Planting September 2020 Planting and Chat Thread

packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

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September 2020
1st - 2nd
Extra good for vine crops. First day is a favorable day for planting aboveground crops. Second day is a good day for transplanting. Second day is also a good day for planting root crops.
3rd - 5th
A poor time to plant.
6th - 7th
Good days for transplanting. Good days for planting root crops.
8th - 10th
Seeds planted now tend to rot in ground.
11th - 12th
Plant seedbeds and flower gardens. Good days for transplanting. Fine planting days for fall potatoes, turnips, onions, carrots, beets, and other root crops.
13th - 16th
Clear ground, turn sod, or kill plant pests.
17th - 18th
Excellent for sowing grains, hay, and forage crops. Plant flowers. Good days for planting peas, beans, tomatoes, peppers, and other aboveground crops in southern Florida, Texas, and California.
19th - 20th
Start seedbeds. Excellent time for planting aboveground crops that can be planted now, including leafy vegetables which will do well.
21st - 22nd
Start seedbeds. Excellent time for planting aboveground crops that can be planted now, including leafy vegetables which will do well.
23rd - 25th
Any aboveground crops that can be planted now will do well.
26th - 27th
Poor planting days. Kill plant pests.
28th - 29th
Extra good for vine crops. Favorable days for planting aboveground crops.
30th
A poor time to plant.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Marie said:
I wish I could plant in the fall. We had a pretty poor harvest this year.
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My garden sucked, period. Too much rain, then a severe drought, a derecho took down all of my tomato plants. It was a horrible year here. Thank heavens to the gal with the veggie farm about 12 miles northwest of us, I was able to get cucumbers, beets, etc., for canning, fresh tomatoes for eating. Now I'm trying to decide what, or if, I should plant now for Sept, Oct, harvest.
 
Marie

Marie

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You plant that late?wow! What do you plant. Your in the same zone as me. I'll give it a shot! Tell me more!!! And yes same for us too much rain and then severe heat and drought.
 
Grouchy Granny

Grouchy Granny

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Not in Colorado - the first frost will kill anything...... Still harvesting what I can, this being an extremely crappy year for tomatoes.

BTW our first frost is usually sometime in September/October, depending on the year.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Marie said:
Nebraska
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Assuming you're at less than 2,000 feet then yes you have time to plant some salad greens and the like, if you erect a tunnel cover you can extend your harvest well into November. If you're higher then I'd focus on spinach, lettuce and a smaller kale variety.
 
Grouchy Granny

Grouchy Granny

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Well, here in lovely Colorado, we're battening down the hatches in prep for a 60+ degree temp drop Monday night. Just picked all my spaghetti squash, what tomatoes were ready, the last 2 zucchini and cucumbers.

Going to attempt to cover the tomatoes and peppers - the rest is going to be history. We're in for a hard freeze Tuesday night into Wednesday and a Winter Storm warning is out. I was ready for the heat to quit, but not quite ready for a forecast of 3-6 inches of snow where I live.
 
kyrsyan

kyrsyan

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I was planning on planting onions and garlic this weekend. But none of my normal online suppliers had any to order. So I was going to get them at the local co-op or feed store. Both told me they would be getting them this week. But neither got them in.
So online I went again. I found one company with a variety pack that had good ratings with Dave's Garden Watchdog so I now have onions ordered. Garlic is being difficult though.
 
Cyclonemom

Cyclonemom

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How soon is too soon to order from seed catalogs to ensure seed from this season? Anybody know?

Beans, peppers, tomatoes, lettuce, spinach, and sweet corn.
 
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Alice1

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So, since winter is coming on, and we're in a drought, I've been working on turning a large parrot cage into an indoor herb garden. Here's hoping this idea works!
 
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spinner

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kyrsyan said:
I was planning on planting onions and garlic this weekend. But none of my normal online suppliers had any to order. So I was going to get them at the local co-op or feed store. Both told me they would be getting them this week. But neither got them in.
So online I went again. I found one company with a variety pack that had good ratings with Dave's Garden Watchdog so I now have onions ordered. Garlic is being difficult though.
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Try ordering garlic from suppliers that specialize in garlic seed. Now is when the seed garlic is shipped. You can try these

www.hardneckgarlic.com

Hardneck Garlic

Small, family-owned farm focused on over 40 varieties of sustainably grown hardneck garlic. Rare heirloom hardneck garlic seed for home gardeners. Hardneck garlic for eating, culinary uses. Rocambole, Porcelain, Glazed Purple Stripe, Marbled Purple Stripe, Purple Stripe, Creole, Asiatic, Turban. Mer
www.hardneckgarlic.com www.hardneckgarlic.com

gradentalunfarm.net

Grá den Talún Farm

Grá den Talún Farm is a naturally grown heirloom garlic farm with over 120 varieties of hardneck and softneck types from around the world. We have types from almost every garlic family- Porcelains, Rocamboles, Purple Stripes, Glazed Purple Stripes, Marbled Purple Stripes, Turbans, Asiatics...
gradentalunfarm.net gradentalunfarm.net

www.ransomhillgarlic.com

Ransom Hill Garlic | Heirloom Italian Garlic | German Porcelain Garlic

Ransom Hill Garlic is a family farm located in Pompey New York, in the scenic hills south of Syracuse. Weather, soil, and genetics make growing garlic in Pompey ideal. We grow two types of garlic, Heirloom Italian that has been grown by the Bonanni family for over 78 years; and German Porcelain that
www.ransomhillgarlic.com www.ransomhillgarlic.com
 
kyrsyan

kyrsyan

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I did finally find two garlic samplers before I crashed last night. But I will mark those for spring. I need to check them on the Garden Watchdog first.
Normally I wouldn't worry about a fall planting so much. But something tells me that my gardens will be important for us in the spring so I'm trying to get things in so that I can get an early harvest before spring planting.
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

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kyrsyan said:
I did finally find two garlic samplers before I crashed last night. But I will mark those for spring. I need to check them on the Garden Watchdog first.
Normally I wouldn't worry about a fall planting so much. But something tells me that my gardens will be important for us in the spring so I'm trying to get things in so that I can get an early harvest before spring planting.
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I ordered my Germen Hard Neck garlic a long time ago and they appear to be sold out now. After the problems I had finding seed potatoes earlier this year I ordered my Garlic early. The spot where they'll go is already and primes to go. Now I just need the bulbs to plant.

I use Johnny's Seeds for a lot of things including Garlic. Mines supposed to ship October 1.

Here's the link to their page.

Search Results | Johnny's Selected Seeds

Johnny's Selected Seeds
www.johnnyseeds.com www.johnnyseeds.com
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

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spinner said:
Try ordering garlic from suppliers that specialize in garlic seed. Now is when the seed garlic is shipped. You can try these

www.hardneckgarlic.com

Hardneck Garlic

Small, family-owned farm focused on over 40 varieties of sustainably grown hardneck garlic. Rare heirloom hardneck garlic seed for home gardeners. Hardneck garlic for eating, culinary uses. Rocambole, Porcelain, Glazed Purple Stripe, Marbled Purple Stripe, Purple Stripe, Creole, Asiatic, Turban. Mer
www.hardneckgarlic.com www.hardneckgarlic.com

gradentalunfarm.net

Grá den Talún Farm

Grá den Talún Farm is a naturally grown heirloom garlic farm with over 120 varieties of hardneck and softneck types from around the world. We have types from almost every garlic family- Porcelains, Rocamboles, Purple Stripes, Glazed Purple Stripes, Marbled Purple Stripes, Turbans, Asiatics...
gradentalunfarm.net gradentalunfarm.net

www.ransomhillgarlic.com

Ransom Hill Garlic | Heirloom Italian Garlic | German Porcelain Garlic

Ransom Hill Garlic is a family farm located in Pompey New York, in the scenic hills south of Syracuse. Weather, soil, and genetics make growing garlic in Pompey ideal. We grow two types of garlic, Heirloom Italian that has been grown by the Bonanni family for over 78 years; and German Porcelain that
www.ransomhillgarlic.com www.ransomhillgarlic.com
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Thanks for the new places to try Spinner.

I've added them to my list to try for next year since I've already ordered all I've got room for already.
 
kyrsyan

kyrsyan

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Bps1691 said:
I ordered my Germen Hard Neck garlic a long time ago and they appear to be sold out now. After the problems I had finding seed potatoes earlier this year I ordered my Garlic early. The spot where they'll go is already and primes to go. Now I just need the bulbs to plant.

I use Johnny's Seeds for a lot of things including Garlic. Mines supposed to ship October 1.

Here's the link to their page.

Search Results | Johnny's Selected Seeds

Johnny's Selected Seeds
www.johnnyseeds.com www.johnnyseeds.com
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I wasn't expecting the seed/bulb shortages. For the most part, I don't order yearly, I save from year to year on seed. And I was easily able to get onion sets in the spring. This is my first fall garden in a while. I had plenty of regular seed and potatoes. But no onion sets/garlic. And it appears I'm not the only one surprised. The co-op and feed stores for two counties are not happy that they don't have them in yet. Apparently a lot of folks are doing fall gardens and asking.
I figured if I was going to have to order online, I wanted to experiment with varieties. So that was the reason I was hunting samplers. I have no clue what variety is in the generic packs I buy in the stores. But I have samplers with I think 10 total varieties across both hard neck and soft neck coming from two different places. But I went to ebay for that, so it's a gamble.
My son absolutely loves garlic. So if there's a variety, or a few, from these that he likes a lot I will make sure to order more. Well, I'll try to carry some over from our harvest as well. And then order more to flesh out whatever I can save.
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

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packyderms_wife said:
If it’s available order now.
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Most of what they have left now is packaged for 2020 sale. I've always had good luck with seeds lasting several years if you handle and store them correctly. Most of the sites I use have a bunch of not in stocks right now, but there is still some available.

Most of the sites I use has there "next year" sales seeds starting in November/December or at the latest just before they send out their catalogs in January/February.

I've had viable seeds for much longer than the following table, but the germination rate will drop and it really matters how they are packaged and where they are stored. I also have selected seeds specially packed and stored in the freezer for a true SHTF situation that I rotate every couple of years to be on the safe side.

From:
www.gardeningchannel.com

Seed Life Chart: Are Your Seeds Still Good?

Don't throw old seeds out just yet! Depending on the type of seed and its quality, you may be able to store them and use them next year or a few years after.
www.gardeningchannel.com www.gardeningchannel.com

SEED LIFE CHART
To help you figure out if your seeds are still viable, refer to the following chart, which indicates the life expectancies of certain types of vegetable seeds stored under ideal conditions. The chart has been modified from D.N. Maynard and G.J. Hochmuth, Knott’s Handbook for Vegetable Growers, 4th Edition (1997).

Vegetable – Years
Asparagus – 3
Bean – 3
Beet – 4
Broccoli – 3
Brussels Sprouts – 4
Cabbage – 4
Carrot – 3
Celeriac – 3
Cauliflower – 4
Celery – 3
Chard, Swiss – 4
Chicory – 4
Chinese Cabbage – 3
Collards – 5
Corn, Sweet – 2
Cucumber – 5
Eggplant – 4
Endive – 5
Fennel – 4
Kale – 4
Kohlrabi – 3
Leek – 2
Lettuce – 6
Muskmelon – 5
Mustard – 4
Okra – 2
Onion – 1
Parsley – 1
Parsnip – 1
Pea – 3
Pepper – 2
Pumpkin – 4
Radish – 5
Rutabaga – 4
Salsify – 1
Spinach – 3
Squash – 4
Tomato – 4
Turnip – 4
Watermelon – 4

You should also plan out when to plant the seeds that you buy. The following is a planting guide for zone 5 (my planting zone):

Zone 5 Planting Schedule for selected veggies:

Planting-Zone-5.jpg


Of course it will also fluctuate based on the actual weather you get.

You can check out your local extension service which would also have more information on when and how.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Bps1691 said:
Most of what they have left now is packaged for 2020 sale. I've always had good luck with seeds lasting several years if you handle and store them correctly. Most of the sites I use have a bunch of not in stocks right now, but there is still some available.

Most of the sites I use has there "next year" sales seeds starting in November/December or at the latest just before they send out their catalogs in January/February.

I've had viable seeds for much longer than the following table, but the germination rate will drop and it really matters how they are packaged and where they are stored. I also have selected seeds specially packed and stored in the freezer for a true SHTF situation that I rotate every couple of years to be on the safe side.

From:
www.gardeningchannel.com

Seed Life Chart: Are Your Seeds Still Good?

Don't throw old seeds out just yet! Depending on the type of seed and its quality, you may be able to store them and use them next year or a few years after.
www.gardeningchannel.com www.gardeningchannel.com

SEED LIFE CHART
To help you figure out if your seeds are still viable, refer to the following chart, which indicates the life expectancies of certain types of vegetable seeds stored under ideal conditions. The chart has been modified from D.N. Maynard and G.J. Hochmuth, Knott’s Handbook for Vegetable Growers, 4th Edition (1997).

Vegetable – Years
Asparagus – 3
Bean – 3
Beet – 4
Broccoli – 3
Brussels Sprouts – 4
Cabbage – 4
Carrot – 3
Celeriac – 3
Cauliflower – 4
Celery – 3
Chard, Swiss – 4
Chicory – 4
Chinese Cabbage – 3
Collards – 5
Corn, Sweet – 2
Cucumber – 5
Eggplant – 4
Endive – 5
Fennel – 4
Kale – 4
Kohlrabi – 3
Leek – 2
Lettuce – 6
Muskmelon – 5
Mustard – 4
Okra – 2
Onion – 1
Parsley – 1
Parsnip – 1
Pea – 3
Pepper – 2
Pumpkin – 4
Radish – 5
Rutabaga – 4
Salsify – 1
Spinach – 3
Squash – 4
Tomato – 4
Turnip – 4
Watermelon – 4

You should also plan out when to plant the seeds that you buy. The following is a planting guide for zone 5 (my planting zone):

Zone 5 Planting Schedule for selected veggies:

Planting-Zone-5.jpg


Of course it will also fluctuate based on the actual weather you get.

You can check out your local extension service which would also have more information on when and how.
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I'm blessed in that there's a place locally that sells tons of seeds, I'll stop by this weekend after doing inventory to see what they have available.

Cousin in Calgary Canada just told m there's no rice and the canned goods are very sparse in the stores.
 
Bps1691

Bps1691

Veteran Member
kyrsyan said:
I wasn't expecting the seed/bulb shortages. For the most part, I don't order yearly, I save from year to year on seed. And I was easily able to get onion sets in the spring. This is my first fall garden in a while. I had plenty of regular seed and potatoes. But no onion sets/garlic. And it appears I'm not the only one surprised. The co-op and feed stores for two counties are not happy that they don't have them in yet. Apparently a lot of folks are doing fall gardens and asking.
I figured if I was going to have to order online, I wanted to experiment with varieties. So that was the reason I was hunting samplers. I have no clue what variety is in the generic packs I buy in the stores. But I have samplers with I think 10 total varieties across both hard neck and soft neck coming from two different places. But I went to ebay for that, so it's a gamble.
My son absolutely loves garlic. So if there's a variety, or a few, from these that he likes a lot I will make sure to order more. Well, I'll try to carry some over from our harvest as well. And then order more to flesh out whatever I can save.
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I do the seed saver thing as well with new shipments of new stuff I want to try (OP usually) or hybrids of selected things we like.

I got caught on my seed potatoes this year and had to scrounge to find enough. The fall garlic I've always bought and always used Germen Hard Necks. Not very adventurous I guess.
 
packyderms_wife

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Bps1691 said:
I do the seed saver thing as well with new shipments of new stuff I want to try (OP usually) or hybrids of selected things we like.

I got caught on my seed potatoes this year and had to scrounge to find enough. The fall garlic I've always bought and always used Germen Hard Necks. Not very adventurous I guess.
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If it works keep growing the GHNs!
 
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spinner

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German white is one of my best producers. I try new ones every year and this year I grew some Russian Red, Chesnock Red, Calabria, Nonna Rose (one of my favorites) and Marjean which is reliable as well as the German White. I also grew Kilarney Red which is a good garlic, but it does not produce as well for me as some others. I have grown Ukrainian, but I couldn't find good bulbs last year. I found some beautiful German Red locally this year and will plant that, too. I ordered Nonna Rose from Ransom Hill and received some very nice bulbs to plant this year. I have grown Roja which is a very good garlic, but it did not do as well for me as some others and Music which is also fairly reliable.

I buy as much as I can locally, a lot of garlic growers around and there are garlic festivals most years (except this year). That way you can see each bulb that you buy and talk to the growers. Most of them offer samples so you can choose the ones you like best.

Always plant the largest and best cloves. Grocery store garlic is the worst option, it might not be the right garlic for your area and it could be treated with who knows what to prevent sprouting and it is very likely Chinese garlic. I think that it is mostly soft neck garlic which is not bad if it works in your area.
 
kyrsyan

kyrsyan

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spinner said:
German white is one of my best producers. I try new ones every year and this year I grew some Russian Red, Chesnock Red, Calabria, Nonna Rose (one of my favorites) and Marjean which is reliable as well as the German White. I also grew Kilarney Red which is a good garlic, but it does not produce as well for me as some others. I have grown Ukrainian, but I couldn't find good bulbs last year. I found some beautiful German Red locally this year and will plant that, too. I ordered Nonna Rose from Ransom Hill and received some very nice bulbs to plant this year. I have grown Roja which is a very good garlic, but it did not do as well for me as some others and Music which is also fairly reliable.

I buy as much as I can locally, a lot of garlic growers around and there are garlic festivals most years (except this year). That way you can see each bulb that you buy and talk to the growers. Most of them offer samples so you can choose the ones you like best.

Always plant the largest and best cloves. Grocery store garlic is the worst option, it might not be the right garlic for your area and it could be treated with who knows what to prevent sprouting and it is very likely Chinese garlic. I think that it is mostly soft neck garlic which is not bad if it works in your area.
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I honestly have no clue what the locals stores sell. It's generic white. I get so so results. But I keep trying. Maybe I'll also get better results by trying better cultivars. Fingers crossed.
 
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spinner

Veteran Member
kyrsyan said:
I honestly have no clue what the locals stores sell. It's generic white. I get so so results. But I keep trying. Maybe I'll also get better results by trying better cultivars. Fingers crossed.
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Try better seed garlic and make sure you plant the best/biggest cloves. Plant in rich soil and keep them weed free. Mulch if you live in a very cold area or a dry area. Generally speaking hardneck is better in a colder area and softneck in a hot area.

I love growing garlic it is one of my favorite crops.
 
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shortstop

Contributing Member
This is great information!! I had my first real garden this year- in a community garden. I learned so much and had a blast! The harvest was pretty good - considering I really didnt know what I was doing. Now, I'm YouTubing everything for prepping. I did order seeds as well but want to learn to seed save as there were many seeds not in stock.
 
20Gauge

20Gauge

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Marie said:
I wish I could plant in the fall. We had a pretty poor harvest this year.
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Ours was about half normal. In fact the new planter produced nothing all year long. Damn bugs ate everything that grew. Now that the weather is getting better, we plan on planting once again to see if they can get big enough to make it in the spring as we are looking at another not so cold winter.

Thus there will be a million bugs next spring.
 
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Nich1

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In NC where it's been quite hot and humid this year. Because of that, I've not gotten any spinach, kale, elephant garlic or onions in yet. Today, I got a spot ready but it was so hot, I decided to wait until morning to do that actual planting. Love that kale and spinach!
 
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