GUNS/RLTD Question About Binary Triggers

[Elza]

I found the following in stock for $389:
Franklin Armory BFSIII AR-C1
Anyone know about these? Good, bad, whatever?

They said it will work in all AR platforms. Does the same trigger fit both AR15 and AR10? I possess a pretty fair knowledge of AR15's but my AR10 knowledge is lacking by comparison.

Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Dennis Olson]

I own two.

The Franklin is the best on the market today.

It will fit both AR platforms

 

[Elza]

Thank you Sir! Much appreciated.

 

[John Wall]

Looking at the much longer stroke of the AR-10 bolt, I would think one could easily outrun it and have the hammer follow the bolt and cause a stoppage. One would have to cycle the trigger more slowly to assure proper functioning. Also, the recoil and muzzle flip of the '10 is much more pronounced than the '15 platform. A slower rate-of-fire would be an advantage in a firearm of considerable recoil and muzzle flip.

 

[Lone_Hawk]

We have, grudgingly, installed other binary triggers than Franklin, but Franklin is the only one we will stock in the store. The others have too many issues. You want to have a Franklin installed by someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[1911user]

What is the quality of the trigger pull with a Franklin binary trigger?

 

[Matt]

What is the quality of the trigger pull with a Franklin binary trigger?

I have shot one a few times back when wolf ammo was cheap and plentiful. The trigger seemed a little lighter than a stock mil spec trigger. I hated the shot on the trigger release...goes against years of ingrained training. It would take a lot of range time to get used to it, let alone good with it for me.

I have a Wilson combat trigger in my ar and it is pretty fast, smooth, and light. I like it much better.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Trigger pull is about 4 lbs. No creep.

 

[IJT]

I tried one on a friend's AR 10, I couldn't get used to fire on release, no matter how many rounds down range I sent, over 100, it always took me by surprise when it fired on the release, I guess if I had spent more time with it I would get used to it. If I was fighting against a human wave I might consider one.

 

[Dennis Olson]

It is a little disconcerting at first. The more rapidly you move your trigger finger, the easier it is to cope with.

NOTE: Anyone who wants one had better get it before January 20th. It’ll be one of the first things to go.

 

[auxman]

I should have read the GUNS/RLTD tag first. I initially thought this was a thread discussing something out of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5).

 

[Henry Bowman]

I should have read the GUNS/RLTD tag first. I initially thought this was a thread discussing something out of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5).

That would be the thread about Joe Biden

 

[jimmertoons]

I have the Fostech Echo in a franken-AR. One of the early knocks on other brands with the ability to overrun the trigger. I have tried to produce that, and have been unable to do so.
There is a bit of a learning curve, in that with the Fostech, you need to use the full travel of the trigger to reset, not just release when the trigger breaks. When I got used to it, I can basically double tap before the muzzle rise hits.

 

[Elza]

It is a little disconcerting at first. The more rapidly you move your trigger finger, the easier it is to cope with.

NOTE: Anyone who wants one had better get it before January 20th. It’ll be one of the first things to go.

Agreed. Ordered and on it's way.

 

[naegling62]

I don't own one but it looks like it could cause some serious safety issues with training and using the wrong protocol with the wrong rifle, much like raising Bison with Cattle, two totally different handling protocols. Those triggers look fun though.

 

[jward]

I should have read the GUNS/RLTD tag first. I initially thought this was a thread discussing something out of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5).

Thank you for going there: I was gonna, but didn't wanna get sent to my special time out room - but really, it was so nice for it "not" to be about that other stuff!
:: off I go, it was worth it too ::

 

[Dennis Olson]

I don't own one but it looks like it could cause some serious safety issues with training and using the wrong protocol with the wrong rifle, much like raising Bison with Cattle, two totally different handling protocols. Those triggers look fun though.

Not at all. The rifle on which it’s mounted operates perfectly normally in semi-auto. But if you move the selector switch to the third position (yes, there is a third position once installed), you’ll have no doubt what mode you’re in.

When I had my first one installed, I went to the range to “dial it in.” I went through a 30 rd magazine in about 5 seconds. Fun but a real ammo burner.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Agreed. Ordered and on it's way.

Note that the kit contains two different buffer springs, two different hammer springs, and two different trigger springs. There’s a moderate chance that you’ll have to experiment with the different springs to get the correct loadout for the specific gun you mounted it in.

 

[Elza]

Note that the kit contains two different buffer springs, two different hammer springs, and two different trigger springs. There’s a moderate chance that you’ll have to experiment with the different springs to get the correct loadout for the specific gun you mounted it in.

Getting the right combination could prove interesting to say the least. Many thanks for the heads up.

 

[rbt]

Springs aren’t to bad to deal with, the safety has a screw on both sides make sure there snug. Brass catcher will help you’ll burn a lot of ammo.

 

[subnet]

I'm blaming you that have them
Its your fault there is an ammo shortage

 

[Jaybird]

Why would you need one?

 

[Millwright]

Why would you need one?

Suppressive fire.

Turning money into noise.

 

[mistaken1]

Why would you need one?

For the same reason you 'need' an AR15.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcLGRZfX5C0

 

[Dennis Olson]

Why would you need one?

Suppressive fire.

For the same reason you 'need' an AR15.

Why? Jaybird, if you don’t understand why one of these might be necessary, for your own safety NEVER come down off your mountain. This isn’t “the good ol’ days,” when self-defense was against one or two people and could be effected by carrying a single handgun. Pull yourself out of the past man.

 

[Con-tractor]

It is a little disconcerting at first. The more rapidly you move your trigger finger, the easier it is to cope with.

NOTE: Anyone who wants one had better get it before January 20th. It’ll be one of the first things to go.

If they get banned I would think they would do it via the same "actually it's a MG" mechanism that means they can't be grandfathered

 

[Dozdoats]

No, it still only fires one shot per PULL of the trigger. The fact that it fires again upon release of the trigger just provides a legal fig leaf to hide behind in defining it as a machine gun.

 

[Con-tractor]

No, it still only fires one shot per PULL of the trigger. The fact that it fires again upon release of the trigger just provides a legal fig leaf to hide behind in defining it as a machine gun.

Yea just like a bumpstock LOL

or 80% lower but with all the parts

Uh-huh

 

[EMICT]

Banning, in reality, only affects what can be purchased... not what can be used.

 

[Dozdoats]

What part of FIG LEAF do you not understand?

 

[Walrus]

Why would you need one?

Not the most-tactful question to see in the middle of a 2A-related discussion, is my thought, as it's usually the #1 question asked by anti-gun liberals in any firearms "discussion".

General answer: Need - while there are several scenarios in which one would be more than useful and admittedly they're narrow - is not part of the equation. In short, and IMHO only, one doesn't have to need one (or more) in order to have one.

 

[Con-tractor]

Not the most-tactful question to see in the middle of a 2A-related discussion, is my thought, as it's usually the #1 question asked by anti-gun liberals in any firearms "discussion".

General answer: Need - while there are several scenarios in which one would be more than useful and admittedly they're narrow - is not part of the equation. In short, and IMHO only, one doesn't have to need one (or more) in order to have one.

Why do you need a 70" TV? people got along fine with a 26" TV for years

 

[Knighttemplar]

Anyone used the Rare Breed FRT-15 trigger. It looks interesting and is almost full auto?

 

[rbt]

The rare breed FRT is in court there’s one called wide open trigger you tube has video there $349 need lots of ammo, might be better than bianary.

 

[sjhenderson]

I found the following in stock for $389:
Franklin Armory BFSIII AR-C1
Anyone know about these? Good, bad, whatever?

They said it will work in all AR platforms. Does the same trigger fit both AR15 and AR10? I possess a pretty fair knowledge of AR15's but my AR10 knowledge is lacking by comparison.

Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

YouTube Rare Breed Trigger and also go to their page. ATF is on their case about the trigger but ATF has a fight on their hands. If I buy another and I will soon it will be one of the Rare Breeds.

 

[hunybee]

at first, i was like, "binary triggers?! oh for crying out loud! now the binaries have a specific trigger too?! what, are they having meltdowns because someone called them "xe" because they didn't want to assume, but they assumed?? do they need a safe space?! how about ass****?! that is all encompassing and everyone has one! i'll just call you ass****!! how's that?!!"

then i remembered where i was and in about a half a second, i realized this was probably about guns.....

 

[tm1439m]

There is a new trigger out. We got one of the first. My son shot 30 rounds in about 1.5 seconds. Going to do a video soon with it and I will post when available.

Its called "Wide Open Trigger". Its by Big Daddy Unlimited. Ya gotta be a member to purchase one.
Time 1:03

View: https://youtu.be/YhsUQcGBeXg

 

[rbt]

I think I like the WOT better than the bianary. Wide Open Triggers seem to have there own web sit just not much information, says there drop in wonder if buffer springs have to be changed?

 

[tm1439m]

I think I like the WOT better than the bianary. Wide Open Triggers seem to have there own web sit just not much information, says there drop in wonder if buffer springs have to be changed?

You need an H2 or H3 or heavier buffer.

 

[Creedmoor]

WOT looks like fun! Also looks like it works like a bump stock.