[Prep] Lessons learned from hurricane

Stephen

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Baywater Ross posted a great narrative about his lessons learned from his hurricane bug-out. I wanted to start this thread as a general place to note lessons learned from any aspect of dealing with Hurricane Charlie - either specific to hurricanes or general preps.

1) I'm going to buy a 12-volt electric fan and a reasonably-sized deep cycle battery to power it. When the air conditioning is off, a fan can sure make sleeping a lot easier and a lot more pleasant.

2) I'm going to see about getting one of those small battery-powered LCD display TVs. Having something major going on and not being able to get info is pretty frustrating. I don't watch TV normally, so I didn't even have a set of "rabbit ears" to connect up to the TV to watch the news. Radio is fine, but there's nothing like TV to see maps and radar images. Internet went down for me when the power went off (it also took down the cable that is my Internet access.

3) I'm adding a list of exactly what battery-powered devices I have, what size, and how many batteries they use. I had forgotten about my Coleman camp latern (uses 2 flourescent tubes) and the D-cells to power it. That's all I have that uses D cells, and I didn't have a spare set. Fortunately, what I had did just fine, but I need to have at least one spare set. That battery powered lantern was incredibly useful.

4) I'm going to install a transfer switch for my generator. Keeping the door cracked to run a cable inside also allowed the fumes to slowly seep in. Not very pleasant and potentially hazardous. It also made it impossible to secure the house without dismanteling the setup. (The generator itself is secure, since I have it locked to a bolt in the floor.)

5) I need to get a cheap phone that doesn't depend on electricity to work. My only phone here is my office phone - a conference phone that is an expensive door stop without electricity. I had to borrow one from my sister in order to have any comms.

6) Cell phones are NOT a dependable means of communicating when something like this is going on. The tower nearest to me simply went dead. If I drove around to where I could reach a working tower, the calls would not go through (usually - I was able to get through once).

7) I need to check and work on my HF antenna for my ham radio station. It works find during good weather, but with the rain and wind, a problem appeared somewhere in the coax line resulting in major changes in reception (and I assume, transmission).

8) That generator that I bought for Y2K just paid for itself many times over. It worked like a charm. Started on the first pull, and kept the freezer and refrigerator running, and kept the well pumping water. If you think a generator might come in handy some time - get one. Get a good one (can't beat a Honda!), and (very important) either keep it filled with fuel treated with a top-quality stabilizer like PRI-G, and run it at least once a month - OR - store it completely dry (drain the tank, carb, and crank it several times to make sure it's dry). Failure to store it properly will mean it won't work when you need it most. Mine has almost always started on the first pull, even after not being run in over a year. My brother made the mistake of thinking that simply keeping it filled with stabilized fuel was enough. His did not run until he took the carb and other parts apart and did a thorough cleaning. He will be storing his dry from now on.

9) I keep a nice zippered leather organizer just for prep information. That has really proven to be well worth the effort. In one well-organized half-sheet-sized notebook, I've got all the vital info I need at my fingertips. These past two days have given me more things to add to and change in that ever-changing organizer.

10) If you have a generator and a well, and you have neighbors who don't, be sure to have a double female connector for a standard 3/4" garden hose fitting. I was able to run a hose directly from my water spigot to my neighbor's water spigot (using the double female connector). The water from my house then fed directly into his house, giving him running water. Make sure the neighbor does not have an anti-backflow device though - that would prevent this from working.

11) Always, always, always, use a good fuel stabilizer for any fuel you store. I've been using PRI-G for years, and it's worked great for me. Also, make sure that any fuel you store is kept in a shed well away from your house.

That's all I can think of at the moment. Please add your own notes and lessons learned!
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I'm glad that you came through okay, Stephen.

I've read BayWater Ross's thread and Day Late's.

A couple of things struck me:

1) No one mentioned actually having to deal with looters. Probably good to have a policy in place -- think through what you're going to do before you deal with them. Not a major problem for you, Stephen, since you're rural.

2) Hams could take advantage of "field day" and be prepared to operate with minimal equipment. I keep a dipole antenna in with my gear. That would be useful if the main antenna went down or if I was sudden operating from the field.

3) Batteries -- some folks have a rule such as "all equipment uses AA batteries" and get rid of anything that takes other sizes. That cuts down on confusion and stocking batteries (so they claim). All my stuff is either AA or DD. My big lanterns use DD. I need those.

Just a few quick thoughts . . .
 

Ought Six

Membership Revoked
The number one prep lesson from this storm is: DO NOT BUY A TRAILER HOME IN A HURRICANE ZONE! (duh!)
 

macten_1

Inactive
A couple of thoughts on that generator. I keep a can of starting fluid handy for when it won't start. One squirt in the air intake and it fires right up.

Instead of keeping a door cracked open for the extension cord, I drilled a small hole through the wall close to the floor. The generator is in a screened in porch on the other side of that wall. I put two 14 guage extension cords through the hole and pushed in some closed cell foam to keep the cold air out. One cord goes to the fridge and the other for tv, lights, a fan etc.
 

Stephen

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The looting issue did come up - at least in thought. There was a guy walking along the dirt road that I live on who I had never seen before (big tatoos on both arms), and the thought of looters came to mind as I had to leave. He had seen (or rather heard) my generator running. I was armed (as I always am), and gave some thought to what I would do if I caught him on my property when I got back.

Another thing that worked well for me - my sister recommended that I turn the air conditioner down very low the day before it hit. The house was cooled off enough when we got back that it was reasonably comfortable for quite a while. The fact that the day after was also rainey and overcast helped a lot. My brother went down to Miami to help a friend right after Andrew went through. His most vivid recollection is pulling his cot out in the front yard just praying for a little breeze (another vote in favor of a little 12 volt fan).

On generators - I talked with a guy at church this morning who is a retired Daytona Beach cop. He said he had gone on several calls where he would bang on the door and get no answer, then go into the garage. There would be a generator that had run out of gas. Inside would be one or more people dead from carbon monoxide poisoning. I WILL get a transfer switch and locate the generator outside before I use it again.

Another point on generators - I had forgotten about the importance of running the generator at regular intervals - for the GENERATOR and not the motor. Apparently, having the generator sit in the same position for a long time has a bad effect on the generator itself. I will now keep it with stabilized fuel in the tank and run it at least once a month.

Finally - a great big SALUTE AND THANK YOU to all of the folks who fix the power lines and clean up the downed trees! Those guys are the real unsung heros of this thing. I will never again complain about anything that the power company does. Those guys are number one in my book!!
 

Delphinus

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I'll add a tip I read on another site while following the hurricane:

To protect your important papers, put them in a plastic bag or tub inside your dishwasher and lock it. Dishwasher has waterproof seal and would protect what's inside from all the but the most servere flooding.
 

dcamp2002

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Living a block and a half from the ocean and having gone through 5 or six hurricanes in the last 11 years, I've learned the first thing you may need after it passes is a good chain saw, complete with gas and oil. You may need to cut your way out unto the street.

The eye of Charlie passed through here yesterday but we had minimal damage. There were some trees down in the area but we weren't affected this time.

David
 

Stephen

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dcamp2002 said:
...a good chain saw, complete with gas and oil. You may need to cut your way out unto the street...
Good point, David!
After the storm, I put my chainsaw, fuel, chain oil, and protective gear in the back before I headed out to check on family. I've never been trapped in my own place, but I've been blocked from getting to family before.

When I went out, I had decided that any trees across the road that I came across, I would stop and cut them up enough to clear the road before I continued. When I came across one, I quickly decided against it. The tree held a bee's nest, and there was a giant swarm of very angry bees all around that tree. I'll do chain sawing, but I don't do bees!
:sht:

Edited to add - Forgot to mention that the same things I said about generators apply to chainsaws. Either store them dry, or crank them up regularly if you want them to work when you really need them! I store mine dry. (You can keep the bar oil in there all the time - it's the fuel that causes the problems.)
 

A.T.Hagan

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A chainsaw with extra consumables is a good idea, but more important still in advance of the need is to <i>learn how to use it properly!</i>

Chainsaw accidents are one of the most common presentations in emergency rooms after hurricanes. You really don't want to do serious injury to yourself after a hurricane has leveled your neighborhood. If you're going to buy a chainsaw do it <i>before</i> the hurricane and learn to use it <i>properly</i> when you do.

Another good idea is to have a collection of plastic tarps and plastic sheeting, lath wood, nails and a staple gun with heavy staples. If you get windows blown out, holes in the roof, etc., you'll want to be able to seal the openings to keep further rain out and limit whatever damage may have occurred.

.....Alan.
 

Leela

Veteran Member
Having a chain saw is a good idea, but be sure you know how to use one. It's not as simple as just cutting into something. Downed trees (and standing) need to be approached with caution. They can spring out at you from pressure/flex points while you're cutting them and hurl the chainsaw towards your body. :shkr: We have one, but got a good lesson from an experienced tree trimmer before DH actually tried using it.
 

north runner

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Its always good to have an extra spark plug on hand. I keep thinking about getting a chainsaw with a 2 foot bar with some real HP. The trouble is those kinds of trees with 3 foot diameters are beyond my ability to handle. So instead I'm planning to add a 10 or 12 lb winch to my trucks's front end. Let someone else do the chainsawing :)
 

New Freedom

Veteran Member
Heard this on CNN yesterday.......two of the things that the residents who lost their homes wanted right away were handi-wipes and charcoal!!! Had no way to wash their hands and needed a way to warm up some of their canned goods.

Interesting and simple request.......
think I might stock up on some handi-wipes......
 

Ravekid

Veteran Member
A.T.Hagan said:
A chainsaw with extra consumables is a good idea, but more important still in advance of the need is to <i>learn how to use it properly!</i>

Chainsaw accidents are one of the most common presentations in emergency rooms after hurricanes. You really don't want to do serious injury to yourself after a hurricane has leveled your neighborhood. If you're going to buy a chainsaw do it <i>before</i> the hurricane and learn to use it <i>properly</i> when you do.

Another good idea is to have a collection of plastic tarps and plastic sheeting, lath wood, nails and a staple gun with heavy staples. If you get windows blown out, holes in the roof, etc., you'll want to be able to seal the openings to keep further rain out and limit whatever damage may have occurred.

.....Alan.

While not in a hurricane zone, I do need a chainsaw cause we do have tornados. Just today I purchased full face and head gear as well as gloves and Kevlar chaps. The total was only like $160 delivered. They were out of chainsaw jamming boot covers. I plan on looking for some cheap, but decent steel toe boots before I start sawing away. Just got my ax and wedge yesterday from Home Depot. It is so nice being able to buy tools, beats the $100/month or so I use to waste going to see movies. Only have a few more items to buy and I should be good to go.
 

macten_1

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<Just today I purchased full face and head gear as well as gloves and Kevlar chaps. The total was only like $160 delivered. They were out of chainsaw jamming boot covers. I plan on looking for some cheap, but decent steel toe boots before I start sawing away.>

Real good insurance if you ask me.

On the generator....not everyone needs a large genny and a transfer switch. I use a 1.8KW genny with extension cords through the wall. I've been very comfortable in every power outage since I bought it in 1999.....
 

fruit loop

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Experiences from Hurricane Floyd

Hurricane Floyd was my first real test as a prepper, back in 1999. We had everything we needed; all we did was fill up the spare gas tanks for the generators, and top off the car gas tanks.

What Worked:
I'm really glad I bought the battery-powered tv. While the wind was howling and it was too dark to see what was happening outside, I could still pick up the local radio station and see other people. Very reassuring, and they DID have live footage of what was happening around the state. Much better than radio.

The Coleman battery lanterns. These put out much more light than the oil lamps and didn't heat the house up.

The solar oven. We had a nice hot dinner.

We had plenty of water....in fact, didn't even use most of it.

Generator: We plugged the refrigerator and the pumps for the fish tank into it. We didn't lose any food, always had cold drinks, the tropical fish survived.

The tent. We pitched it in the front yard because the house got too hot. This allowed us to still stay on our property but got us out of that oven.


What Didn't Work, or What Went Wrong:
Generator was really, really loud. We had it on our screened-in porch and the noise was a drag. We unplugged it at night and periodically during the day because it was so annoying.

Hypothermia. Although it was humid and warm, I got soaked helping make minor repairs to the screened in porch and roof. I got really chilled despite the warm day. Not good. Be careful to stay dry.

"Are you okay" phone calls. I had given an emergency list of numbers and a phone card to a friend out of state, and used the cellular to call her to tell her we were okay. She called everyone on the list, but friends STILL wanted "to be sure" and overloaded my voice mail. I have since politely asked them not to do this as I need voice mail for EMERGENCY messages ONLY until phone service is restored. (I keep the phone off to save the battery)
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
my angle on batteries

the mention from meemur,,,

3) Batteries -- some folks have a rule such as "all equipment uses AA batteries" and get rid of anything that takes other sizes. That cuts down on confusion and stocking batteries (so they claim). All my stuff is either AA or DD. My big lanterns use DD. I need those.

the above, totally agree with, , and, for me, I looked at basing everying off 12v batteries which are everywhere, alot of things have 12v plug ins, get the adapters for going from 12v to what ever you need ,radioshack has converters,,,,,might check into this for your applications,,,, ;)
 

idelphic

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fruit loop said:
"Are you okay" phone calls. I had given an emergency list of numbers and a phone card to a friend out of state, and used the cellular to call her to tell her we were okay. She called everyone on the list, but friends STILL wanted "to be sure" and overloaded my voice mail. I have since politely asked them not to do this as I need voice mail for EMERGENCY messages ONLY until phone service is restored. (I keep the phone off to save the battery)

I think this is a good thread to have come back around. I wasn't a member when it was first started, but has good information.

Fruit Loop - One possible suggestion would be to change your voice mail to reflect your status. If all ok, just change message that all is fine. Be sure to include the date and time, so to keep people current. Otherwise wonderful idea to have someone out of the area that has contact information. One could do this also with encrypted personal information as a back up.

Thanks for the bump forward...
 

cooter

cantankerous old coot
while on the topic of chainsaws,,

thing to remember even with the protective gear,,,,you can still get hurt while not as bad, bad things can still happen,,,,,

best advice on saws,,,,,dont get in a hurry,,,,and focus of attention, especially on cutting storm downed trees,,which a good many are no more than a big conabear trap ready to snap shut on you, if you cut the wrong limb,,,,also pain is powerful teacher, :lol: especially when you get your arse knocked back by a limb you thought had no tension on it,,,,

also on storm damaged stuff,,,,make sure you have a second operator, and saw,,,incase you, or the saw get caught up in the big conabear :shkr: :p

also keep your chain sharp, a dull chain , will get you in trouble . just like a dull knife, also keep one of them plastic wedges with you to tap in the top of your cut when you are half way though, so you dont wedge your bar in a log,and a small bottle jack is worth its wieght in gold keeping your log off the ground..

if you pay attention, and think about what you are cutting , where your feet and legs are at all times,,,,you should have safe sawing for a long time,,,,,

good luck ;)
 

atlantajack

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cooter said:
thing to remember even with the protective gear,,,,you can still get hurt while not as bad, bad things can still happen,,,,,

best advice on saws,,,,,dont get in a hurry,,,,and focus of attention, especially on cutting storm downed trees,,which a good many are no more than a big conabear trap ready to snap shut on you, if you cut the wrong limb,,,,also pain is powerful teacher, :lol: especially when you get your arse knocked back by a limb you thought had no tension on it,,,,

also on storm damaged stuff,,,,make sure you have a second operator, and saw,,,incase you, or the saw get caught up in the big conabear :shkr: :p

also keep your chain sharp, a dull chain , will get you in trouble . just like a dull knife, also keep one of them plastic wedges with you to tap in the top of your cut when you are half way though, so you dont wedge your bar in a log,and a small bottle jack is worth its wieght in gold keeping your log off the ground..

if you pay attention, and think about what you are cutting , where your feet and legs are at all times,,,,you should have safe sawing for a long time,,,,,

good luck ;)

Cooter-
Good advice! Also step back often to take a look at what you are attempting and to take a break. As you get tired it is easier to make stupid mistakes!
Jack ;)
 

Lei

Veteran Member
CB's

Hand held CB radios that can recharge from your cars cigarette lighter.
They are for sale on Ebay . Get one for yourself and one for nearby relatives,
When phones don't work maybe CB's will.
 

cryhavoc

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What I learned...

...that I am completely "on my own" in the event of a disaster.

And I do mean completely. Which, as it turns out, shed some light on where the heretofore unforeseen holes were in some of my prepping. I tried to imagine my life for 14 to 30 days without any outside help(or, insert 'interference') or assistance.

Boy, did I get a wake-up call.....fortunately not the hard way.

cryhavoc

Never, EVER become a REFUGEE. PERIOD>
 
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