POL Sounds like Obama is forming his own Army...

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is related to my National Service thread from the other day, but I thought it was important enough to spin off into its own thread.

Fair use
http://voanews.com/english/2008-07-02-voa15.cfm

Obama has proposed expanding government funded national service programs like Americorps inside the United States, as well as a plan to employ military veterans in the rapidly expanding field of renewable energy.

Obama also spoke about how his service programs would have an impact overseas.

"And we are going to grow our foreign service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy," said Obama. "We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
 
well

yes, I have to say, IF this is an accurate statement, it is the only one I can ever recall that a President or candidate for that office has made that immediately reminds me of Adolph Hitler's SS. Sure, you can argue about the brown shirts, or the people's brigades, or the Hitler youngen.


But, JUST AS STRONG as the United States Military?


"We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded"


He already hit me as a gun grabbing marxist nut (just like Hitlery) and now he carries it one step forward. A big dangerous step. I am sure he will side shuffle away from the ramifications, but a freudian slip anyway.



This is one of the main things that has bothered me about this guy. He didn't GROW UP HERE. He grew up in pissant ant little countries like Kenya and Indonesia. Overseas exposure can be a good thing. Growing up with your relatives being muslim and living in huts, and both countries have a very long history of self violence, can be a very bad thing if it appears you are very class oriented, very racist, and have very much a victim mentality.

For those of you who don't know or don't remember, Indonesia was ruled by a ruthless violent dictator for the time Obama was growing up there.



Indonesia’s ex-dictator Suharto dies
Former dictator Suharto, an army general who crushed Indonesia's communist movement and pushed aside the country's founding father to usher in 32 years of tough rule that saw up to a million political opponents killed, died Sunday. He was 86.




Kenya, has a long history of tribal violence and colonial rule. It is the land of the infamous Mau Mau uprisings.


Mau Mau Rebellion

During World War II, many young Kenyan men were drafted into the British army and served across the globe. Their eyes were opened by what they saw and when they returned to Kenya after the war, they found that they were given the same menial, low-paying dead-end work. By the early 1950s, this dissatisfaction gave rise to a protest movement called the "Mau Mau rebellion."

The Mau Mau movement was mostly among the Kikuyus and they forced people to take an oath to oppose the British rule. Perhaps 90 percent of the Kikuyu in Central Province on Mount Kenya took the oath, willingly and unwillingly. The remaining 10 percent were the loyalists who worked for the British colonial government. Although Jomo Kenyatta, who later became president, was originally jailed as a Mau Mau leader, they soon realized that he was really a loyalist. Additionally, his son, Peter Kenyatta, with Jomo Kenyatta's blessing, was one of the leaders of the loyalists. Kenyatta was soon separated from the other Mau Mau leaders.

The suppression of Mau Mau was extremely brutal. A larger percentage of the Kikuyu population in Central Province died during the suppression of Mau Mau in the 1950s than Rwandans perished during the 1994 Rwandan genocide. Torture was prevalent. Women and children were put into concentration camps with little food and medical care, and as a result a large number of them died. No one should be under the illusion that the British were "better" colonialists than the Germans or Belgians. The technique the British used here was to deny everything with massive cover-ups and much of this history is only now being uncovered.



Kenyan Violence didn't end in the fifties. Here is news from TODAY's Kenya:


The government, Kiraithe said, wants "trouble makers" to understand they cannot act with impunity, attacking, burning and killing, that they cannot hide behind political parties.

The spasm of political violence that has crippled Kenya erupted soon after the December elections, when the opposition Orange Democratic Party accused President Mwai Kibaki of rigging the vote to win re-election in a race against its leader Raila Odinga. It soon took on ethnic overtones.

More than 860 people have been killed and more than 200,000 displaced in the turmoil, the Red Cross said. The Red Cross has put the number at 863. There was no fresh violence reported in Kenya Wednesday.

The United States has said it will consider imposing sanctions against members of the Kenyan government and opposition figures who are instigating the violence.






Now that he is a "heartbeat" away from the most powerful position in the world, I find it very disturbing that he spent so much of his wonderbread years NOT in the country he hopes to rule, but in lands seeped in violence, dictatorship, harsh and brutal government control, and a "subclass" that Obama very much identifies with.


Imagine the 'round' the dinner table conversations his family had........................


I'll take an "American" raised on apple pie, country fairs, downhome cooking, and seeped in the glorys of American history any day of the week.
 
Last edited:

denfoote

Inactive
We already do.
If Obama read his Constitution, that's what the Militia spoken of in the Second Amendment is for!!
Of course, Barak the Majic Communist can't stand the thought of guns in the hands of Der Volk!!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Actually, I kind of like the idea.....

Let's go one step further and roll it all together, make service compulsory IF ONE WISHES TO VOTE. If one wishes to vote, one must serve 2 years in SOME NATIONAL SERVICE CAPACITY either mil or civilian. At the completion of the 2 years of service, one gets the right to vote.

It's the Starship Troopers Concept.
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nothing like starting them young...

Welcome to Kids for Obama

In the words of Senator Barack Obama, the "Obama for America Campaign is a different type of campaign". For the first time in campaign history, children ages 12 and under, have a place to go and actually vote? through their voice. What a great way to be introduced to politics and to express your support for Senator Obama.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidshome/

Do you feel like you want to get involved in the political process but you don’t know how? Do you feel like there’s something important coming up in the Presidential elections? Get involved in KIDS FOR OBAMA! Studies have shown that kids can affect their parents and their siblings’ opinions and even change the opinions of older family members . . . including those of voting age. Are you still with me? Great, Let’s get started!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidskit
 

CygnusXI

Inactive
What are they gonna do, walk around and sing Kumbayah? O doesn't believe in guns, right?

His "youths" won't get (or need) guns. They have cell phones. They call the leos...who DO have the guns.

What will they do?
Report you for...

Watering your lawn, mowing your lawn, having a backyard fire, speaking ill of (fill in the blank) at a loud party your having, etc etc.

Come with me sir.
Why?
You are an enemy of the state.
WTF?!
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Nope Obama will make what happened in Rhodesia and South Africa look like a Sunday picnic. He will do his dead level best to make Haiti look like a paradise

Dont forget cousin Odinga of Kenya who Obama campaigned for in 2006.
 

Attachments

  • obama %20and%20odinga.jpg
    obama %20and%20odinga.jpg
    16.4 KB · Views: 95
Last edited:

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Funny you ention Haiti Thomas:

Haiti Sitrep (cross posted):
The current situation in Haiti is calm on the surface however the underlying root problems of the population are actually worse than they've been since widespread violence and riots led to the ousting of the Prime Minister and collapse of the government earlier this year. Poverty, unemployment, starvation, lack of electricity in whole parts of the country, the rising cost of living, rising fuel costs and an oppressive summer heat wave have left the masses miserable, many are hopeless and a general malaise has settled in amongst the poor.

Amidst these conditions, "political activists" are agitating the population and rousing the public sentiment against the government and "wealthy elite". This is an old story in Haiti that plays out over and over again as various pundits engage in heated finger pointing battles over who's at fault. The National Police have suspended all but minimal operations due to a lack of operational funds and due to an absence of executive authority in the government. Haiti is still without a Prime Minister resulting in "constitutionally non-functioning" government without the executive authority to move forward or address the issues.

The food shortages are becoming critical and the missionary network "For Haiti With Love", a leading charity group that purchases rice in bulk is reporting that they are having trouble buying rice at any price. Eva Dehart says that if it's possible, the situation (starvation) is even worse now. "One of the wholesalers agreed to sell us his very last 75 bags of rice ($48 for 110# bag). Since then, we've been looking for more because nobody has any at even a twice-reasonable price. The importers went to Port au Prince, but they came back empty-handed."

The Dominican Republic has once again restricted their borders to keep their food in the D.R. and is prohibiting many Haitians from crossing. The border is not sealed but visas are becoming harder to obtain. This makes the situation desperate and could have a major impact on the progress made in getting order and tranquility re-established in Haiti.

Violent crime in the lower economic class communities is "rampant and unchecked" after darkness according to police officials. Criminal gangs that were largely suppressed by aggressive government actions are retaking control of large blocks of Port-au-Prince from roughly 10PM until 5AM. Solid credible intelligence backed by a rash of home invasion robberies indicates that the wealthy communities will be increasingly targeted for late night violent crime. Clubs and restaurateurs in the upscale Petionville areas are reportedly paying large and increasing amounts to the local police to ward off criminals in their areas. In some clubs the Police can be regularly seen showing up in full "battle-rattle" to extort the owners for protection money.

The Haitian National Police Department is being directly accused of complicity in numerous kidnappings. Numerous government officials at the highest levels are "persons or organizations of interest" according to an international investigative body. Haiti has made it again into the top 5 list of corrupt countries according to Transparency International.
A spokesperson for the Haiti Anti-Kidnapping Task Force has confirmed they believe that foreigners are being increasingly targeted and known cases support that opinion.

Anti-US sentiment is growing due to a decision by USAID, the largest single monetary contributor to the Haitian economy, to withhold further money until the government appoints a new Prime Minister. The Center for Human Rights and Global Justice at the New York University School of Law and a number of human rights groups have accused the United States of denying Haiti money for clean drinking water, to force political change in the country. In a recent report, activists said the US has caused a delay in the release of US$54 million (£27.4m) in loans. The Haitian government was to use the loans to overhaul the water and sanitation systems in two towns in desperate need, Les Cayes and Port-de-Paix.

The Pro-Aristide party Fanmi Lavalas is thriving in the current state of affairs. Human rights leader, Liberation Theology priest and Lavalas spiritual leader, Father Gerard Jean-Juste, was exonerated of all charges stemming from the slaying of a Haitian journalist in Haiti three years ago. The Catholic priest was held in custody pending investigation for more than a year for possessing illegal weapons. He was released provisionally on humanitarian grounds for cancer in late 2005. A Haitian magistrate ruled there wasn't enough evidence to support charges against him. This has strengthened his own personal power among his followers and he's widely believed to be the sponsor for a radical black liberation activist who's coming to Haiti with a message of "white man and white women extermination" as a means of black advancement. It has been widely rumored that Lavalas has received a cash infusion of $72K USD to press their agenda around July 15 on Aristide's birthday.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/kidshome/

10 Ways Kids for Obama can get involved:

Create a Kids for Obama Group on My.Barackobama.com. For example, Chicago Kids for Obama or DC Kids for Obama and throw a party!

Write a letter or editorial to your local news paper, expressing "Why Barack Obama should become the next US President".

Find a Pen Pal - it could be in your school, city, state, or another state. Write and discuss different ways you can get involved.

Draw a picture of Senator Barack Obama or "an expression of Democracy". For example, the Senator sitting in the White House or working on Capitol. Hill. You can send your drawing to the Obama for America Campaign Headquarters in Chicago and it will be posted for the Senator to see.

Implement T-Shirt Thursday. Get friends to wear an official Obama for America T-Shirt to school.

Take an adult (voting age) to the polls on Election Day and encourage them to vote for you, by voting for Senator Obama.

Post an official Obama for America Campaign sticker/logo on your school bag.

Wear an Obama for America Campaign button and/or clothing.

Host a Senator Barack Obama House Party or sleep-over.

Contribute to the Kids for Obama Blog .
 

Fisher

Has No Life - Lives on TB

Attachments

  • obama cousin ODINGA 1 30kenya.jpg
    obama cousin ODINGA 1 30kenya.jpg
    52.3 KB · Views: 94
  • obama cousin ODINGA 2 30kenya.jpg
    obama cousin ODINGA 2 30kenya.jpg
    68.9 KB · Views: 95
  • obama cousin ODINGA 3 30kenya1_lg.jpg
    obama cousin ODINGA 3 30kenya1_lg.jpg
    70.6 KB · Views: 94
  • obama cousin ODINGA 4 r214082_828024.jpg
    obama cousin ODINGA 4 r214082_828024.jpg
    47.2 KB · Views: 92

American Rage

Inactive
Quote from Night Drivers article: he's widely believed to be the sponsor for a radical black liberation activist who's coming to Haiti with a message of "white man and white women extermination" as a means of black advancement. It has been widely rumored that Lavalas has received a cash infusion of $72K USD to press their agenda around July 15 on Aristide's birthday.



Horrible for Haitian whites, but could wake up some here to Obama's minister's true agenda.


Rage
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Actually, I kind of like the idea.....

Let's go one step further and roll it all together, make service compulsory IF ONE WISHES TO VOTE. If one wishes to vote, one must serve 2 years in SOME NATIONAL SERVICE CAPACITY either mil or civilian. At the completion of the 2 years of service, one gets the right to vote.

It's the Starship Troopers Concept.

I agree. It would be a good thing for a good majority of our youth today. If you drop out of school you have to serve immediately. Doesn't everyone in Israel serve in some national service?
 
I

liked reading Heinlen. But he had a lot of facist themes in some of his books.


Starship Troopers IS a fantasy.......... get that?



"Doesn't everyone in Israel serve in some national service?"



It is irrelevant what policies Israel has. It is NOT the United States.
 

Thomas Paine

Has No Life - Lives on TB
liked reading Heinlen. But he had a lot of facist themes in some of his books.


Starship Troopers IS a fantasy.......... get that?



"Doesn't everyone in Israel serve in some national service?"



It is irrelevant what policies Israel has. It is NOT the United States.


Heinlein's idea's were not facist, more nationalist.While I happen to agree that only military veterans with satisfactory discharges should be able to exercise the franchise that ain't what the constitution sezs so it is a moot point. I am not for the draft or forced national service as love of country and patriotism cannot be forced on someone they either have it or don't. You really have a bug up your arse about Israel don't you DS? I mean while I admire their resolve and courage to do what needs to be done , I would prefer they not do it on my tax dollars but as the only stable democracy in the mid east and as they are at least allies most of the time I csan tolerate the aid. But what the hell I'm a WOT nuckle dragger who believe we are not killing enough of the islamics.
 
The

Founding Fathers did not put mandatory military service as a prerequisite to vote, nor to hold local office, nor to hold high office because from the very beginning they new they did not want to form a militaristic nation.


I think a good many of you have not studied much early history or the reasons some of the Constitution and Bill of Rights were formed the way they were.


They knew that militarism always leads to dictatorship.
 

Wardogs

Deceased
I think that this whole proposal is more about Obama than service to the nation no matter what form it takes.
This is most obvious in his "Obama for kids" campaign.
It's not about teaching young people about the Democratic process at all, it's about electing HIM to office. Very transparent. Very scary.

MtnGal - I agree. It would be a good thing for a good majority of our youth today. If you drop out of school you have to serve immediately. Doesn't everyone in Israel serve in some national service?

In Israel military service is mandatory for everyone at age 18, or completion of 12th grade, for both male (3 years) and female (2 years). The reason for that is different than the draft was here though. Israel has been at war from her birth.
Our armed forces have improved dramatically since it became a volunteer force, despite the pillaging of the Clinton years. IMHO, it makes for a better military in our country.
 
Top