ECON SpaceX’s historic IPO plans

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
I jumped into that pre-sale with Newsmax, and got in at $10. Then, in a week or so, it went up over $200. I was on a RV trip at the time, and didn't have my account information with me, to transfer the account to my broker, so I could sell...

Now, it's been below $10 all this year... I'll just hold on to it, maybe some day, it will go back up...
Really nice catch and good on you. The highest price I saw just after the opening was $273.

The moral of the story is that a $5000 purchase pre-sale would have netted me $125k in one day. These are rare, but they happen once in a while. So, I always stay abreast of markets.
 

King Samson

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Really nice catch and good on you. The highest price I saw just after the opening was $273.

The moral of the story is that a $5000 purchase pre-sale would have netted me $125k in one day. These are rare, but they happen once in a while. So, I always stay abreast of markets.
That's what burned me. I saw that rise into the high $200s, but since I didn't have my account information with me on the trip, I couldn't hit the "eject" button, and cash out, and have a chunk of change... Oh well....
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
That's what burned me. I saw that rise into the high $200s, but since I didn't have my account information with me on the trip, I couldn't hit the "eject" button, and cash out, and have a chunk of change... Oh well....
I always think to myself that a pretty girl is like a bus, if you miss one, another one will be coming up the road in ten minutes.

We'll have another chance soon enough. I don't intend to miss that bus.
 
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King Samson

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SpaceX Aims for $75 Billion IPO at $135 per Share​

SpaceX plans to raise $75 billion in its initial public offering by ‌selling 555.6 million shares at a target price of $135 per share, ⁠a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.

Reuters reported earlier ⁠on Tuesday that the rocket and satellite communications company hoped ‌to raise at least $75 billion, at a ‌valuation of $1.75 trillion.

The specific target ‌price is extremely unusual at this stage because companies planning ⁠to go ‌public typically ⁠set a price range before ⁠talking ⁠to investors in a series of ‌presentations called a roadshow.

SpaceX's roadshow begins Thursday.

Usually a ‌specific target price ‌is not set until the day before the offering.

 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven

SpaceX Aims for $75 Billion IPO at $135 per Share​

SpaceX plans to raise $75 billion in its initial public offering by ‌selling 555.6 million shares at a target price of $135 per share, ⁠a source familiar with the matter told Reuters.

Reuters reported earlier ⁠on Tuesday that the rocket and satellite communications company hoped ‌to raise at least $75 billion, at a ‌valuation of $1.75 trillion.

The specific target ‌price is extremely unusual at this stage because companies planning ⁠to go ‌public typically ⁠set a price range before ⁠talking ⁠to investors in a series of ‌presentations called a roadshow.

SpaceX's roadshow begins Thursday.

Usually a ‌specific target price ‌is not set until the day before the offering.


I'm sure it isn't "set" and will fluctuate.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
It is probably a good investment. Whatever the cost, once they announce the impending doom, and ELE, and the only solution is to relocate to another planet and thousands of rockets will be needed to launch supplies into space to eventually head to that destination, the stock will be priceless.

Of course money will have no value at the point so it is kind of a moot cause save for having enough money/stock to make the cut on who gets to go.

ETA: reminds me of the space novel I wrote called Space Station Genesis (never published).
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Blue Origins is out of the picture. They only had one launch site and they blew it up. The only space game in town is SpaceX. Artemis will use SpaceX for its Lunar Landing near the North Pole of the moon. This will happen before Bezo pours concrete on a new pad. SpaceX is redundant in it has multiple pads and an assembly line production of Starship. Starship can lift 100 metric tons into space at a time. Nobody else comes close. Robots are currently being produced to prepare the landing site for humans as we move forward with a moon base. It’s not if you like it or not it’s what‘s happening.
The company producing the robots is not publicly traded. I looked.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Blue Origins is out of the picture. They only had one launch site and they blew it up. The only space game in town is SpaceX. Artemis will use SpaceX for its Lunar Landing near the North Pole of the moon. This will happen before Bezo pours concrete on a new pad. SpaceX is redundant in it has multiple pads and an assembly line production of Starship. Starship can lift 100 metric tons into space at a time. Nobody else comes close. Robots are currently being produced to prepare the landing site for humans as we move forward with a moon base. It’s not if you like it or not it’s what‘s happening.
The company producing the robots is not publicly traded. I looked.

Elon Musk aims 10,000 SpaceX launches annually within five years

Themes Humanoid Robotics ETF (BOTT)

Vaneck Robotics ETF (IBOT)
 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
In the interview with Mo Gawat Posted on the main page, he stated that Elon was on the road to being the first Trillionaire in history. He also said because of this (Space EX IPO) he was being handed a lot of power and with that kind of money and power he wasn't too crazy about the idea. Interesting times.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
SpaceX has already received orders for more than the shares available in its record-setting $75 billion initial public offering, according to people familiar with the matter, shortly after starting to formally market the deal.
So, is this the NEXT shiny object to chase, that people moved to, since Silver didn't rise to what the predictions were going to be?

Or, another meme stock pump, like Gamestop and AMC?
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
If you read the entire 426 page document that Space X put out about how amazing this new investment will be then you are probably just .0000000000001% of the people who will want to buy this IPO. Just the first 14 pages are nothing more then total hype about how wonderful it will be to have a planned colony on both the moon and Mars. How there are just amazing opportunities for minerals and PMs to be found. How all of civilization will benefit from space exploration and such. What a bunch of BS.
Just spend some time reading on the realities of even getting to Mars, let alone building a colony on it.
The reality is nothing like they 14 pages of hype that Elon is trying to sell the world.
 

TheHippie

** In Timeout **
If you read the entire 426 page document that Space X put out about how amazing this new investment will be then you are probably just .0000000000001% of the people who will want to buy this IPO. Just the first 14 pages are nothing more then total hype about how wonderful it will be to have a planned colony on both the moon and Mars. How there are just amazing opportunities for minerals and PMs to be found. How all of civilization will benefit from space exploration and such. What a bunch of BS.
Just spend some time reading on the realities of even getting to Mars, let alone building a colony on it.
The reality is nothing like they 14 pages of hype that Elon is trying to sell the world.

I just started reading the prospectus myself and I was getting the same vibe.

For those that want to follow along:

 

1911user

Veteran Member
I'll skip the prospectus, but thanks for the link. I'm in index funds so I don't have to read those or quarterly statements about any one company.

The only vibe I'm getting on the space x IPO is the pros are going to fleece the retail investors. Everyone down to the shoeshine boy "knows" that they will get rich from this IPO. That's time to run for the hills and come back after the carnage is over. Hope I'm wrong. The shoeshine boy is a 1929 stock market reference.
 

Czechsix

Senior Member
If you read the entire 426 page document that Space X put out about how amazing this new investment will be then you are probably just .0000000000001% of the people who will want to buy this IPO. Just the first 14 pages are nothing more then total hype about how wonderful it will be to have a planned colony on both the moon and Mars. How there are just amazing opportunities for minerals and PMs to be found. How all of civilization will benefit from space exploration and such. What a bunch of BS.
Just spend some time reading on the realities of even getting to Mars, let alone building a colony on it.
The reality is nothing like they 14 pages of hype that Elon is trying to sell the world.
yeah, but the pictures sure are pretty. lol.
 

KittyKatChic

Veteran Member
Or, another meme stock pump, like Gamestop and AMC?

And just like those stocks, you had to buy low and sell high. You can't be too greedy or you always get burned. I set my sell threshold when I buy and only adjust if something major happens.

Space X I expect will be an opening day pump and dump slaughterhouse. I'll probably keep 1 share for the nostalgia but most likely will set my sell threshold and if not peaked and sold by 11am, I'll re-evaluate.

*This is in no way investment advice. Just how I have approached meme stocks in general. Also the DJT IPO. It went through the roof to something like a peak of $150 (I think) in the first day of trading. Mine we gone by noon. The people that stayed have lost their investments.

But the .gov certainly takes a huge chunk from the dippers. :kk1:
 

King Samson

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Space X I expect will be an opening day pump and dump slaughterhouse. I'll probably keep 1 share for the nostalgia but most likely will set my sell threshold and if not peaked and sold by 11am, I'll re-evaluate.

*This is in no way investment advice. Just how I have approached meme stocks in general. Also the DJT IPO. It went through the roof to something like a peak of $150 (I think) in the first day of trading. Mine we gone by noon. The people that stayed have lost their investments.
That's kinda what I'm expecting too. A quick pump and dump, then head for the basement for awhile. So, if someone gets in, either keep your finger on the "sell" button, or plan on riding it for quite a long time.

Same thing happened with ARM and what happened with Newsmax and with silver last year.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Looks like there's a lot of interest. If you're not in by now, you might miss the boat..

SpaceX IPO Running at 2X Oversubscribed: Sources​

SpaceX has drawn investor demand of about $150 billion for its IPO, about double the $75 billion it is seeking to raise, said two people familiar with the matter Friday.

An oversubscription rate of two times would be considered modest for most highly anticipated market flotations — but bankers and investors said that demand is ‌impressive for the SpaceX offering since it is the largest IPO ever.
The company remains in the early stages of the marketing process, sources cautioned. Investor demand is still subject to change before the IPO prices next week.

The sources added that ⁠some large institutional investors tend to submit orders late in IPO processes, and that current subscription figures reflect indications of interest rather than final allocations, which will be set at pricing.

The sources ⁠requested anonymity because the matter is confidential. SpaceX did not respond to a request for comment. Bloomberg reported on Friday that the IPO was oversubscribed.

SpaceX launched a campaign this week to persuade investors that its IPO is a gateway ‌to trillions of dollars in new markets being opened by its space-launch, internet-connection and AI businesses.

"Lots of people ‌will have to explain why they don't own it rather than justifying a decision to buy it," said a hedge fund manager.

The roadshow presentation ‌emphasized the uniqueness of SpaceX's rocket-launching business, which it said has accounted for the lion's share of mass lofted into orbit in the past three years, and the strength of the ⁠company's Starlink internet business.

SpaceX also touted a $23 trillion ‌market opportunity it says awaits its ⁠artificial intelligence offerings, adding it is the only company that can escape the limitations of earthbound businesses and use space to ⁠build ⁠AI compute capacity that it expects to draw enormous demand in the future.

U.S. electricity generation and computer-capacity growth have lagged behind that of ‌China, partly because of hurdles facing large projects in the U.S., according to SpaceX.

The company said that shortfall can be remedied by putting data centers and other infrastructure in space using SpaceX launches.

"By dramatically ‌reducing the cost of access to space, ‌we have been able to expand our mission to address some of the Earth's most pressing challenges, including bridging the digital divide by aiming to connect over three billion unconnected people to the internet and humanity's collective knowledge," SpaceX said in the roadshow presentation.

 

bassgirl

Veteran Member
Space EX doesn't necessarily even need to go to Mars to be successful. If it manages to dominate the sky around earth it has done more than people expected. Imagine the power if you control everything from space. You would effectively control the whole planet. Especially with starling blanketing everything.
 

Czechsix

Senior Member
rumors that Musk is trying to force Schwab, etc, to assign 30% of the IPO to small investor accounts.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Or, another meme stock pump, like Gamestop and AMC?

I hope it's this.

Thanks to Robinhood shutting down trading on Gamestop I lost out on a $7000 payday.

*IF* I get the shares I am in line for during the IPO, prior to open trading the next day, maybe I can rectify that loss.

The problem is, there are no guarantees I'll be getting them as:

SpaceX’s highly anticipated $75 billion initial public offering is oversubscribed, with institutional and retail investors already placing more than twice the amount of orders as shares available. The record-setting $135 per share offering has resulted in approximately $150 billion worth of orders, driven by massive demand across the board.

Because demand far exceeds the available supply of shares, those who are not allocated shares in the IPO may face a massive price "pop" if they attempt to purchase them once trading opens on the public market.
 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
rumors that Musk is trying to force Schwab, etc, to assign 30% of the IPO to small investor accounts.

Not a rumor. Already a done deal.

Most initial public offerings (IPOs) offer retail customers only 5% to 10% of the total offering, which significantly reduces the amount of stock available to our retail clients. SpaceX has decided to reserve a much higher percentage of the offering (up to 30%), which means there should be more shares available to retail clients
 

King Samson

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The price is set, but retail allocation still up in the air​

Key Points
  • SpaceX’s set IPO price of $135 means investors have to take it or leave it.
  • The company plans to stop taking orders on Wednesday, so it has more time for share allocation on Thursday, according to people familiar with the matter.
  • SpaceX is targeting retail allocation of 30%, a much higher percentage than the typical IPO, which is 5% to 10% for retail investors.
Nothing about SpaceX’s initial public offering is ordinary. The rocket maker is aiming to raise a record sum, by a wide margin, at a historic valuation, and will be controlled by Elon Musk, who’s also CEO of Tesla
, another trillion-dollar company.

When it comes to the mechanics of the share sale, SpaceX is offering a take-it-or-leave-it price of $135, rather than providing a range and then pricing the deal based on demand, as is customary in IPOs.

But as the stock offering gets underway on Thursday, certain customs will be familiar to Wall Street. At some point, all of the IPO shares — roughly $75 billion worth — have to get allocated to the underwriters and asset managers so they can reach their clients before trading begins on Friday.

“Elon has dictated the price, and, assuming investors go for it, you can check that box,” said Lise Buyer, founder of IPO consultancy Class V Group. “But somebody still has to determine where the shares are going.”

In a typical offering, the pricing takes place the evening before the market debut. In the weeks leading up to that point, the issuer, in tandem with the underwriters, provides a price range and then lifts it if investors are showing signs of enthusiasm.

Heading into its abbreviated roadshow last week, the company said $135 is the share price and $1.77 trillion is the anticipated market cap. That’s for a company that generated $18.7 billion in revenue last year and recorded an operating loss of $4.2 billion.

SpaceX has told investors that it plans to stop taking orders on Wednesday, a day early, according to people familiar with the matter who asked not to be named because the details are private. That allows the company and its underwriters to take all of Thursday to map out allocations for the record-breaking IPO, one of the people said. That process would usually be more truncated, with allocations occurring after the official pricing is decided, closer to the market open.

 

Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Well... I was able to acquire 10 shares out of the 40 I requested. Trading is currently halted on SPCX and is expected to resume in around 2-3 hours.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Could be the biggest pump n dump ever recorded. You know a lot of people want to get in…double their money and dump it later today. With everything going on in the world I don’t think I would want to be long on anything going into the weekend.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Interesting, just saw a quick video clip of Musk talking at SpaceX. He said, when he started the company in a warehouse in CA, he gave it less than a 10% chance of surviving....

And here we are today....
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Could be the biggest pump n dump ever recorded. You know a lot of people want to get in…double their money and dump it later today. With everything going on in the world I don’t think I would want to be long on anything going into the weekend.
Man... you've been such a Debbie Downer lately... maybe it's time to go take the pup on a nice walk in the sunshine or something, and stop looking at the squashed bugs on the windshield... You'll feel better, and the pup will love it!!

I'm taking my dude for a run around 1 PM today. Wanna come along?
 

King Samson

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Let's see what happens...

SpaceX’s first trade indicated around $175 per share ahead of opening: Live updates​


The first so-called indications of interest are coming through on SpaceX shares on Wall Street trading desks.

They indicate SpaceX would open around $175 a share, representing about a 30% pop from the IPO price of $135 a share.

The indications are sent in before an initial offering opens and are used by trading desks to set the first trade based on supply and demand for the stock.

 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Man... you've been such a Debbie Downer lately... maybe it's time to go take the pup on a nice walk in the sunshine or something, and stop looking at the squashed bugs on the windshield... You'll feel better, and the pup will love it!!

I'm taking my dude for a run around 1 PM today. Wanna come along?

I feel great and have no doubt I could run you around the block and then some as I’ve already had a 3 mile run at 5am this morning.

Look at the history of IPO valuations and juxtapose that with the current situation in the world. If you want to be long on anything that is your business of course.

There is a reason why Buffett and Berkshire are sitting mostly in cash right now. In such a bubble environment with more needles than a pin cushion and with epic flip flops coming out of the White House it isn’t wise to stick your neck too far out.
 

King Samson

I'm Here
Look at the history of IPO valuations and juxtapose that with the current situation in the world. If you want to be long on anything that is your business of course.
Just remember, "you have to be in it, to win it". You don't win anything, sitting on your hands...

There is a reason why Buffett and Berkshire are sitting mostly in cash right now.
As well as I am. Well, not mostly, but I have plenty of "dry powder" to put into play.

I was originally going to jump into the IPO... but figured I'd let the pump and dump clear, and I'll buy the scraps, at pennies on the dollar.
 
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