ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

jward

passin' thru
Lindsey Graham clashes with audience member at South Carolina presidential forum over Ukraine
Katelyn Caralle

6–7 minutes

Lindsey Graham snapped at an audience member while claiming those who support family values should also back the U.S. sending billions of aid to Ukraine in its war with Russia.

A man in the audience at the Palmetto Family Matters Conservative Forum in Charleston, South Carolina told Senator Graham that he is 'not a real conservative' and accused him of being a 'warmonger' during two separate outbursts.

The combative senator refused to let the attendee at the early presidential forum in his home state overshadow his wide-ranging discussion where he defended supporting Ukraine despite other Republicans calling for the 'blank check' to be rescinded.

'That was one guy,' Graham told DailyMail.com after his remarks, clearly unbothered by the clash.

'I think the guy's a nut,' he added. 'I thought most people agreed with what I said.'

rest of article at link- but def need to add this one to the needs smacked list!

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Echo 5

Funniest guy on TB2K
Lindsey Graham clashes with audience member at South Carolina presidential forum over Ukraine
Katelyn Caralle

6–7 minutes

Lindsey Graham snapped at an audience member while claiming those who support family values should also back the U.S. sending billions of aid to Ukraine in its war with Russia.

A man in the audience at the Palmetto Family Matters Conservative Forum in Charleston, South Carolina told Senator Graham that he is 'not a real conservative' and accused him of being a 'warmonger' during two separate outbursts.

The combative senator refused to let the attendee at the early presidential forum in his home state overshadow his wide-ranging discussion where he defended supporting Ukraine despite other Republicans calling for the 'blank check' to be rescinded.

'That was one guy,' Graham told DailyMail.com after his remarks, clearly unbothered by the clash.

'I think the guy's a nut,' he added. 'I thought most people agreed with what I said.'

rest of article at link- but def need to add this one to the needs smacked list!

:smkd:

Graham is such a shit bag.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"... Putin is doing the right thing for Russia..."

Precisely what has he done, other than showing the Russian Regular Army could not fight it's way out of a wet paper bag, and spook Finland and Sweden to start thinking NATO.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
David Soiza
@SoizaDavid
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UN Commission: Russian attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure may amount to crimes against humanity:
“Russian attacks on Ukraine’s energy infrastructure may amount to crimes against humanity.”
View: https://twitter.com/SoizaDavid/status/1637274030637191169?s=20
You mean like the shock & awe the US did against Iraq? Or the carpet bombing in Vietnam? Or the funding and supplying the ISIS terrorists in Syria? Of the human trafficking in Haiti, or across Mexican border and through cities of the world? Or the empowering of poison vaxx shots to billions of people?
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"... Putin is doing the right thing for Russia..."

Precisely what has he done, other than showing the Russian Regular Army could not fight it's way out of a wet paper bag, and spook Finland and Sweden to start thinking NATO.
Russia was not mobilized to go to war. They were a nation at peace until NATO continued to encroach the borders of Russia with missiles that could take them out. Russia did not react to reach into Ukraine when many thousands of Russian-speaking people were slaughtered by the fascists of Ukraine.

Russia has now begun mobilizing. The end days are here. Peace is being taken from the earth.

The Russian army has not even started yet. What you have seen this past year are local militias from the DPR and Chechen soldiers along with Wagner contractor. Once the shitshow starts, and already it has been a meat grinder, the NATO remote commanders will go nutz. If they push the right buttons, there will be severe destruction in Poland, Germany, UK, US, South Korea... for starters. Once the big threats are dealt with, aggressive lapdogs like Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia- will be gobbled up. Push the bear into defending her cubs and she will ensure there is no more threat.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Don't you know? Shouldn't you know who and what his sources are if you want to slander his observations?


Which means you are totally isolated from what is really happening.
Your news media is controlled and the propaganda infusions are non-stop. How are you not being swept off the street to help out with the body count in the trenches?



In case you have not bothered to read or listen, Putin is doing the right thing for Russia. I can't find fault with that. Wish we had someone who would do the right thing for Amerika. Unfortunately, the right things seems to be destroy the whole kit and kaboodle. Putin is constantly threatened by liars, thieves, cut-throats and saboteurs.... from the US & associates.

But by your request, I will now address Mr Putin.

Dear Mr. Putin, I am writing this note to express my deep concern for world affairs. I do not want to see the death or mutilation of common soldiers of any army, Russian, American, Ukrainian, Poland, etc. Unfortunately, our nations are controlled by megalomaniacs working in concert to gain total control of the world while cutting the population down by at least 6 billion humans. There are a good number of people like me in America who are outraged by the evil actions of our leaders.

If it were possible, we would like to see a surgical operation for your interests and ours alike. The exigency and extent to which this situation has quickly escalated makes me think that such a thing is a luxury no longer affordable. Russia will play a large part in Bible prophecy with severe consequences for all. As the evil ones push you evermore into the corner, any reasonable person can see that you have no choice but to kill the bastards. I am concerned about the collateral damage so I would request that you aim small and straight.

There are many more things I would like to discuss with you in private but I am sure you are pressed for every minute with more important matters. Here is one silly idea for your army to try. When encircling an area, like Bakhmut or Kharkiv, would you be able to drop leaflets offering a living surrender to those forces? A good many of the conscripts have no business being in war and don't even want it. I know someone who claims fluency in many languages, has no work to speak of, and is quite a ladies' man who could be used to march the white flags between enemy lines to bring those willing to surrender to the safety of your side.

Seriously, really and truly, LightEcho, hoping to reflect some light on the matters that matter. Your folks will know how to contact me and so will our feds.

PS... looking forward to see the start of the closing arguments.
I'm sure his sources are in Washington DC specifically at the Russian embassy. And I doubt he has been to Ukraine any time in the past 10 years. If he has been let's see some real evidence to that fact , just as everyone here has asked me to provide evidence that I am in Ukraine currently


"How are you not being swept off the street to help out with the body count in the trenches?"

For one thing no one is being swept off the streets here or anywhere else that I have personal ly seen or heard of from my friends
They have a professional army to handle those dirty details

Your letter to Putin is perfectly delusional
The guy is a sociopathic gangster who doesn't give a s*** about anything except who's money he can rip off tomorrow , what big mansion he can hang out with in Sochi and who will wipe his ass the morning. Oh and what little boy's belly he can kiss tomorrow
 

jward

passin' thru

Vladimir Putin visits occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol, Russian state media reports​


Sky



Vladimir Putin has visited the occupied Ukrainian city of Mariupol, according to Russian media reports.
The president made what state media described as a "working trip" to the port city, which he annexed in September last year following Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

Mr Putin, who arrived in a helicopter, travelled around several districts of the city, making stops and talking to residents, according to Russia's TASS state-owned news agency, citing the Kremlin.
It is believed to be his first trip to Ukrainian territory occupied by Russia since its invasion last year.

It follows the widely-condemned annexation of the regions of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia.
Mariupol, a strategically important city located in the Donetsk Oblast and beside the Sea of Azov, was the site of some of the fiercest fighting in the early part of the war.
Ukrainian forces holed up in the city's Azovstal steelworks for a last-stand defensive, which ended in surrender after a three-month siege of the facility by Russia.

Alongside the visit, Russian media reported that Mr Putin met with the top command of his military operation in Ukraine, including Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov.
The meeting is said to have taken place at the Rostov-on-Don command post, in southern Russia, near to the Ukrainian border, according to TASS.
 

TBonz

Veteran Member
Maybe so.

But if history is any indication of how the Russians play at war, she wouldn't be in Kiev, or even Ukraine.

With the "March of Millions" out of East Prussia, which is how I hope my grandparents got out instead of being ecav'd by boat out of Konisburg, ( they lived in a forest village some 30 miles 62 KM due east of there) there is one thing my Opa didn't take. His teeth. From the time I first met him, in 1956 to the last time in 1963, he never had any.

And if the Russians play nice, after it's over, she can go back.

It's a different situation. Ukraine of 2023 is not East Prussia of 1945. First off, the Russian army is not as formidable as it was in 1945. Yes, their behavior is still bad but their military prowess is a shadow of what is was.

Secondly, In your grandparents' case, the army was right at their door. It's not the case for this lady in Kiev. Now if she was in Eastern Ukraine, yes, GTFO. But for now, there is no reason to leave. As for her being positive and cheery - why not? This is her real experience right now. It could change.

But for now, it's not akin to those other circumstances. Yet. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe not.

* *

Oreally: "Dude you wish you had 15 beautiful women begging you to be with her but you're probably old and too worn out to deal with them anyway." and "And and about the girls yes I have 15 plus girls pursuing me who are all beautiful but I'm waiting for one special one and she's not ready yet."

You have GOT to be kidding me. First of all, unless you're loaded, a young Robert Redford, or have something to offer (passage to the US and/or green card), I'm calling bullshit on this.

As for the old comment, good job, mate. With the women comments (which you repeat all the time) and the ageism, you're either fibbing about something, or else something is wrong with you. As someone who once was a pretty girl and once was young, they would avoid ones like you with a ten foot pole. Trust me on this. No one wants a guy like that and double that for one who doesn't respect his elders. I've heard Ukrainian women are pretty, but I've never heard that they are desperate. From my 64-year-old viewpoint, you honest-to-God sound like a teenager. Envy may be a sin, but so is bearing false witness.

I'm sorry mods, but this kind of rhetoric just offends the hell out of me (a rarity) and he never shuts up about the women. He's misogynist and ageist.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
It's a different situation. Ukraine of 2023 is not East Prussia of 1945. First off, the Russian army is not as formidable as it was in 1945. Yes, their behavior is still bad but their military prowess is a shadow of what is was.

Secondly, In your grandparents' case, the army was right at their door. It's not the case for this lady in Kiev. Now if she was in Eastern Ukraine, yes, GTFO. But for now, there is no reason to leave. As for her being positive and cheery - why not? This is her real experience right now. It could change.

But for now, it's not akin to those other circumstances. Yet. Will that change? Maybe. Maybe not.

* *

Oreally: "Dude you wish you had 15 beautiful women begging you to be with her but you're probably old and too worn out to deal with them anyway." and "And and about the girls yes I have 15 plus girls pursuing me who are all beautiful but I'm waiting for one special one and she's not ready yet."

You have GOT to be kidding me. First of all, unless you're loaded, a young Robert Redford, or have something to offer (passage to the US and/or green card), I'm calling bullshit on this.

As for the old comment, good job, mate. With the women comments (which you repeat all the time) and the ageism, you're either fibbing about something, or else something is wrong with you. As someone who once was a pretty girl and once was young, they would avoid ones like you with a ten foot pole. Trust me on this. No one wants a guy like that and double that for one who doesn't respect his elders. I've heard Ukrainian women are pretty, but I've never heard that they are desperate. From my 64-year-old viewpoint, you honest-to-God sound like a teenager. Envy may be a sin, but so is bearing false witness.

I'm sorry mods, but this kind of rhetoric just offends the hell out of me (a rarity) and he never shuts up about the women. He's misogynist and ageist.
I'm not going to put any of this in public but if you ask for it I'll forward to some communications and photos and enough to show you that I'm not bullshiting and it's actually mind blowing to me but real as real could be.
And what's ageist? I'm amazed that I'm as old as I am and
Look 25 years younger, have the vitality of 30 years younger and I love and respect all women so how does that make me sexist my entire life is an outlier, an extreme outlier
And yes I would not be interested in dating you at 65 I want to have more children and only younger women can do that. Is that wrong?
 
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LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Maybe oreally doesn’t realize or maybe lightecho doesn’t realize the United States is using Ukraine and doesn’t gives shit a about them. Duh!
Oh really, I realize a lot of what is going on. The monsters in charge of the world operations are not human. They do use traitorous humans as proxies, just as they are using Ukraine as a proxy. Taking down Russia is a world goal because Russia is not beholden to the Rothschild banking system and does not obey the WEF, WHO, CIA, UN, BIS, IMF, OS, and all the other little organizations designed to enslave mankind.

This is not a war about Ukraine sovereignty or the Ukraine people. What some don't realize is that the more success Ukraine has, the greater likelihood Ukraine will be totally destroyed. They (the controllers of the west) have their hands up puppet Zelensky's ass making him dance and squirm right into total annihilation. The compliant stooges think they will be rewarded with money and security, while avoiding their wrath. The hell they will be given will make them suffer for eternity. But in the meantime, they don't care how many Ukraine lives are lost. The more- the better. They are driving the tools of the US, England, Germany, Finland, Sweden, France, Poland... to betray their own people and keep pushing the burn on human lives.

The same monsters accuse us all (humans) of a "carbon footprint" and over-population. Look at the carbon footprint they are leaving in wars, fires at food & fuel plants and railway disasters. Look at the chemical poisoning they put into farmland, foods, water, air. Look at the geoengineering they are perpetrating. These are all pieces of the same puzzle picture. But the harlot riding the beast will be thrown off with disdain and the new beast will soon be on the scene. That is when horrible goes to impossibly unthinkable. The cognitive dissonance will go off the charts, although we see it already as bizzaro world. People are being blinded by their own choices.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Oh really, I realize a lot of what is going on. The monsters in charge of the world operations are not human. They do use traitorous humans as proxies, just as they are using Ukraine as a proxy. Taking down Russia is a world goal because Russia is not beholden to the Rothschild banking system and does not obey the WEF, WHO, CIA, UN, BIS, IMF, OS, and all the other little organizations designed to enslave mankind.

This is not a war about Ukraine sovereignty or the Ukraine people. What some don't realize is that the more success Ukraine has, the greater likelihood Ukraine will be totally destroyed. They (the controllers of the west) have their hands up puppet Zelensky's ass making him dance and squirm right into total annihilation. The compliant stooges think they will be rewarded with money and security, while avoiding their wrath. The hell they will be given will make them suffer for eternity. But in the meantime, they don't care how many Ukraine lives are lost. The more- the better. They are driving the tools of the US, England, Germany, Finland, Sweden, France, Poland... to betray their own people and keep pushing the burn on human lives.

The same monsters accuse us all (humans) of a "carbon footprint" and over-population. Look at the carbon footprint they are leaving in wars, fires at food & fuel plants and railway disasters. Look at the chemical poisoning they put into farmland, foods, water, air. Look at the geoengineering they are perpetrating. These are all pieces of the same puzzle picture. But the harlot riding the beast will be thrown off with disdain and the new beast will soon be on the scene. That is when horrible goes to impossibly unthinkable. The cognitive dissonance will go off the charts, although we see it already as bizzaro world. People are being blinded by their own choices.
I just got back from Mass at the Benedictine monastery here in the center of town and it was packed with people praying. I had tears in my eyes I don't know about anyone else.

None of the b******* you just posted here has any relevance to their lives all they know is they want to be free from Russian oppression that they've experienced for the last 600 years.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I just got back from Mass at the Benedictine monastery here in the center of town and it was packed with people praying. I had tears in my eyes I don't know about anyone else.

None of the b******* you just posted here has any relevance to their lives all they know is they want to be free from Russian oppression that they've experienced for the last 600 years.
And you confirmed what I just wrote. Not that I needed that, I actually wish I was wrong, but thanks for the confirmation. When you don't know who your real enemy is, you have no chance to win.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
And you confirmed what I just wrote. Not that I needed that, I actually wish I was wrong, but thanks for the confirmation. When you don't know who your real enemy is, you have no chance to win.
I'm confused here.

you're saying the Catholic church is the enemy?
 

Oreally

Right from the start
If you say I have the Great Deceiver deep in me, why would you want any discussion with me at all? Yes, you are confused. I can't help you with that. That confusion is by YOUR choices.
I'm sorry it's you that are confused
either that or you are not who you appear to be and are a Russian plant here on the board
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Oh, brother......
You don't think that's a possibility you don't think that's a possibility that some of the pro Russian quote people here are not really people or at least American people

deep plants that have been here for years.
Sure this is an obscure board but if the FSB can spend a few thousand dollars running ads on Facebook to instigate divsion amongst Americans why wouldn't they find this board and attractive place to plant seeds of dissension?

A collection of maybe the smartest people in the world all of a particular mind frame and a particular political orientation would be a worthy long-term prospect for them

I was asked to go through hoops to prove who I am and where I actually am living why can't I ask that certain people prove that they actually are in Oklahoma or Louisiana and they provide pictures or contemporaneous printed matter to prove their Bona fides
 
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raven

TB Fanatic
So, where do we go for updates on the war un Ukraine?
The thread surely has changed, hasn't it.

Try WarMapper on Twitter, for the latest on Bakhmut.
Not much has changed since yesterday.

Also Moon of Alabama.

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski
QFT.
It used to be that TB2K was my number one "go to" for the latest and greatest on significant events.

But for a good while now, it has dropped to the bottom on the list. There are a few who know :jstr: that at one time, I would be logged into the forum at 5AM "banging on the keyboard like a chimpanzee".

Look at the time on my post . . . man, it is after 8:00 . . . for my first post of the day.

There are other sources out there.
Just saying . . .
 

Jeep

Veteran Member
OK, I for one am tired of the bitching between you two. You know who I mean and take the bullshit elsewhere like PM each other when you want to argue. I'm know others here feel the same way, and I come here for updates and not to read/listen to you guys. If you have a report about this war, fine post it but STOP THE ARGUING.
 

jward

passin' thru
So, where do we go for updates on the war un Ukraine?
I suggest we all hold Raven up side down and shake him until he divulges where his wife goes to get the news- :jstr:

she's getting straight grown up reporting, hours/days before it hits TB2K...because it's become clear that the switch from a news site to a social media support system for retirees has resulted in information sharing taking a back seat to spouting off sarcastic one liners, personal attacks and miscellaneous whatever.

Or, you can simply put folks who's post you do find of value on your "watched" list, or those who's posts you find do not contribute to your understanding of the issue on your "ignore" list.

Please holler if you need assistance setting those things up



ETA I see that I should have read all the posts, as these points were already made. The fact that we all made them without knowing that others did as well should make it clear just how real the problem has become.

The only additional tool might be using the red thumbs down- we did see success limiting the horrible # of duplicate posts when we started using it.
 
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jward

passin' thru

Royal Air Force​



RAF And German Typhoons Intercept Russian Aircraft on Joint Nato Air Policing Mission​

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A Typhoon fighter from the Royal Air Force and one from the German Air Force scrambled together from Ämari Air Base in Estonia for the second time this week to carry out a NATO Air Policing interception off the Estonian Coast.
As part of ongoing Air Policing in the region, the pair of NATO jets launched on 17 March to intercept a Russian military Tu-134 passenger jet, known by the NATO name of Crusty, that was being escorted by two Sukhoi Su-27 Flanker fighter jets, and an AN-12 Cub military transport aircraft. The Russian formations were intercepted flying close to Estonian airspace.
The RAF and German Air Force are conducting Joint NATO Air Policing, a first for two NATO Allies. The interception is a routine NATO mission for the Typhoons and is a reassurance that the UK and Germany together with other NATO allies stand with their Estonian ally at this time of tension.
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Wing Commander Richard Leask, the Officer Commanding IX(B) Sqn operating as part of 140 Expeditionary Air Wing said: “We were scrambled to intercept an aircraft that was approaching Estonian airspace. We quickly identified the Russian aircraft and then monitored it as it flew close to NATO airspace.

“The NATO Air Policing mission is carried out to ensure any aircraft of interest are intercepted to ensure we know who they are and maintain flight safety for all airspace users. This is part of being a fighter pilot and is what we and our German colleagues have trained together to be able to do.”
The Royal Air Force is deployed on Operation Azotize in Estonia and will take over leadership from the German detachment in April. Joint missions will continue to be flown till the end of April.
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The commander of the RAF’s 140 Expeditionary Air Wing, Wing Commander Scott Maccoll said: “Now the two Air Force detachments here in Estonia have fully integrated, this interception demonstrated that the two detachments are now working extremely well together as one team.”

The UK and Germany are operating together as part of NATO to reassure our allies and is a further demonstration of the UK and Germany’s commitment to the security of the region. The German Air Force detachment is from the 71 Tactical Air Wing ‘Richthofen’.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
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The mansions for Zippy and his goons cost big bucks, and Ukraine cannon fodder is cheap and plentiful. :shk:

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View: https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1636993299574665216
Dang inflation is everywhere.

When my grandfather was at Vicksburg during the CW he got 13.00 a month. Plus bacon and hard tack, until it ran out.

Just making a joke, sort of, for comparison purposes, don't go all whatever on me.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
I suggest we all hold Raven up side down and shake him until he divulges where his wife goes to get the news- :jstr:

she's getting straight grown up reporting, hours/days before it hits TB2K...because it's become clear that the switch from a news site to a social media support system for retirees has resulted in information sharing taking a back seat to spouting off sarcastic one liners, personal attacks and miscellaneous whatever.

Or, you can simply put folks who's post you do find of value on your "watched" list, or those who's posts you find do not contribute to your understanding of the issue on your "ignore" list.

Please holler if you need assistance setting those things up
yea, sweetie gets up before me to take the dags out . . . because it is my job to monitor the crazy Aussie the rest of the day to stop him from getting growly and snippy with the other dogs.

When I get up, I get my coffee and a smoke and she joins me to give me updates.
She parses through two proscribed sites and filters out the garbage and the woo and provides her report.
The proscribed sites? . . . LOL . . . ATS and GLP . . .
I thought it was bad when Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, and Cliff High started showing up as reliable news sources.
And now ATS and GLP? How is that even possible?

What I've done is watch the reliable folks who post here. When they post a reasonable source, I go to the source and bookmark it. Every once in a while, I sort bookmarks by priority and in the mornings I simply run down the list of bookmarks. After that, I check TB2K to see if there was anything I missed.

Or you can wait . . . most of it shows up here at some point along with all the other stuff.

I've been held upside down and shaken . . . not stirred . . . as requested.
 
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