Volcano So how big was Hunga Tunga blast?

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
My Google Fu must be weak. I've been looking around the internet wondering just how big the recent Hunga Tunga blast was compared to other past volcanic eruptions? I think it was bigger than Mount St. Helens, but was it bigger than Mt. Pinatubo? What about Vesuvius? Surely not as big at Krakatoa. Yet the blast was heard up to 5,000 miles away. That's one hell of a belch. The initial ash cloud was said to be over 100 miles wide and 100,000 feet high. That's pretty up there. The tsunami was pretty high depending on where in the world you were, nearly a meter on the US West Coast and 3 meters in parts of Japan. Respectable. So how much ash was tossed up in the air? Weather effects etc. So what are the stats?

Just curious.
 
My Google Fu must be weak. I've been looking around the internet wondering just how big the recent Hunga Tunga blast was compared to other past volcanic eruptions? I think it was bigger than Mount St. Helens, but was it bigger than Mt. Pinatubo? What about Vesuvius? Surely not as big at Krakatoa. Yet the blast was heard up to 5,000 miles away. That's one hell of a belch. The initial ash cloud was said to be over 100 miles wide and 100,000 feet high. That's pretty up there. The tsunami was pretty high depending on where in the world you were, nearly a meter on the US West Coast and 3 meters in parts of Japan. Respectable. So how much ash was tossed up in the air? Weather effects etc. So what are the stats?

Just curious.
well on the radio the other day there was some speculation about it having been a nuclear bomb. Apparently the were no tremors or activity before hand indication something was about to occur (?) as a test or message being sent . . . something like 100 Hiroshimas was what they said. . . so is there any radiation.? I don't think so

Did you look for anything on You tube?
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
It was estimated to be a VEI 5 as per the two threads about the volcano in the earth changes forum.



 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Saw a video about the sulphur release that put it at a large VEI4 or small VEI5. I think they said 0.3 cubic km of ash but I don't think all the measurements are in.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
well on the radio the other day there was some speculation about it having been a nuclear bomb. Apparently the were no tremors or activity before hand indication something was about to occur (?) as a test or message being sent . . . something like 100 Hiroshimas was what they said. . . so is there any radiation.? I don't think so

Did you look for anything on You tube?

I'm not sure where you're getting your information but it is incorrect! The volcano has been erupting for some time now, but the eruptions were small, as were most of the quakes in and around the volcano.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I watched something on youtube last night and the scientist said we have never seen a volcano explode with such force. That it was the largest ever seen.

That's the only upside to cameras being everywhere and the space over our heads cluttered with satellites, eruptions like this were captured in real time. Can you imagine what imagery we'd have of the Mt. Saint Helens and Pinatubo eruptions if everyone and their dog had had cell phones with cameras back in the day?
 

medic38572

TB Fanatic
That's the only upside to cameras being everywhere and the space over our heads cluttered with satellites, eruptions like this were captured in real time. Can you imagine what imagery we'd have of the Mt. Saint Helens and Pinatubo eruptions if everyone and their dog had had cell phones with cameras back in the day?

I am sure they had satellite imagery of Mt saint helens blowing. I am sure not like thhe imagery of today. But I must say it looked like a major explosion of something I have never seen before even the nuke tst videos. But with that said we should had to been there to truly believe the amount of force. From the local videos I watched it was pretty amazing hearing them blasts thn watching the tsunami roll in and day turn to night from the ash. Pretty impressive.
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I've read that the Hunga Tunga (NASA says 10 Mega-tons) blast was 500 and 600 times bigger than the Hiroshima bomb ....but that A- bomb's shock wave and sonic blast wasn't heard and felt 4,000 to 5,000 miles away? St. Helen's wasn't and I don't think Pinatubo's was either. Now Krakatoa's blast wave was actually said to be head and felt around the globe from what I recall reading. It did seem to be a very fast explosion.

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One source is saying it's on the 5 scale VEI...that's right around Pinatubo size.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
As large a blast that it was, it is amazing that locally we see not affects from it. Most people do not realize how remote and far away islands in the pacific are.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I'm not sure where you're getting your information but it is incorrect! The volcano has been erupting for some time now, but the eruptions were small, as were most of the quakes in and around the volcano.
Remember the last time this happened we discovered there were two types of V scales, I don't remember the details but they make things very confusing unless you are a geologist and have to learn this stuff in great detail.

VI5 sounds about right for the type of scale we are used to.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I figured it was between Pinatubo and Tambora, it just didn't do as much damage (that we know of, not yet) worldwide because part of it was under the ocean. But it may turn out to do funky things to the weather for the next couple of years and the sunsets may be awesome.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I have no idea how big the island was but it looked like it blew away 3 to 4 square miles of land and news from New Zealand was reporting ash as high as 64,000.Ft which is higher than the aircraft the they sent to survey the damage can fly.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I figured it was between Pinatubo and Tambora, it just didn't do as much damage (that we know of, not yet) worldwide because part of it was under the ocean. But it may turn out to do funky things to the weather for the next couple of years and the sunsets may be awesome.

It could seriously mess up the ocean currents in the southern hemisphere.
 

SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
I concur on the ten megaton energy release. Today I’ve seen two other, much smaller estimates. As eruptions go, this one is up there with the big dogs, but Toba, 70,000 years ago, had a VEI index of 8, and culled most of humanity at that time…
The Youngest Toba eruption has been linked to a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago, which may have resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption on the global climate. According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals. It is supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.

Toba’s eruption 70,000 years ago was 2000 to 6000 cubic kilometers, making it the third largest eruption to ever occur. The largest eruption to date, according to geologists, was at the Paraná and Etendeka traps, 132 million years ago, with 8,600. cubic kilometers released.

Still, Tonga is nothing to sneeze at…
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I concur on the ten megaton energy release. Today I’ve seen two other, much smaller estimates. As eruptions go, this one is up there with the big dogs, but Toba, 70,000 years ago, had a VEI index of 8, and culled most of humanity at that time…
The Youngest Toba eruption has been linked to a genetic bottleneck in human evolution about 70,000 years ago, which may have resulted in a severe reduction in the size of the total human population due to the effects of the eruption on the global climate. According to the genetic bottleneck theory, between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago, human populations sharply decreased to 3,000–10,000 surviving individuals. It is supported by some genetic evidence suggesting that today's humans are descended from a very small population of between 1,000 and 10,000 breeding pairs that existed about 70,000 years ago.

Toba’s eruption 70,000 years ago was 2000 to 6000 cubic kilometers, making it the third largest eruption to ever occur. The largest eruption to date, according to geologists, was at the Paraná and Etendeka traps, 132 million years ago, with 8,600. cubic kilometers released.

Still, Tonga is nothing to sneeze at…

Walla Walla eruption did a lot of damage as well. There's a gif somewhere Walla Walla River Valley eruption eclipsed the YS eruption.
 

SurvivalRing

Rich Fleetwood - Founder - author/coder/podcaster
Here ya go…


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The undersea volcano near the island nation of Tonga erupted on Saturday with an explosive force that was more than 600 times as powerful as the atomic bomb dropped on Hiroshima, Japan, according to scientists and reports.

James Garvin, the chief scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, told NPR that they came up "with a number that's around 10 megatons of TNT equivalent."

That means the volcano blast was equal to the force of more than 650 "Little Boy" atomic bombs, one of which was dropped on Hiroshima, Japan in 1945 during WWII and had an estimated force of 15,000 tons of TNT.

The Hunga Tonga-Hunga Ha'apai volcano erupted with a blast heard thousands of miles away in New Zealand and Alaska. It also produced a giant mushroom cloud in the sky and sent tsunami waves across the Pacific.

Scientists say it was likely one of the world’s biggest eruptions in the past 30 years and probably one of the loudest events to occur on Earth in over a century.

"This might be the loudest eruption since [the eruption of the Indonesian volcano] Krakatau in 1883," Michael Poland, a geophysicist with the U.S. Geological Survey told the outlet.

The blast was so large because the magma inside the volcano was under enormous pressure and had gasses trapped within it, with a fracture in the rock likely causing a sudden drop in pressure, according to Shane Cronin, a volcanology professor at the University of Auckland.

While the eruption on Saturday was explosive, it was also relatively brief, lasting only about 10 minutes. Other big eruptions can sometimes continue for hours, the Associated Press reported.

Tonga appears to have avoided widespread disaster, despite sitting nearly at the top of the volcano. However, dozens of homes were destroyed and authorities reported at least three deaths on Wednesday.

Garvin told NPR that a volcanic explosion of that size shouldn't be expected in the near future.

"If the past precedent for volcanic eruptions in this kind of setting has any meaning at all," Garvin said, "then we won't have another one of these explosions for a while."
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
A couple of notes on explosions and detonations. All explosions are not detonations. Black powder explosions and even smokeless powder gunfire are more correctly called conflagrations (or rapid burning). Yes, I know they don't sound like burning, but that's what they are.

True detonations are a function of high explosives, where the shockwave causes an actual chemical change in the explosive constituents, virtually instantaneously. As an example of relative speeds, most pistol bullets travel at around 800 to 1200 feet-per-second. Most centerfire rifle bullets travel at between 2500 and 3000 feet-per-second and nitroglycerine has a detonation speed of around 25,000 feet-per-second! It's the detonation shockwave which can kill people in war who don't have a single visible wound on their bodies.

I haven't read what the detonation velocity of the Tonga volcano was but I did see the satelite video(s) and its speeds were easily in the detonation range.

That is very rare for natural phenomenon.

Best
Doc
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I haven't read what the detonation velocity of the Tonga volcano was but I did see the satelite video(s) and its speeds were easily in the detonation range.

That is very rare for natural phenomenon.

go read about the how and why in the big thread.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
In resent weeks I have read a few articles and one report looks like it's coming the global warming-climate change people claiming this volcano eruption is warming the planet.
I seen a number of weather reports of extreme weather and colder than normal coming from the southern part of our planet and summer is winter for people living there.
Now much talk of how this winter is already colder then normal for the northern part of our world and seeing early record snow falls early in the year and the forecast looking worse than has been seen in a while.
As this volcanic eruption is an going event and may take a few more years before it ends and we have not seen the worst from this one.
 
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packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
In resent weeks I have read a few articles and one report looks like it's coming the global warming-climate change people claiming this volcano eruption is warming the planet.
I seen a number of weather reports of extreme weather and colder than normal coming from the southern part of our planet and summer is winter for people living there.
Now much talk of how this winter is already colder then normal for the northern part of our world and seeing early record snow falls early in the year and the forecast looking worse than has been seen in a while.
As this volcanic eruption is an going event and may take a few more years before it ends and we have not seen the worst from this one.

there's NO WAY this eruption is warming the planet, and I've seen a couple of articles claiming it was doing just that. The earth's core may be heating up, but that's in no way man made!

If anything this eruption is cooling the earth due to the amount of stuff that got blown into the upper atmosphere.
 

Walrus Whisperer

Hope in chains...
When a volcano is getting ready to blow, aren't there harmonic tremors part of the whole thing as the lava is coming up the tube?
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
there's NO WAY this eruption is warming the planet, and I've seen a couple of articles claiming it was doing just that. The earth's core may be heating up, but that's in no way man made!

If anything this eruption is cooling the earth due to the amount of stuff that got blown into the upper atmosphere.

I know but I had to post that the global warming and climate change people are trying to con everyone that it is warming.
Anyone with common sense that has been keeping track of this knows volcano eruptions cause cooling and a big enough eruption like this one can or will cause the world to cool down.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
From Google:

The eruption of the Hunga-Tonga-Hunga-Ha'apai volcano on 15 January 2022 was the largest recorded since the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883. The eruption triggered tsunami waves of up to 15m which struck the west coast of Tongatapu, 'Eua and Ha'apai.
 
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