ALERT Russia: Attack on Tehran is Attack on Moscow!!!

[JF&P]

Russia: Attack on Tehran is Attack on Moscow

Russia has given Iran its bear hug and warns Israel and the West that an attack on Tehran would be considered an attack on Moscow. The threat heightens the prospect of World War III in the event of a military strike on Iran.

“Iran is our neighbor,” Russia's outgoing ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, told reporters in Brussels. “And if Iran is involved in any military action, it’s a direct threat to our security.”

Kremlin Security Council head Nikolai Patrushev accused Israel of provoking the United States towards war against Iran, the Russian Interfax news agency reported Friday. “But at the same time, we believe that any country has the right to have what it needs to feel comfortable, including Iran," he added.

Rogozin warned on Friday that more attacks on Iran could cause "a scorching Arab Summer."

Russia also has come to the defense of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, warning Western nations not to intervene in Syria with military forces. Russia is a major arms supplier to Syria and has a heavy investment in Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Japan also is drifting towards Iran, backtracking from its promise last week to back American sanctions aimed at persuading Iran to halt its unsupervised nuclear development.

Last week’s assassination of an Iranian nuclear scientist has aroused more “Death to America” and “Death to Israel” protest rallies in Iran, where the scientist was buried on Friday.

Iranian state radio said the 32-year-old scientist was involved with enriched uranium, a key ingredient for a nuclear weapon.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151739#.TxLYm_kk0a5

 

[Hfcomms]

This;

“Iran is our neighbor,” Russia's outgoing ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, told reporters in Brussels. “And if Iran is involved in any military action, it’s a direct threat to our security.”

Does not = this;

Russia: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

A war with Iran being considered a threat to Russian security does not equal an attack on Iran IS an attack on Moscow.

One has to consider diplomatic speak here. If another country was to take a military action of some sort in the Caribbean we would take that as a threat to US security but it is a far cry from saying that it would be considered as a direct attack on the US. If the Russian ambassador meant that a US attack on Iran would be considered to be an attack on Moscow he would of said it.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Great find my friend. Hopefully, some of the skeptics here will take heed to what's happening.

I'll be watering(adding to it) this thread from time to time, hope you don't mind.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

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Sincerely and Forever, your friend and Compadre,

The right(sometimes wrong) honorable Dr. Fungcool esq.

P.S. John DOES have a long mustache...but it ain't longer than mine, I guarantee it.

doc

 

[JF&P]

God Bless You Doc

 

[doctor_fungcool]

God Bless You Doc

Thank you my friend. Tis unfortunate how most Americans (even members here and at TOL) are still in denial. Sad, very sad.

 

[Warthog]

 

[doctor_fungcool]

I'm curious. How many members are in favor of bombing Iran?

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Looks like Mr. Obama is chickening out. Tis a pity.

US-Israeli discord over action against Iran went into overdrive Sunday, Jan. 15 when the White House called off Austere Challenge 12, the biggest joint war game the US and Israel have every staged, ready to go in spring, in reprisal for a comment by Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon in an early morning radio interview.

He said the United States was hesitant over sanctions against Iran's central bank and oil for fear of a spike in oil prices.

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Plus, the U.S. doesn't want to get nuked by the Ruskies

No linkie, so take this as hearsay until further notice.

Russian Ambassador in Germany beaten up by mysterious "armed gang"

 

[doctor_fungcool]

O.T., but this is important...are we losing friends and creating enemies?

Saudi, Chinese oil giants ink joint refinery deal
Jan 14 01:09 PM US/Eastern

A general view shows the Saudi Aramco oil facility in Dammam city, 450 kms ...

Saudi state oil giant Aramco inked a deal Saturday with China's Sinopec to build an oil refinery in the Red Sea city of Yanbu that will process 400,000 barrels per day, state news agency SPA said.

The project, named Yasref, aims to be operational in 2014, SPA reported.

 

[Mad Spook]

Dr FC, it would only be those who are foolish enough to desire what is sown to be reaped upon themselves.
Many here were not alive at the time of the cuban missle crisis, and did not live thru what came very close to
happening. Hades is full of those of folly. Thanks for all your posts and info.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

and then there's this, which is O.T. somewhat, but fits into the puzzle nicely





Iran Foreign Ministry Claims Nuclear Scientist Was Executed By CIA, As Nigeria Strike Talks Collapse
01/14/2012 - 22:15 Futures market Iran

http://www.zerohedge.com

While on one hand we get news from Nigeria that the government and the labor unions have failed to end a labor strike, raising the prospect of a halt of all production in the country which produces 2.4 million barrels of oil per day or roughly the same as Iran exports, we now find out that the US attempt at de-escalating tensions with Iran (following Thursday's news of an extension in the oil embargo deadline by 6 months - one would almost think Obama realized $5.00 gas may be an issue with the election looming) may have failed massively, and it is now Iran's attempt to score political brownie points knowing well it has all the advantage. As EA WorldView reports, instead of backing away from last week's sensitive issue of the assasination of a nuclear scientist, Iran has ripped the scab right off the wound and its foreign ministry has boldly proclaimed that it has "reliable documents and evidence that this terrorist act was planned, guided and supported by the CIA. The documents clearly show that this terrorist act was carried out with the direct involvement of CIA-linked agents." So the ball is now squarely back in America's court, and any further attempts at appeasement, such as the embargo extension was perceived as being, will merely serve to make US foreign policy appear even more toothless. Which Hillary will hardly stomach. So we may well be back at square one (only this time with two aircraft carriers in the Arabian Sea instead of just one).

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Dr FC, it would only be those who are foolish enough to desire what is sown to be reaped upon themselves.
Many here were not alive at the time of the cuban missle crisis, and did not live thru what came very close to
happening. Hades is full of those of folly. Thanks for all your posts and info.

Mad Spook, I've seen you screen name at the bottom of my posts for years and years. You seldom post, so I take your post here as an extreme 'positive'. Thanks for that....
I'm sure J&P (who is a dear friend) also feels the same way.

Sometimes, I've felt like a WWII bomber pilot flying over enemy territory. Lots of flack...so much so that it could be walked upon.

The Russians have drawn a very wide, red line. Cross it, and pay. That's the message.

 

[jim_bo]

Looks like Mr. Obama is chickening out. Tis a pity.

US-Israeli discord over action against Iran went into overdrive Sunday, Jan. 15 when the White House called off Austere Challenge 12, the biggest joint war game the US and Israel have every staged, ready to go in spring, in reprisal for a comment by Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon in an early morning radio interview.

He said the United States was hesitant over sanctions against Iran's central bank and oil for fear of a spike in oil prices.

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Plus, the U.S. doesn't want to get nuked by the Ruskies

No linkie, so take this as hearsay until further notice.

Russian Ambassador in Germany beaten up by mysterious "armed gang"

So....... we sent over troops to Israel for nothing? This makes no sense or there is a tail wagging the dog somewhere!

Jim_bo

 

[byronandkathy2003]

I'm curious. How many members are in favor of bombing Iran?

i think if it were up to me i would tell Iran try closing the straights we will make you wish you had not tried doing so..
and as a parting shot i would tell them if you feel frogy then jump!.

 

[Hfcomms]

Problem is that the chances are great this time that it won't be contained over there. The question we should as ourselves are is are we froggy enough to tolerate $10 gas, the loss of much more of our job base and the unleashing of real terrorism over here as well as perhaps a direct intervention against us by Russia and China? Not to mention that it would be the perfect springboard to give the government a free hand to being to round up people here under the NDAA as potential terrorists. We're already bankrupt anyway, how much more war do we want?

 

[Rescuedog]

JMO but I think we should pull every single cent of foreign aid to everyone, use the money to reinvest in our military and energy production. Suck it up for five years and go without whatever we can't manufacture here. We need to face the fact that we have bought zero loyalty and security by providing aid, so it stops now.

Then we tell countries like Saudi Arabia to eat their sand and drink their oil, we tell Japan, thanks but no thanks, we're buying American, and we tell China to shove it. If anyone looks sideways we give them a little pinch.

We tell the bad guys exactly what we will do if they cross a line. Iran makes a bomb? We take out every reactor. Syria starts sniffing around Israel, buh-bye. African pirate comes too close to one of our recreational yachts? Say good bye to your village.

I'm done with being the good guys while the rest of the world craps on us. Let's just live up to everyone else's expectations and we'll all be happy.

RD

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Problem is that the chances are great this time that it won't be contained over there. The question we should as ourselves are is are we froggy enough to tolerate $10 gas, the loss of much more of our job base and the unleashing of real terrorism over here as well as perhaps a direct intervention against us by Russia and China? Not to mention that it would be the perfect springboard to give the government a free hand to being to round up people here under the NDAA as potential terrorists. We're already bankrupt anyway, how much more war do we want?

+1000 great thinking Hfcomms.

Over the years, on many forums, I've seen keyboard cowboys advocate attacking one country or another.
I've asked a simple question. The question is, should we bomb Iran, knowing that Russia would retaliate against us? Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any posts on the question. Is there a reason for that?

 

[Rescuedog]

+1000 great thinking Hfcomms.

Over the years, on many forums, I've seen keyboard cowboys advocate attacking one country or another.
I've asked a simple question. The question is, should we bomb Iran, knowing that Russia would retaliate against us? Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any posts on the question. Is there a reason for that?

I think what is being done is almost better, the stuxnet virus, killing their nuke guys. There isn't one big move by the US or Israel that Russia can point to as our doing but Iran is being chipped away at.

I wouldn't see an all out attack as prudent unless we were willing to obliterate Russia at the same time, and I don't see that happening.

RD

 

[Snipe Hunter]

So....... we sent over troops to Israel for nothing? This makes no sense or there is a tail wagging the dog somewhere!

Jim_bo

FWIW ........i think Israel has & will become our middle east version of South Korea

Just an observation

 

[doctor_fungcool]

I think what is being done is almost better, the stuxnet virus, killing their nuke guys. There isn't one big move by the US or Israel that Russia can point to as our doing but Iran is being chipped away at.

I wouldn't see an all out attack as prudent unless we were willing to obliterate Russia at the same time, and I don't see that happening.

RD

Agreed. However, if this is going to be a low level conflict, then we can expect counter measures on the part of the Iranians vis a vis the killing of their nuke engineers. If they know that Russia has their back, they may, in fact, become bold, outrageous, and provocative.

 

[Grantbo]

I'm curious. How many members are in favor of bombing Iran?

Make up a poll and find out.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Make up a poll and find out.

Good idea....if the membership makes up some of the questions.

This in from zerohedge.



Appeasement Arrives: Joint US-Israel Exercise Postponed For "Budget Reasons", US Will Not Enforce No Fly Zone Over Syria
on 01/15/2012 - 11:07 Iran Israel

First we had news that out of the blue, the Western embargo against Iranian oil exports would be delayed by 6 months, and now, in the aftermath of last night's developments out of Iran which blamed the CIA for the murder of its nuclear scientist we get this (from Bloomberg):

ISRAEL, U.S. POSTPONE MILITARY EXERCISE, ISRAEL RADIO SAYS
JOINT EXERCISE POSTPONED FOR BUDGET REASONS, RADIO SAYS
U.S.-ISRAELI EXERCISE PLANNED TO BE BIGGEST EVER, RADIO SAYS
EXERCISE WAS TO TAKE PLACE IN NEXT FEW MONTHS, RADIO SAYS

And just so it doesn't look like a total cave in:

ISRAEL SAYS JOINT U.S. MILITARY EXERCISE STILL UNDER DISCUSSION

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Saber rattling, and then backing down is worse than doing nothing...in my book. It makes us look weak.

As a reminder Iran made it very clear an escalation in joint US-Israel war game cooperation would be met with yet another miliary exercise out of Iran.

There's no doubt that some big powers are watching their back.

 

[CGTech]

Good idea....if the membership makes up some of the questions.

This in from zerohedge.



Appeasement Arrives: Joint US-Israel Exercise Postponed For "Budget Reasons", US Will Not Enforce No Fly Zone Over Syria
on 01/15/2012 - 11:07 Iran Israel

First we had news that out of the blue, the Western embargo against Iranian oil exports would be delayed by 6 months, and now, in the aftermath of last night's developments out of Iran which blamed the CIA for the murder of its nuclear scientist we get this (from Bloomberg):

ISRAEL, U.S. POSTPONE MILITARY EXERCISE, ISRAEL RADIO SAYS
JOINT EXERCISE POSTPONED FOR BUDGET REASONS, RADIO SAYS
U.S.-ISRAELI EXERCISE PLANNED TO BE BIGGEST EVER, RADIO SAYS
EXERCISE WAS TO TAKE PLACE IN NEXT FEW MONTHS, RADIO SAYS

And just so it doesn't look like a total cave in:

ISRAEL SAYS JOINT U.S. MILITARY EXERCISE STILL UNDER DISCUSSION

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Saber rattling, and then backing down is worse than doing nothing...in my book. It makes us look weak.

As a reminder Iran made it very clear an escalation in joint US-Israel war game cooperation would be met with yet another miliary exercise out of Iran.

There's no doubt that some big powers are watching their back.

another possiblity - that this could be misdirection..?

 

[Rescuedog]

Agreed. However, if this is going to be a low level conflict, then we can expect counter measures on the part of the Iranians vis a vis the killing of their nuke engineers. If they know that Russia has their back, they may, in fact, become bold, outrageous, and provocative.

They might become bold but sometimes I think we forget that our enemies have to check the same list we do before we consider a provocative move. What will our neighbors do? What will our enemy's allies do? How will this effect our ability to get energy, food, medicine? Iran must be running the pros and cons, and just like us they must realize that the loyalties of our allies only go so deep. How much is Russia willing to lose for Iran? That's the $64,000. question. If we can answer that, then we know just how far we can take our "attacks" against Iran.

RD

 

[Caplock50]

Well, here's an answer to ya'll's question...I lived throught the cuban missile crisis...and I say do to Iran what needs to be done. Russia going to nuke us over iran? Hey the islamics *want* to die; the russians *want* to live...so what do you think?

 

[Magdalen]

O.T., but this is important...are we losing friends and creating enemies?

Saudi, Chinese oil giants ink joint refinery deal
Jan 14 01:09 PM US/Eastern

A general view shows the Saudi Aramco oil facility in Dammam city, 450 kms ...

Saudi state oil giant Aramco inked a deal Saturday with China's Sinopec to build an oil refinery in the Red Sea city of Yanbu that will process 400,000 barrels per day, state news agency SPA said.

The project, named Yasref, aims to be operational in 2014, SPA reported.

In the Jim Rickards interview mentioned on another thread, Mr. Rickards says that the US has been "encouraging" Saudi Arabia to be prepared to meet China's oil needs once their Iranian sources dry up. According to him, this is being done to keep China's export capability, and as a result, our own and the world's economies, from nosediving for lack of oil reaching China.

magdalen

 

[Moggy]

+1000 great thinking Hfcomms.

Over the years, on many forums, I've seen keyboard cowboys advocate attacking one country or another.
I've asked a simple question. The question is, should we bomb Iran, knowing that Russia would retaliate against us? Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any posts on the question. Is there a reason for that?

My silence to your question is predicated on the fact that I just analyzed the progressed horoscopes of Syria and that of Iran. The former will be the next country on the demolition agenda of the west, and as I say in my essay (to be posted at my blog on Wednesday) beware the Ides of March. At the present time, Iran is not a threat to the USA, despite all the hoopla. Nevertheless, their friends and neighbors will be emasculated. And it doesn't matter that you do or do not believe in astrology, Doc, what will be is written in the stars. Just watch what happens in March.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

Well, here's an answer to ya'll's question...I lived throught the cuban missile crisis...and I say do to Iran what needs to be done. Russia going to nuke us over iran? Hey the islamics *want* to die; the russians *want* to live...so what do you think?

We have been knocking off Russia's client states for a number of years. They have drawn the line. Since this is an election year, Obama isn't going to risk the utter embarrassment of nuclear war. What would Michelle say?

Now the question is this? Could a third party draw us into war with Iran.....or could we experience an 'accident' in which all parties go coo coo, and let fly.

It ain't over yet, by a long shot.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

My silence to your question is predicated on the fact that I just analyzed the progressed horoscopes of Syria and that of Iran. The former will be the next country on the demolition agenda of the west, and as I say in my essay (to be posted at my blog on Wednesday) beware the Ides of March. At the present time, Iran is not a threat to the USA, despite all the hoopla. Nevertheless, their friends and neighbors will be emasculated. And it doesn't matter that you do or do not believe in astrology, Doc, what will be is written in the stars. Just watch what happens in March.

Actually, I'm an Aquarius. I've always marched to the beat of a different drummer, from grade school onward.

As for Syria being destroyed, that could definitely happen. Hopefully they won't release some of nasty biological weapons that they've been concocting over the years. When and if they go down, Syria like Israel could enact 'The Samson Option'....if we die...they die.

Could the Iranians destroy the Saudi oil terminal if an embargo cut off 40% of the world's oil? More than likely yes.

Plus, if China was unable to produce needed goods for export, I do believe that the western world, and especially the USA would have a difficult time economically. China and the U.S. are joined at the hip in more ways then one.

Time will tell, however. Scenarios are changing daily.

 

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Sincerely and Forever, your friend and Compadre,

The right(sometimes wrong) honorable Dr. Fungcool esq.

P.S. John DOES have a long mustache...but it ain't longer than mine, I guarantee it.

doc

Dear Doc---

I don't know Morse Code (and my Boy Scout hubby and sons don't know it well enough) to read this---could you please send me a PM with a translation (or post it)?

 

[Ben Sunday]

No backing down here. I appreciate John and Doc speaking up about this. The Soviets are not to be trusted under any circumstances.

BTW...the confusing diplo-speak of the original article is not an issue. No blame for anyone here. We take the best possible information and work with it. For now, that must be good enough.

 

[Amberglass]

JMO but I think we should pull every single cent of foreign aid to everyone, use the money to reinvest in our military and energy production. Suck it up for five years and go without whatever we can't manufacture here. We need to face the fact that we have bought zero loyalty and security by providing aid, so it stops now.

Then we tell countries like Saudi Arabia to eat their sand and drink their oil, we tell Japan, thanks but no thanks, we're buying American, and we tell China to shove it. If anyone looks sideways we give them a little pinch.

We tell the bad guys exactly what we will do if they cross a line. Iran makes a bomb? We take out every reactor. Syria starts sniffing around Israel, buh-bye. African pirate comes too close to one of our recreational yachts? Say good bye to your village.

I'm done with being the good guys while the rest of the world craps on us. Let's just live up to everyone else's expectations and we'll all be happy.

RD

^ this!

Also, PLEASE elect someone to lead your country with some backbone and stature. No one is afraid of the US right now. I shudder to think how the world will look in 4 more years if this continues.

We need someone like Bibi leading the US. That would scare the the bear back into it's den.

It's like......Dads asleep and the kids are running amuck. The kids are going to be totally out of control soon. Once the kids are out of control....... it's going to take a long time to quiet them down again.

 

[Shea Grey]

This;

“Iran is our neighbor,” Russia's outgoing ambassador to NATO, Dmitry Rogozin, told reporters in Brussels. “And if Iran is involved in any military action, it’s a direct threat to our security.”

Does not = this;

Russia: Attack on Tehran is an Attack on Moscow

A war with Iran being considered a threat to Russian security does not equal an attack on Iran IS an attack on Moscow.

One has to consider diplomatic speak here. If another country was to take a military action of some sort in the Caribbean we would take that as a threat to US security but it is a far cry from saying that it would be considered as a direct attack on the US. If the Russian ambassador meant that a US attack on Iran would be considered to be an attack on Moscow he would of said it.

you took the words right out of my mouth.....that kind of rhetoric drives me insane. i like arutz sheva, they play good music, i SORT of like Israel National News, but my brothers over there should cool it with that unhelpful rhetoric.

Russia's just playing it cards...i think what they REALLY want is a secret side deal,that we, the US DO NOT go ahead,with our missile defense program in Europe......fine, so we cut a secret side deal on that,with the warning if it leaks, we deny and the deal's off.....just like we did in the Cuban Missile Crisis.Russia could give a rats buttocks about Iran, in fact with Russia's huge oil exports, they wouldnt mind another 100 dollars tacked onto a barrel of oil, what they really want is no european missile defense AND they DO NOT like us in Georgia....no,not the US Georgia (lol) Georgia down in their south.But i'd say tough luck on that, behave and we'll deal with that later.

what Rogozin did was give an implicit warning, NOT a an EXPLICIT THREAT.....huge huge difference.

Now, China......THATS the worrisome global power, they NEED energy,and they have DEEP two way trade ties with Iran...so what card they going to play?....Taiwan?

 

[doctor_fungcool]

you took the words right out of my mouth.....that kind of rhetoric drives me insane. i like arutz sheva, they play good music, i SORT of like Israel National News, but my brothers over there should cool it with that unhelpful rhetoric.

Russia's just playing it cards...i think what they REALLY want is a secret side deal,that we, the US DO NOT go ahead,with our missile defense program in Europe......fine, so we cut a secret side deal on that,with the warning if it leaks, we deny and the deal's off.....just like we did in the Cuban Missile Crisis.Russia could give a rats buttocks about Iran, in fact with Russia's huge oil exports, they wouldnt mind another 100 dollars tacked onto a barrel of oil, what they really want is no european missile defense AND they DO NOT like us in Georgia....no,not the US Georgia (lol) Georgia down in their south.But i'd say tough luck on that, behave and we'll deal with that later.

what Rogozin did was give an implicit warning, NOT a an EXPLICIT THREAT.....huge huge difference.

Now, China......THATS the worrisome global power, they NEED energy,and they have DEEP two way trade ties with Iran...so what card they going to play?....Taiwan?

China and Taiwan are big trading partners. Any problems with Taiwan would hurt China and Taiwan economically. Neither country wishes that, imho.

 

[colonel holman]

A cold war worked on the big, strong, diverse USSR. A cold war would work even better (and currently is drawing plenty of treasure from them) against a smaller, weaker, less resilient Iran, with far fewer risks than directly striking them.

 

[doctor_fungcool]

No backing down here. I appreciate John and Doc speaking up about this. The Soviets are not to be trusted under any circumstances.

BTW...the confusing diplo-speak of the original article is not an issue. No blame for anyone here. We take the best possible information and work with it. For now, that must be good enough.

Absolutely spot on Ben. The Soviets are totally untrustworthy.

I'm worried about 'that third party' which would like to see the U.S. get embroiled in another war. This could happen easily.

 

[Countrymouse]

Good idea....if the membership makes up some of the questions.

This in from zerohedge.



Appeasement Arrives: Joint US-Israel Exercise Postponed For "Budget Reasons", US Will Not Enforce No Fly Zone Over Syria
on 01/15/2012 - 11:07 Iran Israel

First we had news that out of the blue, the Western embargo against Iranian oil exports would be delayed by 6 months, and now, in the aftermath of last night's developments out of Iran which blamed the CIA for the murder of its nuclear scientist we get this (from Bloomberg):

ISRAEL, U.S. POSTPONE MILITARY EXERCISE, ISRAEL RADIO SAYS
JOINT EXERCISE POSTPONED FOR BUDGET REASONS, RADIO SAYS
U.S.-ISRAELI EXERCISE PLANNED TO BE BIGGEST EVER, RADIO SAYS
EXERCISE WAS TO TAKE PLACE IN NEXT FEW MONTHS, RADIO SAYS

And just so it doesn't look like a total cave in:

ISRAEL SAYS JOINT U.S. MILITARY EXERCISE STILL UNDER DISCUSSION

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Saber rattling, and then backing down is worse than doing nothing...in my book. It makes us look weak.

As a reminder Iran made it very clear an escalation in joint US-Israel war game cooperation would be met with yet another miliary exercise out of Iran.

There's no doubt that some big powers are watching their back.

So.

Now we're waiting six months.

And--iirc---Iran's nuclear program is supposed to be at the point that they can create a viable nuclear bomb AND arm a missile with it---IN SIX MONTHS.

In what world does this make any sense?

We wait until the threat we fear is ACTUALLY IN FORCE and upon us, before we take action?

"I don't think I'll poke that tiger with this stick right now, while it's in the cage; first, I'm gonna leave the door ajar and let it get out, and THEN I'll poke it."

 

[Hfcomms]

The question is, should we bomb Iran, knowing that Russia would retaliate against us? Unfortunately, I'm not seeing any posts on the question. Is there a reason for that?

I've felt since last spring that we were going to start another big war under pretext and that it would be a last gasp measure to forestall a complete economic collapse until after the elections. And it sure seems like that is the path we're going down. I'm doubtful that with even another war we could put the collapse off much longer although I might be wrong about that. All the Russians and Chinese have to do is to wait us out and we'll be in the same situation that the USSR was in when they collapsed. They still had a mighty dangerous military with no way to keep funding it while their nation fell apart. At that point we'll be hard pressed to project any power outside of our own hemisphere.

I've read some of the Chinese military's white papers on a future conflict with the U.S. They do not see themselves taking us on directly in a head to head military conflict but they will wage war in non-conventional areas. A major target of them will be our very vulnerable computerized information infrastructure. Look what we and the Israeli's have supposedly done to the Iranian nuclear program with the Stuxnet and other worms. We are extremely vulnerable in these areas and it doesn't take a mighty army with guns and missiles to do it. Another way to wage conflict is through financial warfare. Look at what is being done to many of the members of the EU to get these nations to comply with the edicts of external powers which of course always lead back to the banking interests don't they? Very interesting days we are living in. Problem is nobody knows for sure how these things are going to pan out and we've seen enough warnings lately to be very concerned about whats coming.

 

[Shea Grey]

Thank you my friend. Tis unfortunate how most Americans (even members here and at TOL) are still in denial. Sad, very sad.

no denial my esteemed Doctor...no no no. Its the Chinese i worry about.They are very clever, the russians,ham-handed,obvious, greedy and stupid....you remember in "Godfather"?....and everybody thought it was the "tataglia" family?.....and the Godfather, said "no, tataglia is a pimp,its Barzini"....well,the Chinese, dependent on Iranian oil are "Barzini". humbly, Shea