REL GENRL No Catholic Believes What Francis Just "Approved"

Squib

Squib

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Blacknarwhal said:
8:58 Pope Francis rolls out a new document that condemns the death penalty, among other things.
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I thought that’s been Roman Catholic dogma for a while now…?

Perhaps a RC member could better explain, but I’ve heard that it’s merely a consistent view that all life is sacred.

It all starts out that way, but innocent blood is not to be spilled, those who forfeit their lives have to be made to pay for it in this life…even if they've repented and Christ has forgiven them in the life to come.

Of course, YMMV
 
ShadowMan

ShadowMan

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Frankly, I wouldn't trust ANYTHING that comes out of the Vatican until they acknowledge and apologize and pay restitution for all the EVIL they have done down through the centuries. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black regarding death penalties. Think about all the religious wars propagated by the vatican, torture, murder, theft, sodomy, etc., etc., etc., that POPES are responsible for inflicting on people for the last almost TWO THOUSAND Years.
 
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Luddite

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bracketquant said:
I've been instructed to let the wheat grow up with the tares. Anyone else?
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At what stage is enabling considered righteous?

I'm against the expensive, protracted and incongruous implementation of the death penalty. Against the prisoner advocates that so heartily fawn over violent prisoners while ignoring the carnage that victims and their families endure.

The government can't do much of anything right, why would they get capital punishment right?

Peter sliced off the servant of the high priest's ear in defense of his innocent friend. That was stopped for a specific purpose. If a Christian feels compelled to be a pacifist unto death, "good for them".
Some of us "ain't that guy".

I think every potential victim should sentence their assailant to immediate death. The "state's" only job should be to ensure that isn't abused. (I.E. stand your ground laws)
 
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bracketquant

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Luddite said:
At what stage is enabling considered righteous?

I'm against the expensive, protracted and incongruous implementation of the death penalty. Against the prisoner advocates that so heartily fawn over violent prisoners while ignoring the carnage that victims and their families endure.

The government can't do much of anything right, why would they get capital punishment right?

Peter sliced off the servant of the high priest's ear in defense of his innocent friend. That was stopped for a specific purpose. If a Christian feels compelled to be a pacifist unto death, "good for them".
Some of us "ain't that guy".

I think every potential victim should sentence their assailant to immediate death. The "state's" only job should be to ensure that isn't abused. (I.E. stand your ground laws)
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Do you mean that every potential victim should sentence their potential assailant to immediate death?

You are not clear about your meaning of potential.
 
Blacknarwhal

Blacknarwhal

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GammaRat said:
A lot of tares think they're wheat.
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That's not a surprise. From what I've been able to tell, tares and wheat look almost the same. Between that and the heart being desperately wicked and deceitful above all else, it's absolutely no surprise that tares would believe in their hearts that they are wheat. Frankly, I think that's kind of a problem that it's so easy to make that mistake and have it send you to hell forever. And that's going to happen, from what I hear. You listen to people like Stewart Best long enough and almost every bit of wheat is actually a tare.
 
Hfcomms

Hfcomms

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Blacknarwhal said:
You listen to people like Stewart Best long enough and almost every bit of wheat is actually a tare.
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His sheep hear his voice and the voice of a stranger they will not follow. Stewart's condemnations don't resonate with the Shepherd's voice and it's left him frankly a very miserable man.
 
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Luddite

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bracketquant said:
Do you mean that every potential victim should sentence their potential assailant to immediate death?

You are not clear about your meaning of potential.
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If every person facing immediate and life altering violence killed their assailant the prisons wouldn't be so full.

The state's job should be to promote the safety and welfare of those that cannot or won't protect themselves.

A generic comment about "tares" and "wheat" is just as apt to be misunderstood regarding post 1.

Care to elucidate?
 
Red Baron

Red Baron

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Hermantribe said:
I believe it’s part of the “kill” versus “murder” confusion. The Commandment is actually “Thou shall not murder” but due to mis translations along the way, it’s been confused. Defending yourself or another may lead to killing, but not murder.
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That is what I believe is the correct interpretation of that Commandment.
 
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Luddite

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Hermantribe said:
I believe it’s part of the “kill” versus “murder” confusion. The Commandment is actually “Thou shall not murder” but due to mis translations along the way, it’s been confused. Defending yourself or another may lead to killing, but not murder.
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Good point but it goes further than that.

By so strongly protecting the sanctity of violent convicts at the expense of innocent victims justice disappears.

I need not describe all the ways justice is being adulterated at present time.

Ftr, theologically speaking, my sins are just as bad as the most violent convict's.
My propitiation is the shed blood of Jesus. A violent convicted murderer is most certainly deserving of a state sponsored execution. IF they truly claim the same propitiation, they'll be in heaven same as me. Joint heirs. But they won't be here to ever hurt someone again. Earthly justice promotes domestic tranquility...
 
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bracketquant

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Luddite said:
If every person facing immediate and life altering violence killed their assailant the prisons wouldn't be so full.

The state's job should be to promote the safety and welfare of those that cannot or won't protect themselves.

A generic comment about "tares" and "wheat" is just as apt to be misunderstood regarding post 1.

Care to elucidate?
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The wheat and tares is only in reference to those who profess to be part of the church, not an encounter with a random street thug. Some, here, talk about the killing of the Pope.
 
day late

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Hermantribe said:
I believe it’s part of the “kill” versus “murder” confusion. The Commandment is actually “Thou shall not murder” but due to mis translations along the way, it’s been confused. Defending yourself or another may lead to killing, but not murder.
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Very true. When The Lord gave The Law, He included the right to self-defense. Lethal if necessary.
 
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