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⚡️JUST IN - IRAN CARRIED OUT IMPLOSION TESTS FOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT"

The recent special IAEA report on Iranian nuclear violations added many new dimensions, including that Iran carried out multiple implosion tests, a key military skill toward developing nuclear weapons.

Implosion tests do not have civilian nuclear uses.

I am convinced that it is merely a question of time until Israel and the United States launch an attack on Iran's nuclear installations.

Source: Jerusalem Post
 

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Israel's defense minister directs the IDF not to allow Greta Thunberg's flotilla to reach the shores of Gaza and to take any measures necessary to ensure that — JPost
 

jward

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I think- and don't quote me on this- that the last thing I read was they might impound ship and take the bunch of em under arrest or some such- but that they definitely do NOT want to down the ship, as further making a martyr of the gal/issue serves no good purpose...
 

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I think- and don't quote me on this- that the last thing I read was they might impound ship and take the bunch of em under arrest or some such- but that they definitely do NOT want to down the ship, as further making a martyr of the gal/issue serves no good purpose...
And if she is martyred by the group she is trying to help?
 

SouthernBreeze

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We are talking about liberal European folks some say are unintelligent... My concern is that the flotilla will not follow direction or such warning shots. Or I suspect that Israel may frame HAMAS on an attack sinking the whole flotilla with RPGs. The European reaction of HAMAS destroys the flotilla?

I don't think the ship will be sunk. I agree with what jward said above.
 

jward

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I think- and don't quote me on this- that the last thing I read was they might impound ship and take the bunch of em under arrest or some such- but that they definitely do NOT want to down the ship, as further making a martyr of the gal/issue serves no good purpose...
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The “Freedom Flotilla” containing Greta Thunberg, as well as several humanitarian activists and left-wing diplomats from Europe is beginning to approach their destination of the Gaza Strip, with them expected to be stopped in the coming hours by the Israeli Navy, who has vowed to tow the flotilla to shore and arrest all of those onboard, specifically Greta.
View: https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1931782196400128453
 

SouthernBreeze

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I would tend to as well. However, we are dealing with idiots and aggresive individuals so throw out any assumptions or preconceptions out of the window. I doubt anything would be sunk but I would not discount the possibility...

The Israeli navy is towing the ship to shore and arresting everyone on board per a post jward made in another thread. They're especially going after Greta. I hope they put her in jail.
 

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Housecarl

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⚡️JUST IN - IRAN CARRIED OUT IMPLOSION TESTS FOR NUCLEAR WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT"

The recent special IAEA report on Iranian nuclear violations added many new dimensions, including that Iran carried out multiple implosion tests, a key military skill toward developing nuclear weapons.

Implosion tests do not have civilian nuclear uses.

I am convinced that it is merely a question of time until Israel and the United States launch an attack on Iran's nuclear installations.

Source: Jerusalem Post

There were a lot of reports of Iranian "observers" being present at multiple North Korean tests, both nuclear and missile.

Theories were about that Tehran had "bought a share" in the North Korean weapons program. As to Pyongyang supplying fissile material to Tehran, considering how bad Kim wanted to get as many weapons as possible as quickly as possible, they might have made available the devices that the fissile pit goes into but not the pits themselves.

Implosion testing IIRC were reported by Israeli Intel a couple of years ago....
 

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Why Iran Will Never Give Up Its Nuclear Weapons​

by Amin Sharifi
June 8, 2025 at 5:00 am


  • Iran's ruling elite, bluntly, believes that both its survival and its mission depend on acquiring nuclear weapons. They saw what happened to Libya and Ukraine when their leaders gave up their nuclear weapons, and understood that this was not the way to go.
  • The regime's goal is the bomb.
  • Iran's Supreme Leader is not just a political figure, but is considered divine, with a legitimacy given not by man but by Allah.
  • "And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged." — Qur'an 8:60 (Sahih International Translation).
  • This verse is used by the IRGC not just as a call for defense, but as a religious endorsement of nuclear armament. In this view, nuclear weapons are not only permitted, but also necessary. They are both a shield against the regime's many enemies and a divine tool for the end-times struggle they believe is coming.
  • Iran's leadership sees deception not as dishonorable, but as strategic. The Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, or religiously sanctioned deception, allows lying to infidels in the name of survival or victory.
  • The regime's lack of response to Soleimani's killing revealed something essential: the mullahs understand only strength.
  • Iran's nuclear program must be completely and permanently dismantled. Even if ideology were not part of the equation, Iran's corruption, mismanagement and incompetence would still make it unfit to operate any nuclear facility. Senior officials are appointed through favoritism, cronyism or family ties. Industry is collapsing. Accountability is nonexistent.
  • The day we wake up to hear that Iran is about to use its nuclear bomb will be the day the world changes forever.
Iran's ruling elite, bluntly, believes that both its survival and its mission depend on acquiring nuclear weapons. They saw what happened to Libya and Ukraine when their leaders gave up their nuclear weapons, and understood that this was not the way to go. To Iran's rulers, their nuclear program is not just a policy objective to protect the continuation of their regime, but the centerpiece of Iran's ideology and propaganda.

Despite having some of the world's richest oil and gas reserves, the regime has accepted crushing sanctions and economic ruin, all under the excuse of pursuing nuclear power. The regime's goal is the bomb.

Many different groups were involved in the 1979 revolution that overthrew the monarchy of Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, but Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini quickly eliminated his rivals and imposed an Islamist system unlike anything else in modern history: Velayat-e-Faqih, or "the rule of the Islamic jurist." In this vision, drawn from a radical interpretation of Twelver Shiism, political power belongs not to the people, but to Allah, and through Him to the clerical class acting as representatives of the Twelfth Iman, known as the "Hidden Imam." This belief forms the foundation of the Supreme Leader's authority. Iran's Supreme Leader is not just a political figure, but is considered divine, with a legitimacy given not by man but by Allah.

In Iran, the Supreme Leader is the only absolute ruler. He appoints the judiciary, controls the military, dictates foreign policy, and approves or rejects all applicants for election candidacy. Elections exist, but are meaningless ceremonies. Presidents and parliaments do not govern, they obey. What is absent from the Islamic Republic of Iran is a "republic."

The West still fails to grasp this regime's worldview. It is not just authoritarian, it is theological. It sees the world in binary terms: believers and infidels, Shiites and non-Shiites. It also believes that history is heading toward a final confrontation, in which Iran will be prepared militarily and spiritually to lead. That is why the Iranian nuclear program is not negotiable. It is holy, sacred.

Iran's private militia, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), embodies the most radical interpretation of the Quran. For example, Surah al-Anfal, verse 8:60, which commands Muslims:

"And prepare against them whatever you are able of power and of steeds of war by which you may terrify the enemy of Allah and your enemy and others besides them whom you do not know [but] whom Allah knows. And whatever you spend in the cause of Allah will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged." (Sahih International Translation)
This verse is used by the IRGC not just as a call for defense, but as a religious endorsement of nuclear armament. In this view, nuclear weapons are not only permitted, but also necessary. They are both a shield against the regime's many enemies and a divine tool for the end-times struggle they believe is coming.

Iran's leadership sees deception not as dishonorable, but as strategic. The Islamic doctrine of taqiyya, or religiously sanctioned deception, allows lying to infidels in the name of survival or victory. Combine this with their reading of Islamic sources such as the Islamic Prophet Mohammed's saying that "war is deceit", therefore, any agreement, verbal or written, is ultimately meaningless to a regime that views deception as doctrine.

Western diplomats still behave as if they're dealing with a conventional authoritarian state. They're not. They're dealing with an absolutist religious movement that uses treaties as cover and smiles as strategy. The Obama Administration's 2015 Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) agreement with Iran never involved real concessions from the Islamic Republic. It was an Iranian delay tactic, a calibrated pause to outlast and outmaneuver naive Western governments.

The silence of then US President Barack Obama during Iran's 2009 Green Movement protests betrayed millions of Iranians fighting for freedom. Instead of supporting the people, he chose to preserve nuclear negotiations, a decision that allowed the regime to survive and rebuild.

By contrast, President Donald J. Trump's withdrawal from the JCPOA in 2018 and his killing of IRGC Quds Force commander Lieutenant General Qassem Soleimani represented a break from this pattern of appeasement. The regime's lack of response to Soleimani's killing revealed something essential: the mullahs understand only strength.

The Biden administration revived the failed engagement policies, and Iran became bolder than ever. From backing Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the Hamas invasion of Israel on October 7, 2023, to direct launching ballistic missiles and drones at Israel in 2024, the Iranian regime acted without fear. If these events did not convince the West of the consequences of compromise with Tehran, what will?

When Iran released a video simulating the assassination of Trump, it clearly never expected him to return to power. But now, Iran's goal is simple: survive the next four years by dragging out talks and buying time to acquire nuclear bombs and rebuild the air defenses that Israel destroyed.

While the West was playing this game of hide-and-seek bogus diplomacy, Iran managed to deploy more advanced centrifuges, enrich uranium to higher levels (weapons-grade), build and expand deeper underground facilities, and find more sophisticated ways to conceal its nuclear progress.

Here is the bitter truth: A new deal with Iran might look like a solution. In reality, a deal will only give Iran more time and more cover to evade whatever it agrees to. The regime will invent distractions to advance its program underground. Another war. Another proxy. Another crisis.

Iran's nuclear program must be completely and permanently dismantled. Even if ideology were not part of the equation, Iran's corruption, mismanagement and incompetence would still make it unfit to operate any nuclear facility. Senior officials are appointed through favoritism, cronyism or family ties. Industry is collapsing. Accountability is nonexistent.

Nobody wants to see a Chernobyl-like nuclear disaster caused by Iranian incompetence or something even worse, caused by ideological intent.

Iran's regime cannot be reformed. Most especially, it cannot be trusted. It will never voluntarily give up its nuclear ambitions. Those ambitions are not just political. They are theological.

The day we wake up to hear that Iran is about to use its nuclear bomb will be the day the world changes forever.

Amin Sharifi is an expert in international relations and the Middle East. He is presently based in Sweden.
 

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Activist Yasemin Acar:

"We are safe. The interception hasn't taken place. Four vessels surrounded us. Two vessels came within 200 meters — closer than ever in the past 8 days. This is why we sounded the alarm. Many lights around us and two vessels I'm looking at right now."
 

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BREAKING: Israeli drones sprayed white chemical substance on activists aboard the Madleen ship.
 

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The Israeli Navy has reportedly intercepted the “Freedom Flotilla” containing Greta Thunberg and other humanitarian activists, which was heading towards the Gaza Strip, with footage from those part of the flotilla showing alarms sounding aboard the Madleen.
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Israeli Defense Minister Yisrael Katz reportedly instructed the IDF to show Greta Thunberg and fellow activists footage of October 7th and the atrocities that took place.

"It's appropriate that the anti-Semitic Greta and her Hamas-supporting group see the atrocities committed by Hamas against women, the elderly, and children-and understand who Israel is defending itself against," said Katz.
 

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Preparations for an Israeli strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities are said to be nearing completion, with the final steps, including the transfer of munitions and operational planning, currently ongoing, according to Channel 12.
 

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#BREAKING The secretariat of Iran's Supreme National Security Council will issue "an important statement" in coming hours, Iranian state-run media reported Monday.
 

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Trump speaks out after phone call with Netanyahu.

"Iran refuses to give up uranium enrichment. They want to continue enriching, but that’s not acceptable. We want the exact opposite.

The failure of these negotiations could lead to very dangerous consequences"
 

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US missile defense systems are also being prepared in Israel, in preparation for an Iranian strike
 

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Iran, US Say Nuclear Talks To Continue But Give Different Dates For Next Round​

June 10, 2025 01:48 CET
Iran and the United States on June 9 indicated that talks on Iran’s nuclear program will continue but the two side gave different dates for the next round of negotiations.

Iran said the next round of talks is planned for June 15 in Muscat, while US President Donald Trump said the next round would take place on June 12.

Trump said talks would continue despite the two sides being at odds over whether Iran would be allowed to continue enriching uranium.

"They're just asking for things that you can't do. They don't want to give up what they have to give up," Trump told reporters. "They seek enrichment. We can't have enrichment."

Following Trump's remarks, Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmaeil Baghaei said "based on recent consultations, the next round of Iran-US indirect negotiations is being planned for next Sunday in Muscat," according to the ministry's Telegram channel.

The talks have been led by US special envoy Steve Witkoff and Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi and mediated by Oman.

Trump said Washington's effort is "to make a deal so that there's no destruction and death."

Trump spoke to reporters at the White House after what he described as a positive call with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Israel has threatened to strike the nuclear sites of Iran, but Trump has said he has held him back.

Trump said Iran was the main topic of his call with Netanyahu, whose office said the president had told him talks with Iran would continue at the end of the week.

Baghaei said earlier that a US proposal put forth late last month was “not acceptable” to Iran, which said on June 9 it will soon hand a counterproposal for a nuclear deal to the United States in response to a US offer.

Baghaei the new proposal will be “reasonable, logical, and balanced."

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Iran Prepares Counterproposal Amid Nuclear Enrichment Standoff With US​


Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei last week dismissed the US proposal as against Iran's interests, pledging to continue enrichment on Iranian soil, which Western powers view as a potential pathway to building nuclear weapons. Iran says its nuclear program is only for peaceful purposes.

Trump unilaterally pulled the United States out of a 2015 nuclear pact between Iran and six world powers and reimposed sanctions that have crippled Iran's economy. Iran responded by escalating enrichment far beyond the limits set by the nuclear pact.

Iran currently enriches uranium to 60 percent, which is far above the 3.67-percent limit set in the 2015 deal but short of the 90 percent needed for a nuclear warhead.

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Iran Vows Repercussions As West Seeks Rare IAEA Rebuke Over Noncompliance​


The United Nations nuclear watchdog on June 9 began a board of governors meeting in Vienna that will last until June 13. The meeting is expected to discuss Iran's nuclear activities among other topics.

"I call upon Iran urgently to cooperate fully and effectively with the International Atomic Energy Agency," said IAEA chief Rafael Grossi in his opening speech.

"Unless and until Iran assists the agency in resolving the outstanding safeguards issues, the agency will not be in a position to provide assurance that Iran's nuclear program is exclusively peaceful," he added.

Grossi said Iran has repeatedly either not answered or not provided technically credible answers to the IAEA’s questions. It has also sought to sanitize nuclear locations, which has impeded IAEA’s verification activities, Grossi said in his speech.

The board of governors meeting is expected to hear and vote on a resolution finding Tehran in noncompliance with its safeguards for the first time in 20 years.

Iran has vowed to take strong action against Western nations pushing the resolution at the gathering in the Austrian capital. Behrouz Kamalvandi of Iran's atomic energy agency said the IAEA shouldn't expect Iran to continue its “broad and friendly cooperation" if the measure is approved.

Grossi said he believes the only way forward is through a diplomatic solution.

With reporting by Reuters and AFP​

 

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This isn’t an ordinary meeting.

Top Israeli officials, including ministers Katz, Smotrich, Ben Gvir, Dermer, and heads of the IDF, Mossad, and Shin Bet, will join tonight’s security meeting after Netanyahu’s and Trumps call discussing Iran.


View: https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1932084802439561221
Wonder if "the expected call between Trump and Netanyahu" has yet taken place--and what was said.
 
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