Suburban Survivalists Prepare for Pandemic

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<i>I am posting this as a stand-alone thread (I have posted it to the daily thread as well). Since it addresses the preping for H5N1, the information may not be seen by those interested in Preping - but not reading the daily H5N1 threads -

The Dutchman</i>





<B><center>April 3, 2006

<font size=+1 color=purple>Suburban survivalists prepare for pandemic </font>

By Jennifer Brooks
Gannett News Service
jabrooks@gns.gannett.com
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WASHINGTON -- The more stories about avian flu appeared on the news, the more canned goods and bottled water found their way into Melanie Mattson's apartment. </b>

Gradually, the 52-year-old writer from Falls Church, Va., gave over her spare bedroom to the growing emergency stockpile. If a pandemic arrives, Mattson hopes to have enough food, water and emergency supplies to see her and a few of her elderly neighbors through the catastrophe.


Avian flu is headed this way. U.S. health officials expect migratory birds to carry the lethal H5N1 flu strain to North America this year, endangering wild and domestic flocks. The threat to humans is less clear.


At the moment, the only way to catch bird flu is through very close contact with an infected bird. The disease does not spread easily from birds to humans, but when it does, the mortality rate tops 50 percent. Nearly 100 people have died of the disease, which bears an eerie resemblance to the 1918 influenza pandemic that killed millions worldwide.


The thought that H5N1 might someday mutate into a flu strain that could spread from human to human is terrifying enough to send health officials and ordinary citizens like Mattson into high alert.


A pandemic could drag on for weeks or months. Millions could die, tens of millions could fall ill and millions more would be unable or unwilling to leave their homes. Widespread absenteeism could endanger utilities and other basic services. State, federal and local emergency services would be strained to the limits.


"If you think about pandemic flu, think about 50 Katrinas," Mattson said. "The government's not going to be able to help us. We're going to be on our own."


State, federal and local governments and health officials are drawing up pandemic preparation plans. So are Mattson and thousands of other people who visit the online avian flu information network she co-founded, Flu Wiki.


As many as 15,000 people a day visit the online forum to swap news stories, debate avian flu theories and share tips about disaster preparedness. Founded less than a year ago, Flu Wiki has more than 1,200 pages of avian flu information, all of it contributed by members.


<b>"Our motto is, don't panic -- prepare," Mattson said. </b>


Preparations of another sort are under way at the Nitro-Pak Preparedness Center in Heber City, Utah. Last month, company owner Harry Weyandt decided to offer a line of avian flu survival gear. Sales are up 600 percent compared with March 2005, he said.


The avian flu supplies are the same sort of gear he sells to campers, boat owners looking to stock life rafts and people preparing for emergencies such as earthquakes, hurricanes or terrorist attacks.


First-aid kits. Freeze-dried food in bulk. Water purification equipment. Face masks -- the N95 versions recommended by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention -- along with rubber gloves and hand sanitizer.


For $4,100, shoppers can buy enough freeze-dried food to supply one person for a year or a family of four for three months. For $7,999, Nitro-Pak will ship the Ultimate Family Survival Preparedness Pak, stocked with everything from food to gas masks to sanitation equipment.


The $1,699.99 two-person Emergency Reserve kit has been very popular, Weyandt said. Compact enough to store in the back of a closet or under a bed, the kit promises six weeks' worth of meals for two people, along with hospital masks, a 40-gallon water storage unit and a water purification system.


"Y2K really kind of took the steam out of the preparedness movement," said Weyandt, referring to fears that a computer glitch on the eve of the year 2000 would crash computers worldwide and lead to widespread panic and disorder. Any number of people found themselves sitting around on New Year's Day 2000 with a garage full of canned goods and toilet paper, for nothing.


Weyandt, who founded his company 20 years ago, said Hurricane Katrina kicked off a new nationwide interest in disaster preparedness that has shifted into worries about a possible influenza pandemic.


"We're seeing a lot more professionals ordering these days. We have doctors and lawyers placing orders," Weyandt said. "I had one guy who works for the CDC call. He said, 'Everybody here is stockpiling supplies.' And I said, 'Man, if the guys from the CDC are worried, maybe this is something more people should be worried about."'


Federal health officials have begun actively encouraging Americans to make pandemic preparations.


"The things you would do to prepare for a pandemic are the things you can do for any emergency," said Christine Pearson, spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. "The difference being that a hurricane, tornado or blizzard generally hits in a limited area for a limited time."


With a pandemic, she said, "you would need to plan for something that lasts for months."


<b>Planning for bird flu</b>

There is no way of knowing if the H5N1 strain of avian flu will mutate into a disease capable of spreading to humans. But if it does, the U.S. government wants Americans to be prepared for a disaster that could cost millions of lives, drag on for months and disrupt supply chains, close businesses, stores and gas stations, and make it difficult to maintain even the most basic services like water and electricity.


<b>Make plans now:</b>



Ready a supply of food and water capable of sustaining everyone in your family for weeks or months. During a pandemic, you might not be able to get to a store, or stores might be out of supplies. This emergency supply also will come in handy for other emergencies.


Talk to family members about how they want to be cared for if they fall ill. Would they rather stay at home or seek out hospitals that might be overwhelmed with the sick and dying?


All states and most communities have made pandemic preparation plans. Get involved in local pandemic preparation efforts.


Start practicing common-sense precautions to prevent the spread of disease. Wash your hands frequently with soap and water. Cover your coughs and sneezes. Stay home if you get sick to avoid spreading disease to others. Teach children to do the same.

<b>What to stockpile: </b>


Ready-to-eat, nonperishable foods like canned meats, fruits, vegetables and soups. Protein or fruit bars. Dry cereal or granola. Powdered milk. Peanut butter, nuts and dried fruit.


<b>A manual can opener.


Baby food, if needed.


Pet food for the animals in the family.


Plenty of bottled water, both for drinking and for sanitation.


Prescription medication for everyone in the home.


Nonprescription drugs like acetaminophen or ibuprofen, stomach remedies, anti-diarrhea medication, cough and cold medicines, fluids with electrolytes and vitamins.


A thermometer.


Soap or alcohol-based hand sanitizer.


Flashlights, portable radios and batteries.


Garbage bags, tissues, toilet paper, disposable diapers.

Where to go for more information: </b>


www.pandemicflu.gov/planguide/checklist.html, the federal government's pandemic preparation site.


www.fluwikie.com, an online community dedicated to sharing information on avian flu, including preparation advice and tips on pandemic preparations


www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,1706-1,00.html, Mormon church site that offers tips on food storage and a calculator to help families gauge how much food would be necessary to survive from one month to three years.


Sources: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and GNS research
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
How do you get on Fluwikie? It says access is forbidden.


Actually it says, "you dont have permission to access on this server"
 

Bubba Zanetti

Veteran Member
Gradually, the 52-year-old writer from Falls Church, Va. (Melanie Mattson), gave over her spare bedroom to the growing emergency stockpile. If a pandemic arrives, Mattson hopes to have enough food, water and emergency supplies to see her and a few of her elderly neighbors through the catastrophe.

She's a fool. In return for getting her name in the paper, evey person within walking distance (including the entire 3 million people of DC) now potentionally knows where food and suppies are when the SHTF.

I wish her luck. :rolleyes:

Edited: For all you preditors out there, let me save you the trouble: From Yahoo people finder (you will have to do map quest yourself):

xxx W Annandale Rd
Falls Church, VA
(703) 538-xxxx
 

Brooks

Membership Revoked
Hansa44 said:
How do you get on Fluwikie? It says access is forbidden.


Actually it says, "you dont have permission to access on this server"
Fluwikie is changing servers, so just keep checking back. It should be up again soon.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
:lkick: Bubba Zanetti, you are so right. Change the first "S" to 'stock' and the 3'S' rule would apply here. Change it to Stock up, Shovel(bury your stocks/hide them), and Shut up(about having them).


Edited to add:

But, without real-time stories like this, I doubt the sheeple would listen. So maybe she won't have as many as she could, eh?
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
BREWER

As always, Dutch, another good article, and great as a stand alone,too. Here's my story. I decided to go to the local market on a Wednesday and order several cases of canned food. They gave me the case discount and asked me when I wanted delivery. I replied next week would be fine, and gave them my phone number. Over the course of the weekend I started to work out a daily menu Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner and Snacks. I wanted to get an accurate idea of how much I would need for two people for 12-18 months. On the following Monday I realized I needed to have much more than the original order of five cases so I upped it to fifteen cases. As the order had not come in yet I told them that the entire order could come either in one or two parts. The point of this is I placed that order OVER two weeks ago. I finally called back last Friday to see if they had lost my phone number or something only to find out the order did not get placed at all:sht: . Neither the first order of five cases and not the ten cases add on order were placed. [BTW,The manager of the store was there at customer 'service' when the first order was written up. She knows me as I am one of their vendors, too]. The kid in receiving I finally was connected to gave me the excuse that the night 'crew' probably just 'blew off' the order. GREAT. The point of this rant is that should anyone on this forum believe they will get 'THE' order they place during 'normal' times GOOD LUCK, under duress FORGET IT. The 'kids' that so many of these stores hire just do not give a flying squirrel. When TSHTF they in all likelihood will be even more worthless or not there at all. Everyone else will be there DEMANDING SERVICE and goods. Moral of the story is to get your menu together. NOW, would be a good time. Place large orders immediately. FOLLOW UP ON THE ORDER!!;) If you are concerned about H5N1 I call that prudent. If you think $3.00/gal [or higher] gasoline is in our immediate future you have given yourself another incentive to purchase now before the price goes through the roof. :chg:
 

Bird Guano

Inactive
workingman said:
Suburban survivalist (just add gas)

Nice. Also an "urban interface zone" prepper here.

I have the smaller "toy carrier" version with the preps loaded in the back partitioned-off "garage" instead of toys, well that along with a gun cabinet :groucho:

My diesel rig to tow it with has an add-on diesel bed tank that's good for 1,000 miles.

T300FBT.jpg
 

marsh

On TB every waking moment
Check out just where you will be going with those units. I know that there are not many places in my area with pull throughs for camping. Even the National Forests don't have them.
 

nomifyle

TB Fanatic
you don't have to have a pull through, an experienced RV hauler can back them into a camping slot. Even my husband who is not experienced can back our 32' camper into a space, LOL even though it might take him a few trys.

Judy
 

Imaginethat!

Deceased
I think those are sooo neat! They are like cabins on wheels.

The only thing though ITSHTF, isn't that kind of advertising how well prepared you are, and make you , interesting, to those who haven't prepped as well?

I kind of think a beat up , old 1980's fullsized van might be better.

Imaginethat!
 

Cruiser

Veteran Member
Hope you have a secure place to put those! I love the idea but I can also see it as a "all your eggs in one basket" type of thing. I would rather have a smaller vehicle that I could hide better and move around off road easier, though you would have to have you bulk supplies cached.
 

Drone

Contributing Member
Thank you Dutchman, for all of your posts regarding H5N1.

My BIL, a prominent pathologist, just bought 8 burial plots. He told us, if we did not have a burial plot, to get one soon, because there won't be any to be had, when this pandemic breaks out.

He was very, very serious about this.

Maybe our best preparation, is facing the reality of transition from this world, to the next.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
"The only thing though ITSHTF, isn't that kind of advertising how well prepared you are, and make you , interesting, to those who haven't prepped as well?"

Yep, you're right. Most Folks can and will think of everthing, except camouflage. Or, they'd have to bug out very early on to avoid the 'sore thumb' syndrome. Have y'all considered how to hide those huge, bright white things in the dark, green woods? Got a stock of cammo paint on hand? And don't forget about all that glass in the windows. It'll reflect sunlight very easy and give away your hidey hole. Just a couple things you guys need to consider. Btw, they do make and sell cammo paint. Three or four different colors all in one can. Paint it on and it comes out all splotched, just like regular cammo jobs.
 

Fuzzychick

Membership Revoked
Drone said:
Thank you Dutchman, for all of your posts regarding H5N1.

My BIL, a prominent pathologist, just bought 8 burial plots. He told us, if we did not have a burial plot, to get one soon, because there won't be any to be had, when this pandemic breaks out.

He was very, very serious about this.

Maybe our best preparation, is facing the reality of transition from this world, to the next.

I hope that those here are prepared, I can't say otherwise for the general population. When this hits he's probably not wrong, always to be good with God and his council.
 

LeViolinist

Veteran Member
I'm thinking that when just 'the birds' show up sick, we will put a large pan on the porch steps - wet a welcome mat with chlorine - and set our shoes on a special rug on the lanai. I don't want sick bird droppings coming in on our shoes, even in trace amounts .

For some reason I have doubts BF will be a human to human pandemic soon - but you never know - the informed seem to think so, but maybe they're getting a kickback from Walletworld.

Y2k= I was prepped for up to a year -I'm sure many of you know how hard we worked by your own experience---- then sold it all to move - sure am glad I did because I don't like canned food; even less OLD canned food. It's really bothering me to face this drill again. And I'm kind of dragging my feet on spending a lot of money on canned food and making the house sag with the load.

Then again, the tons of food and water I had for y2k would have held the house down in a tornado.

I can see doing a couple weeks hurricane-type preps, at least until there's more realistic odds of this thing mutating.
Lv
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
BREWER

LeViolinist said:
I'm thinking that when just 'the birds' show up sick, we will put a large pan on the porch steps - wet a welcome mat with chlorine - and set our shoes on a special rug on the lanai. I don't want sick bird droppings coming in on our shoes, even in trace amounts .

For some reason I have doubts BF will be a human to human pandemic soon - but you never know - the informed seem to think so, but maybe they're getting a kickback from Walletworld.

Y2k= I was prepped for up to a year -I'm sure many of you know how hard we worked by your own experience---- then sold it all to move - sure am glad I did because I don't like canned food; even less OLD canned food. It's really bothering me to face this drill again. And I'm kind of dragging my feet on spending a lot of money on canned food and making the house sag with the load.

Then again, the tons of food and water I had for y2k would have held the house down in a tornado.
LeV

I can see doing a couple weeks hurricane-type preps, at least until there's more realistic odds of this thing mutating.

Lv
Hey, Bro, H5N1 IS NOT Y2K. The Fix for the computers happened because The problem was Identified, The $money$ was allocated, The time was spent to Fix the problem...and Our prayers were answered. A 'computer virus' does not have a 58% human fatality rate either. THIS IS NOT A DRILL. H5N1 Is REAL. Re-read my post above. Re-read Dutch, PCViking, and many others HARD won research. Read Barry's book 'The Great Influenza'. "kickbacks from Walletworld'?:lkick: If you wait until H5N1 goes efficiently H2H you will wish you had moved to get those canned 'goodies' sooner. I threw out some of my OLD canned goods after Y2K didn't materialize in the vestige of POWER BLACKOUTS, but don't forget US$8Trillion dissappeared out of the 'markets' after Jan 2000. Iran, loose nukes, peak oil, INFLATION, the illegal immigration situation, come on, how many ways can I/we spell out 'GET PREPARED'? Yea, it IS a pain-in-the-ass. Lots of TIME, lots of $'s; you have insurance on everything that walks, crawls, or rolls, true? Still sending in those PREMIUM payments, true? Placed any claims over the past thirty years...maybe.;) I did like the idea of the 'decon' at the front door. See you ARE THINKING! I know your draging you feet. Time to move the rear end.:chg:
 

Mushroom

Opinionated Granny
LeViolinist said:
I'm thinking that when just 'the birds' show up sick, we will put a large pan on the porch steps - wet a welcome mat with chlorine - and set our shoes on a special rug on the lanai. I don't want sick bird droppings coming in on our shoes, even in trace amounts .

For some reason I have doubts BF will be a human to human pandemic soon - but you never know - the informed seem to think so, but maybe they're getting a kickback from Walletworld.

Y2k= I was prepped for up to a year -I'm sure many of you know how hard we worked by your own experience---- then sold it all to move - sure am glad I did because I don't like canned food; even less OLD canned food. It's really bothering me to face this drill again. And I'm kind of dragging my feet on spending a lot of money on canned food and making the house sag with the load.

Then again, the tons of food and water I had for y2k would have held the house down in a tornado.


I can see doing a couple weeks hurricane-type preps, at least until there's more realistic odds of this thing mutating.
Lv

LV, go to the sporting goods stores and buy up their freeze dried prepared meals for camper/hikers. They are tasty and are very lightweight. This is your best bet if you don't want to order in large amounts from mountain house or something similar. You can buy small amounts whenever you are out shopping and it will build up pretty fast. You can store water in 5 gallon bottles and make tables out of them. No muss, no fuss. Put 55 gallon drums out to catch rainwater then put in a goldfish to keep down the mosquitos. One at each corner of the house and you have 220 gallons of water that would be suitable for flushing or scrubbing the floor, or whatever. Get a filter and you can even drink it in a pinch. Prepping doesn't have to be mundane grocery store foods. If you don't like what you find in the store, do something else. Tailor your storage to your likes while you still have choices.

Mushroom
 

seraphima

Veteran Member
Dear Brewer,

Go around to various stores and buy a case or two or three ON SALE of the things you normally eat. If you get funny looks or questions from people or clerks, just smile and say you love to shop sales, and you save a lot of money for other toys.

Sale items are often on the floor in case lots, in stacks at the end of the aisles.

Costco and its clones are also good places for case lots, there conveniently on the shelf, with no waiting.

You will get your shopping done quickly, more anonymously, and save a bunch.

Good luck!
 

LeViolinist

Veteran Member
I hear you.
I will say I've dehydrated some garlic - and some sesame hard tack - 2 candy-cans full - have planted some parsley in pots (live enzymes) and we are thinking about how to best store water.
But from what I read, there is no way to know if this could mutate. However, even without BF, in this 'gone nuts' world anything is possible.

Today I finally contacted this very dear elderly lady in Tennessee, checking that she was okay from the storms. I asked if she was storing food and water for the BF, and she hadn't heard anything about it. She didn't know what I was talking about.
So she wrote a 'note' to herself, while we spoke, so she wouldn't forget after we hung up! Said she will get a few gallons of water and some canned things.
Lv

Lv
 

idelphic

Inactive
nomifyle said:
you don't have to have a pull through, an experienced RV hauler can back them into a camping slot. Even my husband who is not experienced can back our 32' camper into a space, LOL even though it might take him a few trys.

Judy


My Brother has a AirStream... According to several of the sites and State parks in areas that he would travel too will not allow any trailer longer then 31'.

At 32',... you would be turn away.
 

The Freeholder

Inactive
I know that there are not many places in my area with pull throughs for camping.

They can be backed up. It's a learned skill, but it isn't hard. The funny thing is that the bigger they are, the easier they are to back up.

Yep, you're right. Most Folks can and will think of everthing, except camouflage. Or, they'd have to bug out very early on to avoid the 'sore thumb' syndrome. Have y'all considered how to hide those huge, bright white things in the dark, green woods? Got a stock of cammo paint on hand? And don't forget about all that glass in the windows. It'll reflect sunlight very easy and give away your hidey hole.

A bird flu epidemic is not one of the scenarios I'm worried about having to hide in. In that scenario, I just want to stay away from everyone, and I plan on doing that by bugging in, not out.

There are, of course, other scenarios, and I have plans for those as well. Cammo tarps are cheap, don't take up much room and are useful in other circumstances, such as the storm that takes off the shingles on the roof. They have the additional benefit of not screwing up the paint job on the truck or the camper, both of which represent a sizeable capital investment.

You may think I'm crazy, but if it comes to cases I've got shelter covered from the camper down to improvised shelters. I've done my time sleeping on the cold ground, and I can do it again if necessary.

However, I think it'd be much less stressful to "survive in style" if at all possible. :D
 

Todd

Inactive
May I suggest that people go back to basic preps by buying Making the Best of Basics by James Stevens, ISBN 1-882723-25-2. It is absurd to spent thousands of dollars for hundreds of dollars worth of food. It's a good deal for twenty bucks.

Todd

PS Someone else posted a link to a Morman site some time ago: http://www.providentliving.org that will provide their idea of a food storage program. Look on the right sidebar.
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
BREWER

seraphima said:
Dear Brewer,

Go around to various stores and buy a case or two or three ON SALE of the things you normally eat. If you get funny looks or questions from people or clerks, just smile and say you love to shop sales, and you save a lot of money for other toys.

Sale items are often on the floor in case lots, in stacks at the end of the aisles.

Costco and its clones are also good places for case lots, there conveniently on the shelf, with no waiting.

You will get your shopping done quickly, more anonymously, and save a bunch.

Good luck!
Thanks saraphima. Actually, I do and have for some time. Personally, I have contacts all over to get lots of 'goodies' as I am already in the food manufacturing biz; hoever, I really appreciate the good advise. I hate the cost of shipping these days if I can't get it locally. :chg:
 

idelphic

Inactive
Todd said:
May I suggest that people go back to basic preps by buying Making the Best of Basics by James Stevens, ISBN 1-882723-25-2. It is absurd to spent thousands of dollars for hundreds of dollars worth of food. It's a good deal for twenty bucks.

Todd

PS Someone else posted a link to a Morman site some time ago: http://www.providentliving.org that will provide their idea of a food storage program. Look on the right sidebar.


Did a search for Making of the Best of Basics and found this wonderful site...

http://athagan.members.atlantic.net/PFSFAQ/PFSFAQ-7.html
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
The Freeholder:

"However, I think it'd be much less stressful to "survive in style" if at all possible."



:lkick: By darn! You got the right idea at least. I forget whose sig-line it is; but it goes, "Don't just prep to survive the coming troubles; prep to not notice them."

Carry on, Mr Freeholder. Sounds like you got a good grip on the idea of prepping. You be thinkin'; that be good, real good.;)
 
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