CORONA Reports: 233 health workers in San Francisco get ‘breakthrough COVID’

Macgyver

Veteran Member
It's all the un vaxed fault, not.



Reports: 233 health workers in San Francisco get ‘breakthrough COVID’

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - MAY 16: A view of the Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center on May 16, 2018 in San Francisco, California. In the wake of widespread data breaches at Facebook, patients and nurses at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center are fearing for their privacy at the hospital. San Francisco General Hospital changed its name to Zuckerberg San
Francisco General in 2015 after Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan donated $75 million to the 147-year-old institution. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)SAN FRANCISCO, CA – MAY 16: A view of the Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center on May 16, 2018 in San Francisco, California. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 1:40 PM PT – Sunday, August 1, 2021
Hundreds of vaccinated people in San Francisco caught COVID-19 in a flurry of so-called breakthrough cases. Reports on Sunday found at least 233 staff members between two San Francisco hospitals tested positive for COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated.

This alleged outbreak has affected 80 percent of staff at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and 153 out of 183 employees at UCSF Medical Center. This comes as Joe Biden and administration officials have consistently blamed unvaccinated Americans for the alleged rise in COVID cases.

Meanwhile, reports said only two of the infected health workers required hospitalization.
 

jaw1969

Senior Member
It's all the un vaxed fault, not.



Reports: 233 health workers in San Francisco get ‘breakthrough COVID’

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - MAY 16: A view of the Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center on May 16, 2018 in San Francisco, California. In the wake of widespread data breaches at Facebook, patients and nurses at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center are fearing for their privacy at the hospital. San Francisco General Hospital changed its name to Zuckerberg San
Francisco General in 2015 after Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg and his wife Priscilla Chan donated $75 million to the 147-year-old institution. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)SAN FRANCISCO, CA – MAY 16: A view of the Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center on May 16, 2018 in San Francisco, California. (Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)

OAN Newsroom
UPDATED 1:40 PM PT – Sunday, August 1, 2021
Hundreds of vaccinated people in San Francisco caught COVID-19 in a flurry of so-called breakthrough cases. Reports on Sunday found at least 233 staff members between two San Francisco hospitals tested positive for COVID-19 after being fully vaccinated.

This alleged outbreak has affected 80 percent of staff at Zuckerberg San Francisco General Hospital and 153 out of 183 employees at UCSF Medical Center. This comes as Joe Biden and administration officials have consistently blamed unvaccinated Americans for the alleged rise in COVID cases.

Meanwhile, reports said only two of the infected health workers required hospitalization.
This is among vaccinated health care workers wearing simple masks. 2 out of 233 is 0.85 % require hospitalization that's bad so approximately 85000 out of 1 million will require hospitalization with the delta variant having an RO of 8 that's very bad news indeed . Hospitals in these areas could be overrun with new Vaccinated and unvaccinated covid patients within days..
One thing for sure with an RO of 8 will know very shortly if it's going to be bad or really really really bad.
 

jaw1969

Senior Member
What is the test being used to determine all these peeps have "Delta"?
There's no test that they have the Delta variant I'm just under the assumption that they do because they were all vaccinated and that's the variant that's showing the breakthrough cases
 

Wiley

ACME Bomb Tester
This is among vaccinated health care workers wearing simple masks. 2 out of 233 is 0.85 % require hospitalization that's bad so approximately 85000 out of 1 million will require hospitalization with the delta variant having an RO of 8 that's very bad news indeed . Hospitals in these areas could be overrun with new Vaccinated and unvaccinated covid patients within days..
One thing for sure with an RO of 8 will know very shortly if it's going to be bad or really really really bad.
What's a "RO"?
 

naegling62

Veteran Member
What's a "RO"?
R naught:



Disease Transmission R0 HIT[a]
Measles
Aerosol 12–18[1][2] 92–94%

Chickenpox (varicella)
Aerosol 10–12[3] 90–92%

Mumps
Respiratory droplets 10–12[4] 90–92%

COVID-19(Delta variant)
Respiratory droplets and aerosol 5–9.5[5] 80–89%

Rubella
Respiratory droplets 6–7 83–86%

Polio
Fecal–oral route 5–7 80–86%

Pertussis
Respiratory droplets 5.5[10] 82%

Smallpox
Respiratory droplets 3.5–6.0[11] 71–83%

COVID-19(Alpha variant)
Respiratory droplets and aerosol 4–5[12] 75–80%

COVID-19(Gamma variant)

Respiratory droplets and aerosol 3.95 (3.3-4.6)[13] 75–80%

HIV/AIDS
Body fluids 2–5[14] 50–80%

COVID-19(ancestral strain)
Respiratory droplets and aerosol[15] 2.9 (2.4–3.4)[16] 65% (58–70%)

SARS
Respiratory droplets 2–4[17] 50–75%

Diphtheria Saliva 2.6 (1.7–4.3)[18] 62% (41–77%)

Common cold
Respiratory droplets 2–3[19] 50–67%

Ebola(2014 Ebola outbreak)
Body fluids 1.8 (1.4–1.8)[20] 44% (31–44%)

Influenza(2009 pandemic strain) Respiratory droplets 1.6 (1.3–2.0)[21] 37% (25–51%)

Influenza(seasonal strains)
Respiratory droplets 1.3 (1.2–1.4)[22] 23% (17–29%)

Andes hantavirus
Respiratory droplets and body fluids 1.19 (0.82–1.56)[23] 13% (0–35%)

Nipah virus
Body fluids 0.48[24] 0%[c]

MERS
Respiratory droplets 0.47 (0.29–0.80)[25] 0%[c]
 
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Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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This is among vaccinated health care workers wearing simple masks. 2 out of 233 is 0.85 % require hospitalization that's bad so approximately 85000 out of 1 million will require hospitalization with the delta variant having an RO of 8 that's very bad news indeed . Hospitals in these areas could be overrun with new Vaccinated and unvaccinated covid patients within days..
One thing for sure with an RO of 8 will know very shortly if it's going to be bad or really really really bad.
Your math is off by a few decimal points.

2 / 233 = .00858369 .00858369 X 1,000,000 = 8,584 hospitalizations.

You would have only 8,584 hospitalizations out of 1 million infected, if the percentage holds up.
 

Mark D

Now running for Emperor.
This is among vaccinated health care workers wearing simple masks. 2 out of 233 is 0.85 % require hospitalization that's bad so approximately 85000 out of 1 million will require hospitalization with the delta variant having an RO of 8 that's very bad news indeed . Hospitals in these areas could be overrun with new Vaccinated and unvaccinated covid patients within days..
One thing for sure with an RO of 8 will know very shortly if it's going to be bad or really really really bad.
Delta blew through our town in June. Hardly anyone wears a mask. The hospital was never overwhelmed. Now we have Herd Immunity.
 
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jaw1969

Senior Member
Your math is off by a few decimal points.

2 / 233 = .00858369 .00858369 X 1,000,000 = 8,584 hospitalizations.

You would have only 8,584 hospitalizations out of 1 million infected, if the percentage holds up.
You are correct and I'm glad your correct That is a manageable number no excuses except math is hard
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Is that why the CDC announced they will cease to use it?
They are not ceasing to use it. Early diagnostic testing was a single methodology PCR test that was used under Emergency use authorization. Since those early days multiple manufacturers have gone through full approval process and are now available for use. The cdc simply notified labs that they will not renew EUA for that test protocol after Dec 31st and that labs should transfer testing to one of the fully validated manufacturers. Another false narrative that goes along with this story is that it "was recalled because it couldn't tell the difference between influenza and covid". That too is wrong in that the cdc recommended that when selecting the new manufacturer that labs select a test that can test for both influenza AND covid simultaneously as both of those would normally be tested as part of our differential diagnosis and would not require separate swabs to evaluate.
 

undead

Veteran Member
basically, we are better off just getting this strain if we've been vaccinated and don't have 'comorbidities' - I view it as a booster and additional immunity for any other 'variant' that comes along
 

psychgirl

Veteran Member
They are not ceasing to use it. Early diagnostic testing was a single methodology PCR test that was used under Emergency use authorization. Since those early days multiple manufacturers have gone through full approval process and are now available for use. The cdc simply notified labs that they will not renew EUA for that test protocol after Dec 31st and that labs should transfer testing to one of the fully validated manufacturers. Another false narrative that goes along with this story is that it "was recalled because it couldn't tell the difference between influenza and covid". That too is wrong in that the cdc recommended that when selecting the new manufacturer that labs select a test that can test for both influenza AND covid simultaneously as both of those would normally be tested as part of our differential diagnosis and would not require separate swabs to evaluate.
Thanks for clarifying.
I sent the original cdc article to someone who immediately asked “where, does it say, the PCR tests were bad and couldn’t tell from ordinary flu strains ?”.....
I had to re read it myself.
 

ChicagoMan74

Will code for food
They are not ceasing to use it. Early diagnostic testing was a single methodology PCR test that was used under Emergency use authorization. Since those early days multiple manufacturers have gone through full approval process and are now available for use. The cdc simply notified labs that they will not renew EUA for that test protocol after Dec 31st and that labs should transfer testing to one of the fully validated manufacturers. Another false narrative that goes along with this story is that it "was recalled because it couldn't tell the difference between influenza and covid". That too is wrong in that the cdc recommended that when selecting the new manufacturer that labs select a test that can test for both influenza AND covid simultaneously as both of those would normally be tested as part of our differential diagnosis and would not require separate swabs to evaluate.
Now now...don't go ruining the mind lock with facts.
 

blindhog

Flats Captain
They are not ceasing to use it. Early diagnostic testing was a single methodology PCR test that was used under Emergency use authorization. Since those early days multiple manufacturers have gone through full approval process and are now available for use. The cdc simply notified labs that they will not renew EUA for that test protocol after Dec 31st and that labs should transfer testing to one of the fully validated manufacturers. Another false narrative that goes along with this story is that it "was recalled because it couldn't tell the difference between influenza and covid". That too is wrong in that the cdc recommended that when selecting the new manufacturer that labs select a test that can test for both influenza AND covid simultaneously as both of those would normally be tested as part of our differential diagnosis and would not require separate swabs to evaluate.
So the early test could NOT tell between Covid and the Flu?
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
So the early test could NOT tell between Covid and the Flu?
It was never intended to. We already have a myriad of rapid influenza tests available to use to test for that and with any upper respiratory complaint you would get both.
 

greysage

Veteran Member
We're people even tested for the flu in the past? I can't recall ever being tested. Doc said, 'You've got the flu. Drink fluids and rest.'
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
We're people even tested for the flu in the past? I can't recall ever being tested. Doc said, 'You've got the flu. Drink fluids and rest.'
Before covid yes/no. Influenza had a relatively predictable presentation. If you were in the first 48-72 hrs of symptoms you would be more likely to be tested to get tamiflu. After that window it was supportive therapy only anyway, so not as important to know.

Today you would get tested, as much to rule out covid as to rule in influenza. I have seen a couple of cases of coinfection where a person had both covid and flu.
 

Chapulin

Veteran Member
Take your political tin foil off and see if this makes any sense. The lack of hospitalizations with breakthroughs is the protection from being hospitalized we get from the vaccine. The CDC has decided to quit counting breakthroughs which is a certain way to not find many. Delta is causing many more cases of Covid infections in both vaccinated and unvaccinated people than we expected. Given the payload of the typical Delta infection we need to go back to indoor masks and distancing for both vaccinated and unvaccinated people. The vaccine is keeping people out of hospital beds but it hasn't blocked the ability a vaccinated person to infect someone else with Delta.
 
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aznurse

Contributing Member
Really need to read the science regarding efficacy of masks. Essentially, anything less than n95/n100 is of no value. Virus is aerosol and due to its size, passes between mask fibers. Studies from around the world show lockdowns worsen the spread.
 
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