USA Qs re: Ebola, Terror, and Economic Collapse

Used Camels

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1. Is not the stated original goal of Islamist terrorists to bring about an economic collapse in the US?

2. In the current tenuous economic environment, wouldn't even a modest Ebola outbreak in the US and subsequent quarantines and travel/supply-line shutdowns cause panic, market collapse and bank holidays?

3. Is the chaotic Ebola disaster in West Africa not the absolute easiest opportunity in history for non-clinicians to acquire such a deadly communicable pathogen (if personal risk is not a consideration)?

4. Do Islamist terrorist groups have a shortage of suicidal fanatics eager to die for the cause?

5. Have the travel options to legally or otherwise enter the US unchecked ever been more wide open to foreigners in modern history?

6. Why aren't these very obvious questions and answers not bringing about serious and urgent public discussion and official actions to attempt to save our nation at this late date?
 

Used Camels

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I didn't want to further extend the list of Qs here in the first post, but also I wonder:

7. Isn't the current instability of the global geopolitical scene also reason to suspect that certain other global powers would see this as a golden opportunity to silently and remotely help topple the weaker-than-ever superpower that stands in their way of accomplishing their own goals?
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
And I would further ask just who is it who has been funding, equipping, and training the islamic terrorists that in turn want to bring about the economic collapse in the U.S.? Round robin and leads right back to our sanctimonious hallowed halls of global finance and government which is curiously enough headquartered in our own nation. Strange bedfellows, eh? Fact of the matter is the economy and finance is going to collapse anyway as the current system can no longer be salvaged. And as many of us have postulated 'they' need something to blame the collapse on. They don't want the people coming after the bankers and politicians with ropes once the sheep figure out that their own so called leaders are the ones that sold them up the creek. Ebola would be the perfect thing to blame the collapse on. They'll say 'Hey, we were in economic recovery, everything was looking good. Who could of possibly seen this [Ebola] coming'?

The only way a defacto martial law scenario will ever work in the country is with the willing participation of most of the population. The numbers simply don't work any other way. There are not enough soldiers, police et al to do the job of locking down a nation of 300 million. Ebola is one of those things that will make the population willing to accept emergency and of course 'temporary' measures to restrict peoples freedoms in order to combat the bug. Of course once we go down the route the emergency will never end. Ebola could cull a lot of the population if it turns out to be a real threat in the U.S. And if not it could still be the vehicle to blame the economic and financial collapse on thereby leaving the politicians and banksters free to move on to the next phase. It's a win-win scenario for them if they can pull it off. And as inept as government is that is a big IF.
 
It's beginning to look as though these are no longer just possibilities.

Keep in Mind the Haj begins now.

BTW I appreciate your restraint in limiting your query to the seven points.


This is going to be an interesting Fall and Winter season.

Ebola

EV68

Flu

Who knows witch is which.

And Who is WHO.

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MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Ebola would be the perfect thing to blame the collapse on. They'll say 'Hey, we were in economic recovery, everything was looking good. Who could of possibly seen this [Ebola] coming'?

O has been telling 'his flock' that we are in an economic recovery, they believe, so they will also believe when he says 'Who could of possibly seen this [Ebola] coming'?'

Amazing how some can't see past their own nose to see how long O's nose has been growing.
 

Used Camels

Inactive
It's beginning to look as though these are no longer just possibilities.

Keep in Mind the Haj begins now.


Agreed, Tom. My hope was to have folks arrive on their own at the conclusion that this Ebola situation is almost certainly going to expand and evolve into a major, major situation. The proverbial dominoes are all in a line.

The pump has been primed. The fear is being stirred up. All it will take now is one or two determined jihadists to strategically leave a trail of infectious fluids or tissue in public places. If and when that occurs, and it is not discovered for days or weeks while the newly infected circulate freely to further the reach of the disease ... well ...
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some things to consider.

Airlines will be shocked as travel diminishes GREATLY. Same for hotels, vacation spots, etc.

The cost of caring for one ebola patient is enormous. Quarantine and biosecure facilities are expensive with large overhead costs.

Risk aversion will include cold or flu symptoms being categorized as potentially hazardous. Isolation means workers staying home.

Schools will be vacated.

Restaurants will be devastated.

Movie theaters, concerts, large public meetings- like ball games... gone.

All we need is a couple more surprise cases to pop up. The shock to the economy will hit the financial system like a sledge hammer to the head.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
On another thread, JohnGaltFla predicted a 40% decline in GDP if they don't get a hold of this by Sunday. And since Bam Bam has declined to implement travel restrictions to/from Africa, it looks like John's prediction may well come to fruition. We shall see . . .
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Some things to consider.

Airlines will be shocked as travel diminishes GREATLY. Same for hotels, vacation spots, etc.

The cost of caring for one ebola patient is enormous. Quarantine and biosecure facilities are expensive with large overhead costs.

Risk aversion will include cold or flu symptoms being categorized as potentially hazardous. Isolation means workers staying home.

Schools will be vacated.

Restaurants will be devastated.

Movie theaters, concerts, large public meetings- like ball games... gone.

All we need is a couple more surprise cases to pop up. The shock to the economy will hit the financial system like a sledge hammer to the head.

That is one of my big fears, that airline travel will diminish greatly and with it hotels, vacation spots etc.

But on the other hand, I have alot of wealthy friends who are total Pollys when it comes to all of this recent Ebola news. They all keep saying, "Well, the experts on the news say that it's not that bad and it's isolated blah blah blah And you can't just stop living your life!" This was just said yesterday by one of my best friends Jo who is headed down to Ca. for a girls trip. Otay Butt-Wheat!

I don't even try to go into all the possibilities/probablitlies with them. All I can assume is that with this set of mentality, I'll end up getting some uber rich family hi'ing off to a place like Kauai to shelter in at my condo. They want to book it for months, have at it! That will be one less worry for me. V
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Fact of the matter is the economy and finance is going to collapse anyway as the current system can no longer be salvaged.


True, but Ebola can be blamed as the "force majeur", and the criminal banksters wouldn't get dragged out en masse and shot.



Gotta have that scapegoat...
 

Used Camels

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VERY good article here: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...a-hits-your-town-you-will-want-be-antifragile

Prepared? When Ebola hits your town you will want to be antifragile.
Submitted by hedgeless_horseman on 10/02/2014 14:38 -0400

Back in July, I was pointing out my concern about air travel
between Africa and Texas.

Then some time passed.

Back on September 8th, thinking about my personal situation, I asked the following questions:

At what point do we implement:
tele-commuting
home schooling
top off the farm tanks
close the gate
no guests
staycation
Do I wait until Ebola cases confirmed in USA?
Do I wait until Ebola cases confirmed in my state?
Do I wait until Ebola cases confirmed in my city?
Do I wait until Ebola cases confirmed in my neighborhood?​

Then some more time passed.

Well, now that Ebola has actually traveled on a plane from Africa to my home state of Texas, thanks to our government's inaction, I can eliminate the first two questions. Let's discuss some practical steps we all might take at this point. For the sake of this article, I will assume that many ZH readers have made at least some zombie-apocalypse preparations, maybe even along the lines of my article from 2012, Fear we are returning to a time in history where it is a common occurrence to fight for one's life?

Item 2

Develop a basic mindset. Here are some ideas. Commit to prepare for zombies, so that currency collapse, EMP, hurricanes, revolution, world war, [edit: Ebola Pandemic] or anything else will seem relatively mild. Understand that the time to make a plan and prepare is before, not after a zombie invasion. Understand that there is no way you can plan or prepare for every contingency, but doing something today goes a long way to peace of mind, and eliminating any regrets should the shit actually hit the fan. Realize that everything is likely to cost more next year, if you can get it, so better to buy it now. Acknowledge that nobody really knows if, what, when, or how anything in the future is going to happen...it is all just speculation. Finally, always remember that, "on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero," so don't get too worked up, or go into debt, just because of this little exercise in paranoia.


One place we do tend to start our preparations is by trying to define the peril, or perils. Today, the obvious one is infection of myself, or family member, by the Ebola virus. But is that really the biggest peril? Maybe a bigger risk, for me, is financial. How might my business be affected by quarantine? Maybe, if someone in my family were dependent on dialysis, then the big peril is a collapse of the healthcare system, like in Liberia. Maybe, if the local grocery clerks decide that they would rather not risk infection for $7.50/hour, the big peril is starvation. Maybe, if others don't have food to eat, and I do, the big peril is looters. Maybe, our current government will never let a good crisis go to waste, and the biggest peril is to our freedom. Maybe, Taleb is correct, and we would all be better off if we stop trying to predict what exactly the Black Swans will be (not likely), when a Black Swan will arrive at our doorstep (less likely), and instead we start trying to be more antifragile, as described in his book of the same name.

Apart from option straddles on airline stocks, and going long MIC leaps, how can I become more antifragile? By thinking about Ebola arriving in my home state, I may have discovered that it isn't as difficult as it sounds, although becoming antifragile is not something that we can do in a hurry.

Sure, over the last month, I topped off the propane and diesel tanks on the farm. Why? First, it is easy, because I already have the tanks, and I already have an account with the suppliers, so all I had to do was make a couple of phone calls. Second, if our prayers for the best work out, then I am not out anything, because I will use the fuel over time. Third, if delivery drivers start thinking twice before going to work, and gas stations start closing down for lack of fuel, I will have options, and will not be put into the perilous situation of searching for fuel and waiting in lines to get a little. Taleb doesn't say this, exactly, but my interpretation is that being antifragile is mostly about having options when shit goes down in unexpected ways, as it always does. As an aside, what can you do if you don't have a farm or farm tanks? You could seek advice from the fuel can oracle.

I admit that I also made sure we have plenty of examination gloves, masks, gowns, rubber boots, and decontamination supplies. But does that make me more or less antifragile? Would I really benefit from having these things if Ebola cases started popping up in our school district? We do not have the inventory to sell these supplies, and if we did, I would just give them away, rather than profit from others misery. I guess it comes down to one's definition of benefit, and interpretation of antifragile.

In reality, I feel that most of the actions I can take to be more antifragile are long-term lifestyle actions, habits, not quick fixes or purchases in a panic. For example, as you all know, we live on a small farm where we grow healthy food for our family. We exercise regularly, and are not on any medications. We take our personal defense seriously. We take some responsibility for our children's education. We work on strengthening our relationships with each other. We seek to remove the middlemen from our lives through disintermediation. I believe that these are some practical ways to be more antifragile, although Taleb might disagree with me on several accounts, and so may you, dear reader, in the comments below.

Have we pulled the kids from school, closed the farm gates, and started an extended staycation because there is an African Ebola patient in Dallas? No. Have we stopped eating out at restaurants, traveling in airplanes or any public transportation, and consuming sugar in amounts that weaken our immune systems? Yes.

Peace be with you!

h_h
 

Used Camels

Inactive
"Antifragile" from The Black Swan author Nassim Nicholas Taleb:
"Some things benefit from shocks; they thrive and grow when exposed to volatility, randomness, disorder, and stressors and love adventure, risk, and uncertainty. Yet, in spite of the ubiquity of the phenomenon, there is no word for the exact opposite of fragile. Let us call it antifragile. Antifragility is beyond resilience or robustness. The resilient resists shocks and stays the same; the antifragile gets better."
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Fact of the matter is the economy and finance is going to collapse anyway as the current system can no longer be salvaged.


True, but Ebola can be blamed as the "force majeur", and the criminal banksters wouldn't get dragged out en masse and shot.



Gotta have that scapegoat...

^^^ THIS ^^^

Plus much worse. Consider this:

If the market and economy were in fact being set up for a "planned" 10-20% correction, which is relatively normal that is one thing. HOWEVER, the wild card of an Ebola outbreak (which I now think may have another explanation behind it as another disease has been imported) could in fact reduce annual GDP from $15-$16 trillion to well below $10 trillion in less than 6 months. The primary industries impacted have been listed over and over again, but it is far worse than anyone can imagine.

IF we see 20% of the population exposed to this disease the corresponding decline in economic activity will make 9/11 look like a Girl Scout cookie sale. NOBODY will go out, buy anything or travel. NOBODY (with a brain I might add) will leave their homes unless necessary or unless they are terminally suicidal or stupid (aka, Obama voters).

We are talking about reducing American economic activity to pre-1979 levels and that should terrify any sane person; because with that decline the entire credit and banking system fails.
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Don't forget the jihadis in this scenario. And the average 11,000 Americans that participate in the hajj annually.

It sure looks like all these things are feeding off of and fueling each other. I heard something the other day - that health insurance for ebola requires an added rider. Wonder if that's even an option under Obamacare?
 

West

Senior
Don't forget the jihadis in this scenario. And the average 11,000 Americans that participate in the hajj annually.

It sure looks like all these things are feeding off of and fueling each other. I heard something the other day - that health insurance for ebola requires an added rider. Wonder if that's even an option under Obamacare?

Yeah, It's called Obolmacare. Just come to this Fema camp and take a shower......
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
^^^ THIS ^^^

Plus much worse. Consider this:

If the market and economy were in fact being set up for a "planned" 10-20% correction, which is relatively normal that is one thing. HOWEVER, the wild card of an Ebola outbreak (which I now think may have another explanation behind it as another disease has been imported) could in fact reduce annual GDP from $15-$16 trillion to well below $10 trillion in less than 6 months. The primary industries impacted have been listed over and over again, but it is far worse than anyone can imagine.

IF we see 20% of the population exposed to this disease the corresponding decline in economic activity will make 9/11 look like a Girl Scout cookie sale. NOBODY will go out, buy anything or travel. NOBODY (with a brain I might add) will leave their homes unless necessary or unless they are terminally suicidal or stupid (aka, Obama voters).

We are talking about reducing American economic activity to pre-1979 levels and that should terrify any sane person; because with that decline the entire credit and banking system fails.

^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
And this *could be* accompanied by the collapse of the federal government.
 

LightEcho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Want to make some speculative money? If you are a gambler, short stocks for......

Cruise companies, Carnival (CCL), Royal Caribbean (RCL) and Norwegian (NCLH)

Think about the very worst place to be during an outbreak of a deadly contagious disease. Cities are bad enough, but you can escape from a city. How about on a cruise ship with a virtual city of other people out at sea? You cannot leave that over-crowded hell hole. This is one industry that is going down.
 
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