (2 Chronicles 20: 10-12).

Let’s look at the lessons in these words for us right now. Jehoshaphat reminded God: A great army is coming to take away something You gave us. Then the king reminded the enemy: How is that going to work? Do you really want to mess with land that God gave to us Jews?



In the same way, America is a miracle. We did not come about by our own wits or our own greatness. Do you believe that voting machines from Venezuela or China are going to dislodge the home of the brave and the land of the free without God stepping in?

Next, the king said to Jehovah, “Will You not judge them?” Great evil will not go unpunished. Of course not!

Finally, Jehoshaphat said to God, “We have no wisdom for this and we have no might against them, but we are looking to You.” Similarly, this is also a test! God wants the glory. God will bring this wickedness down by His own hand.

We found out that too many American Christians are flat out wimps. Wimpy worship, wimpy convictions, wimpy prayers, and wimpy loyalty to God. But the remnant found out something different.

Their hope is in God and nothing else. They are ready to obey their marching orders. Preachers should not be cowards and traitors. They need to tell the people to move forward. We should be outraged that our election was stolen and our votes were nullified. Don’t you get it? We are not Venezuela—we are America!



We should be moving forward. We should not be debating how much we can do—we should be doing all we can. Get rid of that lie that we should appear polite and compliant in the face of this vile coup. We need to file every lawsuit necessary to expose every villain involved in this crime—even if they are Republicans.

It is not wrong to reject Biden. It is not wrong to exhaust every legal option. It is not wrong to make all the noise we need to make in order to take down this monster. God wants to open the Red Sea before us. He just wants us to stop feeling sorry for ourselves and move forward into our miracle!

LINK - THE AMERICAN CHURCH IS STANDING AT THE RED SEA
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
The ‘church’ doesn’t stand anywhere. You and I the individual believer experience everything spiritually that old testament Israel experienced in the flesh.

We come to the lord and are lead out of Egypt (bondage and sin) with great joy and then we are lead into the wilderness for our 40 year spiritual journey. We endure test after test and witness God’s provision in our lives over time.

God was not well pleased with Israel as they had no faith. They were delivered time after time but when the next test came they slid back and most died in the wilderness with only a few entering that promised land.

It is the same for us as we endure to the end of the road on our individual journey. The church collectively doesn’t stand anywhere. We individually learn, are given experience after experience and see God’s provision. This is simply another test and experience. May we have more faith and trust than they did so we don’t ‘die’ in unbelief in our wilderness experience.
 
We allow millions of unborn BABIES to be killed every year and somehow we expect GOD to just ignore that and keep us in His protection? I dunno. This nation has twisted the church and done a solid march away from Him for a long time. He doesn't have to smite us, we'll do fine on our own, He just has to let it happen.
 

ioujc

MARANTHA!! Even so, come LORD JESUS!!!
That would work for me>>>>

But I seem to recall that we have allowed the death of millions of innocents as a form of "birth control."

At some point you will note that God gets His craw full of the blasphemy and abandons those who have denied Him in every government building, who have allowed their children to be taught perversion and allow crimes to go unpunished>>>>>

After a while God gets sick of evil. And we have allowed it full rein in this country in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity" and "getting along!"
 
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Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
We allow millions of unborn BABIES to be killed every year and somehow we expect GOD to just ignore that and keep us in His protection? I dunno. This nation has twisted the church and done a solid march away from Him for a long time. He doesn't have to smite us, we'll do fine on our own, He just has to let it happen.

That number's been on the decline for years. We are striving against sin, for a change. You think GOD would just ignore THAT and put someone in power who will completely turn that on its head?

And while I'm at it! We "allow"? We "ALLOW"?? I'd say our opposition is pretty clear. It's just that not many people care about it. How many CHRISTIANS are having abortions? We can't be held responsible for what other people decide to do, unless you're actually of the mind where we're justified in burning down abortion clinics.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Wow, this is just...a letdown, and a fantasy. Like comparing Apples...to stink-bombs.

The Bible is REAL, and Scripture is True, as is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, but: the "church today?" Not so church-y, with a few devotees to the Narrow Path.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Wow, this is just...a letdown, and a fantasy. Like comparing Apples...to stink-bombs.

The Bible is REAL, and Scripture is True, as is the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, but: the "church today?" Not so church-y, with a few devotees to the Narrow Path.

Your point?

God needs a certain number of participants before miracles are a thing any more? I DEMAND Scriptural proof before I'll accept that line of nonsense.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I predict that this thread will devolve into a religious themed, hot mess.

In this, there will be an example of exactly why the American "church" is not much more than a social club.
While that is probably true, it's the meaning of what is church, and what is not. Just to name one thing.
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
The guy in the OP sounds like maybe he's into the prosperity gospel, or dominionism? I do believe that God put Trump in the President's office, and I pray that he'll stay there for four more years. But I think the guy in the OP is lacking in understanding of God and the Bible. The four years we were already given should have been used in repentance and prayer. If we are given four more years, they MUST be used in repentance and prayer. We Americans are -- in general -- pretty arrogant, thinking awfully highly of ourselves just because God has blessed our nation in the past. But those blessings came because we were, as a nation, at least attempting to do what was right in the eyes of God. Now, even a lot of conservatives reject God, reject the Bible in part or in whole, even many so-called Christians reject large parts of the Bible. I would love to see another 'Golden Age' but the only way it can come is if we humble ourselves, and turn from our wicked ways, and glorify God.

Kathleen
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Your point?

God needs a certain number of participants before miracles are a thing any more? I DEMAND Scriptural proof before I'll accept that line of nonsense.

Yes, you are right, He only needs a few.

2 Timothy 3

3 But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Matthew 15:8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Isaiah 29:13 And so the Lord says, “These people say they are mine. They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And their worship of me is nothing but man-made rules learned by rote.

Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
 

TammyinWI

Talk is cheap
Not all of it. There is a remnant.

This is very true. And the Body of Christ who is the Remnant could be considered the Church, without a building they attend for coffee hour. They are truly not of this world in the world but not of it, and don't let politics influence or interfere with their Faith, I suppose!
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The guy in the OP sounds like maybe he's into the prosperity gospel, or dominionism? I do believe that God put Trump in the President's office, and I pray that he'll stay there for four more years. But I think the guy in the OP is lacking in understanding of God and the Bible. The four years we were already given should have been used in repentance and prayer. If we are given four more years, they MUST be used in repentance and prayer. We Americans are -- in general -- pretty arrogant, thinking awfully highly of ourselves just because God has blessed our nation in the past. But those blessings came because we were, as a nation, at least attempting to do what was right in the eyes of God. Now, even a lot of conservatives reject God, reject the Bible in part or in whole, even many so-called Christians reject large parts of the Bible. I would love to see another 'Golden Age' but the only way it can come is if we humble ourselves, and turn from our wicked ways, and glorify God.

Kathleen
While in agreement with your reply, I suspect a couple of things.

Under Trump things were so good prayer was considered optionable by the "church". And only needed for national repentance. What we meant by that was, to get those scumbag liberals in line. Please excuse my French. But not the "church". We were blessed. [/sarc

And will only continue if Trump does eventually win.

Under Biden prayer and repentance will not only become part of our daily lives, as a necessity but the repentance will turn inward, as in what do I need to do. Forget "church" forget nation, what do I need to repent of, to survive. It will be get real time.

Living under Solomon, or with Daniel? Which would be better?
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Yes, you are right, He only needs a few.

2 Timothy 3

3 But know this, that in the last days [a]perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, [b]unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away!

2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.

Matthew 15:8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me.

Isaiah 29:13 And so the Lord says, “These people say they are mine. They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. And their worship of me is nothing but man-made rules learned by rote.

Titus 1:16 They claim to know God, but they deny him by what they do. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit to do anything good.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.

That's quite the list you've pulled together. Of course, since you already acknowledged that God doesn't need a minimum number to make miracles any more before you even presented the list, it's sort of pointless.

I won't deny that the church has gotten soft over the years. I won't deny we've all let things slip. We're human; it happens.

Let he who is without sin throw the first stone.

But that's the kind of thing that would make a Red Sea moment useful, wouldn't you think? Take what's left of the church--and the whole thing too--right up to the edge of disaster and then come in and help with a downright miracle? I've seen it happen personally; more than a few of us have. Something like that might well turn some folks around, and wouldn't that be what God would want?
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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While that is probably true, it's the meaning of what is church, and what is not. Just to name one thing.

In the OP, it's a general identifier, not unlike "Patriots" or "Deplorables".

Your post exemplifies things tho, Everybody will get wrapped around the axle on "what is the church"...

and no one will address the dayum blue flowers...not once in 97 posts. :D
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Do you mean to tell me you have forgotten the progression of miracles that have brought us to this point? Cyrus came to the White House. The collusion attack failed. The Obama-led FBI failed to run Trump out of office. The economy boomed despite the attempts of every Democrat, every media, and Big Tech undermining him. Victory upon victory led us to a golden age for the middle class and the church. And what? God has abandoned us now? Why would that be?

A point I've raised more than once.

A string of miracles has already happened, comparatively speaking. Trump has survived, at last report, over 100 separate assassination attempts. Probably more since then.

The abortion numbers are DOWN. Deny this and you deny reality. Israel is more blessed than any time it's been in the last 70 years.

And now, suddenly, God's going to take the one Earthly thing that was making that happen, pull it out, and replace it with someone who will do THE EXACT OPPOSITE because WE WERE BAD?? Worse, because we were INSUFFICIENTLY GOOD??

As a famous doddering wreck of a human once remarked, come on, man!
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is very true. And the Body of Christ who is the Remnant could be considered the Church, without a building they attend for coffee hour. They are truly not of this world in the world but not of it, and don't let politics influence or interfere with their Faith, I suppose!

The Body of Christ, the Remnant, the True Church isn't contained inside a building or denomination. That is true. Also, the Remnant are in the world, but we are not supposed to be of the world. God has called us out to be a peculiar people unto Himself. He's also, calling us to "Come Out" now more so than ever before.

As far as politics influencing or interfering with our faith, what is politics to God? He raises up kings and He brings them down all on His own. We are instructed to obey God rather than man.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In the OP, it's a general identifier, not unlike "Patriots" or "Deplorables".

Your post exemplifies things tho, Everybody will get wrapped around the axle on "what is the church"...

and no one will address the dayum blue flowers...not once in 97 posts. :D
I actually get that, no problem.

But when the OP lumps those who wave flags on the 4th of July, with those who stand on Lexington Green, as both being Patriots, well it's time for some push back.

That part of the "church" that accepts all religions as valid, and we are all brothers on the same path to eternal life, (the flag wavers) and those who are the actual Church (Lexington Green) as defined by the Bible, are two different things.

The "church" (flag wavers) in the OP didn't/hasn't waited on the Red Sea to be parted, they swam over and are accepted welcomed, as a part of the fabric of society.

The Biblical "Church" (Lexington Green) looks within and does the changing there. And stands firm on that, and doesn't care if they are a part of the fabric of society or not. Probably the reason for the martyrs. Not being a part of the social fabric of any particular country.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
What do you think "The Great Reset" is if not the implementation of the beast system? Think about what time it is and tell me that Trump is going to make things all better and America will be prosperous and the good times can go on for another 200 years.

If like me you've come to the conclusion that the curtain is going up on the end times, then it stands to reason that the beast must be given power.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues and nations.

We can't change God's timeline, if he's set the events in motion then it's going to happen. You can say that I'm full of it, but I just ask that you really take a look around and see the unfolding of a one world government and just put aside any preconceived notions on the timing of the rapture for a minute and just consider where we are in world history right now. (even if it is pre-trib we are basically right at the door)

I don't think pre-trib is going to prevent persecution from coming to the church in america and I expect to see it intensify.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
What do you think "The Great Reset" is if not the implementation of the beast system? Think about what time it is and tell me that Trump is going to make things all better and America will be prosperous and the good times can go on for another 200 years.

If like me you've come to the conclusion that the curtain is going up on the end times, then it stands to reason that the beast must be given power.

We can't change God's timeline, if he's set the events in motion then it's going to happen. You can say that I'm full of it, but I just ask that you really take a look around and see the unfolding of a one world government and just put aside any preconceived notions on the timing of the rapture for a minute and just consider where we are in world history right now. (even if it is pre-trib we are basically right at the door)

I don't think pre-trib is going to prevent persecution from coming to the church in america and I expect to see it intensify.

...this is a point that's hard to refute, either. The beast system DOES have to be put in play at some point, and looking around, it's easy to see we're not too far from the end times, if we're not already in them.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
I also want to add that I too would like trump to win and things to be hunky dory, but I also believe the bible and that there is an end and that we are to be in the world but not of the world.

I can't unsee the things I'm seeing come into place, I don't want to see the death of our country but as I said I think we've run out the clock on this world. many have been wrong about this before and I would like to be, but I can't see what I'm seeing and not sound the alarm.

I don't want them to just walk in and take it without a fight, but I do know that if it's the real deal these things must come to pass and no amount of sugar coated prosperity horse shit is going to stop it.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
Bewilderment is coming for a whole lot of folks who buy into a false belief that YAH is going to save us from the consequences this nation has heaped up for itself.

The wickedness, rot and corruption so invasive and institutionalized that we have accepted it as just part of societal fabric of 'who we are'.

If the Civil War was Judgment for the sin of slavery (as Lincoln famously said) - the entire nation should be in trembling fear on our faces over what judgement is coming for the sins of infant slaughter and homosexuality being promoted and championed as a 'right'. The church here has grown so lukewarm as it turned entirely inward - having abandoned doing Matthew 28:19-20 to become social clubs and corporate business conglomerates preaching the prosperity gospel.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Bewilderment is coming for a whole lot of folks who buy into a false belief that YAH is going to save us from the consequences this nation has heaped up for itself.

The wickedness, rot and corruption so invasive and institutionalized that we have accepted it as just part of societal fabric of 'who we are'.

If the Civil War was Judgment for the sin of slavery (as Lincoln famously said) - the entire nation should be in trembling fear on our faces over what judgement is coming for the sins of infant slaughter and homosexuality being promoted and championed as a 'right'. The church here has grown so lukewarm as it turned entirely inward - having abandoned doing Matthew 28:19-20 to become social clubs and corporate business conglomerates preaching the prosperity gospel.

I agree. And this is the very reason God Himself says that He will spew the lukewarm church out of His mouth in Revelation. Also, if you will notice that God is NOT inside the church of Laodicea, but on the outside. I believe the institutional/socialized church in America and around the world, today, is the Laodicean church.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
I agree. And this is the very reason God Himself says that He will spew the lukewarm church out of His mouth in Revelation. Also, if you will notice that God is NOT inside the church of Laodicea, but on the outside. I believe the institutional/socialized church in America and around the world, today, is the Laodicean church.


I would tend to agree with that position. However, that said - the Laodicean church (Sardis applies here also) - is STILL part of the Body. While they are going to be vomited out - they will have an opportunity to obtain that which has made them blind and naked through the fires of tribulation. True wealth and covering and sight to blind eyes by choosing the truth they saw no need for.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I would tend to agree with that position. However, that said - the Laodicean church (Sardis applies here also) - is STILL part of the Body. While they are going to be vomited out - they will have an opportunity to obtain that which has made them blind and naked through the fires of tribulation. True wealth and covering and sight to blind eyes by choosing the truth they saw no need for.

Yes, I agree. God deals with each individual. He urges them to do what they need to do, and some will repent and choose truth, and some won't. To those who overcome, they will receive the blessing.
 

GammaRat

Veteran Member
One of the things about the Red Sea...

I believe Israel had to step into the surf before God separated the waters. It was a test of faith.

I think that in the future, whether its the "rapture", or "Greater Exodus", or something completely different. The "Church" will also have to step out in faith, before Yeshua arrives.
 

Calhounshd

Veteran Member
God knows who’s in his church......that’s all that matters. You’re either in it or not. Hope everyone here knows the Spirit on a personal level. Truly the gift of God. Time to get that armor dirty.
I do. When I do something wrong, I feel this pressure in my chest just behind the sternum. I am surprised every time that I don't get a swift kick in the rear with a size 13 jackboot along with the pressure. That and more is what I deserve.
 

SouthernBreeze

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One of the things about the Red Sea...

I believe Israel had to step into the surf before God separated the waters. It was a test of faith.

I think that in the future, whether its the "rapture", or "Greater Exodus", or something completely different. The "Church" will also have to step out in faith, before Yeshua arrives.

We are to be living by faith and not by sight even now. We're being prepared for what lies ahead in our future when our faith is all we will have. Faith needs practice.
 

rob0126

Veteran Member
That would work for me>>>>

But I seem to recall that we have allowed the death of millions of innocents as a form of "birth control."

At some point you will note that God gets His craw full of the blasphemy and abandons those who have denied Him in every government building, who have allowed their children to be taught perversion and allow crimes to go unpunished>>>>>

After a while God gets sick of evil. And we have allowed it full rein in this country in the name of "tolerance" and "diversity" and "getting along!"

We?

I dont recall giving my recent consent to .gov to sanction abortions.

Nor to give place to:
homosexual deviance,
pedophilia,
murder of innocence,
outright injustice,
legalized deceptions,
fraud,
genocidal acts towards its own people,
hatred towards the one true God,
perpetrating allopathic medicine as a curative for ailments when its just a money making monster,
illegal spying on citizens,
outright ignoring the same rules we have to follow,
the false constitutional rule of law system (maritime),
the constant theft of our wealth (federal reserve, irs, land theft, to the moon taxations, etc),
etc, ad nauseum.

I distance myself from babylon as much as I can without being a partaker of it.

Daniel had to live in babylon but he didnt have to involve himself in its mechanisms that God was displeased with. (human sacrifices, debauchery, false god worship, lust of worldly goods, abuse of citizens, etc)

No, we repent of our known involvement in the wicked system and then fight it on our knees in prayer.

Let God handle the takedown of it.

And I hope its to give us, His people, an opportunity at a true republic; something we have not had as a nation for over a century now.

Thats what I am hoping for.

Otherwise, God will remove the righteous from the land, and then lay utter waste to it.
 
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