COMM Shouldn't we all have Starlink?

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Nah, I don't think so. During hurricanes satellite communications go down - period. Just too much water for the signal to penetrate.

Starlink uses KU, KA and E band for the uplinks and downlinks and I have never noticed rain fade even in a heavy thunderstorm were it takes out my C-Band and KU-Band dishes. Reason being the link budget is a whole lot bigger pointing at a geosynchronous satellite over 24,000 miles away than it does an LEO satellite 300 Km. Of course if you leave your dish out in a hurricane you kind of deserve what you get. Simply take it in before the storm gets too bad.
 

Lunchman

Contributing Member
I posted a little in a different thread a while back on Starlink. I love it. Been using them for 4 years now I think. I had to buy the "roaming" package back in the day to get it because it wasn't offered in my area. Couple of neighbors got really upset over that because they had put the $100 deposit down and had been sitting and waiting for it to open up, yet I was up and running months before they were.

Last year they finally ran fiber down my dirt road. Spectrum (yikes!) and yes they did hit just about everyone's water line in the process. I could cut my internet bill from $120 a month to $45 for the same speeds, but refuse to do it. Here is why..

The following is what I posted in a different thread:

I originally had the gen2 setup, which had the moving motorized dish. Worked great for almost 2 years, then one morning very early (like 3am) it just died. I did a bunch of testing thinking it was something on my side, but it was the motor in the dish that burned out.

When you sign up for the SL service, you get a login to their site, inside there is a section for Tech Support. Around 5:30am that same morning after the testing, I submitted a ticket. At 6:10am I got a call from SL (am in central time zone). The tech and I discussed the situation for roughly 20 min, he was able to confirm the issues and offered 2 solutions:
1) He would send out that day via 2nd day air all new equipment (3rd gen with no moving parts) at no cost to me with a request to send back on the SL dime, my current equipment.
2) If I needed/wanted service quicker, I could head over to my local Best Buy or Home Depot, buy the 3rd gen equipment, upload my receipts into the SL Tech system and he would credit my account for any funds spent towards my future bill. Also a request to send my current 2nd gen equipment back on their dime (save your boxes!).

I went with option 2. They covered everything and I mean everything. I had to get a new mount for the 3rd gen style dish, I had to get new clips to run the wire down to the router in my network closet, I needed to get some more spray foam and silicon to seal up the holes again to run everything.. I uploaded everything and they credited my account for all of it at 100%. They also then gave me 2 months free service on top of it all for the hassle I experienced. I didn't have to argue with them, or fight for anything, they just offered and provided. I was absolutely amazed to be honest.

Fast forward, this last summer Spectrum finally got around to running fiber down my road. I could cut my internet bill in half with that, but Spectrum has a horrible record of up time. My SL always works and can only think of 2 times in 4 years that the service had dropped. Even then it was only out for like 20 min.

Talking with the Spectrum Tech over the phone about how their gear would interface with mine, he ended up telling me to stay with the SL, I'll never get the same level of up time and service from Spectrum that I get from SL (can't believe he said that, but it is what it is).

I know SL will move mountains to provide over the top customer service and because of that, I will stay with them even though I could get fiber for 1/2 the price. Any questions or concerns, just ask. I see others here posting their experience and knowledge.

Just my experience. =)
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I have two boys who are about to become teenagers. We spent some time a couple of years back building them very nice gaming PCs. These PCs were not cheap, but will easily carry them through HS. Was a fun experience with them. They have 2 monitors on their machines, and often times will be playing AAA games on one monitor, while streaming a show or some youtube on the second.

I also have a nice setup, 3 monitors on mine, I'll stream Youtube, download various files, have 20 plus tabs open in a browser window and also be gaming, likely with them.

Our living room TV is also run by a PC, and is usually just streaming something for background noise. The other TV in the bedroom is also run by a PC and streams as well.

Often all of this stuff will be running at the same time and my SL setup can easily handle all of that and no one complains, or see's the spinning ring of wait. The only time I've witnessed a slow down is when all 3 of us are DL'ing some 100gb game at the same time, while we also individually try to stream a show. /shrug - ya it is a bit nutty at times.

I average 250 Mbits/s and will often see that speed top 375 pushing 400. Upload speeds can't match fiber though, often avg 10-20Mbits up, but am not hosting out of my location so I don't need that upload bandwidth. It melts the snow/ice, and only when it rains really hard (or very heavy snow) does it slow down. But that never really seems to last more then 10min. I have the dish up on my roof, no tree's to obstruct and it wants to look to the slightly north/northwest per the app when I set it up. It doesn't not like tree's, so you have to have a clear line of sight.

If you have any concerns about line of sight/tree's, you can download their app and use it to determine a good spot/signal str. It is very easy to use and doesn't require any funds.

I also am not a fan of Wifi and have previously wired my house with 2-4 cat6 jacks per room all running back to my network closet. I also prefer to run my own router/firewall setup, so the SL router/firewall will allow me to place it in "bridge" mode and just pass the connection straight through to my gear.

It just works.. I never have to fuss with it. I don't think I have ever "rebooted" like I have had to in the past with cable/dsl what ever routers. It just works..

One of the downsides though is how SL handles IP addresses, it behaves like it is operating in a double NAT situation. So am not able to host any games outside my local network for others to connect to. I can "host" something where the hosting server is located elsewhere (Ready or Not would be a good example) yet trying to run a server for say Wreckfest locally, no one outside my local network can connect to it. Per SL I can spend a ton more money per month and get a dedicated IP and then it will work. For Microsoft Teams, Zoom and the such, no problems.

Holler with any questions.. I can't say enough about how much I like the SL setup.
 
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diesel85

Contributing Member
Starlink reminds me of SirusXM. It was supposed to be a cheap way to get nationally broadcasted music, radio, and talk.

Now SirusXM is in financial trouble.
 

Lunchman

Contributing Member
What happens if the .gov/.mil commandeers the satellites? And/or regulate them for commecial-only-with-permit use?

I understand that satellites are designed to operate autonomously, but there is still a human element in there.
If that happens, I feel like there will be a lot of other bigger issues I'll be dealing with at that time and the desire for "internet" won't be that big of a concern.
 

one4freedom

Veteran Member
Do you plug it into the wall or how do you power it?
I bought an adapter to use a Dewalt 20vmax battery or it can run off of a car battery or plug into your Oupes, Ecoflow or a wall plug. One caveat. I mounted it on top of my building to use as a backup when it isn't needed for travel. This building is covered it with steel so I had to run a starlink cable in and use an access point to get a reliable connection inside. Of course I also have to be close to a window to get a good signal on my cell phone. It isn't as good as my fiber internet but is a good backup system I picked up a magnetic mount for it and then found that the roof of my F150 isn't made of something a magnet will stick to. :rolleyes:
 

subnet

Boot
While i get the thought process for the mobile starlink setup, they just dont fit my needs for normal everyday connection speeds.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
Starlink reminds me of SirusXM. It was supposed to be a cheap way to get nationally broadcasted music, radio, and talk.

Now SirusXM is in financial trouble.

SiriusXM doesn’t have government and military contracts like Starlink’s parent company SpaceX does. That was one reason why Trump had to be willing to kiss and make up with Elon. There are some capabilities SpaceX offers that the government doesn’t have the assets to do.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Starlink reminds me of SirusXM. It was supposed to be a cheap way to get nationally broadcasted music, radio, and talk.

Now SirusXM is in financial trouble.
Mostly because the internet has taken over from radio. You can even stream internet while driving...

Summerthyme
 

Repairman-Jack

Veteran Member
Starlink reminds me of SirusXM. It was supposed to be a cheap way to get nationally broadcasted music, radio, and talk.

Now SirusXM is in financial troubl

Unlimited data on mobile devices and streaming music services would be my top "guess" to part of SiriusXM's problems. I had a subscription, canceled it and they pulled me back in with a "forever" $3 a month plan, my $36 a year isn't going to save them...
 

diesel85

Contributing Member
Mostly because the internet has taken over from radio. You can even stream internet while driving...

Summerthyme
Unlimited data on mobile devices and streaming music services would be my top "guess" to part of SiriusXM's problems. I had a subscription, canceled it and they pulled me back in with a "forever" $3 a month plan, my $36 a year isn't going to save them...

There are many places I go that don't have internet/cell service. I have a friend who has a cabin up north, with no internet, but wants some connection to the outside world, and satellite radio works for him. Mostly to listen to talk shows, news, or sports. He's got one of those desktop units.

This is probably a 1% of the population where satellite radio actually makes sense.

As for internet radio, I'm rocking a GraceLink at home using all the free stuff it comes with. I could hook up SirusXM, Pandora, etc to it, but what it's got stock is plenty. Basically a Roku for music.
 
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