Remember Nando Parrado? The book/movie "Alive": Andes plane crash survivors,72 days..

lynnie

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Did anybody read Piers Paul Read's book "Alive", or see the movie? In 1972 a small plane with 46 people crashed in the Andes Mountains between Chile and Argentina. The 16 who survived both the crash and a later avalance ate the bodies of the dead. Nando's sister died after 10 days in his arms. Eventually Nando and his friend Roberto Canessa hiked out 10 days through unbelievably treacherous terrain, and after 72 days the group was rescued. It is an incredible book, I've read it several times.

Nando finally wrote his own book, "Miracle in the Andes". It is not anywhere so complete as "Alive", but it is his own tale of the gripping emotional struggle he faced to survive and then to hike out in the face of certain death. ( and it is great to read the epilogue of how everybody is doing after 30+ years. Nando has a beautiful wife and two daughters).

Anyway, the ending is so moving, and I labeled this PREP because of what he said.

They did not survive because of leadership, innovation, creative problem solving, or teamwork, although of course all those things were an integral part of his experience. It was not cleverness or courage or competence or savvy that saved them.

It was love- for each other, for their familes left behind, for the lives they wanted to live. It was love that saved them.

I've been thinking a lot about this. I have two sisters, one who preps to the max on very limited money, and one who is rich and clueless. The one who preps loves people and loves her familyand neighbors. The rich one, well, sometimes you wonder if she loves anybody. Markus and I just visited a doomer-prepper who is a blessing for being on the same wavelength, but undergirding all his prepping he loves people and ministers God's love for us.

I've always thought of trying to get people to prep as related to warning of impending crisis, whether a nuclear jihad on CONUS, natural disaster, dollar and banking collapse, etc.

I've been wondering this week how much of the problem with DGIs is just plain lack of love. I wonder if talking about loving our children or friends is really the only way to talk about prepping, and if love really is the only thing, in the end, that will get us all through what is coming. Life with wheat and beans and no love won't be worth living.
 

Deena in GA

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You've hit the bullseye, Lynnie! At least for some, if not all. I truly think some people just don't have a clue and never will have until IT (whatever IT is) happens to THEM.
 

tuckelise

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As a reader who personally knows both your sisters, your synopsis of the "rich and clueless" sister is inaccurate. As far as your first point, prepping: I know she has had (since the mid eighties at least) MANY boxes of wheat, rice, powdered milk, etc. etc. stored away. She has a handpump, and a generator. If that is not prepping, I'm not sure what you are referring to. Secondly, as to the love, I think if you asked her husband, kids, neighbors, employees, etc. they would give quite a different picture than the one you paint. You seem to be simply misinformed.
 

Annie

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previously posted on another thread by tuckelise


"Secondly, I know I am out of line with probably everyone who's ever posted here, but I just don't see the urgency in stockpiling. Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest surrounded by corn and soybean fields, or maybe I just don't have that doomer mentality (yet-- haha)"

Is this who I think it is? :) If so, woof woof to Tucker and you know you don't want to be eating that genetically engineered corn and soybeans. :p

Annie, off to order more food insurance.
 

lynnie

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Hi, is that you SEHB? There is a PM function here and you can send private messages; click the "user CP" thingey on that orange strip above, to the left if you would like.

"I'm not sure what you are referring to"

I am referring to the comments made to Grammy about how paranoid Annie has become since she started reading Tb2k, and how paranoid she is to stock food, and her totally clueless reactions about why Annie stockpiles stuff in recent (say the past year or two) discussions. If Sister#3 has changed and now feels that in light of the many threats out there related to shipping, banking, the seed supply, bird flu quarantine, and so forth that annie is wise and prudent, I am VERY HAPPY to hear that. I do think an apology to annie would be in order, don't you? And telling grammy and her husband and kids that she no longer thinks annie is paranoid would be right, don't you think?


You posted this while back.....do you still feel the same way...

"Secondly, I know I am out of line with probably everyone who's ever posted here, but I just don't see the urgency in stockpiling. Maybe it's because I'm in the midwest surrounded by corn and soybean fields, or maybe I just don't have that doomer mentality (yet-- haha). I know everyone keeps talking about Iran and NK and all that stuff, and even though the capabilities are there for a world annihalation, I just don't see it happening. There isn't (IMO) a convincing rationale for that happening. I think that especially in Europe, diplomacy is valued enough that countries would not go out on a limb and risk the world ostracizing them. (That may or may not apply to rogues like Iran and NK. However, no matter how idiotic, evil and narcissistic their leaders are, they are not stupid.)"

If you are SEHB I think you are a darling sweet girl, and we must never tell anybody to do anything not in scripture. I cannot tell anybody to stockpile, and indeed, we might have to leave our stuff and never come back if a big chemical factory like Rohm and Haas blows around here ( huge, and it stinks incredibly when you go over the bridge, and I'm right where the wind blows from it, and the chemical guy PhD in Burlington at the dump said they break all kinds of EPA regs over there, so it might destroy my home :bwl: ). But I only say that to say we might never agree on this subject of prepping.

you said...."However, no matter how idiotic, evil and narcissistic their leaders are, they are not stupid.)"

I don't think you understand demon possession, especially as it relates to jihad.


Feel free to PM me. You must have done a search under my name to pull this up, or gone looking for threads by me. I'd be happy to speak privately.
 

tuckelise

Member
Um.... hi to both of you. I am not sure of most of what you are referring to... I used to visit friends in PA and have since left... I am not Tucker, and I am not sure ???... anyway... Was the "woof woof" intended to scare me off? If so, fine, I am gone. :) I'm a bit confused... and no, I wasn't doing any speacial searching, just reading around the forums as usual, and thought I'd offer my two cents. But whatever. I don't really care. I'm not interested in PMing (whatever that is) anybody or really getting involved here. I'll see ya around...
 

Annie

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lynnie said:
about how paranoid Annie has become .

Paranoid? Me? :) Yes, I have been accused of that. Noah was as well, but my paranoia goes way back before TB and y2k, back to when it was called 'common sense'. You know, I'm a throwback to all of our New England ancestry, Lynnie, back to the Abenakis. They dried their beans, braided their onions, stored their squash... the bean and grain thing of the 60's and 70's was nothing new and nothing more than what every pioneer to Oregon had to understand. Seedtime and harvest. I sit here in my high tech world living the simple life and enjoy the best of both. But when the lights go out, I'll be a little prepared.

tuckelise, some people will always be able to buy their way out of hard times. I'm not in that position, and some of my friends and family are pretty broke, so I prep for all of us. Keep reading here at TB. You need to understand how fragile our global agricultural infrastructure has become.

But back to the subject of the thread... Lynnie will always help her clueless neighbors, as will I. God gives some people a feast on this earth, and others maybe a few loaves and fishes. I am responsible to do the best with what he has given me, as unto Him. I am glad to hear that this 'person' in question has stored food since the 80's and hope she will love and help her family members when they show up at her door.
 

lynnie

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I'm a bit confused too.....you've allegedly known my sisters for many years, posted on another thread about knowing many female cops, and yet you don't know that tucker is the dog who belonged to SEHB and now she is married to a cop and lives in the midwest where you live? So you have no idea who SEHB is??

Well, be assured that if you show up at my door I'll share the last bowl of cream of wheat with you. God bless.

(Looks like annie won't be getting any apologies for those cracks about stockpiling paranoia :lol:)
 

deja

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thanks for the post Lynnie.

I remember this from when it all happened. Also read "Alive" right when it came out.

The 16 who survived both the crash and a later avalance ate the bodies of the dead.

THIS is where a whole lot of folks are going to be drawing their invisible LINE......won't do it.........believe it is WRONG.......and they will die most probably.....for/because of their beliefs.
 

tuckelise

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I am thinking that maybe the SEHB you refer to is my sister in law? Though her initials are SRHB... and they don't have a dog. And I do know a few female cops... but the midwest is huge. Think you got the wrong gal .:)
 

lynnie

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deja...I hope I never have to face the choice. If I knew somebody healthy died from an accident or was shot, could I eat them as meat? I have no moral problem with it, but I can't picture it. Then again, I've never gone more than two days w/o food.

tuck, I am happy to know you are not my dear niece Sarah whose old dog was tucker. thanks for replying, I was about to call her. I suppose she forwarded something from me here, and my name drew your attention such that you replied to me on your few other posts here. Her birth middle name was ellen...perhaps you don't really even know my two sisters and it is a mixup?

In light of the grievous times that face us all, I can only pray that we are all ready for it, in every respect.
 

hitssquad

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Nando Parrado (Andes plane-crash survivor) audio interview

lynnie said:
Remember Nando Parrado? The book/movie "Alive": Andes plane crash survivors, 72 days.
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46 people crashed in the Andes Mountains between Chile and Argentina. The 16 who survived both the crash and a later avalance ate the bodies of the dead. Nando's sister died after 10 days in his arms. Eventually Nando and his friend Roberto Canessa hiked out 10 days through unbelievably treacherous terrain, and after 72 days the group was rescued. It is an incredible book, I've read it several times.

Nando finally wrote his own book, "Miracle in the Andes". It is not anywhere so complete as "Alive", but it is his own tale of the gripping emotional struggle he faced to survive and then to hike out in the face of certain death.
Ogrish posted an exlusive audio-interview with Nando Parrado two weeks ago. Here it is:
ogrish.com/archives/ogrish_podcast_May_15_2006.html

Direct link to the mp3:
http://www.ogrish.com/podcast/ogrishpodcast07.mp3

(To hear the Nando Parrado interview, skip ahead to 4:50, past the Podcast's first section which is called "We Are All Robots.")
 
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