ALERT RUSSIA INVADES UKRAINE - Consolidated Thread

mistaken1

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If they weren't so dangerous watching the left accuse others of what they are doing would be funny.

Ever see that video of the monkey with the loaded AK47? Our current 'adults in charge' are the monkey and the US military is the AK47 and the rest of world is running for cover hoping the magazine empties before they take a bullet.

Just to be clear do not mistake my unadulterated contempt of the current regime occupying the whitehouse as worship of putin or xi or as contempt towards America itself. America should be the light of the world but we have allowed self-serving evil people to hijack this great nation for their own malicious ends.
 
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mistaken1

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How dare Putin remove children (and adults) from a war zone and send them to a safe living area! He should have done what the allied Azovs did: shoot them.

I wonder if the ICC asked those moved if they wanted to be moved?
You can't ask children if they want to go to russia, they are not adults, they do not understand.
Perhaps the russians should have asked the children if they wanted to change genders.

Others posted that graphic that shows that russia has the largest number of ukrainian refugees.

Ukrainians actually want to go to russia? Utter bullshit, I do not know anyone who wants to go to russia therefore no one wants to go to russia.
 

jward

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FLASH
@Flash_news_ua
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⚡️The grain agreement has been extended.
This was announced by Turkish President Erdogan, — Hurriyet reports.
⚡️ Minister of Infrastructure of Ukraine Oleksandr Kubrakov announced that the grain agreement was extended for 120 days.
 

jward

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mzkitty

I give up.
Wow, then she might be surprised concerning all the people who missed the dentist, during WWII.

And implants no less. Not cheap.

Good to see all those US dollars going to a good cause.

Does she even realize that they are AT WAR?

Are you kidding, Cary? I've been following her for a long time now. You try living in Kiev. As for the teeth, probably Ukrainian dentists don't charge as much as here. I mean here you pay fortune for those. I do not believe she makes a penny off of our *donation* to Ukraine. She's just a lady living in a war zone and she tell us about it.

 

CaryC

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Are you kidding, Cary? I've been following her for a long time now. You try living in Kiev. As for the teeth, probably Ukrainian dentists don't charge as much as here. I mean here you pay fortune for those. I do not believe she makes a penny off of our *donation* to Ukraine. She's just a lady living in a war zone and she tell us about it.

She presents as a person who goes about her life as if Ukraine is not at war. And missiles are a bother to her, not that she is in a war zone.

And comparing her life with people who have lived through wars she doesn't come off as caring her patriots are dying by the thousands, she just wants her teeth fixed, or her coffee. Dang Sirens can't get any coffee now. Have to Pay for a taxi, cuz the train ain't working.

When my mother was in Berlin during it's fall 1945 and Russians on every corner, raping all the women and killing all the children, she sure wasn't worried about her teeth or coffee. And before the Russian came into Berlin, they sat on the outskirts and used artillery fire, the then missiles, from April 16 thru May 2.

She gives me the impression the war is a bother to her. And no I'm not kidding.

She should have spent her teeth money buying an AK47 and her coffee money on ammo. It's war over there, don't act like it's all cozy comfy.

While I have never lived in a war zone. If you ever ask me about living in Kiev I'll be more that happy to spend hours telling you about living in Berlin, East Prussia, Eastern England cooking in a hospital next to a B 17 air field, living in MS during the depression/war years, and the two things none of those events and people worried about were their teeth and coffee at the local Starbucks.

This war is not an inconvenience for either side. It's war, and when it comes to war, the Russians are serious as death, and those in Ukraine need to understand that, and they don't.
 

CaryC

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Macgregor: The Gathering Storm​

Authored by Douglas Macgregor via TheAmericanConservative.com,
America’s self-inflicted trouble in Ukraine aggravates our dangerous trouble at home...

The crisis of American national power has begun. America’s economy is tipping over, and Western financial markets are quietly panicking. Imperiled by rising interest rates, mortgage-backed securities and U.S. Treasuries are losing their value. The market’s proverbial “vibes”—feelings, emotions, beliefs, and psychological penchants—suggest a dark turn is underway inside the American economy.

American national power is measured as much by American military capability as by economic potential and performance. The growing realization that American and European military-industrial capacity cannot keep up with Ukrainian demands for ammunition and equipment is an ominous signal to send during a proxy war that Washington insists its Ukrainian surrogate is winning.

Russian economy-of-force operations in southern Ukraine appear to have successfully ground down attacking Ukrainian forces with the minimal expenditure of Russian lives and resources. While Russia’s implementation of attrition warfare worked brilliantly, Russia mobilized its reserves of men and equipment to field a force that is several magnitudes larger and significantly more lethal than it was a year ago.

Russia’s massive arsenal of artillery systems including rockets, missiles, and drones linked to overhead surveillance platforms converted Ukrainian soldiers fighting to retain the northern edge of the Donbas into pop-up targets. How many Ukrainian soldiers have died is unknown, but one recent estimate wagers between 150,000-200,000 Ukrainians have been killed in action since the war began, while another estimates about 250,000.

Given the glaring weakness of NATO members’ ground, air, and air defense forces, an unwanted war with Russia could easily bring hundreds of thousands of Russian Troops to the Polish border, NATO’s Eastern Frontier. This is not an outcome Washington promised its European allies, but it’s now a real possibility.

In contrast to the Soviet Union’s hamfisted and ideologically driven foreign policymaking and execution, contemporary Russia has skillfully cultivated support for its cause in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. The fact that the West’s economic sanctions damaged the U.S. and European economies while turning the Russian ruble into one of the international system’s strongest currencies has hardly enhanced Washington’s global standing.

Biden’s policy of forcibly pushing NATO to Russia’s borders forged a strong commonality of security and trade interests between Moscow and Beijing that is attracting strategic partners in South Asia like India, and partners like Brazil in Latin America. The global economic implications for the emerging Russo-Chinese axis and their planned industrial revolution for some 3.9 billion people in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) are profound.

In sum, Washington’s military strategy to weaken, isolate, or even destroy Russia is a colossal failure and the failure puts Washington’s proxy war with Russia on a truly dangerous path. To press on, undeterred in the face of Ukraine’s descent into oblivion, ignores three metastasizing threats: 1. Persistently high inflation and rising interest rates that signal economic weakness. (The first American bank failure since 2020 is a reminder of U.S. financial fragility.) 2. The threat to stability and prosperity inside European societies already reeling from several waves of unwanted refugees/migrants. 3. The threat of a wider European war.

Inside presidential administrations, there are always competing factions urging the president to adopt a particular course of action. Observers on the outside seldom know with certainty which faction exerts the most influence, but there are figures in the Biden administration seeking an off-ramp from involvement in Ukraine. Even Secretary of State Antony Blinken, a rabid supporter of the proxy war with Moscow, recognizes that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky’s demand that the West help him recapture Crimea is a red line for Putin that might lead to a dramatic escalation from Moscow.

Backing down from the Biden administration’s malignant and asinine demands for a humiliating Russian withdrawal from eastern Ukraine before peace talks can convene is a step Washington refuses to take. Yet it must be taken. The higher interest rates rise, and the more Washington spends at home and abroad to prosecute the war in Ukraine, the closer American society moves toward internal political and social turmoil. These are dangerous conditions for any republic.

From all the wreckage and confusion of the last two years, there emerges one undeniable truth. Most Americans are right to be distrustful of and dissatisfied with their government. President Biden comes across as a cardboard cut-out, a stand-in for ideological fanatics in his administration, people that see executive power as the means to silence political opposition and retain permanent control of the federal government.

Americans are not fools. They know that members of Congress flagrantly trade stocks based on inside information, creating conflicts of interest that would land most citizens in jail. They also know that since 1965 Washington led them into a series of failed military interventions that severely weakened American political, economic, and military power.
Far too many Americans believe they have had no real national leadership since January 21, 2021.

It is high time the Biden administration found an off-ramp designed to extricate Washington, D.C., from its proxy Ukrainian war against Russia. It will not be easy. Liberal internationalism or, in its modern guise, “moralizing globalism,” makes prudent diplomacy arduous, but now is the time. In Eastern Europe, the spring rains present both Russian and Ukrainian ground forces with a sea of mud that severely impedes movement. But the Russian High Command is preparing to ensure that when the ground dries and Russian ground forces attack, the operations will achieve an unambiguous decision, making it clear that Washington and its supporters have no chance to rescue the dying regime in Kiev. From then on, negotiations will be extremely difficult, if not impossible.

 

bw

Fringe Ranger
She presents as a person who goes about her life as if Ukraine is not at war. And missiles are a bother to her, not that she is in a war zone.
She's fully aware that Ukraine is at war. I don't think she has anything to learn from you.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
She's fully aware that Ukraine is at war. I don't think she has anything to learn from you.
Maybe so.

But if history is any indication of how the Russians play at war, she wouldn't be in Kiev, or even Ukraine.

With the "March of Millions" out of East Prussia, which is how I hope my grandparents got out instead of being ecav'd by boat out of Konisburg, ( they lived in a forest village some 30 miles 62 KM due east of there) there is one thing my Opa didn't take. His teeth. From the time I first met him, in 1956 to the last time in 1963, he never had any.

And if the Russians play nice, after it's over, she can go back.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
She presents as a person who goes about her life as if Ukraine is not at war. And missiles are a bother to her, not that she is in a war zone.

And comparing her life with people who have lived through wars she doesn't come off as caring her patriots are dying by the thousands, she just wants her teeth fixed, or her coffee. Dang Sirens can't get any coffee now. Have to Pay for a taxi, cuz the train ain't working.

When my mother was in Berlin during it's fall 1945 and Russians on every corner, raping all the women and killing all the children, she sure wasn't worried about her teeth or coffee. And before the Russian came into Berlin, they sat on the outskirts and used artillery fire, the then missiles, from April 16 thru May 2.

She gives me the impression the war is a bother to her. And no I'm not kidding.

She should have spent her teeth money buying an AK47 and her coffee money on ammo. It's war over there, don't act like it's all cozy comfy.

While I have never lived in a war zone. If you ever ask me about living in Kiev I'll be more that happy to spend hours telling you about living in Berlin, East Prussia, Eastern England cooking in a hospital next to a B 17 air field, living in MS during the depression/war years, and the two things none of those events and people worried about were their teeth and coffee at the local Starbucks.

This war is not an inconvenience for either side. It's war, and when it comes to war, the Russians are serious as death, and those in Ukraine need to understand that, and they don't.

Hmmm, well, everybody's perspective is different, is it not? She's not some cold-hearted bitch; she's mom taking care of her young son. What do you want from her? The war could come even closer to her than it has so far. Would that make you happy? I know she appreciates every single day that a missile doesn't strike her, her kid, or her mom. She's still living on the edge. Not a good place to be. If she takes pleasure in a bunch of flowers someone sends her, who are you to say she doesn't appreciate it. If she appreciates her coffee, as many others do there, who are you to say she should be drinking filthy sewer water to appreciate war? Who are you to say she should be stripped bare? Come on, man.

:)
 

CaryC

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Hmmm, well, everybody's perspective is different, is it not? She's not some cold-hearted bitch; she's mom taking care of her young son. What do you want from her? The war could come even closer to her than it has so far. Would that make you happy? I know she appreciates every single day that a missile doesn't strike her, her kid, or her mom. She's still living on the edge. Not a good place to be. If she takes pleasure in a bunch of flowers someone sends her, who are you to say she doesn't appreciate it. If she appreciates her coffee, as many others do there, who are you to say she should be drinking filthy sewer water to appreciate war? Who are you to say she should be stripped bare? Come on, man.

:)
You're right everyone's perspective is different.

What do I want from her? I want her to live. And leaving Ukraine would solve those problems, and she would live. And so would her son. After the war is over, she could go back......maybe, but they would be alive.

And don't say she can't afford to leave. She just had 2 implants. And I could ask my grandparents how much it cost them to leave East Prussia, but I already know the answer - everything. And what did they take with them? Nothing.

But they lived and lived through some very hard times, long enough to meet their grandchildren. Which I am very grateful for.

So which is more important? Living to see your grandchildren, or coffee at Starbucks? This isn't a game that you can get up and leave when you want to, and extra lives.

Everyone's perspective is different.
 

Abert

Veteran Member
Take a good look at the map above. It shows clearly that fighting is taking place from the Black Sea in the south to the border of Belarus in the north. That is roughly 1,000 miles. Now, ask yourself, who has the manpower, weapons and resources to press the fight along this broad front? Simple answer, only Russia.
 

Oreally

Right from the start
Wow, then she might be surprised concerning all the people who missed the dentist, during WWII.

And implants no less. Not cheap.

Good to see all those US dollars going to a good cause.

Does she even realize that they are AT WAR?
Wow, then she might be surprised concerning all the people who missed the dentist, during WWII.

And implants no less. Not cheap.

Good to see all those US dollars going to a good cause.

Does she even realize that they are AT WAR?
Are you serious?
She says right there at the dentist someone came in whose son brother or husband is now in captivity and youre insinuating she doesn't know there's a war going on?
Come on get real
 

mzkitty

I give up.
You're right everyone's perspective is different.

What do I want from her? I want her to live. And leaving Ukraine would solve those problems, and she would live. And so would her son. After the war is over, she could go back......maybe, but they would be alive.

And don't say she can't afford to leave. She just had 2 implants. And I could ask my grandparents how much it cost them to leave East Prussia, but I already know the answer - everything. And what did they take with them? Nothing.

But they lived and lived through some very hard times, long enough to meet their grandchildren. Which I am very grateful for.

So which is more important? Living to see your grandchildren, or coffee at Starbucks? This isn't a game that you can get up and leave when you want to, and extra lives.

Everyone's perspective is different.

Not everyone left London during the Blitz either..... She is stubborn is what she is; resents this war. I was hoping she'd go live with Mom, who lives to the west...... but she won't. Maybe her work, I don't know.

At any rate, implants are cheaper in Ukraine:

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Ragnarok

On and On, South of Heaven
Can't have peace breaking out... Shouldn't it be up to Ukraine to decide?


As Xi Heads to Russia, U.S. Says No to Any China-Led Ceasefire in Ukraine
As Chinese President Xi Jinping prepared to meet his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin for the first time since weeks before war erupted in Ukraine, the White House has expressed opposition to any effort by Beijing to broker a ceasefire in the conflict.

The Chinese Foreign Ministry and the Kremlin confirmed reports Friday that Xi will visit Russia from Monday through Wednesday, with conversations expected to encompass the ongoing war in Ukraine. The visit follows a 12-point peace plan put forth by China last month on the anniversary of the conflict, emphasizing the need for a ceasefire accompanied by talks and an end to sanctions against Moscow.

But just one week after China managed to broker a surprise deal for Middle Eastern rivals Iran and Saudi Arabia to reestablish ties, National Security Council Strategic Communications Coordinator John Kirby argued that such a cessation of hostilities would not be the positive development it may seem.

Such a move, Kirby asserted during a virtual press call on Friday, "would, in effect, recognize Russia's gains, and its attempt to conquer his neighbor's territory by force, allowing Russian troops to continue to occupy sovereign Ukrainian territory and, of course, it would be another continued violation of the U.N. Charter."

He stated that a ceasefire would also serve as opportunity for Russian troops "to only further entrench their positions in Ukraine" and "to rebuild, refit and refresh their forces so that they can restart attacks on Ukraine at a time of their choosing."

"We do not believe that this is a step towards a just and durable peace and, as we've all talked about, a just and durable, a sustainable peace has got to be one that is not one- sided," Kirby said, "and that fully incorporates Ukrainian perspectives and respects the basic idea of solid Ukrainian sovereignty in this case, which the Chinese say that they do want to respect."

"We all want to see the war end and we remain committed to that goal, but, as I said, for it to end, it's got to end in a just way that respects Ukrainian prerogatives and fully respects Ukrainian sovereignty," he added. "And a ceasefire, at this time, while that may sound good, we do not believe would have that effect."

Asked by Newsweek about whether the U.S. was deviating from its stated policy of speaking for Ukrainian interests in opposing a ceasefire, Kirby said that he "won't speak for President [Volodymyr] Zelensky or what he's willing to consider or not, he's been pretty vocal as of late that he doesn't support that."

"But I'm not going to speak for President Zelensky, I'm speaking for us," Kirby said.
"And we don't support calls for a ceasefire right now. We certainly don't support calls for a ceasefire that would be called for by the PRC in a meeting in Moscow that would simply benefit Russia."

Speaking to reporters in Beijing earlier, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Wang Wenbin said that "President Xi will have an in-depth exchange of views with President Putin on bilateral relations and major international and regional issues of mutual interest, boost strategic coordination and practical cooperation between the two countries and inject new impetus into the growth of bilateral relations."

"At present, the situation unseen in a century is evolving at a faster pace and the world has entered a new period of instability and transformation," Wang said. "China and Russia are permanent members of the UN Security Council and major countries, and the significance and influence of the China-Russia relationship goes far beyond the bilateral scope."

He described the visit as a "trip for friendship," owing to the close personal relationship between the two world leaders who have long made a point to emphasize that their bond went beyond the professional level.

This relationship was on full display during their last in-person summit more than a year ago at the onset of the Winter Olympic Games in Beijing, where the two outlined a new commitment to their "comprehensive strategic partnership for a new era." But after two weeks of Moscow denying its military buildup around Ukraine was intended to result in intervention, Putin announced the beginning of his "special military operation" on February 24, 2022.

Chinese officials have repeatedly denied giving any alleged greenlight to their Russian counterparts over the war. And while Beijing has echoed Moscow's concerns over NATO's expansion in Eastern Europe, China has officially remained neutral and has called for peace.

In previewing Xi's trip, Wang said that "China will uphold an objective and fair position on the Ukraine crisis and play a constructive role in promoting talks for peace."

And while Wang would not confirm reports that Xi was also planning to hold virtual talks with Zelensky, the Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson asserted that "China's position on the Ukraine crisis is consistent and clear and that "we maintain communication with all parties."
 

Nowski

Let's Go Brandon!
Should The New Russia, be victorious in their liberation
of The Donbas, what is going to happen to us here,
in the ZUSA?

We live in an evil country now, with an out of control
communist federal government, that is doing everything
in their power, to stomp out any opposition to their rule.

What HELL awaits us?

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski
 

jward

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A new encirclement theat may be rising in Donetsk oblast.
Russians have recently started making gains in the Avdiivka sector, about 50 km south of Bakhmut. The area has been relatively stable for months, but now the situation is becoming more difficult for the Ukrainians. 1/ Image
Avdiivka has been on the frontline for years, as fighting in the direction began already in 2014. The enemy was stopped then, and they have been stopped again and again during 2022. Despite heavy fighting, the Russians were unable to make significant progress for a long time. 2/
Months of fighting against constant Russian pressure have caused some cracks in the Ukrainian defense. In the northern side of Avdiivka, Ukraine lost Krasnohorivka and also likely Vesele. In the south, Russians are now attacking Sieverne. The gap is about 11 km wide. 3/ Image
The recent development has potential to become a real problem for the Ukrainians.
The area behind Avdiivka is flat and has limited natural cover. It mostly consists of fields and narrow treelines, with only a few villages. The supply roads pass through this area. 4/ Image
There are some key logistical points that Russia must capture in order to cut Avdiivka off, mainly the villages of Berdychi, Orlivka and Tonenke. I have highlighted the most important routes, there are some smaller ones next to the fields too. 5/ Image
The Russians do not have to close the whole 10 km gap in order to win the battle. Cutting a couple of roads, taking the rest under heavy fire control and forming an imminent encirclement threat could be enough. 6/ Image
The weather conditions may limit the options for both parties. It’s the mud season in Ukraine again, so the fields don't really support heavy traffic. For Ukraine this means supplying the city through smaller roads can be tricky, but it also slows down Russian attacks. 7/
Russian forces are also conducting attacks in the outskirts of the city itself. For example Kamianka is under constant attack. These attacks tie Ukrainian units into battle all over the Avdiivka sector. At the same time, they must bring in more supplies and troops. 8/
It is possible, however, that the Russian invaders are stopped in the surrounding villages and fields, and the situation freezes again. Ukrainians have been able to succesfully defend areas under heavy pressure for weeks, like the Khromove road in Bakhmut. 9/
If the situation develops in a worse direction, Avdiivka will quickly lose its value as a defendable area and become more of a burden. It’s possible that the Ukrainians want to hold Avdiivka until the very end, and a retreat might happen only under the most extreme threat. 10/
Our team is monitoring the situation constantly, and we make (nearly) daily updates to our map. Our goal is to produce the most accurate map of the general situation. 11/11
Link to the map here!

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jward

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Israel for 1st time since war began OKs export licenses for anti-drone systems for Ukraine​


Barak Ravid

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Barak Ravid
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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky hold a press conference in Kyiv on Aug. 19, 2019. Photo: Sergey/Xinhua via Getty Images
Israel recently approved the export licenses for the possible sale of anti-drone jamming systems that could help Ukraine counter Iranian drones used by Russia during the war, three Israeli and Ukrainian officials said.
Why it matters: It's the first time since Russia invaded Ukraine more than a year ago that Israel has approved defense export licenses for possible weapons sales to Ukraine.
  • Israel has been careful not to give military assistance to Ukraine, fearing such a move could create tension with Russia and harm Israeli security interests in Syria.
Driving the news: After Russia started using Iranian-made attack drones during the war, the Ukrainian government increased its pressure for Israeli military assistance.
  • Ukrainian officials have claimed that providing weapons systems to Ukraine is in Israel's best interest because Iran is able to gain information about how the drones perform and then make improvements.
  • Iran has acknowledged it delivered some drones to Russia before the war started, but denies doing so after the invasion began. Russia denies using Iranian-made drones during the war, despite growing evidence to the contrary.
Behind the scenes: The approval of the export licenses by Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and Foreign Minister Eli Cohen came in mid-February as Israel was conducting a Netanyahu-ordered review of its policy toward the war, the Israeli and Ukrainian officials said. That review has been completed but no new decisions have been made, according to Israeli officials.
  • Cohen notified Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky about the approval during his trip to Kyiv on Feb. 15.
  • The licenses were approved for two Israeli companies — Elbit and Rafael — that develop anti-drone systems, Israeli and Ukrainian officials said.
A Ukrainian official told Axios that a delegation from Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense visited Israel recently to get a presentation on the anti-drone systems. No deal has been signed yet.
  • The systems Israel proposed that Ukraine buy use electronic warfare to jam and down drones. The systems have a range of around 25 miles and can be positioned near power plants or other critical sites to protect them from drones.
  • The Ukrainian Defense Ministry is interested in the systems, but they are viewed as less critical because Ukraine has been able to intercept the drones between 75–90% of the time, the Ukrainian officials said.
  • "What we really need is a defensive system against ballistic missiles," a Ukrainian official told Axios.
What they're saying: Israeli officials claim the approval of the export licenses is not a shift in policy because the systems are defensive in nature and do not use any live fire that can kill Russian soldiers.
  • “Israel is assisting Ukraine in the defense and civilian fields. Every request is being reviewed according to the defense export policy to Ukraine. We don’t elaborate on that for national security and foreign policy considerations,” the Ministry of Defense said.
Between the lines: A senior Israeli official told Axios one of the reasons Israel approved the licenses was to possibly see how the defense systems perform against Iranian drones.
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Not everyone left London during the Blitz either..... She is stubborn is what she is; resents this war. I was hoping she'd go live with Mom, who lives to the west...... but she won't. Maybe her work, I don't know.

At any rate, implants are cheaper in Ukraine:

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You do realize that is not the point, right?
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
We're being treated to the legislators popping off like a bunch of Black Cat firecrackers - both from the Duma and the Congress.

Consider the Russian equivalent of Lindsey Graham finding a camera and microphone - that's what we're getting right now and the only idiots paying attention are the press. Meaningless bunch of no-cojones mouthing-off.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
Sanctions are working as intended, no?
Are the all important lobbyists lobbying to remove the US, EU, sanctions?
Common sense, hey.
If you can't compete, you should find somethin else to do.
Go Hard or Go Home.
Fly Ukraine, Zelensky is hiring pilots.
 

Cedar Lake

Connecticut Yankee
L

Lying Benedict Arnold
''Lying Benedict Arnold''.
What does that even mean?
Any American Citizen can speak and have their opinion just like the illustrious Colonel MacGregor.
He is not a traitor to the United States. Impossible
The United States of America is not at a formal state of war with Russia or any other nation.

Colonel MacGregor said it is high time the Biden administration found an off-ramp designed to extricate Washington, D.C., from its proxy Ukrainian war against Russia. It will not be easy.
He speaks the truth.
Biden's off-ramp is leave Ukraine just as he left/withdrew from Afghanistan. The Biden Way
Why?
Because Taiwan is waiting to be saved next from China.
 

jward

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hmm.

America Must Plan for a Stalemate in Ukraine​


Eric Levitz





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Photo: Dimitar Dilkoff/AFP via Getty Images

When Vladimir Putin launched his war of conquest against Ukraine last year, the Pentagon expected Kyiv to fall within days. As Russian troops began advancing along four separate fronts, Western policy-makers readied plans to punish Putin’s invasion, not to defeat it.

Their fatalism wasn’t hard to understand. Russia was three times as populous as Ukraine, and its economy was nearly nine times larger than its neighbor’s. Meanwhile, Ukraine’s fledgling democracy was bitterly divided and its president deeply unpopular. From the Defense Department’s distant perch, it looked as though Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s nation lacked the manpower, economic might, and will to beat back Putin’s war machine.

It did not take long for Ukraine to embarrass the optimists in Moscow and pessimists in D.C. The Ukrainian army abruptly thwarted Russia’s Kyiv offensive, forcing Putin to scale back his war aims and inspiring the West to redouble its military and economic support for the Ukrainian cause. Over the ensuing months, conventional wisdom about the nation’s prospects fundamentally changed. Russia’s economy sagged from the weight of sanctions while its army bled men by the tens of thousands. Ukrainian counteroffensives liberated Kharkiv and Kherson, while the West ratcheted up the quality and quantity of its martial aid. Whereas Western analysts had once considered Ukraine incapable of retaining its own capital, by year’s end, some cast the full reconquest of the country’s internationally recognized territories — from the Donbas down to Crimea — as a realistic condition for peace. More importantly, Ukrainian leadership reached the same conclusion. Or at least, faced with Russian atrocities in formerly occupied Ukrainian cities, Zelenskyy’s government came to regard any territorial concessions as politically unthinkable.

But now, a full year into the conflict, the realities that once led Washington to write off Ukraine have begun to reassert themselves. Since the onset of winter, battle lines have remained largely static, with Russia making incremental gains. A war of attrition has set in. And in several respects, Russia appears better positioned to pass such an endurance test.

Wars of attrition are tests of manpower, industrial capacity, and political will. Despite its heavy losses, Russia has no shortage of men. Following its mobilization in October, Russia boasts more than 300,000 troops in Ukraine and hundreds of thousands of additional reserves. In total, Moscow commands a military force of an estimated 1.3 million. The Ukrainian military’s headcount is closer to 500,000.

The quality of Russia’s conscripted forces may not be high. But after a year of bleeding its best-trained professionals, the Ukrainian military faces similar problems. According to Western estimates, Ukraine has lost 120,000 troops to death or wounds. This has transformed the character of Ukraine’s forces, according to Ukrainian troops who spoke with the Washington Post this week:

After a year of war, Kupol, a lieutenant colonel, said his battalion is unrecognizable. Of about 500 soldiers, roughly 100 were killed in action and another 400 wounded, leading to complete turnover. Kupol said he was the sole military professional in the battalion, and he described the struggle of leading a unit composed entirely of inexperienced troops.
“I get 100 new soldiers,” Kupol said. “They don’t give me any time to prepare them. They say, ‘Take them into the battle.’ They just drop everything and run. That’s it. Do you understand why? Because the soldier doesn’t shoot. I ask him why, and he says, ‘I’m afraid of the sound of the shot.’ And for some reason, he has never thrown a grenade.”

The Post’s report also suggests that Ukraine is “suffering from basic shortages of ammunition, including artillery shells and mortar bombs.”

Russia’s stocks of martial hardware are comparatively deep. After much hesitation, Germany approved the transfer of Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine last month. While those vehicles are more advanced than Russia’s tanks, the quantity being sent is all but “symbolic,” in the words of one Ukrainian government official who spoke with the Post. More than one month after they were approved, only a few dozen Leopard 2s have made it into Ukraine. Russia’s tank fleet numbers in the thousands.

For its part, the U.S. has already expended 13 years’ worth of Stinger anti-aircraft missiles and five years’ worth of Javelins on the Ukrainian cause. American military production has not come close to keeping pace with Kyiv’s demand for armaments, which has forced the U.S. to delay arms shipments to Taiwan.

In the medium-term, the balance of armaments will be shaped by each side’s productive capacity. Contrary to Western hopes, sanctions have failed to incapacitate Russia’s economy, which is poised to grow this year. The same cannot be said of Ukraine’s. After falling by more than 30 percent in 2022, the nation’s GDP is now one-tenth that of Russia.

Of course, the collective economic might of the Western alliance dwarfs that of Putin’s petro-state. The combined GDP of the U.S., the U.K., and the European Union is roughly 28 times larger than Russia’s. Yet the EU and U.S. have together dedicated only about 0.3 percent of their combined GDP to the Ukrainian war effort, and even this has attracted some domestic opposition. As Daniel Gros of the Institute for European Policy-Making calculates, given the lower costs of Russian manufacturing, the Kremlin would only need to spend between 4 and 6 percent of Russian GDP on the war to exceed the West’s present funding levels.

Which seems eminently feasible, since Putin’s war effort appears well insulated from any popular opposition. The Russian leader long sought to avoid mass conscription, apparently out of fear for its political consequences. But such anxieties now look misplaced. September’s mobilization did chase an estimated 700,000 Russians out of the country. But exiling an internationally mobile (and thus likely disproportionately liberal) and exceptionally war-resistant segment of the population served to strengthen Putin’s grip on power, whatever its long-term implications for the Russian economy. At the same time, the Kremlin has managed to concentrate the war’s burdens on the most disempowered parts of Russian society, such as ethnic minorities in provinces far from Moscow and Saint Petersburg. For now, Putin’s core constituency can weather a protracted conflict far more comfortably than Ukrainian civilians.

In the U.S., meanwhile, support for the Ukrainian cause shows some signs of erosion. Over the past year, the percentage of U.S. voters who believe that their country has provided “too much” support to Ukraine has climbed from 7 to 26 percent, according to Pew Research. A separate survey in February found a majority of Americans saying either that the U.S. should not send more weapons to Ukraine or that they had no opinion about the matter. In May 2022, that same poll found 60 percent support for arming Ukraine. More critically, opponents of sustained aid may boast power in excess of their numbers, as war-weary Republican House members appear to enjoy some veto power over what legislation Speaker Kevin McCarthy will put on the floor. Given this context, a dramatic increase in the scale and pace of Western arms transfers seems unlikely.

None of this means that Ukraine cannot possibly achieve a total victory. The reportedly low quality of Ukraine’s surviving forces could be misleading, as the nation is holding back some of its best fighters for an impending spring offensive. Further, the White House could theoretically heed the Washington Post editorial board’s advice and drastically escalate support for the Ukrainian cause, providing Kyiv with advanced fighter jets and other offensive weapons. The Russian army’s morale could break; Ukraine’s greatest advantage in a war of attrition is that it is fighting for the freedom of its people rather than the whims of an autocrat. Putin could die.

Nevertheless, given the present balance of power, it seems far more likely that Ukraine will fail to retake the entirety of its rightful territory. That basic assessment is shared by a wide range of analysts, including some in the Ukrainian military and many sympathetic to its cause.

American policymakers must therefore give greater thought to how they can best advance both U.S. and Ukrainian interests in the event of a protracted stalemate. Which is to say, they must ask how a relatively just and timely peace can be achieved in the event that Ukraine fails to oust Russian forces from its territory.

The obstacles to securing a functional peace in the absence of Russian withdrawal are formidable. And in many cases, overcoming one obstacle to that outcome only fortifies another.

Ukraine will never know true justice. Nothing Russia does from this point forward can possibly make right all the misery that its invasion has wrought. The dead can’t be brought back to life. And a resolution that leaves Russia in control of some of Ukraine’s rightful territory will be unjust by definition.

Still, a resolution that enables Ukraine to enjoy sovereignty over the vast majority of its territory, economic viability, and geopolitical security would represent a national triumph, and constitute a foundation for a prosperous and peaceful future. It should be possible to satisfy those first two conditions without affecting any dramatic change in territorial control. Were Russia to conquer the entirety of Ukraine’s coastline, rendering the nation a landlocked country, its future economic prospects would be severely impaired. If Ukraine retains sovereignty over the territory it presently controls, however, the purely geographic impediments to its prosperity will not be significant.

Ukraine’s growth potential could be further enhanced by ascension to the European Union. In a recent interview with The New Yorker, the historian Stephen Kotkin suggests that Ukrainian victory might be beneficially redefined as a modest increase in its controlled territory combined with EU membership. After all, it was a popular mobilization in favor of stronger economic ties with the EU that kicked off the Russia-Ukraine crisis in 2013.

If the prospect of EU membership might bolster Ukraine’s economic prospects, and mitigate Zelensky’s difficulty in selling de facto territorial concessions to the Ukrainian public, it could also make the third condition of a just peace harder to achieve. Ukraine will never be geopolitically secure without Russian acquiescence to its independence. Even if Ukraine did manage to conquer the entirety of its territory, Russia could continue terrorizing it from the other side of their 1,300-mile land border.

A just peace will therefore require Russian buy-in. One way to secure that is through deterrence. The extension of some form of security guarantee to Ukraine is a precondition for any diplomatic resolution of the conflict, but especially for one involving the forfeiture of Ukrainian territory. Kyiv will not strike a peace deal that effectively gives Russia time to rearm and then reinvade from a more proximate border.

And yet, absent his military’s utter defeat, it is difficult to imagine Putin consenting to a peace resolution that awards Ukraine both the equivalent of NATO protection against a future Russian invasion and membership in the European Union. To the extent that Putin’s war has any rational basis, it is to prevent Ukraine from aligning militarily and economically with the West. And Putin has more reason to fear a Western-aligned Ukraine today than he did before his invasion. Relative to February 2022, the West is more hostile to his regime, his military is less powerful, and NATO is larger and more unified. It is possible that diplomats could craft a system of security guarantees that included non-Western powers, such as China. But the credibility of such guarantees would rest on the participation of the states that contributed to Ukraine’s defense in the present crisis.

At the same time, it is unclear what guarantees the West is prepared to offer. Before the current conflict, when the prospect of a full-scale Russian invasion of Ukraine seemed far-fetched, the U.S. and Europe were already reluctant to extend NATO protection to Ukraine for fear of ending up in a direct military confrontation with a nuclear superpower. Perhaps something short of a commitment to defend Ukraine against a future invasion, such as ongoing material support for its military, would satisfy Kyiv. But absent massive battlefield setbacks, it seems unlikely that Ukraine would resign itself to such meager protection.

All this underscores the difficulty of achieving a timely peace. And yet the longer the war persists, the more lives it will take, and the more challenging Ukraine’s ultimate recovery will be. Further, given Russia’s potential advantages in a prolonged conflict, avoiding a long war may be a martial imperative.

In a recent analysis of the impediments to near-term peace, Samuel Charap and Miranda Priebe of the Rand Corporation emphasize the dual problems of the combatants’ mutual optimism about the war’s future course and pessimism about the benefits of peace. So long as Putin believes that time is on his side, securing Russian recognition of Ukraine’s right to sovereignty and security will be impossible. Further, the bleaker the postwar world looks to Moscow, the less inclined it will be to find a path to peace.

To address the first problem, Charap and Priebe recommend that the U.S. enact a long-term plan for its military assistance to Ukraine, complete with “credible delivery schedules and clear capability implications.” If the durability of American support for the Ukrainian cause were guaranteed, then Russia would have less reason to believe that time is on its side.

At the same time, the U.S. could mitigate Russia’s pessimism about life after war by establishing explicit conditions for sanctions relief, thereby giving Putin’s regime more economic incentive to end its bloodletting.

Yet the authors acknowledge that any action that reduces Russian optimism about a prolonged war, and pessimism about peace, could have the opposite effect on Ukraine’s disposition. If future U.S. aid were assured, they suggest that Kyiv might grow unduly optimistic about its odds of total victory. At the same time, if Ukraine comes to believe that a peace agreement would afford Russia relief from sanctions, and therefore more economic might, Ukraine might be more inclined to fight on, for a fear of how a more prosperous Russia might menace it in the future.

To curb excessive Ukrainian optimism, Rand advises the U.S. to consider conditioning its long-term aid on Kyiv’s commitment to negotiations. To mitigate Ukraine’s fears of peace, meanwhile, they advise the U.S. to guarantee that military aid will continue even after the conflict, along with some form of security guarantee. Although when Charap and Priebe contemplate the details of the latter, they struggle to articulate an arrangement that would simultaneously satisfy Ukraine’s demand for security, Russia’s insistence on Ukrainian neutrality, and the West’s desire to avoid direct engagement in foreign conflicts. They’re ultimately left with the opaque suggestion, “Creative approaches could be considered that are not as binding as U.S. mutual defense treaties but greater than pledges to return to current levels of support in a future contingency.”

Thus the path to achieving a remotely just and timely peace, in the absence of Ukraine’s martial triumph, is not easy to discern. But the path to the full liberation of the Donbas and Crimea is no less obscure. In the estimate of some in Ukraine’s own military, the success of its spring offensive is far from assured. Should that offensive fail, the White House will need to be prepared with a plan for resolving the myriad obstacles to winning Ukraine a modicum of postwar security and prosperity.
America Must Plan for a Stalemate in Ukraine

 
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